If the stab plays a negative force (down) compared to the front wing (up).... then, a large stab increases lift but does not increase glide... am I right ?
@wingmanfoilclub2 күн бұрын
The main lifting wing (the front foil) creates a point of upward lift called the center of lift. The weight of the rider and board creates a center of gravity forward of that point. So without a stabilizer, the nose would pitch down due to the center of gravity being in front of the center of lift. In conventional aircraft design, the tail wing is angled down which creates an opposing downward force to the center of lift and pushes the nose up. So it doesn’t increase lift, it counteracts the downward force created by the center of gravity being in front of the center of lift. It also causes the airplane to ride at a higher angle of attack. So there is now more drag due to the tail and also riding at a higher angle of attack. The added drag will reduce glide and also top speed and efficiency. The benefit is an increased pitch stability. So no, in conventional design, a larger stab will not increase glide because it is not adding lift, it is opposite the lift and adding drag and increasing the angle of attack adding more drag. So to increase glide you’re better off moving your weight back or foil forward and using less tail of less shim angle. But what if you put your stab on upside down (which I did accidentally the other day)? Now we have a “lifting” tail. As expected, I had to ride with tons of back foot pressure because my center of gravity was now in front of the centers of lift with no counteracting force. Did this increase my glide? I don’t know. It was too hard to ride to really tell. But I doubt it. I might do a video experimenting with this though. There are some aircraft designs with lifting tails such as the Rutan Proteus or XB-70, but things get pretty confusing once you start talking about tandem wings and lifting tails. Disclaimer: I am not an aerospace engineer or even very knowledgeable about physics.
@simonm777610 күн бұрын
This works. Find that balance point!
@GeorgeMeredith110 күн бұрын
That was cool, Im heading to Corpus soon to wingfoil and that was helpful!
@wingmanfoilclub10 күн бұрын
Let me know if you have any questions. Have a good trip!
@candych075418 күн бұрын
Nice
@wingmanfoilclub18 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@shooter7a24 күн бұрын
Why is June 1 "opening" day... Since when is this launch closed in April, May, etc....
@wingmanfoilclub24 күн бұрын
I don’t know. It’s just what they call the event cause that’s when it starts getting consistent I guess.
@shooter7a24 күн бұрын
@@wingmanfoilclub true....April and May are volatile...and the steady pattern kick in early June...
@mtc91827 күн бұрын
I’m all about the PPE, I even wear field hockey eye shields when foiling. Nobody ever thinks about the eyes, we’re flying on Samurai swords! So many time I see the foil with close calls. I look completely ridiculous and I don’t care,lol!
@wingmanfoilclub26 күн бұрын
I definitely think about it. Haha. Eyes and neck are definitely some vulnerable areas. But Andrew Sayre almost went to Davey Jones’s locker from a foil to the calf. So definitely sand those tips and trailing edges!
@jonysanup28 күн бұрын
I started doing this wing 'redirection' by accident when gybing really tightly from riding toeside into heelside. It's like holding on to the wing in it's original direction practically until you exit the gybe, then spinning the wing 180 degrees on it's axis.
@wingmanfoilclub27 күн бұрын
Exactly!
@jamesc6137Ай бұрын
Good tutorial
@jamesc6137Ай бұрын
Im trying to get-r-done on a 29 liter board
@wingmanfoilclubАй бұрын
No problem if there’s wind. It’s actually more stable cause you’re under water. Haha. But you need enough wind to pull yourself up through the water.
@leapnlarryАй бұрын
This sport is getting so expensive, love the interviews thanks. We camped at Viento last fall for 2 weeks, awesome spot. The trains didnt bother us but we are in a 35foot fifth wheel. Larry
@wingmanfoilclubАй бұрын
Absolutely, and I meant to add the following caveat to this video: “You don’t need any of this new junk.” My wings are close-out $250 wings. My board is close-out used $500 years old design. My foils are decent but you don’t see me out there buying the latest and greatest now that I have decent ones. (And I bought some of them used for a deal.) The trend has been to push expensive race gear or the best downwind foil. But this sport was always about fun and people are forgetting that. I have plenty of fun on my old gear and outride quite a few people in the process! I wasn’t even going to make the video this year because of how commercial the sport has become. But people demanded I go.
@AlessandroLazzaraАй бұрын
Great vid.
@wingmanfoilclubАй бұрын
Thanks
@cbrtexasАй бұрын
I live on North Beach in Corpus and kitesurf. Good job on the video! It really made me want to learn to wing ... Like Chillcoat, I've been putting it off. Loved the parking lot action at Water's Edge.
@wingmanfoilclubАй бұрын
Nice! North beach is a fun place to wing when it’s windy enough to get some swells. It can be tough to learn there because of the onshore wind (maybe try A&M first). Drag Jeff out with you and get after it!
@TomBaldwin123Ай бұрын
What if I accidentally put it through the wash
@wingmanfoilclubАй бұрын
GoPros are waterproof when closed (unless there’s a bad seal). If it’s not working after the wash I don’t know what to tell you.
