Way to go. You accomplished in two days what I've only been able to accomplish in two weeks. And, your only extra trip to the parts store was for a thermostat. I always need three or four trips! I also learned that you've got to find "that guy" at the parts store who listens to you, has "been there", and doesn't immediately go to the computer to look up make, model, year, color, serial number, etc. before trying to find the part. "That guy" will even let you walk back into the parts racks with him to help research and then keep you back there for a half hour talking 265 vs 283 vs 301 vs 307 vs 327 vs 350 and even vs 400!! 18436572 forever.
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
Everyone at the parts stores around here are nothing more than cashiers that understand how to interface with a computer. I used to have a young guy at the local AutoZone that had a 68 Cougar as his daily driver - totally old school. But, no more.
@flyer61513 сағат бұрын
Another great episode, Bill. I'm totally with you on keeping the 307. If it's working, don't mess with it. Did you know that 1956 was the only year that Chevrolet painted their engine blocks red? I'm going to go with the red on my '56, even though my current plan is for a 327 (the original 265 is still in my car, currently). I think it will break up the black and white (original colors) like I want. Keeping my fingers crossed that you are able to get ready for Cruisin' the Coast. Endeavor to persevere, buddy. Ken
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
Thanks! Everyone is going to have an opinion, but I'm the one in the garage in front of this dilemma. The wallet and calendar do have a say in some things.
@JP-zc9kw14 сағат бұрын
They committed blasphemy when they put an electric motor in Project X. Sorry Sir, please continue with another awesome video!
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
That car has a really sad story. I don't know what they were thinking when they erased everything that it was.
@bad66chevelles14 сағат бұрын
Title is misleading. That's definitely not a vortec. You should used the vortec shortblock with those trickflow heads you would have waaaayy more power. Smh 🙄. The big block is what you truly need if you want real power an torque. You really should seriously consider running a REAL vortec. You need a roller camshaft now days. The factory roller camshaft design is much better an cheaper then the junk retrofit low quality Chinese parts are. An wow 🤔 remove good flowing trickflow heads an upgrade to turd smog era heads makes sense 👌
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
You're absolutely correct in that every other choice would provide more power. But, I had to weigh everything here: time, money, being practical, etc. I don't know the condition of that Gen 2 motor that's on the floor. I assume it has a roller cam. Starting with another Gen 1 350 would be $5000 just for the short block if I were to do it right. And if that Gen 2 needs to be bored, that's also $5000. Add $1500 for the heads. Either of those options cause me to miss Cruisin' the Coast, which is in 8 weeks. I did say that the Vortec was Plan B. Let me get Christine rolling, and then I can maybe dive into that motor and make an upgrade when the time is right.
@bad66chevelles13 сағат бұрын
@@RestoringChristine1956 $5,000? I got a running vortec 350 with factory roller camshaft for $1,100 shipped from Minnesota I just freshed it up an threw it in. Personally if I'ma invest money an take the time to go to a machine shop I learned long time ago it better be something truly worth it. Nothing against a small block but I'm not gonna put a lot money in a small block other then to freshen it up I'll put my money in a 454 over a small block
@johncornell366514 сағат бұрын
Cant wait to hear it run. Great episode. Thanks Bill!
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
Thanks! I'm already catching flack on the decision, but it's what makes the most sense given time, money and reason.
@johncornell366513 сағат бұрын
@@RestoringChristine1956 its your car. I dont understand why people need to be negative. Just watch and enjoy. Its not like you have to put content on here, right? I think it will run strong. Doesnt need to smoke the tires for a block!
@jonathanharrison100914 сағат бұрын
The difference concerning the 307, was it had less nickel in the block than the other engines. The large journal crank shares the same as in the 327 with the large journal crank. In effect, take a 350 block and use the 307 crank, 327 rods and piston....home built 327.
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
Thanks for the confidence. I've read up on various boards and one thing that they claim is that the 307 had weaker metal in the cams, causing premature lobe wear. Other than that, the common thread was that it was never offered in a performance application.
