Dan Docherty used nei gong as a way of strengthening the body. He never claimed all you needed to do was nei gong in order to fight…
@indefenceofthetraditionalma5 күн бұрын
With regards to the attitude of people in the fajin project and imitating the behaviour of those at the top, I’m pretty sure that would make Jason’s teacher (who I’m sure you said was Alex Dong) the ‘ceo’. I have several screenshots of him insulting me and others and his offer of setting his ‘full contact’ students on people. No one can take the moral high ground from the gutter.
@AtomicTaijiquan5 күн бұрын
praying for you
@indefenceofthetraditionalma5 күн бұрын
@@AtomicTaijiquan why?
@AtomicTaijiquan5 күн бұрын
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma to help you find some peace. This conflict in you is just unmanageable. You're literally addicted to it.
@indefenceofthetraditionalma5 күн бұрын
@@AtomicTaijiquanam I? It takes two for their to be conflict. I’ve certainly never challenged anyone to a fist fight on the Yang family page. Unlike your teacher
@AtomicTaijiquan5 күн бұрын
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma I'd recommend folks stop pulling that thread.
@indefenceofthetraditionalma5 күн бұрын
Good interview. Where me and Jason disagreed over fascia is that he was saying that tendons and ligaments are fascia. When I used links to show that they weren’t, he told me that it doesn’t matter and it’s all the same thing. That’s not how that works. If I went to a doctor to get my acl repaired and he said he was going to replace my tendon, then when I pointed out they’re not the same thing, he said that it doesn’t matter because they’re all the same thing, I would want another doctor.
@AtomicTaijiquan5 күн бұрын
you need a hug, buddy.
@indefenceofthetraditionalma5 күн бұрын
@@AtomicTaijiquan you need to pay attention to your own sources
@AtomicTaijiquan5 күн бұрын
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma thank you I will take that advice to heart.
@ShorelineTaiChi5 күн бұрын
Great interview.
@walkonthewooside5 күн бұрын
Thanks a lot I did feel bad for interrupting him a couple of times. I enjoyed watching the footage of you pushing with Jason.
@ShorelineTaiChi5 күн бұрын
@@walkonthewooside P.S. If you and Jason are curious about my motivations, you may interview me directly. 😉
@AtomicTaijiquan5 күн бұрын
@@ShorelineTaiChi we should do a talk, I'd like that. I'll contact you.
@walkonthewooside5 күн бұрын
@@ShorelineTaiChi I would definitely be interested in interviewing you
@ShorelineTaiChi10 күн бұрын
02:30 This is the "Huang versus wrestler" video - kzbin.infov8SW41XjBpk
@Bullyhunter110 күн бұрын
Im interested to know , how many hours training in person with mr docherty? What grade or level ? Did they talk ? Did they get along ? Who else taught him how many hours ? Did they get along ? Is this a wu dang style uk or international instructor or representative? Thank you.
@indefenceofthetraditionalma9 күн бұрын
@@Bullyhunter1 this is an account created by martialuk to back himself up online. Truly tragic. I have a video proving it on my channel for anyone interested
@MartialArtUK10 күн бұрын
I'm very surprised to see this guy on here.
@MartialArtUK10 күн бұрын
I like the attitude that comes across in this interview,, thanks for sharing ☯️
@rumsbums311329 күн бұрын
I do not understand what the problem is when people enjoy some TaiJi....
@irishwarriorpoetАй бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGinqnWfl6udd9k You should interview Jim Uglow, who Alan mentions as his main Tai Chi teacher, as far as I'm concerned the real deal
@glasp-q8nАй бұрын
Black people don't have different muscles to white people. Nor are those two actually distinct human categories in any case. It's a grotesquely racist and offensive put down of the efforts of black athletes in their training - like, oh, it's easier for them etc. That's vile.
@julianroninbb2 ай бұрын
Joey Nishad is narcissistic & delusional.
