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@kbisthename8031 I do plan to do an drawing next season for some young birds. For now, all my pairs are already split up and waiting for the winter to come.

@@DannyConner-w5v right now, I don't have any for sale. I don't really sell birds, but I do plan to do a drawing next season for some young birds.

@@abetntwarrios8882 gotta be extra selective for sure. We will see how they go, I'm excited to see how they will continue.

@nonowelcome5027 thank you. I'm trying to enjoy them for sure. Sucks that I bred them so late. The winter cold is coming soon, and I sure hope they will be able to handle it. One reason why I stopped breeding so late.

@freddycuadrado5563 thank you. Doing my best to keep them going in the air. I've finally slowed down a bit with hunting and started to focus on flying for a bit. Nice, to see some very young birds rolling already. Kind of surprised me.

@@morrismay5750 thank you. Much appreciated!!

@fatalxiong5320 screwed up thinking it was the following weekend. Had family come into town from out of state, to do some hunting. Had my wife fly my second kit as I was busy hitting the woods. But no DQ or Zeros, so I guess it's good for not being able to prep anything for flying this fall season. I've been debating if flying in the fall would fit my schedule?? Last few times I flew the Nationals, fall is a really busy time frame trying to get everything done before winter arrives.

@Birdgame1921 competition is only 3 days out of the year, 6 days if you get into the finals every time you qualify (World Cup & 2 Nationals fly; 20 bird and 11 bird). 362 days are for backyard enjoyment. The breed has a standard. It is up to every breeder to try and uphold their standards for the future. Just like if I wanted a German Shepard, I wouldn't class a Golden Retriever to have the same standards. I believe as a breeder, we gotta do our best to pass on the best traits and selection of the breed by definition, into the future.

@TjNelson-p6p culls are not worth your time. They will most likely set you back then move you forward.

@@effortlessrollersloft9659 I don't fly to compete i fly for the love of the birds

I fly for the love of it

@damonthomas8738 thank you. I've been busy so I haven't done much with the birds. Trying to give them a few days out the week to fly as much as they can.

@dogenthusiast8729 is hard to find a H style with a 1.1 Q. I ca. almost say that almost all H style usually start at 1.5. Everything else, I would agree you're on point. Basic 1-on-1 for flying comp birds.

@loupigeonstimeflies8150 I feel like, judging birds can be a simple deal that can easily be very complicated if one doesn't understand how to read a score sheet. Sometimes, ppl think the best kit is the kit that score the most. And in reality, the best kit could be a losing kit that just didn't show up day of. I try my best to explain it, but hopefully I make some sense?? Lol

@effortlessrollersloft9659 You make plenty sense, you should think about judging in the near future.

@loupigeonstimeflies8150 I am considering it. I have stood under many kits and I try to learn as much as I can from everyone I've met.

@effortlessrollersloft9659 Hey man, it looks like you got this down to a science. Definitely give it a shot.

@@jorgepena1218 thank you.

@@darinbrewer301 thank you. Yeah, they aren't doing too bad. Can't wait to see them fly matured they can be super fun to watch at times.

@ogwalkonwater1562 thank you. I can not wait to see them mature. These are off my young kit birds early this season. Then after they bred me this round, they all went back up in the air. I gotta admit!! I am liking what I got so far.

@@effortlessrollersloft9659 yes indeed… they are looking good… I got the itch to get back in to them.. keep tracking your progress and I’ll keep watching ✊🏾🫡

@loupigeonstimeflies8150 yeah they were doing pretty well. My wife was flying my birds for me, I didn't know she put up my 2 main kits!! Lol. When I found out she was flying my main cock kit I started to record and I was able to catch this short video of them.... but they put on a good show for being birds that have been locked up for over 2 months. I can't wait to get them back into flying condition.... I'm pretty pumped.

@Rev792 it all varies on what you are feeding them and how long you want them flying. Some families will fly for 2-4 hours. Some family will depend on feed. Once you know what your family of birds react to, you will have to figure that out for yourself. During competition, you need your team to stay on the clock for at least a minimum of 15 minutes exact!! But if you're team can clear 15 minutes easy with hardwork. You have nothing to worry about.

@loupigeonstimeflies8150 changing the feed shut down the roll. They were rocking it pretty good on their regular feed.

@effortlessrollersloft9659 what is the regular feed if you don't mind me asking. Are you talking wheat, or something else.

@loupigeonstimeflies8150 this family, straight wheat will not work. You'll get them flying low and will land shortly after. My regular feed is 2 parts wheat to 1 part milo. Depending on if they are flying time, flying too high or too low I'll change it up a bit. If birds seem like they are lacking power, I'll feed them some peas. Barley is used if they are too frequent.

Definitely true. Not everyone knows how to handle another person’s birds. Bob Westfall had great birds but you had to know how to handle them. It’s funny how one person can get a set of birds and do wonders with them, but another person will say that they are trash.

