Why do they force us to play "circular saw" when the weapon is called "charge blade"? For me, the appeal was that you build up the charge to unleash it in one powerful attack, while also having a ton of other options for different situations. It was the most versatile weapon that's like a swiss knife. Yet now it feels like switch axe 2.0

Subbed. I feel like they're moving more towards unifying SAED and power axe, which I really like. Here's my unrealistic wishlist for CB in wilds: - Power axe is activated by having sword and shield charged simultaneously. Duration of sword charge increased to better fit. After all, sword + shield = axe, right? Right now sword charge feels like a goofy afterthought, this brings it into standard rotation while also fixing the annoying ways you currently have to get power axe mode. Also why not bring back firing pins while we're at it? - Sword charge now consumes phials similar to shield. Elemental roundslash now charges sword rather than shield. Condensed element slash when performed with 5 overcharged phials will fully charge shield and sword at once. Now with the new shield charge ability introduced in Wilds, this leaves us with one way to charge sword, one way to charge shield, and one way to charge both at once. Sword charge requiring phials is also important for other reasons I'll get into. - In order to end the conflict of phial consumption between SAED and power axe, power axe no longer consumes any phials (including AED) except for SAED. Power axe will also retain the elemental discharge effects of ED1, ED2 and AED regardless of current phial count. This is why sword charge being a prerequisite for power axe and requiring phials is important, this is where the time collecting resources for power axe now goes. I realize the further decoupling of 1 phial = 1 discharge could potentially harm the resource management aspect, but considering you'll still want to have phials ready to go for an SAED opportunity, the playstyle will still largely be kept intact. - Baseline morph slash out of axe mode is the Rise version with the guard point at the beginning. This further harmonizes SAED and power axe by providing an accessible guard point into SAED while in axe mode. - Reintroduce an overhauled energy blade! This ability requires and consumes both sword and shield charge as well as 5 phials. The damage output of this move compared to SAED would be such that energy blade would only be optimal when your sword and shield charges are about to expire anyway, so this doesn't make SAED obsolete. This would be a very satisfying move to pull off to just unload all your stored energy in one big attack. Curious to know what you think. Great Video!

To fix the issue of having to do an AED doing the SAED: just change the combo string so for the SAED do:🔺, ⭕️+🔺, ⭕️+🔺, like normal and do:🔺, ⭕️+🔺, ⭕️+🔺,⭕️, to cancel into the AED. As for marrying the to play styles have savage axe function more like condensed spinning slash in which you gain files while in savage axe mode and then discharge the files with the SAED.

When the second demo comes out we should all fil up the survey again to let them know how we feel. In world or iceborne (cant remember which one) there was a day 1 patch that changed a lot of things, from motion values to straight up some weapon mechanics

Devs need to understand that it's ok for weapons to be a little overtuned in a PvE game like MonHun. Look at 4U CB ! Nerfing stuff too much just ends up making the game dull without much of an upside.

Devs need to understand that it's ok for weapons to be a little overtuned in a PvE game like MonHun. Look at 4U CB ! Nerfing stuff too much just ends up making the game dull without much of an upside.

What I would like is if you had red phials with the load shells deco you would get 5 normal phials and 5 overcharged in 1 go, oh and SAED from sword mode. That or buff the extra damage from overcharged phials

I really hope SAED will be better in the final game. Counter SAED playstyle is what made me fall in love with cb. I don't even mind the extended aed combo. Counter saed itself is still there. What annoys me to no end is that saeds damage output has been nerfed. More work for less payoff? That's just stupid. Something that I felt was really good for SAED and savage axe working together was the alternative way to switch from axe to sword with the guard point at the beginning of the animation in risebreak. That way counter saed can be reliably used in axe mode. Also something that could counteract the current nerf of saed would be to have savage axe either double the phial damage of saed or also half it's phial use. Why should it buff every move other than saed. That way it would also promote a hybrid playstyle where you always want to go savage axe but are also not punished for using saed.

The Beta made me fall in love with savage axe, whereas prior I didn’t use the charge blade at all. Still, my satisfaction with the weapon changes doesn’t blind me to how it might upset other players, especially those who’ve used the weapon longer than I.

Man i just picked up this weapon, used buzzsaw for rey dau, had an immaculate amount of fun. Seeing this discussion is like the meme of the dude walking into the living room on fire.

There's really no identity Crisis for Charge Blade either Savage Axe, Aed into Saed spam or do both, currently Savage axe has no dedicated activation combo but is locked to 3 activation options, Aed and Saed can be engaged the old fashioned way.The disaster of Rise Chargeblade already showed Capcom that gimping both forms and bolstering them with skills and buffs is pointless, because SAED spamming has less maintenance. Iceborne was more the sweet spot where both were useful but people maintained their preferences, Wilds is just taking the next logical step of making all possible, meta and optimal are completely unimportant to general gameplay.