@DougScriver13 сағат бұрын
Good stuff
@jonathanharrison100912 сағат бұрын
@@RestoringChristine1956 I remember this as it was my first engine build. I have preferred function over a a super hot motor. Small cam and 4bbl was all I needed. 307's were pretty decent engines.
@myoneblackfriend31513 күн бұрын
I may have seen the same DIY video.
@dantomchik14714 күн бұрын
Awesome !!!
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
Thanks, and the Mickey Thompson RWL tires look great on them!
@dantomchik14714 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video...going to run new brake and fuel lines on my '57 Chevy !!!
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
Good luck!
@user-dq3pw7im5x4 күн бұрын
I'm from Oz, your idea is brilliant. 👍💯%✔️ had similar idea but yours tops it. Just need to check with my existing floor jack.
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
It was the best free tool I've ever made!
@RMINTZELL6 күн бұрын
You have a great disposition
@RestoringChristine19566 күн бұрын
Thanks! All of my frustration is usually off camera so everyone here sees the filtered me! LOL!
@typowers1018 күн бұрын
Love the video man!
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate it!
@lzipmann8 күн бұрын
Bill, everyone is providing their advice and, while none of it is "wrong", some ideas are better than others. Only you know Christine and you've made every right decision so far. I know you'll make a great one this time.
@Crooked24559 күн бұрын
Did u paint the back sides black
@RestoringChristine19569 күн бұрын
@@Crooked2455 No, silver on both sides. If they were black from the factory, that wasn't important to me on this restoration.
@oacumulador9 күн бұрын
Great
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
👌
@johncornell36659 күн бұрын
Cant beat rallye wheels. They look great, thanks Bill!
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
You should see them with the new tires!
@johncornell366513 сағат бұрын
@@RestoringChristine1956 yes I bet, will be a sharp car!
@raymondantonio41459 күн бұрын
Nice job Bill, like the rally’s on a tri-five, going to look great!
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
I think so too. I considered switching to something else, but she's a period hot rod and they're authentic!
@joewolf44839 күн бұрын
looks great ...
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
Thanks!
@rustyrodgarage26869 күн бұрын
I had the exact situation as this in my 57.i sold the 307.bought a 350 4 bolt main block and put good heads,flat top piston and a good cam.costs the same to build a 350 as a 307 but get more cubes.
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
You're right. If I was starting with a block that needed work, shoot I'd probably be looking for a 400. Machine work, pistons and bearings all cost the same no matter which you start with.
@oacumulador10 күн бұрын
Keep the great job 👍
@RestoringChristine19569 күн бұрын
I've got a plan... let's just see how it plays out!
@dave315610 күн бұрын
Wow what a shock to find that out after all this time! Sounds like a good excuse for a big block. Thx
@RestoringChristine19569 күн бұрын
Nah, we're not going to go that far. The solution is mostly in the garage already. Stay tuned!
@CrazyWillie0110 күн бұрын
Can’t wait to see what you do
@RestoringChristine19569 күн бұрын
I've figured it out... stay tuned!
@CrazyWillie0110 күн бұрын
Hi Billgreat job
@RestoringChristine19569 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@jamesglass36710 күн бұрын
Boy I sure hope you go with the 350 love your show I have been watching oh about 9 months now and really like it hope your decision is 350 will be watching no matter what enjoying the show oh did you make a show on your cutlass I had a 1970 cutlass rallye fun car
@RestoringChristine19569 күн бұрын
We will see! I've got a plan... stay tuned!
@classiccarrebuilds277110 күн бұрын
The devils in the detail 👍👍👍
@RestoringChristine19569 күн бұрын
I have four Corvette rally center caps to do... hopefully that goes as easily!
@route66restoration10 күн бұрын
Bill I would put 305 HO heads they worked great on my 377 in my late model stock car
@RestoringChristine195610 күн бұрын
(Shhhh....)
@DougScriver10 күн бұрын
Wow that was interesting
@RestoringChristine19569 күн бұрын
I'm telling you, I was shocked!