@MichaelBark2 ай бұрын
Great interview. Thank you. 😊🙏🏽
@enforcer00112 ай бұрын
nice alan
@martialgeeks2 ай бұрын
Alan's great, great experience and deep understanding, though if I had the chance to talk with him I'd have to press him on the Adam Mizner comments, I heavily disagree with some of the things he says here, Adam's stuff to me is a big problem regardless if he has genuine push hands skills, his "demos" he does like the ones from sitting in a couch is obvious nonsense, but each to his own
@thetaichistudionz2 ай бұрын
Ha ha I see my comment of a couple of days ago is no longer here mmm. Very good steady replies from Alan Orr about 'woo', re pushes and responses to pushes.
@walkonthewoosideАй бұрын
I haven't deleted any comments
@YongnianTaiChiUSA2 ай бұрын
Just a few things: Wilson Pitts was the first teacher in the park. He was director of Tao experience foundation. David Walls-kaufman was the competitor who can make people fly under pressure. Last question i got confused on Fu Shenyuan (FSY) getting the goods, i thought he was talking about James Fu. Yes FSY was groomed for the job by Fu Zhongwen and trained with many great Taiji uncles like Niu Chunning, Cui Yishi, Wu Tunan, just to name a few. Forest Chang and C.P. Ong brought Chen taijiquan teachers to Washington DC area.
@peterfield21932 ай бұрын
To Alan, well spoken and well done in not giving the hidden agenda by the interviewer a chance!!!
@indefenceofthetraditionalma2 ай бұрын
@@peterfield2193 what hidden agenda?
@ShifuDon2 ай бұрын
Try to interview Richard Clear from Clear Tai Chi.
@walkonthewoosideАй бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion
@whiteeagle79142 ай бұрын
Can't believe you misquoted Joey about something that you have a personal recording of 🤣🤣🤣
@indefenceofthetraditionalma2 ай бұрын
@@whiteeagle7914 what was misquoted?
@whiteeagle79142 ай бұрын
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma its all on record just watch it. also dont forget my other comment needs an answer
@indefenceofthetraditionalmaАй бұрын
@@whiteeagle7914so you can’t answer the question? Why are you being dishonest?
@whiteeagle7914Ай бұрын
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma So you didn't pay close attention to what you quoted, then spoke about incorrectly, and now you want me to do your homework for you? That doesn't sound like a very good deal LMAO! Do your own homework. Also didn't i offer to pay for you to go to a seminar held by adam so that this conversation could be ended once and for all? Are you scared to do that?
@indefenceofthetraditionalmaАй бұрын
@@whiteeagle7914 such a sad man. I haven’t misquoted anyone in this interview and your lack of proof shows that. I don’t suppose you’re U.K. based?
@markcollins94062 ай бұрын
Great insightful interview by Alan Orr.
@40JoCharles2 ай бұрын
Excellent responses from Alan. 🙏🏼 These interviews feel like trying to set traps and skilled, knowledgeable, aware people skipping right over them.
@alanskirving64782 ай бұрын
I would give credit to the interviewer for setting up these and allowing these people to speak openly
@indefenceofthetraditionalma2 ай бұрын
@@40JoCharles I found Paul to be quite open.
@alanskirving64782 ай бұрын
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma me too -and good to see a platform for people to discuss these things in more depth than a facebook or comments thread
@walkonthewoosideАй бұрын
What traps do you feel I was trying to set?
@thetaichistudionz2 ай бұрын
Nice answers to the constant questions and angling about woo, from Orr.
@walkonthewooside2 ай бұрын
What kind of questions would you have asked? Genuinely interested as I regret not asking about other 'internal' wingchun guys such as sifu Sergio and Mark Rasmus (both very woo)
@MonkeyBarred2 ай бұрын
Great interview with common sense answers. Gold.
@tomo28072 ай бұрын
Ready to watch this, preparing coffee, ps. You need a logo for the channel!
@walkonthewooside2 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, I have no idea how to add a logo, but thanks for the advice.