@user-nu5pg4xn2j when I did the cross back 2020, I bred out about 160 of these birds. I did not really expect much from them as I just wanted to fly birds. Out of the 160 birds, I did my best to select the best 20 (10 hens and 10 cocks) to move them forward. Granted, I lost a lot of really good birds flying, some I wish I could still have. When I move to my location now, I gifted out about 14-18 birds to random guys that wanted to get in the hobby. I can only wish they did something with those birds as I believe they were really great birds to fly, my wife persuaded me to keep them, and I'm glad she did. To answer your question, I have 10 hens and 9 cocks left. The goal is to breed all of them back to my pure DC birds and select those who possess the trait I want to bring back. These birds will all go back up in the air to retire. They have been proven as breeders as I bred all of them back to the Rick Mee side, and all the 2021 babies off them were really good. Living in the city and a small loft, I had to cut down and stay focused. But I sure hope to get them back and rolling soon enough.

@@effortlessrollersloft9659 well anyway the very best of luck with the birds and i hope everything works for the best....if you can get a break from the hawks and falcons... maybe then you will finally find out what the rollers are really like

@user-nu5pg4xn2j my location now isn't do bad. But I've only been here for 2 years, so I'm still learning the area. I am finding that I can fly from late fall through winter with no losses and no bops until the spring migration. Which is mid April through mid May. Then I get hit like 3-4x a month until July. For some reason, in July, the bops are hunting my birds super hard. Not sure if they are feeding Youngs or what, but they hunt me hard!! Then in late Aug, I'm flying with little harassment from the bops. I guess, I'm curious to see how they will do as well now that I can fly with way less losses. Time will tell how far I can take em.

Deepest would be roll downs, I get a few a year. I've bred many different depths, anything from 10-200'. But I don't chase depth as most would, style is my number one when it comes to the roll. I've seen some very fast and deep birds that are A styles or axle and to me, that is just not a sight for me. Here's my order of the 4 factors of a roll: 1. Style 2. Speed 3. Frequency 4. Depth Depth to me is a factor that will vary from person to person. Some ppl like birds that drop right away, which makes them look deep. Some time their birds, which to me is the most accurate way of doing things, and lastly some try to judge depth by what they think it looks like. So, depth is at the bottom for me.

Do you ever sell birds id like to get a couple of breeding pairs off you

@loupigeonstimeflies8150 in the city, I've only seen them do this like once or twice only. They usually chase my birds when they are about to land only, this one like to go up and chase and do it all over again if it misses. I bet it's got some Youngs to feed somewhere near. It's desperate for sure if it's willing to go up and chase the kit in my opinion.

@jourdanRC when I'm just conditioning my birds, I'm only feeding wheat and milo. I do not feed a set mix. I usually start with 50/50 and adjust based on what the birds show me in the sky. My family of birds do horrible on straight wheat. If I do it, they'll fly low and super fast, like homing pigeons. If they are not slowing down with wheat and milo, I like to use barley once a week.

@@Knock.Out.Kennels_n_Loft my wife's brother's wedding, so yes, my BIL wedding.

They don't only roll well, they stay up for long periods. Nice man, good endurance.👊

I was super busy. I was hoping to have time to visit a few guys, but it was all work. Next time, I'll have to Mahe sure to have more time for play. Family is doing good, everyone is back to playfulness. Birds on the other hand, are starting to do better. Took a few hard hits losing a few really good breeders. But I should bounce back if I don't lose anymore.

That must have been a shock with the birds being sick ,glad your recovering. Stay strong like you do.Glad ya posting videos thanks.D in Cali @@effortlessrollersloft9659

The lime team was half given back. My buddy didn't want all of them back so I still have a handful of them. They will remain kit birds for life, as I don't have any intentions to cross out or bring them into my family. Overall, they were a fun family of birds to fly. They had great fly pattern and good rolls.

Thank you. Doing my best.

I came in 5th or 6th? Only had 2 qualifiers. Very heavy winds that we flew in. Overall, I was very happy with my birds and how they handled the wind.

@effortlessrollersloft9659 Nice man, you have good birds. 👍

@@loupigeonstimeflies8150 downfall was that I put my cock kit up on the wrong day. I should've trusted my gut and put them up on Thursday. The guys who flew Friday through Saturday had 20-25 mph wind... Sunday and Monday were calm again. So that hurt a lot of kits.

@effortlessrollersloft9659 Damn, that's messed up. I'm sorry to hear that. Preparations take a lot of time and effort only to have high wind ruin THE MOMENT. Wow🤦 Terrible

@loupigeonstimeflies8150 yes, it was a hard pill to swallow. But at the end of the day, we all put up our birds and we all took our chances. What sucks was, I had left 4 days before the fly to help my family out of state, and returning back, my birds got sick. Finally, after flying the Preliminary Fly, I took some of my young birds to a lab to get tested and they came back with a virus. So, now I'm fighting to keep my birds healthy and hopefully not a too heavy of a loss... time will tell.

We will see how they do... hopefully the wind isn't too harsh and the rain don't come beating them down... fingers cross.

@@effortlessrollersloft9659 🤞

Got you down...

Got you down as well.