I assume it is future proofing, so your opponent may reveal certain objective tokens to score objective cards? However, this is just a guess.

@paintngamecorner5229 that makes sense, and matches what I was starting to suspect. There's just enough translation issues and future proofing in the rulebooks and app that I just wasn't sure, especially since there's like no one talking about the game online. Like, why do some characters in the app have powers that talk about revealing "suspects"? I assume those are just intrigue tokens but the word suspect never appears in the rulebook. Why do the symbols on the backs of the tokens have distinct names in the components list but are never mentioned again? Why does the rulebook talk about a Sansa model that can be a Leader or Hand, but such a model doesn't exist, meanwhile the core box has a Jaime model that can be a Leader or a hand, and is in fact the only character so far to do so? Why are there deckbuilding rules for the objective decks that so far (and may never, as far as we know) don't matter? Why have an ally designation but also so far there are no characters playable out of their faction? And yet I can't find anywhere to talk about this game online, even the company's official social media barely acknowledges it. It's baffling.

​​⁠yes agree with all your points, I find it bizarre that they are not marketing this. game! the game is a re-skin of Batman Miniatures Game. This is where the term suspect comes from. Also as this is a more established game they have different factions with objective cards, so there is some deck building, but not in GoT yet. Sansa is the expansion pack I bought. Basically, she can be your leader alongside Cat, therefore having two ncu characters.

I bought off online store, not preorder and it came with Ned Stark. Also did same for Batman miniatures and got the preorder bonus minis there too. I think they have just bundled together with all starter sets?

@ ah thanks. Was that KM’s store or a local shop?

@@revivasfernandezthat’s an online store not km

This is exactly what I found. I have never seen a game so under-marketed as this. Especially with the prestigious IP. Crazy! Have just bought the Lannister and stark expansions. So looking forward to some list builds.

@@paintngamecorner5229 I appreciate the content, and it is obviously needed on YT (another Kill Team unboxing not so). I did random searches on the subject and your channel the other day. I am on the fence regarding the game, but the core set might be worth picking up just for daring the fantastic minis, never mind the sleek ruleset!

I am not sure about France I’m afraid. But I’m in uk.

Couldn’t agree more. The models are such good quality, however, just a pain to put together. You have to be careful cutting from sprue and there is so much flash! Also no numbering system for parts and no instructions. I now have the Batman miniatures game starter set, and again minis look awesome!

Thanks. Yes the new flight plan can be added to any scenario. It shows who has superiority for the different stages of the war.

That’s awesome to hear, and it is such a great game. I recently started the campaign book 1 with a friend. Well done on painting yours.👍

Thanks. Yep a lot to remember but gives very rich gameplay.

Thanks for your kind words. I will deffo get some more gameplay up on the channel.👍

Thanks for these. Will try and remember and implement them next time. Of course it makes sense I have to identify magical items before using etc, it was my first one.

Awesome 4 halflings sounds familiar…..

Yeah, with all the games I play, I tend to make some mistakes, however, I always really enjoy my sessions, which is the most important thing. It’s great to have discussions here with the rules I agree totally.

Ahh, I thought charge was 2 ap not power attack. Thanks for the spot.👍

Do they fit in the box like that ok?

@@paintngamecorner5229 Mostly! I repacked the box without any of the books/paperwork in the bottom to help (this helps when we have an admin session where just the books etc. are needed to level up , go shopping, deliver quests, sort out inventory, make potions, etc.!) All of the monster bags have their corresponding monster cards in with them (except beasts ofc!) - makes it a bit easier to find a monster. I added a shallow 20x counter tray in the bottom which moves almost all of the tokens out of the top and into the bottom - along with the money and initiative pouches and a few card decks that didn't fit when sleeved. This makes space in the top. Only standees we've used get a plastic stand - I'd imagine we'd have to revisit that at some point but it does means, for the common ones right now, we aren't pulling off and putting on plastic stands all of the time. They all live in their own "we've used these before bag" so we can find them a bit easier than rummaging in the dedicated bags!

@@paintngamecorner5229 mostly! reorganised the box and took out the books etc. I did do a longer comment but its vanished :(

That kinda makes sense I suppose. I may house rule that if the person attempting to open the door finds it trapped or locked they can as a bonus ap try to disarm or pick lock therefore only taking one activation. But it must be the same character.

Ah yes I remember this from first mission. Thanks.👍

@@paintngamecorner5229Thank you for recording! I am really enjoying the playthrough!

The standees is genuinely one of the amazing parts of this game, the quality of the art and sheer number of them. I totally understand the double sided nature for the tiles, someone else explained the reasoning which totally makes sense. Thanks for giving us the awesome quality art and all the best on your next project.👍

Great, I will teleport out of dungeon in the future. Thanks.👍

I am going to try to use Pathfinder bases which are designed to be used for standees. Initial tries suggest they will be much better.