@martialgeeks2 ай бұрын
@@walkonthewoosideif you find/create an image you'd like for a logo, you log in to youtube through the youtube studio app and there should be an edit option next to the current logo, I'd love to see this channel grow!
@ytb4602 ай бұрын
Great interview with a true martial artist.
@rumsbums31132 ай бұрын
Some truth here.... Alan is one of a few <3
@indefenceofthetraditionalma2 ай бұрын
Great interview. It truly is fascinating that, being given a platform to express their opinions, the woo side of the Chinese martial arts have chosen not to engage and have their say
@indefenceofthetraditionalma2 ай бұрын
Deeply disappointed in his defence of mizner though
@rumsbums31132 ай бұрын
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma why?
@indefenceofthetraditionalma2 ай бұрын
@@rumsbums3113 because alan is normally pretty anti woo but is championing a guy that makes people jump through lightening sent through his thigh…
@whiteeagle79142 ай бұрын
LMAO! We don't need a platform to express our opinion or to validate what we do other than a ring. But then again, what can i say to a guy who doesn't believe in elasticity, density, and pressurization of internal cavities? You talk big but you won't go to a 200 dollar seminar to verify via personal experience... quite the scientist lol
@HolyChaoMu2 ай бұрын
So maybe this is a clue for you.@@indefenceofthetraditionalma
@YongnianTaiChiUSA2 ай бұрын
Nice one. Keep'em coming
@indefenceofthetraditionalma2 ай бұрын
Great episode. Nice to hear a Chinese speaker who is also a Chinese martial artist talking about the language
@Nicklous2002 ай бұрын
Alan misrepresented his style of arguing and his own reasonableness. Naturally he thinks of himself as more reasonable than he actually is. I blocked him on facebook after an interaction about a jon jones spinning elbow video. I pointed out the flaws with using the technique and that in many circumstances it is easily blocked and makes you vulnerable to chokes or strikes to the back of the head. Alan’s response was to claim (and abusively repeat) that i said i was a better fighter than jon jones and that i thought i could kick jon jones ass. Those were not assertions that i made. So he is blocked because he doesnt want to engage with what people actually say. An honest part of this video is where he admits he’s not really interested in connecting with people who may have had different experiences than himself. Most people dont have interest in engaging with someone whose intention is to look for ways to embarrass. Instead of seeing the lack of engagement as a problem that Alan should fix in the pursuit of knowledge, Alan sees the lack of engagement as evidence that his perspective is correct. It’s self-reinforcing…. One might even say it’s a form of self-hypnosis. “I am right because nobody wants to play with me and prove me wrong.” The lack of curiosity about why people arent engaging and the disinterest in resolving the issues to pursue knowledge is clear. The taoist style of nei gong training i learned is not at all like what Alan described here (not physically intense the way he described). And that’s okay. But it highlights how diverse the martial arts world is and how important it is to be truly open to different perspectives.
@indefenceofthetraditionalma2 ай бұрын
Nice essay on how I hurt your feelings so much. I’m sorry me pointing out that possible the greatest mma fighter of all time knows a bit more about striking than you do. The fact you think joeys interview was respectful whilst criticising mine should be a huge red flag for anyone for anyone considering taking your opinion seriously.
@Nicklous2002 ай бұрын
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma you’re STILL doing the things i blocked you for on facebook, just moving the venue here. Congrats on not learning. You never hurt my feelings at all.
@indefenceofthetraditionalma2 ай бұрын
@@Nicklous200 you’re definitely showing why you blocked me, that’s for sure…
@Nicklous2002 ай бұрын
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma well we agree on that. You want to assume jon jones is infallible just because he is famous, and believe that no one is allowed to point out some obvious flaws in what he is showing or doing, which is problematic and illogical on your part. I guarantee even he himself doesnt see himself as infallible. And ALL of the things i said about spinning elbow were valid critiques. That you’re continuing to propagate the “jon jones cant be criticized” fallacy does indeed show why i blocked you.
@Nicklous2002 ай бұрын
And as you admitted yourself, you’re a third-rate amateur. So, your opinion that jon jones is infallible is indeed reflective of that.