@TomBaldwin123Ай бұрын
@@wingmanfoilclub I had the battery in my shorts
@wingmanfoilclubАй бұрын
I would probably just buy a new battery instead of introducing corrosion into the GoPro.
@mattiamarelli4372 ай бұрын
good to see you in the water yesterday Rob!!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
You too. Great to meet you. One small clip of you in the Instagram video
@as_the_dodo_do2 ай бұрын
Raddy-coolo :) Great video! Keep em up
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@dcjtv2 ай бұрын
It’s the persevering masochist move!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
If I’m not hurting myself am I even foiling?
@lodovicobernardi2 ай бұрын
thanks, great sharing!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
Welcome!
@AkSeapilot2 ай бұрын
one of the cool parts about releasing the video is you will get some tips from others and improve.. Nice Job and you will nail it with more practice.
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
When I get a good one I feel like I’m close to mastering it. Then I take 50 bad wipe outs. Haha
@Hdip2 ай бұрын
Super slow mo version at the end. Your front foot comes off the board before the spin. That's what sent you to the rail instead of the center line. Seems like you gotta really keep your front toe down for the entire spin to maintain your position on the board. Otherwise the foil just shoots ahead of you. So close!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
The funny thing is even though that one looks bad it felt great. I was almost able to pull it out. I think it might help to start with the front foot more heelside to make room for the next foot placement
@RobinFischer-n9v2 ай бұрын
Hey ist there going to be a bigger Art V2 LIKE A 1099?
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
I don’t have any info on that. Probably best to ask the AXIS Facebook group
@equityrealestateluxurygroup2 ай бұрын
Thanks
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
You’re welcome. Go to my insta if you want to see them in action. I’ve been using them for the last few months cause I found a deal. Not a perfect wing, but pretty fun! Luffs well too for riding swell.
@arnaudnaiwko2 ай бұрын
Thank you for your work on this video, so many interesting things explain with passion 😀
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and commenting!
@conorprovan94352 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
Epic! Thank you!
@foilandwater2 ай бұрын
Thank you for this amazing coverage!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
You’re welcome!
@alfskaar4892 ай бұрын
That presentation with Axis was great finally someone that can speak without out going a, um so annoying when people speak that way. And the leak is maybe the FireBall see Downwind_Drifter for my comment. "Prototype sup foil run downwind, and what a foil! Mint conditions Axis downwinding, Zhik, Ppc"
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
Fun fact, I edit out A LOT of people’s “ums.” Haha. One reason my videos may seem more watchable and why they are so much work.
@alfskaar4892 ай бұрын
@@wingmanfoilclub Thank you 😊 😊 😊
@jimmymazzanti14512 ай бұрын
Thank you Robert for your job, well done!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
You’re welcome, Jimmy!
@dcjtv2 ай бұрын
Your videos are the next best thing to being there in person! I do have the Sabfoil Balz 909 which I rode at Topanga on your birthday. I started boosting with it last weekend. It has a lot more pop than the Medusa pro, at least for me learning to jump. Now I’m salivating over the 808.
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
@@dcjtv Did you feel compelled to tip because I mentioned your name and said you were faster?? Haha. Boosting now! Uh oh! Thanks so much for the support. I didn’t realize you have the 909. Looks so fun. All the sab foil stuff looked good. Wing and board too. Just sent Radiculo the little stupid part of the video where I inserted his face. He’s stoked to come to Hood.
@mekanism12002 ай бұрын
Great video Rob. Kane has essentially copied what high performance sailplanes have been using for decades with that foil design and the concave bottom section. If I wasn't already invested in Axis I would consider KT for a foil system. I have a KT board and love it! Thanks for the vid!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
Awesome. I’ll have to take a look at that.
@Mr.kitefoiler2 ай бұрын
Nice, thanks so much
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
You’re welcome!
@victorvelasco86972 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
Awwww man. Thanks so much!
@obx_foiler2 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed your AWSI coverage!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
This makes me happy! Thank you so much
@michaelc53782 ай бұрын
Where was F-One?
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
They were there. I mention what happened briefly in my final thoughts but I tried to get Luca V to show us around but he was off doing team rider things and F-One wasn’t unveiling any new gear at the show because new stuff was unreleased. I figure there’s plenty of f-one content out there with their current stuff.
@ming00n2 ай бұрын
Thanks
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
No no no thank you! Grateful
@galind7212 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
Welcome!
@galind7212 ай бұрын
Благодарим ви!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
nyama za kakvo! Thank you so much for the support!
@ladomi12 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for the support! Amazing!
@503Foil2 ай бұрын
Nice video, and thanks for your effort!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
Thanks. You’re welcome!
@PoseidonMalibuCA2 ай бұрын
Wow! You packed a lot into this video. Lots of great info. Especially nice since I couldn’t make it this year. Hope to see you in the water soon! -Christian
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
Yo. Heard it’s been good down there though! You gotta get the inland Armstrong riders out to join the Malibu Armstrongers!
@brucemiranda53942 ай бұрын
Best AWSI video this year, thank you for making this!!!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
There wasn’t a lot of competition this year. Just me and Winglife! He’s a cool dude too.
