WHOA! Thank you so much for the supercomment! That is so nice of you!!! I am glad you enjoy the show and thanks for being part of the community!

older native games still only run on X11 an many games just get ported to linux to run native then forgotten.

Thanks for commenting and sharing your thoughts. Breaking compatibility is certainly not good but in some ways it can be good in the long run like with trying to push Wayland forward for example. I dont think it is fair to say that Ubuntu is breaking debs for snaps though because they arent breaking debs necessarily, but instead they are focused on snaps because debs do have massive flaws and these flaws need something to address them. I like flatpaks better but snaps are bettter than debs in some ways. If you are referring to the app center not installing deb files anymore, they didnt do that for years even when the Software Center was DEB based because it is a different purpose. The Mac App Store doesnt launch when installed DMG files and Windows Store doesnt launch when EXE files are installed. Ubuntu's App Center doesnt have to support DEB files that are downloaded from the internet in my opinion, but they do need to support them in some way which is why they should just install "gdebi" by default. gdebi sole purpose is to install local deb files which is similar to how Mac has a DMG utility. I'd be okay with that. Compatibility on the other hand can't be provided forever . . . otherwise every Linux distro wouldn't be able to drop support for 32 bit hardware. 64 bit hardware has been the goto for 20 years and 32bit hardware isnt made anymore so keeping compatibility with those on new distro releases would be unnecessary but some people got really mad because they wanted to keep using super old hardware. As for Wayland, they are trying to make things work which is why people have been working on it for around 16 years but it takes time. For direct comparison sake, it took X 22 years to become a solid option for those looking to use Linux. Display Server timelines: First release: X = 1984 Wayland = 2008 The point of which Linux became a solid option for a large amount of people was around 2006. X had been out for 22 years and X11 had been out for 19 years at this time . . . yes X11 was the last major version of X and it was released in 1987. There is a reason it needs replacing.

And then do a full install anyway because upgrading never works fully, always some odd issue

I said this in the video but where he works was not relevant to finding it, it was just coincidental

I did not say it was the only possibility for issues, but rather I said that’s all that happened to me.

@@michael_tunnell I wonder, am I doing anything wrong? Does audacity and it's main cursor work for you with kde and wayland?

I dont have an answer for you because I do not use Audacity, I do not think it is that good. I use it only when I have to. Have you tried the fork Tenacity? That might work better.

@@michael_tunnell hi, I didn't know that this exists. Unfortunately I also didn't find a package for opensuse

doesnt look like it is packaged for opensuse but there is a verified Flatpak at flathub.org/apps/org.tenacityaudio.Tenacity again, not saying this is a solution, I have no idea lol

KDE Plasma is not supported in Mint at all so while you can do this, I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone new to Linux, I would just tell them to use Kubuntu.

LOL what?! At what point in the video was I passive aggressive? I think you are just seeing me being tired but I’m curious where you see it that way

Thanks for commenting and sharing your thoughts, my response to your question is "probably a couple more years". The context of that answer expresses that in a good way because Wayland is very very close to done and when you compare it to the Xorg timeline, it is drastically faster than X development. For direct comparison sake, it took X 22 years to become a solid option for those looking to use Linux. X was first released in 1984. The point of which Linux became a solid option for a large amount of people was around 2006. X had been out for 22 years and X11 had been out for 19 years at this time . . . yes X11 was the last major version of X and it was released in 1987. Wayland is taking a while but less than X and X had nothing to be compared to and Wayland is trying to replace something that has been in use for 40 years . . . its a lot to do.

@@michael_tunnell its been 10 years though, more than that, by the time wayland gets "ready", it may as well be almost as old as x was or is soon.

Yes, Wayland is taking a while, in fact its been developed for almost 16 years now. Yea I think maybe it takes 2 more years and a total of 18 years to replace X11 but that is 4 years faster than Xorg did it in and Xorg in 2006 was still far from solid. I dont think it was until 2010 that Linux desktop became average user friendly to use. Here's the thing though Wayland is having to do this while having to implement 4 decades worth of feature parity. If they only need 2 more years to do it then I would find that rather impressive. X was competing with nothing and didnt have to offer feature parity with anything. Wayland has to replace a massive project that has had 4 decades of development and is required to offer feature parity. This is a very difficult thing to do and takes a lot of time. A display server is one of the most core components of a desktop solution so it is going to be a mountain to climb to replace one so I am not all that surprised it is taking so long and a drop in replacement where most people never notice the change is what is needed from Wayland. This is a very hard thing to do at any level but at this level its kind of insane.

I didn’t know that was a thing to cover 🤷‍♂️

God I hate YAML when it's longer than one screen, or with more than 3-4 levels of indentation.... It's seriously fragile, and config doesn't need more ways to break.

understandable decision and yes, Nvidia still has issues with Wayland. I covered some news on a previous episode that will fix that in a few months or so but right now it is still an problem. I am curious if you have tried Plasma and have the same problems. I think you might with Fedora 40 KDE as it will have Wayland only but Kubuntu 24.04 supports X11. It's not Plasma 6 but Plasma 5 is very good too so I think Kubuntu is worth looking into if you haven't. Alternatively, just keeping Mint Cinnamon is a solid option too. :D

@@michael_tunnell Last time I tried Kde was few months after debian 12 came out and I had very similar issues. But no, I have not tried it on Fedora yet. Also I just tested these on live USB. To be fair maybe if I had fully installed and updated, it could work out (I did this with debian and it didn't). I am going to wait for a bit more. Mint works for now but Clem says he will eventually move to wayland too. I hope Wayland gets good with nvidia drivers very soon.