@richardreise992810 күн бұрын
Motor looks good! There ain’t nothing wrong with a 307. I’m just an old man with an opinion. I’m not a scientist and I don’t play one on TV, LOL,but I think that crust in the water passage is rust and calcium. I would suggest never use only water in the cooling system, but use antifreeze coolant with distilled water!
@RestoringChristine19569 күн бұрын
Most of that build-up was at the back of the head where there is no crossover within the manifold. It's a dead end. I've looked more closely and it's not nearly as bad as that looked.
@markfurry280710 күн бұрын
I know what you’re thinking / about the “heart - sole” philosophy idea, but my gut tells me you should go a different route. Put your Trick Flows on the Vortec 350! Christine deserves it. Added bonus is that is a one piece rear main seal and a roller cam engine. You will still have the vintage look using the Trick Flows. If you put that 307 back in the thought will haunt you forever? Brings back a conversation I had with my dad back in my high school days (early 90’s) I considered putting a 305 in my 71 Impala cause it was running engine “but” I had a 400 short block that needed attention and would take time to earn the money to get it ready. I can still hear my dads words to this day “well do you want a little tool or a big tool your pants…no replacement for displacement” 😂 ok dad I hear you 😂. So I worked as many hours as I could (Wendy’s at the time) and built the 400. NO REGRETS, dad was right. Great video Bill! The drama look on your face when the discovery was made was priceless. We all have been there. Whatever you decide, she will be awesome.
@RestoringChristine19569 күн бұрын
I've got a plan... just need to wait for an upcoming episode to clue everyone else in!
@johncox987610 күн бұрын
Bill if remember 307 came out in late 60's till mid 70's. GM put engine in every thing my dad had a 71 Suburban with that engine. Sorry it not what you thought it was...
@RestoringChristine19569 күн бұрын
I did find out that the last three letters on the code that's stamped on the front indicate that its a 307 and the first few numbers are a date code, which points to 1971.
@79tazman11 күн бұрын
If I was you I would use the vortec engine it's all around better with roller cam better everything and it's a 350 a great engine for a old tri 5 chevy way better then a under 200hp boat anchor. If I was you I would be using the 350 plus it's a vortc you can't go wrong
@reijerlincoln11 күн бұрын
Man that sucks. Either run it as it is or get another engine. Whichever makes you happy and fits the budget.
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
The budget and calendar weighed heavily on this decision.
@79tazman11 күн бұрын
it's a 1969-72 307 cu in with 130-200 hp not a desirable block a 010 350 would of been better then that even a 327 but a 307 is the early day 305 the bottom of the barrel engines that everyone uses as boat anchor lol.
@RestoringChristine19569 күн бұрын
Yep, the code on the front of the block is in pieces and indicates a 307 built in 1971.
@Ed.Barajas11 күн бұрын
Put the vortec 350, there good blocks “roller cam” but get rid of those vortec heads and install your camel humps. I purchased 2 Vortecs for my 64 impalas and they both had cracked heads gonna install those trick flow camel humps
@RestoringChristine19569 күн бұрын
I'm not sure if this one has a roller in it, but I think that it does. I believe its a 2001 block and the guy that had it before me claimed to have put a cam in it.
@Ed.Barajas9 күн бұрын
@@RestoringChristine1956 if it has the 880 stamped on block it should be roller
@user-yp8ky8us3s11 күн бұрын
That’s a Boat anchor just find a freaking roller block, and do it the right way one time and one time only.
@dotell335911 күн бұрын
With all the fantastic work done to your car I would get a different motor.
@RestoringChristine19569 күн бұрын
The solution has to come from what I already have in the garage. I have 8 weeks to get Christine rolling for Cruisin' the Coast so I'm working on it!
@bigblockkings103111 күн бұрын
Well heck Bill it too bad the engine wasn't what you thought it was. Personally if it ran good I'd clean up the block throw in new bearing and rings and call it good. Maybe a better set of factory heads. I had a 307 in a Camaro. It ran good enough for me but it's Your engine so go with what you want. Enjoyed this video.