@drytransfer19392 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
Honestly. So much aloha!!!
@mnely2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
Yo. You guys are so nice!!!
@MrWAYMAKA2 ай бұрын
Thanks for including chapters and making it easy to navigate. I can tell a lot of time went into making this.
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
Yoooo! You are amazing. Thanks for the support! As much time as I could spend and still get it out by the weekend!
@conorprovan94352 ай бұрын
i mean this was epicly informative being new to wing foiling. so thank you. But more confused than ever where to get into the up to date stuff. For a 180 pound person wanting to wing and downwind surf in socal conditions 12-16 kts on good days -what would be anyones go to setup? thanks everyone.
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
If you’re a beginner I still believe the most beneficial setup is a traditional 120L board, 6-7m good hand wing, and a big foil. Later you can move onto a 90L hybrid board, 5-6m wing, and higher efficiency foil, but trying to learn on that gear will absolutely be no fun and delay your progress unless you have a serious Windsports background. Also traditional learning gear can be found cheap on the used market
@conorprovan94352 ай бұрын
@@wingmanfoilclub ok. Awesome info. Appreciate the response. Any 120L brand/model you recommend?
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
@conorprovan9435 if you go to my website under Wingfoiling -> How to Wingfoil Series you’ll see an episode on beginner gear. It links to a video with Josh from The Foil Shop and then below it in the replies I’ve written a MASSIVE dissertation on beginner boards, wings, and foils. Should answer most of your questions. But anything a couple years old that is cheap and not too narrow should work! wingmanfoilclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58 Edit: You do need to sign up (free) to view the pictures.
@scottseale2 ай бұрын
Nice highlight vid. No Fone there this year?
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
They were there but I ran out of steam in the heat and Luca V went to ride instead of talking to me. They weren’t announcing new gear because their new stuff is still unreleased, so nothing new for me to add that isn’t already out in the many team rider videos.
@scottseale2 ай бұрын
@@wingmanfoilclub Got it, thanks!
@larsdegroot2 ай бұрын
Very nice video. And the right questions asked! Really looking forward to test the KT foils.Great video!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
Gotta keep my reputation as the hard hitting journalist and no BS reviewer of foiling what with all the brand ambassadors posting their fake reviews. It’s tempting to feed brands a bunch of softballs for free gear, but damn ethics keeping me in the poor house. The KTs do look fun. I will have to do a real riding review with LAfoiler.
@AkSeapilot2 ай бұрын
For some reeason (not sure why) i haven't watched or seen one of your videos in a long time. - set to be alerted to all of them.. Thanks for creating this content.. still watching but it looks like you took some time etc.. So little awsi videos out with exception of winglife this year.. Hopefully grabs you lots more subs!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
I launched the How to Wingfoil Series earlier this year and a few other things but they didn’t really catch on, and I even got a few negative nellys in the comments on some of the stuff I did make, so I haven’t been as inclined to make content. Not to mention I think most gear is “good enough” now and I don’t want to just make videos reviewing stuff to sell to people when their foils are fine. We’ll have to reevaluate where we go from here, but know that I really value genuine viewers like yourself! There was a smaller media presence this year and the show itself felt smaller. It could have just been the heat and lack of wind though. Or maybe foiling has hit some growing pains. The winglife guy is a super nice dude and did a great job.
@njgoodchild2 ай бұрын
Great video! So good to see so much in one video!
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
Thanks. It’s my preferred format for this because people can jump around with the chapters or watch straight through and maybe see a brand they hadn’t heard about.
@sliekerstar2 ай бұрын
I will never buy another dakine product ever again
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
Did you have quality control issues?
@sliekerstar2 ай бұрын
@@wingmanfoilclub I have some expensive shorts which had both zippers fail in less than a year with their name on them
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
@sliekerstar that’s too bad. I’m guessing their apparel is separate from their Windsports gear though. There have been some quality control issues on the wing gear (like the luff handles on the Cyclone V1), but I have been quite happy with my Dakine Cyclone V2s, and I’ve loved their footstraps for years! Let me know if you need contact info for their warranty department, and I’ll try and pass it along. I know they’re working hard to maintain good customer service.
@JasonKadlec2 ай бұрын
Adrian Roper most well spoken guy. Fireball I think going to give code and KT a run for the money.
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
He’s a great guy. It’s definitely one of the interesting new DW foils. Been hearing good things. Those tooth pick tails might be the real cheat code though.
@Alfonso_1112 ай бұрын
Axis were off the pace at M2O. I'm guessing their riders were on the Fireball?
@wingmanfoilclub2 ай бұрын
@Alfonso_111 I don’t know the full list, but I know some were like the twins who did really well, and I know even some other pro riders chose to ride them. I think Kai Lenny and Tom Constant… don’t quote me though. They told me but I’ve forgotten exactly who.
@Alfonso_1112 ай бұрын
@wingmanfoilclub Hey, thanks for the content btw! 🙏
@Alfonso_1112 ай бұрын
@JasonKadlec KT is looking interesting. Clean sheet design and new ideas. Can't wait to try!