@Nicklous2002 ай бұрын
This was a good and respectfully done video. I think there needs to be more curiosity about why things may not work all the time. It’s not like attempting to punch people has the same effect on everyone (due to differences in body mass, defense skills, evasion skills, etc). I think the last few minutes, where hypnosis is discussed and what is possible under newtonian physics or quantum mechanics are some areas to explore in greater detail. The thing about hypnosis is that “susceptible” means “willing”. For hypnosis to work you have to want it to work. Also, hypnosis doesnt work instantly or every time. Your own stresses and amount of exposure affect the likelihood you will experience something again. It is entirely possible under hypnosis to create triggered muscular reactions. Triggers can come from almost anywhere. I have experienced a spontaneous triggered mental and muscular reaction in response to seeing an emoji. But at the same time, having experienced “qi” emission and having experienced hypnosis, i can say it absolutely wasnt hypnosis in my case , because the room was silent the first time i experienced it, and there was no warning or prior demonstration or training about what was going to happen… and everyone in the room experienced it. I think the statement that qi isnt possible or explainable with newtonian physics or quantum mechanics is actually a lazy and unsupportable assertion. Just because you may not have the explanation doesnt mean an explanation is impossible. It may be accurate to say that nobody thus far that you are aware of has explained it using those frameworks, but that statement is of course limited to your own personal perspective. I think it’s important to maintain the humility that your own perspective isnt automatically correct. There may be explanations that you simply havent entertained or been exposed to. It is well documented that living things emit energy (heat, light, sound, electricity, and other forms of energy). It is entirely possible that measuring qi is simply difficult, in the same way that understanding whale communication is inherently a difficult task.
@walkonthewooside2 ай бұрын
Thanks for writing such a long and thoughful reply. Could I ask about which teacher you experienced the chi emission? Would you be interested in discussing this experience further? I don't think either of us suggested that Newtonian physics disproves chi. I think we were arguing that 'no touch' fajin could not be explained by physics.
@taijitodd14122 ай бұрын
@@walkonthewooside i have some experience with the no touch/empty force stuff. Its a "real" phenomenon, just rather useless for martial arts in my opinion. can also explain the basic mechanics of "fajin/jin" without the woo or chinese terms, and which conditions it works or doesnt. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYWooHyBo9GlppIsi=UelPHfOwcba-mU9M
@TheTrippnotist2 ай бұрын
‘Hypnosis’ is just applied psychology (in a folk sense rather than academic sense)
@thetaichistudionz2 ай бұрын
Good to listen to two people like Matt stampe and Mike Graves, who were not whining, promoting themselves, denouncing people other than themselves, or plain just talking horse shit. Look let's be crystal clear push hands is not fighting, it was designed nourish fight training ability ie san sou. So let the big talkers take their challenge and enter the octagon, show us your 'real' fighting taiji beyond entry level. Put your money where your mouth is, we'll watch. Instead of wanting to have your name in lights/make a name for yourselves by challenging those who are focusing on other aspects of taiji or busy being successful doing what they are doing. To the 'woo' brigade who are promoting fight capability without fight conditioned taiji, line up go get their first good hiding, they deserve it. Take a good hard look at Nate Diaz, at under 40 years old can hardly string a coherent sentence together let alone apply a low level logic, just imagine what he'll be like at 50 or 60 years old, in a nursing home, is this who the big talkers aspire to be? Let's be clear MMA has rules, street fighting does not. Decide what you want from taiji and go for it, that may change and hopefully it does, remember the symbol that underlies taiji is yin/yang, that of change. The best example of taiji wrestling for my money was Mario Napoli (trained by his Judo/CMC taiji coach) when he won in China, in the 'modern era' nothing comes close. My background from the age of 10 was Judo, absolutely love it, ground fighting was my forte, applying neck chokes (Kesa and Kata katama) and won junior championships, Taiji came later. My long time student of 23 years goes and 'plays' with Wing Chun guys and does exceptionally well against them, and they want to know what fight training he has had, which absolutely none, only CMC 37 Yang 108, White Quick Fist and the lower 18 hands of which we do about 9, and body conditioning ie taking hits.
