Agreed

Not really, not expecting anything. I feel this is a good value, but also know that some people might have higher expectations.

That’s what it is these days.

Not at all. It's super easy. Depending on the conditions in which you ride the bike, cleaning can be done at longer intervals. Lubing the chain takes less than 2 minutes.

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GIVI is not a bad alternative. I think they are functionally could be better (I used them in the past). But materials quality is better with SW-MOTECH in my opinion. Also design language is better here, but that’s all subjective.

Curious. What are you going to use going forward?

Thank you. Glad it helped. Also watch this video as it can be helpful. All Pros and Cons for SW-Motech DUSC cases after long-term use kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnPEqHZ3ndOInrs

That’s true.

Maybe they solved those rattles with newer iterations. It is a great bike, and both of them are great. I like this category of motorcycles as people choose them when they start riding bigger bikes and when they downsize after large motorcycles. It is not easy to make a bike that suits both of these categories of riders. But they are doing a great job. Yamaha does not supply Tracer 7 to the US, and I guess it would be too simple of a bike to meet US market standards. At the same time, you guys have amazing roads to ride with this bike. Thanks for sharing info about oil consumption. Will definitely look closer. I change it every 5000km typically.

Versys is a great bike, probably the most versatile out of these 3. But a bit boring in my opinion.

Yes, clutch is not slipping, sometimes can be annoying.

@@SergeyVikultsev the problem with mine is that when the engine is cold and OFF, if the bike is in gear with the clutch pulled, I can't move the bike. Also, at cold starts, if I start it in 1st, with the clutch pulled, the bike will move forward about 1 meter. Is it normal?

It is !

Great!

@@SergeyVikultsev in the process of getting one now.

You’ll enjoy it.

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Hi Stephen, congratulations! You’ll enjoy the bike. I can tell it after having plenty of people riding here. As for the riding, come and visit! I will soon post the video about all possible options we have. There are some interesting ones.

Your bike is apparently still under warranty. You can try to solve these problems with the service. One of the owners I know (on KZbin) of this bike solved problems with the quickshifter at a service center

@@megamix1301 Already reported,waiting for answer for more than 4 weeks....All the other problems always the same answer-it is fine,just ride it,have to say I am a bit frustrated already...

@@Tuisonata OMG.. 4weeks ! You probably need to write a complaint to the central office in England. Or go to the central service center. The thing is, I was interested in this bike and talked to a lot of owners on KZbin. The overwhelming majority are happy with it.

@@megamix1301 I did report to central office in England, buy they told me I have to talk with the dealer where I bought the bike here in Vienna...magic circle....For example after first service, 1000km, they didn't put enough oil in the engine...

@@Tuisonata This is disgusting. It is necessary to create a topic on the triumph forums so that people know about the company's real attitude towards customers.

Thanks for watching! Enjoy your bike, it is a nice one 100%

I would not be worried about where these bikes are made. First of all, Tracer 7/700 was developed in Europe for the EU market. These bikes are not available everywhere in the world, even in Japan. Secondly, the engine is still produced in Japan, as well as some other parts. In France, they only assemble the bikes and may supply some minor elements from EU factories. Yamaha still manages quality control. Also, the manufacturers these days produce their vehicles in a different countries. Typically, only top-of-the-line models (ex., Tracer 9, Africa Twin, GS1300, etc.) made are in home country. Maybe only Ducati still produce bikes in Italy. Other brands cut production costs by moving factories somewhere or outsourcing to other companies. Even premium brands such as Triumph or BMW do that. So, again, we live in a different world, and this is just a part of reality. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter where it is made, as long as it is good quality and reliable.

@@SergeyVikultsev Yes, but it does illustrate where some of the money goes, French labour is more expensive than Thai labour. Now, I like Thailand (I am Thai) but all of the “British” branding puts me off when the bike isn’t made there. Ducati also have a factory in Rayong, mainly making Scramblers and the such. Ducati is owned by VAG so they love their outsourcing. If you want a made in Japan bike Suzuki are almost 100% and if you want made in Italy I’d go MV or Guzzi. Me, I don’t care much. Just don’t slather the bike with the flag if it’s not made there.

1 - Both engines are good in terms of the heat they produce. With Tiger, you have more warm air on your feet, but it is not even close to what Tiger 900 produces. I wouldn't be worried about the heat in either case (Yamaha or Triumph) for these two bikes. 2 - Both of these features give you extra comfort riding the bike. When you ride it for some time and get used to it, you don't really think about it. But then you move to the analogue bike (like Tracer 7), and you notice the difference. I think it is just convenient features that really work. But I started to ride almost 20 years ago. For a long time, none of my bikes had TC or any electronics. I am comfortable with riding "simple" bikes. Would it be a dealbreaker for me? Not at all for this class of bikes. But probably yes if I buy something more expensive (900-1000cc motorcycle). This is only because you expect to have those things included when you spend more money.

@@SergeyVikultsev At the same price point as the tracer7 there seems be the Suzuki gsx 8r now, which is packed with tech, and which contrary to the looks, people say it has a sport tourer position. Any thoughts about it?

@@moonbiscuit8742 yeah, Suzuki bikes look like a good value and good set of tech. But not tried them yet.

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It is just different type of bikes.

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Yes, should be possible.

Thanks! It is ok to disagree with something, we all have different experience and so the opinions ;) I personally learned to ride old-school bikes, all manual. My first bike was Honda made in 90s. For me modern bikes cut the connection between me as a rider and motorcycle. But that's where we are now, which is ok :)

Hi, thanks! No, not touching, all good :)

Thanks for sharing 🙏

Hi Paul. No, I do not miss the power. This engine feels more like 900cc one.

Ok cheers. I appreciate your feedback as I know you too dropped down in bike size too. I have test ridden one a few months ago & was quite happy with it but it's good to have your thoughts on the tiger. I'm looking to spend some money on the suspension, a possible remap (for a bit more power) & a decat exhaust system. In an ideal world triumph would build a 765 tiger ! - that would be awesome 👌. Regards Paul

What are you talking about?

Thanks for sharing. 850 is a great bike! Very well priced and balanced. Demand for 660 is not there anymore, unfortunately, but it is still a good bike.

Depends on how much you can control yourself. Tracer 9 is a capable bike, but also very friendly and has plenty of safety features. As for Tiger 660 I doubt you’ll keep it for 5 years.

It is! Come to visit!

ok i am in Romania , i come with you on my f900xr , lets go