Everything Geoff says about Pavel applies to Geoff as well, Geoff is simply an honest, upstanding gentleman with integrity. With tons of knowledge!

Awesome podcast guys. I have hard style bells, 1 35lb, 2 24kg, 2 32kg, 1 44kg. Now I have more motivation to do what you guys are doing. Thanks guys

New Kettle Knights drop! Let's GOOOOOOOOOO!

Good stuff, I love it how all these girevoy sport legends are so pragmatic and humble.

I’m kinda following a similar pattern of training. I’m working on my long cycle, but with a relatively light weight 16k, even though my goal is to get to double 24s, but I’m working on getting the engine used to doing sets of 10 minutes by hitting the right tempo and lowering the time between sets at present

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I like Levi. He's a hard man and a simple man. He just wears a plain T-shirt. Whereas Lebe wears a woman's fitness top for some reason.

This was a really insightfull interview. A think that Pavel is a cautionary tale on how some one with the tuned discorse will be abre to have its own cult.

Gold, Awesome knowledge!

I spent the 80's and 90's trying to get bigger/stronger for football. I'm 53 today and fitness priority is to get 200-300 kettbell swings every training day before I do anything else. The only other exercises I do are barbell pushpress, front squat, chins, and deads, plus regular kettlebell basics. I put priority on the kettlebell. I rarely lift that heavy on squats or deads but when I do the power is always there with not much focus on it. If I was to go back in time to train myself for football, it would be completely different.

Great story! I listened to this while riding my bike. My heart rate average was 160 bpm for 1.25 hours. Thinking about your heart rate endorphins.

What are your thoughts re the WTH effect? It is usually directed to 2 handed single KB swings, correct? Is it a myth? SF urban legend? Or is there something to it, but you can get a greater WTH effect by working out differently w/ different exercises?

Gregory doesn't understand how intense an indoor bike trainer can be.

Gregory, I am a "hard style" mostly self taught and dissolutioned isolated KB'er who started in early 2010 and train alone in my garage. I discovered your channel a few months ago, discovered Levi thanks to these 2 podcasts, and suddenly I am addicted to working out w/ KBs once again! Gone are the 2 handed single KB swing and TGU. In are the long cycle, 2 bells overhead work outs and implementing lots of what you are discussing. It's like it's Spring again, the birds are chirping and I love exercising again! Much appreciation!!

Grüezi Gregory! The podcast is great, lots of very important points. I think that with kettlebells, like with opera singing, there should be initial guidance and if that guidance is correct, the body will then respond and adjust the technique to make it more efficient. For the body to start teaching the singer (or the athlete), it has to be pushed in the right direction. Otherwise, the singer spends the whole rehearsal fighting the discomfort rather than getting more and more comfortable with the process of singing. The same could be said about sports with multiple reps.

Late comment: Deep dive, and really, really important for the fitness scene in general, you only get this level of info at the university level. It also only goes to show that endurance weightlifting , mixed with interval training, is one of the most effective “health and longevity” out there. Kettlebells cover the spectrum. 🤓😎💪💪

this was so awesome, please have Levi on again soon, it was a fantastic conversation and fun to listen to! :-)

Great Podcast, as always. About building Power, there's an easy way you can see yourself how the Hard Style version of these ballistics lift generate much higher power than kettlebell sport versions: attach a sensor like Output Sports, and see for yourself. I tried myself and there's a lot of difference. The velocity is much higher with hard style, which is why power is much higher. Also, time to peak power is higher because there's a higher initial acceleration. Of course you can build power in both ways, but HS is better suited, while kettlebell lifting style works better for power-endurance. And of course you can build power with kettlebells, you just need a decent load (usually 1/3 of BW for swings, which is lighter than you would expect) and maximal intended concentric velocity. Nowadays with Vitruve, Output Sports, Enode or other sensor you can simply test these things yourself if you want. By the way, the concentrics and eccentrics in kettlebell ballistics are so high that you definitely are increasing power expression, with a focus on the speed portion of the curve. You can reach 4,5,6 or more m/s in kettlebell swing with hard style, which is a very high velocity compared to barbell exercises, while using decent loads.

yes

The first 5 minutes alone are gold. Such a great conversation! :)

Wait was that a burpee with the push up?!?