Really hate that they changed this, I loved the SAED spam even if it's not meta, but this new moveset is awful. IG too, not sure why they are removing what makes the game fun 😔 instead of just adding new weapons/weapon sets

I get that they want SAED to not be spammed as hard. And I think there's a middle ground that's better than making it conditional as a counter/AED followup OR just going back to exactly how it was. Just make it so that you still need the charged shield, AND at least one overcharged phial to get the SAED to come out without any of the additional conditions. Might not be a full solution, but that's just my thoughts on a middle ground to keep SEAD playstyle viable without just fully reverting.

The biggest problem with the savage axe from the beta is that ED 2 is way too powerful and/or AED and follow up are too weak. ED 1, ED 2 combo out damages AED, follow up combo which is nuts. It means it’s better to roll then ED1 instead of block then AED. No point in even blocking anymore at this rate. Power clash is kinda meh also it just takes too long and kinda breaks the flow. I think there will be many skills that incentivize power clash/offset such as the doshu skill. CB should have had an offset. I won’t make any judgements until release because even comparing the gamescom demo to the beta the phial damage of AED and follow up from gamescom did 30x2 and 30x3 respectively while in the beta they were brought down to 17 (all with over charge). This alone turns the tides in favor of an AED counter centric playstyle. The follow up was only doing around 65 damage MV + 10x4 ticks so the phial damage is essentially doubling that in the gamescom version which is an insane amount of phial damage from an exhaust(?) phial Tokuda only knows what elemental going to be looking like.

I like both styles tbh so ill end up using both SAED and Pizza cutter.

I would love it if saed in savage axe mode used half of your phials but output the full phial damage

I made a whole build out of Air Dash spam in Sunbreak. Spinning axe plus the bullet plus hyper armor put out massive DPS, almost meta amounts.

tbh i like the change.

Will pass up on CB this time. I wanted the SnS SAES playstyle, and they killed it.

I mean everything they added favors savage axe immensely and hurts SAED severely its sad cause sunbreak has both of them viable they could’ve improved based on that and I hope they gave some more love to SAED again

sunbreak saed is over tuned for element, while impact is what i believe the damage output supposed to be. to be fair i not a fan of saed spam playstyle, it become a gamble if the monster flinches or not to punish you what i found lacking in CB is in the axe moveset, it doesnt have good flowing combo especially the triangle combo, circle combo if far to limiting and also far to risky to maintain. i feel that counter morph axe to sns should be the norm for axe mode it need somekind of safety net. also shield boost should just be axe boost, and just make shield boosted mode as base sns mode. if they want axe mode to be the main attraction they should at least make the journey of using it less tedious and more rewarding. they just need to make axe an appealing mode to use instead of bonking or head with annoying bs. they could made axe mode hit 3 times like rise lance leaping thrust but no, they need to feature bloat on already convoluted system pizza cutter is cool and all, the execution is just unimaginative lots of jank. sunbreak tried to make something of it but, the limited axe moveset makes it unexciting and too tedious to setup from sns form, and too unorthodox to regular Cb user. i rather get good axe mode than pizza cutter, pizza cutter is a band aid for how lacking axe mode is

but why do people think that you can't just use both? you can SAED with savage axe. i don't know if i like the changes either, especially when other weapons have gotten all that it has in wilds why not use the whole kit instead of just spamming a single move? i guess i feel like i can charge my phials well enough that i don't really need to worry about using them and using the SAED as a finisher seems much more in line with how the move should be used instead of how i see many players using it to drop a big hit on a monster before fainting

What I really don't like about Wilds savage axe is that's closer to rise's version than iceborne. Needing to hold down the button for extra hits and the extra hitlag just feel more clunky to me. I would've also just preferred if they made doing counter AED to spend phials and do damage outside of downs instead of Just doing the savage axe combos on any opening because nothing else compares to the damage of it.

People talking about a weapons "identity" sound as stupid as people preaching identity politics. Charge blade is amazing damage but trash to use. True charge slash is ok damage but trash to use. They haven't changed these weapons around to be more like eachother, nothing is losing it's "identity" it's becoming more fun to play. And you tiny little people that get on the internet telling people to "git gud" or whatever can shove that crap up your anus because video games are supposed to be fun. If you don't want to have fun playing a game and you want to feel like you're superior to everyone because you pressed a button, go back to pre nerf radahn and leave the rest of video games alone.

I wish lance had more drill attacks. Lance identity is vanishing pretty quickly with how many weapons are good at countering now

Mfs who played CB in rise: GLORY TO THE CPP!

I love the buff to savage axe. I wanted it to have more utility. But I DID NOT want it to replace SAED. I try to use both playstyles. I use the axe to create wounds and topple the monster so I can SAED while it's on the ground.

It’s called “charged AXE” in Japanese. So there you go for identity. Axe mode.