@indefenceofthetraditionalma2 ай бұрын
Do mma fighters have to obey rules in a street fight?
@taijicreature2 ай бұрын
I met Mike at the Tampa Bay Martial Arts Retreat. Disappointed to hear his stance on authentic Taiji (meaning Taiji isn’t authentic without Qi). Hopefully we will meet again in November and have a chat about it.
@LowKickSlick2 ай бұрын
Same as my FB response to your same statement 🙏🏾 Steffan, 🤣, so I've been out & about today and wasn't able to properly respond to your complete misquote of my statements from the interview; in fact, if someone was to only read your statements and not view the interview for themselves they would be completely misguided by your declaration. Although it was a compound question, the part I directed my answer was to - "what's your take on Qi and Qigong and the usefulness of that kind of training" My response (summation): "...I don't discount the Qigong practice...I use it as part of my curriculum [in my university classes]" Next part of the question, "In terms of fighting, you don't think you can knock people over with Qi power...?" My response, jokingly: "oh - no, no I do it all the time..." More serious, sincere response: "No I don't believe in that at all, in that aspect...[speaking of knocking out someone with 'Qi powers']"! I then continued on with my viewpoints of the benefits of the practice. In addition, I will provide feedback from my actual class & students, which has been shared publicly to indicate there's no contradiction in my statement. Of course, it still stands that we can have a great convo on the subject in detail once we grace each other's presence! I respectfully look forward to hanging in your company 🙏🏾💯!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5axhoyefaypitksi=_3ZYGnouKPl9gmMp
@walkonthewooside2 ай бұрын
Hi Steffan, would you be interested in being interviewed?
@taijicreature2 ай бұрын
@@walkonthewooside no HME people will indulge your ignorance… I have just done an interview with Joey … you can watch that when he releases it.
@walkonthewooside2 ай бұрын
That kind of attitude reflects badly on you and your organisation. If your not prepared to have a conversation you won't convince anyone.
@taijicreature2 ай бұрын
@@walkonthewooside I don’t need to convince anyone. No one will ever be “convinced” with conversation. Direct experience is the only way.
@CuttingEdgeSystema2 ай бұрын
Nice one Mike, and good to see Dave getting some props
@CottonBoxer2 ай бұрын
This is my innerstanding from my limited journey. Any faults are mine alone but if you say something bud wrong please point out the right way and back it up. xie xie ☯️💯✊🏽
@CottonBoxer2 ай бұрын
Pay attention: we all have Qi = bio electrical energy that keeps us alive. Learn any internal style well and you will develop Jin = what most call internal/intrinsic energy, From here various drills and forms develop both the Jin and the frame your doing. Next obviously is Fa Jin or release of force / explosive force. Now again drills and forms that you practice using fa Jin. Whole body is sung and anchored by the stance. The frame/posture is used by being compressed into the ground. Then you can quickly release that compressed force generated through ur weapon : fist , elbow, knees etc. It’s like putting water in a hose (length is subjective here) that has bends and twist in it. Snap that hose like a whip and release the water at the same time. That sudden rush of water hits hard and can reassert itself just like waves in the ocean. Back to the hose which functions in this example as the body from foot to chosen weapon. If the path is shorter you naturally can produce the same force that used to have a longer path to the opponent. The real skill is to manipulate one’s Jin to fit the circumstances as we will it. I might die before I get to that part. I’m 63 formerly started summer of 95’ joined Baltimore Tai Chi Chuan Study Association Founded by Dr. John Wan-Yuin Chang
@ShikonMA2 ай бұрын
A happy, well grounded teacher - good choice.
@LowKickSlick2 ай бұрын
Thank you - definitely always try to bring a sense of pleasantries into my practice with a pragmatic approach - I love this stuff lol!!!