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
You're close! That's almost exactly what I did!
@torekristoffersen17611 күн бұрын
Get a 350 block (they are still very plentiful) and build a 383 stroker- great engine
@RestoringChristine19569 күн бұрын
I've always been intrigued by the 383 stroker since the 80s, but that's a lot of work to go from nothing to everything with where I'm at right now.
@jasonhaney431911 күн бұрын
307 is a 283 block with 327 crank i never had any luck with 307 now 283 was a screamer and 327 was a screamer your heads willl not work the bore is too small if you was around tocoaa GA i would hook you up with lil sbc. Now that vortec would be sweet like you was talking about doing you will get good power out of the vortec and the trick flow heads you got are good heads we built a few motors with them and thay run really good we build all type of engines mainly dirt track motors jr headen custom race engines tocoa GA
@RestoringChristine19569 күн бұрын
Right, the Trick Flows have huge valves and need at least 4.0" bore to clear. And I appreciate the offers!
@joewolf448311 күн бұрын
Surprise ... surprise ... surprise ... sounds like the good ole days when we all got snookered at one time or another ... what ever you go with just make it so it doesn't overheat ... also I think all of us tri-five guys had a Sun tack like that in our cars ... sole search ...
@MagaRickn11 күн бұрын
I feel your pain! Sure kind of a disappointment. I always thought 307's were truck motors in the old days. Generally 2 barrel carbs. It's a reliable engine, but that is about it! You have worked so hard, and been so meticulous every step of the way, don't give up now! You have 2 good engines there, and I'm sure you will have other projects. Put a nice new motor in Christine, she deserves it!! :) Maybe do some horse trading?? There are thousands of 350's out there, and lots of parts available. Would your new heads fit a 350?? Did not catch what heads you bought. Your project just got even more interesting!! ;)
@RestoringChristine19569 күн бұрын
Well, the answer is inside that garage, plus or minus. I've got a plan... stay tuned!
@DavidMueller-kp7sy11 күн бұрын
I was facing a similar situation on my 55. I bought a motor and was told it was a 350 and it actually was a 327. I went with it and when asked at shows, I was thrilled to tell them it was a 1968 327. Sounded more vintage to me. By the way, it ran great and was very strong. Sadly I sold the car 20 years ago. I had 2 beautiful daughters getting married.......a matter of priorities. No regrets.
@RestoringChristine19569 күн бұрын
There is just something about saying "three-twenty-seven" that sounds cool! Remember, Hot Rod's Project X 1957 had a 283. Coolest scene ever in Hollywood Knights when they were drag racing it against that Cobra. If you look closely, you can see smoke come out over the car with the hood off. I'm pretty sure they hurt the motor in that scene!
@bradreeves753411 күн бұрын
The number on the front will help tell you what it is.
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
Turns out the numbers are a date code and the three letters at the end point to a 307 block.
@shihangodan511 күн бұрын
All the time in days you put into working on a vehicle and making it look the way it looks you should put a new motor in there and put something really nice.
@stevemason685011 күн бұрын
Build a 350.Machine work costs the same,and you end up with a bigger engine.Convert to roller cam.First time you fire it you have no worry of lobe failure.
@johnkelly694211 күн бұрын
It just never seems to end on these old cars. I guess you felt it was OK when you thought it was a 350, why not just put it back in?
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
That's very close to where I ended up. $500 for a set of good factory heads with a little bit of port work on my part and that's where we landed.
@davidsolloway934911 күн бұрын
like 7 !
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
👍
@johndillinger848211 күн бұрын
any grit over 600 is a waste of time,the bufing compound does all the work after that
@RestoringChristine195613 сағат бұрын
I've found that 1500 is near the edge of any return on labor. The bigger part is to be sure to cut out all the courser scratches when you do get to that point.
@johncornell366516 күн бұрын
Thanks for update, Bill. All the best to your son in his senior year!
@johncornell366517 күн бұрын
Great attachment for 30 bucks from Amazon. Rallye wheels turned out awesome. Enjoy each video, thanks!