Personally I think this is a good direction for the cb. I never liked the idea of spamming saed because it's suppose to be your Big Strong Move, your "dumping everything you have accumulated in one attack" so spamming it seems cheap and speedrunny.. A good change you suggested was to up the damage because right now it's still a bit too weak compared to playing really well with the savage axe. Nonetheless I really like that's it's a more difficult and convoluted to access it. Pulling this shit in combat is now as satisfying as it was when I first picked the cb. As for savage axe I guess this is subjective but I don't understand the hate, I am a big fan of those "transforming" trick weapon like the swaxe it's such a cool concept being able to choose a different mode for a different situation and imo we're pretty close to a 50/50 now for casual play. There some not-so-accessible conditions to get to the savage axe, and you still need the s&s mode to replenish your ressources; plus it's safer to use so there's also a risk/reward situation that is really appealing. You talk about "having to choose one or the other" for optimal play but you must take the distribution of skill in consideration. New players will use mostly the safer s&s mode; veteran and super players will use the savage axe; and finally the absolute MAJORITY of player (like 90% really) will dabble with both in a really non-optimal but informed kind of way.. If the game is so easy that you can stay in the "optimal" savage axe mode all the way on ALL monsters of this game then I have bad news for you : you solved MH you can retire now haha I agree that the weapon is not perfect (again I would like more damages on the saed and I don't like that you can target it that well with focus mode) but damn this is such a fun and versatile iteration of the weapon for real this is THE ressource management weapon so much shit to think about, so much decision making.. The overcharged is a great new addition for that too. As for weapon identity I'm really glad that capcom moves things around take some risks (and it's still too mild honestly), this is a new game I want new shit! I want my tools to be different I want to be surprise! please don't make this licence become like call of duty or fifa... I don't remember who said it but "Do you like the licence or do you like the game?" I think that's a great question to ask yourself. To conclude I would like to say that we should calm down on the stats and speedrunning times.. super players will always find ways to abuse the game it's how they find there fun, balancing a game around them should almost never be done. Yes we can do some tweaking if we see some absurd disparity like 5 minutes difference between a savage axe player and a saed player but right now it's pretty it can be adjusted but it's not "killing the weapon" come on. At the end of the day we're here to have fun and do some cool shit right? idk that may be just me Sorry for the long post haha have a good day!

What are the chances skills on weapons can actually affect the moveset lol, or at least heavily favour spinning axe or SAED. This way it would justify having charge blades as both primary and secondary weapons - one set up for SAED, one set up for savage axe. 😂

I really hope that some of the kit that we are used to is locked behind armor skills. Still a nerf but maybe they want us to build into whatever identity we choose.

Thank you for the great video, never thought about the concept of draining each others ressources, but it makes totally sense. This limits the duality and all the other problems follow this (like armour skills)

Imagine if they hard buffed the longsword red gauge combo, and locked helmbreaker behind a special sheathe attack. The longsword community would lose their shit.

fantastic guide, helping me here a year later! easily the most well organized content on this topic.

didn't even notice the quick shield charge move when i played. forcing the use of a barrel bomb to get into savage axe is stupid though and they should really give an easier way to do it in combat

I think they will make guard point equal to perfect guard in damage afterwards. Guard point is done by those extremely skilled with CB.

i wish guard point activates savage.

Hi i am new with charge blade just wanna ask how you do quick switch from axe to shield while rajang doing beam?

Unfortunately I didn't have the chance to try the beta, so hopefully they'll do another one or release an official demo closer to full release. As for my thoughts from what I've seen, I like that the weapon is more about using axe attacks besides SAED, although I am personally not a fan of Savage Axe for a few different reasons. The phial usage reduction seems to eliminate the need to use the sword and shield for long periods of time. Many players have just been spamming axe attacks for ages with very minimal sword and shield usage. I also dislike that Savage Axe activation can't be done on demand, excluding the barrel bomb tech. Truthfully I don't really know why Savage Axe needs to be a "mode" at all now, since it doesn't directly conflict with the SAED playstyle anymore. Finally, I wish guard pointing wasn't just a strictly worse perfect guard, but I guess the axe > sword guard point could still be situationally useful. Overall, I would like to see some changes regarding Savage Axe mode, but I am very happy for the changes made to AED's ending animation and the new follow-up.

Not giving quick strings into SAED aside, it seems to me even when you do manage to get an SAED off, you are _always_ going to be too close, and thus whiff the phial explosions on monsters that aren't massive in size? I enjoyed charge blade most for SAED spam (in RiseBreak lol) but more specifically spacing those SAEDs to try land both the tip of the slam and all of the explosions... so Wilds version might not be as fun (for me). But then, swaxe didn't seem as fun to use either when I tried first hand during the beta-demo... 🙁 Maybe I'm changing more than game is changing...

I like the nerf of the super. I prefer having to commit to it and using it in certain situation instead of just spamming it. Spamming it removed the need of improving the Axe playstyle and I really like how the new version kinda force you back into it like the old games. I really like this new moveset and will probably main it again.... BETA was amazing. Cant wait for February.

Really not a fan of Guard Point being a weaker version of perfect guard. It should definitely have the same power/savage-followup with the added benefit of the phial damage due to being the riskier option. Other than that, CB felt really good when I was testing it out in the beta.

It is nice to get your take as I was not in a mood to play during the beta so I did not really have fun testing the weapons

Thank you for the overview! I haven't tested CB, but I will try it in the game

Charge blade is definitely my main but I’m considering learning gunlance as my second. Currently my second is switch axe