Thanks so much, I know they are not super high production quality, but hopefully folks can get an idea and flavour of the game.

You can

I will be posting another gameplay video of my last session, talking about this and other comments. Bottom line is that they do get damaged and not much can do to stop it. But the cardboard seems pretty good stock so should last a long time (hopefully).

Hold standee pointing away from holder at about 45° and then push in turning upright as you go. Slightly harder to remove but basically the reverse.

Thanks for the rules clarification. Will remember this for next time I encounter undead.

Thanks, wow that explains the frequency of a wandering monster. I must have missed the instruction of 9-10 on d10. Thanks for pointing out.👍

Unfortunately their store is only in the US, so it will have to be seconds market or wait for next launch hopefully soon. I really want the expansion.

Yeah don’t get me wrong, there is not a lot of role playing in this game, (although you could put that in), it is more a dungeon crawl with rpg elements, but I really like it.

Haha, so true. This things weighs a tonne!!

Not everyone wants to play as a DM. Plus you can play this at 1-2 players, can't really play an RPG at that player count.

If you have a DM and a group yes, otherwise no

As people have said here this game doesn’t really have role play per-say, more of a dungeon crawl with rpg elements. But I have tried solo rpg games and haven’t liked them much, an rpg obviously shines with a dm and a party of players. This is where this game shines for me, having an ai system and being able to play a party of characters is so much fun, with the aspects of DnD. There are still loads of stories that come about from gameplay in this game, creating a narrative.

Hi, in terms of the fraction I have played, there has been an objective room that is shuffled into a position in the encounter deck (rooms and corridors), they have both been to defeat a big baddy, but I am sure that will change to more diverse objectives. There are a tonne of side quests you can pick up from settlements too which make it more interesting. But as you have said so far it is the emergent gameplay from the random elements that I really enjoy and bring about the stories. I have not played Dungeon Universales, so cannot comment on this.

Yeah, I can understand that. There is a section in the rule book about simplifying rules if I remember, taking away aspects for a more streamlined experience. You say about other games, that is the problem (not a bad one) with this hobby. There are so many great games and trying to play them all regularly is tough. I just don’t put pressure to blitz through a game, just play when I feel like it and if it takes a while so be it. For example, I have nearly finished ISS vanguard and have enjoyed jumping in periodically over the last year. I like to play non-campaign games too like marvel Champions a lot along with many other games. And I play tabletop miniature games too.

There is a breakdown of which parts are necessary reading as you start (it's actually not too bad!), as well as a list of rules/mechanics to ommit in order of how much they effect the game in the rulebook, I personally started the game ignoring all the rules listed and only using core mechanics, then adding them in slowly in order of least to most gameplay changing, the rulebook also directly encourages house rules if you do find something you dislike which is nice. HEXplore it is a great game too, I think you'll love what LoD offers if you've been enjoying that :)

@colonelsanders69 Yeah, I'm sure I'll love it when I find the right balance for me. I just wish the game was as simpler. Like 4 stats, no skills and doesn't need a flowchart for combat, spellcasting or alchemy. But again, I do love the dungeon generation and events, as well as the "AI" behind monsters.

Thanks, hopefully it turns up soon.👍

I know, great to have such content but my shelves are already full!

A fantastic point. Didn’t think about this. Of course due to the random dungeon tile placement, double sided with different rooms would certainly not work.

You are correct, that is a misplay by me.

That’s a hard one. I think it is a good solo experience, but the game shines 1v1 for me. If you like painting then I would say yes as they are awesome and many of them.

I think based on component quality the Ragnarök is better. But I prefer Greek mythos, so pantheon for me.

Thanks 😊

Its Pantheon for me

I can understand that, but these campaign games are my favourite and I am playing Primal with a group of friends on a regular basis so works for me. I also have a fair few other campaign games on the go, but I am ok taking my time going through them. Minis are a big part of the hobby for me, this will always be a focus.

Can completely understand. Each game is easily a few hours investment. I have gone through the entire campaign, and I am still frustrated with all the things you have to keep track of though it does get easier. It is definitely not for everyone. Maybe try the monster hunter world board game? I heard it's simpler

@@godhenry007 again it's huge boxes, loads of minis an I know I just wouldn't play it, also I'm very anti steam forged, never played an average game by them yet, everyone I've played I've either hated, or it's just been boring like dark souls, an since MH has the dark souls gameplay, I have a feeling I won't enjoy it lol

@@paintngamecorner5229 I've gone back to GW for my minis fix, playing Grimdark Future, board games with minis just aren't appealing to me anymore, not like card games or euros which I then actually play an they don't take up space lol