@swannyswan49902 ай бұрын
Mike is a great guy and an accomplished practitioner.
@LowKickSlick2 ай бұрын
I really appreciate the complimentary nod. Thank you for that 🙏🏾. Now I'm trying trying to suss out who you are, as your page & profile is quite inconspicuous lol 😅😂😊!!!
@martialgeeks2 ай бұрын
🔥👌
@LowKickSlick2 ай бұрын
🙏🏾💪🏾💯✌🏾
@indefenceofthetraditionalma2 ай бұрын
Another great interview. Love the tree in the forest analogy
@LowKickSlick2 ай бұрын
Thanks for that! Yeah, Dave Nicholson always had these cool, little conceptual gems. I was trying to speed talk because there was so much more I wanted say in the time we had. Cool experience for sure!
@indefenceofthetraditionalma2 ай бұрын
@@LowKickSlick well keep those things in mind for when we have a chat
@mickywes37332 ай бұрын
Funny you guys choose to mention Mark Rasmus and Adam Mizner to call out. It happens that I know and have touched hands with both of them. I’ve also seen videos of both of you guys though admittedly haven’t met or touched with you. Nothing in your videos would inspire me to do so. That being said, and Woo aside, I would say there is a 100% chance that either of them would flat out kick both your asses easily. I’d put money on it 10:1 You guys will forever be clueless. You will never get the depth available in these arts…but still you should endeavor to find away to push with Adam. At least when you get tossed on your ass… you’ll have that.
@indefenceofthetraditionalma2 ай бұрын
There’s no accounting for gullibility. Hme are known for their cowardice
@mickywes37332 ай бұрын
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma said a man who’s never met and touched hands with Adam Mizner or his top students. 🙄
@indefenceofthetraditionalma2 ай бұрын
@@mickywes3733 do you believe in no touch knock outs?
@mickywes37332 ай бұрын
Belief is irrelevant
@richmorley26742 ай бұрын
Well said.
@curtbro1002 ай бұрын
As a Student of Sifu Adam let me tell you what really happened. Matt has been bad mouthing Sifu Adam for years, obviously when your Teacher gets bad mouthed his students will challenge to defend him, Matt accepted then never showed up multiple times. When Matt came to Thailand he was told he could come and meet Sifu Adam, later he got scared with the excuse he lost his passport, I'm sure he never expected someone to watch this and catch him out on his lie.
@indefenceofthetraditionalma2 ай бұрын
I call bull💩 hme have a history of cowardice
@robliberti2 ай бұрын
no one cares what you think. :)
@mickywes37332 ай бұрын
😂
@taijicreature2 ай бұрын
True story. Matt is a coward.
@bewholeyoga2 ай бұрын
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma🤣🤣🤣 Mr. "Driving distance only", then Mr. "i don't want to pay" and then after someone offered to pay, suddenly Mr. "They might not let me record" 😂 While you were making excuses for not being able to get it up, many hundreds of people touch hands with HME seniors every workshop, which there are many, around the world. I guess you won't be happy unless you are able to go empty a bottle of water on the head of an unsuspecting old man, you know, to make your teacher proud. "Alan grew up just like me" 🤣🤣🤣 How long did your teacher learn Taichi again? One year? Wow. Yeah, buzz off wannabe.
@SomedayFarm2 ай бұрын
Thank you for developing this conversation.
@LowKickSlick2 ай бұрын
Great interview - enjoyed & respect the viewpoints. Nice to hear your overall martial background as well Alan!
@ShikonMA2 ай бұрын
Enjoyed the interview, you’ve cracked a good ‘niche’ Tai Chi area there well done Paul and Alan.
@ShikonMA2 ай бұрын
Good interview Paul and well said Matt.
@indefenceofthetraditionalma2 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed those interviews. Well done to you both
@indefenceofthetraditionalma2 ай бұрын
Oo, I’m first. Does that make me your biggest fan?
@indefenceofthetraditionalma2 ай бұрын
I did also mention a Chen style fake wrestling video I saw