Modify /etc/default/grub and add nvidia_drm.modeset=1 in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT. Regenerate grub.cfg by running grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg Reboot. The line will look like this : GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="loglevel=3 quiet nvidia_drm.modeset=1 "

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What part was TMI? It was a monster size episode so I dont disagree but which parts specifically lol

​@@michael_tunnell No, that's not it. I felt like the topics were all interesting; it just felt like too many in the same video.

LOL oh I gotcha. I saw TMI as "being excessive" on a specific topic as in I made a topic go too long and be boring. If you just meant TMI as in too much overall then yea I could see that since it was a pretty long episode. The reason I laughed though is because it amuses me based on the history of this show. You are saying there are too many topics and if you go back far enough you will find that some episodes ranged from 12-25 topics and the duration of these episodes were minimum 35 minutes with the longest being 1 hour 10 minutes 51 seconds. LOL adding to my amusement is that I removed 2 topics slots this episode because I knew it would be a long one 😆

Thanks a lot! I am working on trying to build up this channel more and more so if all goes well then it should get much bigger. :D

huh their battle will be legendary

flathub >>>

That’s the great thing about Linux. We can have two, or three, or 10! 😊

Both are very inefficient. I tried some flatpaks but they use more resources. Like ram and storage.

​@@J-wm4ss Native Binary Packages>appimages/potable tar>flatpak>snaps.

Using fprint-open on popos, I'm sure it's the same for fedora

@@GabrielGabeRodriguez taking up your advice after research i found out my device (goodix fingerprint device) is on the unsupported list for fprint thanks anyway

@@GabrielGabeRodriguez after some research i found out that my fedora comes with fprint but it doesn't support my sensor it's listed in their page for unsupported devices thanks anyway

I think you are trying to make fun of me with the "AWESOME" part as it seems sarcastic. I don't care about that but your comment includes inaccuracies and misinterpretation of what I said about DSL. I didnt say DSL was a poor choice, DSL was a name that was very accurate but it's not really all that true anymore because TinyCore was bigger than DSL and is now significantly smaller than DSL due to this change. DSL is also not trying to be a mainstream professional project so it doesnt really matter. I warned that I was saying it because I have had hundreds of people thank me for making a clean language show so they can listen to it while their kids are in the room and never have to worry about it. The amount of crap I was given because I am a polite person is pretty sad and silly. Riot was the first name of the Element client, Matrix protocol was always just Matrix. Though the Matrix name is not a good name because they are competing with the name of one of the most popular movie franchises ever made. Element is better than Riot and I covered this on TWIL years ago when they changed it to Element but it's not the best name ever and doesnt really matter since the Matrix name isnt good either. GIMP is a objectively terrible name for any project that wants to be taken seriously . . . and the original developers purposefully chose it as a joke and left the project before the 1.0 was ever released over 25 years ago. It's a bad name, they knew that, and didn't care . . . then they left because they dont care about it and no one has been willing to fix the name so GIMP isn't taken seriously by the industry and never will be. It is what it is.

@@michael_tunnell Hi Michael, I am a long time listener to TWIL, and look forward to you professional up beat delivery. I sent you a message last year (and you responded) about my drawing attention to importance of "clean shows", having a wider appeal then many who don't. I take correction on Matrix protocol vs Riot come Element, clients. We share dislike of bad name unnecessary overhead. I was going to say your show is really "AWESOME", but you might take offence, so I'll just say it is good enough instead. Just kidding ! Your show is better than "AWESOME" ! LOL - I look forward to next episode of TWIL.

First of all, why the "AWESOME" in quotes? If the show is awesome, why must it be surrounded by quotations? LOL Seriously though, thanks for watching the show, I am glad you enjoy it. To clarify something, when I said I received a lot of hate, I was not including your comment in that but rather this episode had many comment threads yelling at me for censoring myself or whatever when I didnt even censor myself LOL the internet is weird. The latest episode was released yesterday and it is a very good one I think. I put a lot of editing effort into this one lol you should go watch that one immediately :D

@@michael_tunnell In the Linux-sphere, it is a minority of shows, that do it clean. I had to stop listening. I am just down to two now. TWIL & Ask Noah. Keep up the good work.😉

Well there is definitely one missing in your list then and that’s Destination Linux 😎 destinationlinux.net

I agree that GNOME is easier but that’s because it’s so much more limited than KDE Plasma. KDE’s Wayland support was good in Plasma 5 but it is great in Plasma 6. A couple notes though, Linux Mint doesn’t have GNOME as an option , in case you switch you’ll likely want to use Cinnamon. Lastly, Ubuntu’s GNOME implementation is very different from the default offering that GNOME gives so it’s a pretty big difference in ease of use comparing to vanilla GNOME

I do that in the video, I say sponsored by in the video and it’s also the first thing in the description

@@michael_tunnell ok, I have no problem with sponsors, but it is good to have it marked from the real content. Except this, a great channel with good information, thanks!

I think it is fair to say it could be more clear but I try to be transparent. I suppose the wording of this one needs improvement. Thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching and the kind words about the content. Expect more content coming soon. :D

This episode is from 3 years ago, what kind of update info were you expecting from a 3 year old coverage? Instead try the latest one from 3 months ago, kzbin.info/www/bejne/onPLmH6phdVjfbs

I agree, that is a really cool feature of LXQt

Button up that thumb smash?

You don’t like it, some people do. Can’t please everyone. Besides I’ve been saying this for over 200 episodes, it’s now expected by many

@@michael_tunnell Time for an online survey!

That’s cool, feel free to stay 😎