You are no longer a comrade, to the gulag with you!

Oh sh*t this is like Christmas come early.... never imagined part 2 coming so fast. Awesome thank you both

Great stuff guys! I'm defiantly guilty of losing focus, but sometimes its a good thing to keep me wanting to do it! The one thing that always does the trick (which i think is similar to Levi's) is EMOMS, whether short 10min finishers or long 60min, its a race, a challenge, a game all against myself all by myself. You dont have time to think about giving up, the clock becomes the drill Sargent yelling at you and you dont have time to think you just do!

Great conversation! Lots covered and now I just need to finish the last 50 minutes - Great job!

Projecting inner failures and insecurities on another person. Hey stop describing me!

Nearly 3 hours! I appreciate the longer runtime. I'm nearly an hour in and it feels like 10 minutes.

Been following Levi before you had him on your KKnights podcast last time so looking forward to this update - the man is a true gem

Nearly 3 hours worth of blah blah blah & very little useful info! Same ol' trite cliches.......... I hate it when people don't have the decency (or the intellect) to even complete their thought, and flit around from idea to idea without making any coherent sense!!

The first thing I will say, is that I rate a podcast/ interview by how much I would have liked to be a part of the conversation. This was one of those where I wish I was there, so, thank you both for the stimulation. Being a couple of decades down the track from both of you, and having tried many modalities over the last 60 years including more than 20 years using kbs and having studied the history of physical culture (and many other things), I have learned that it's useful to comprehend that everyone is wrong about something and a worthy "goal" is to work to become less wrong and in fewer areas over time. Most folks get locked in to a limited assumption of what's possible and how it can be accomplished based on prior programming they are not consciously aware of- a precognitive commitment, as Deepak Chopra used to write about. Once observed, you don't have to take their opinion seriously, but can use it to sharpen your own thinking. The old adage of "the person who says it can't be done should never interrupt the person doing it" applies here. Regarding the Turkish getup, the value for me is in connecting the movements in a smooth flow from floor to stand and back again which translates to better overall movement when not loaded. I don't see people who train the elements individually as moving as well. I always say I train because it makes the rest of life easier. The tools are just tools. What matters is how consistently and how well one uses them.

"I was never meant to be Ross 2.0" - The conclusion we all come to when we are on day 25 of the 50-day challenge from Infinite Intensity lol

I based my training on Levi’s training and I have seen major improvements. Although I only have a kettlebell, I have done his style of training and it’s good.

Like Arnold, Levi's BACK! And he looks like a Terminator, too!

Oh nice! New podcast drop!

This is going to be pure gold!

Levi and Gregory talking health, kettlebells and all things related equals instant like!

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I find myself, at 54, almost exclusively using Geoff's programming. Keeps it simple and doesn't consume too much time but the results are there in terms of strength, general fitness and in my body shape.

Those accusing Levi of steroid use clearly have no understanding of either bodybuilding or steroids.

Great video! I really enjoyed the topics and discussion. I took a lot away from it. Thanks for sharing.

Pretty wild…Steve can barely speak due to what appears to be severe tooth decay…he really has his priorities confused IMO.

Another excellent conversation and immense sharing of knowledge and experience.

Thanks Lebe and Professor Robergs. A veritable feast of knowledge and things to chew on.....

I wonder what the response would be if Pavel phrased it as anti-lactate threshold training. This accepts the fact that glycolysis exists to some degree but keeping the intensity low enough that lactate is limited

Subtitle options would be good

Why is he talking like he has to poop very hard

I wish we could ask him, if we’re maintaining ATP concentration, is ATP more a requirement for structure-function than ‘energy’?

Lebe do you sometimes work with double 32kg bells at 140kg body weight? Did I hear that right? That is pretty impressive, man.

such a good listen. Love that Gregory has already started adapting his videos to include more doubles!

Loved this podcast, my gosh is Levi a beast! Happenstance is that I'm already doing a double KB clean and press program, but this is some great motivation to push the weights up and try some long cycle programming when I finish this up in a few weeks