Fedora 39, OLED Steam Deck, UBports, LXQt, Immutable Ubuntu & more Linux news

On this episode of TWIL (241), Fedora announces the latest release with Fedora Linux 39. Valve shocked the gaming world with a new updated Steam Deck. UBports has released a new update for Ubuntu Touch. Speaking of Ubuntu, Ubuntu has announced a technical preview of the Ubuntu Core Desktop edition. All of this and more on this episode of This Week in Linux, Your Source for Linux GNews!
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:37 Fedora Linux 39 Released
04:39 Ubuntu Core Linux Developer Preview
07:50 Steam Deck OLED Announced
13:29 LINBIT
14:54 KDE Plasma 6.0 Alpha Released
17:51 LXQt Desktop 1.4 Released
20:53 OpenELA Publishes Initial Source Code
23:44 Asahi Linux Finds Bugs for macOS Sonoma Boot Failures
25:20 Ubuntu Touch 20.04 OTA-3 Released
26:23 GIMP 2.10.36 Released
28:40 Outro
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[@louisfifteen]

Thanks for your great work on both this channel and from your trip to the Ubuntu Summit in Riga. I'm running the Fedora 39 Desktop and I'm loving it. No issues and everything running fast and smooth.

[@DanielClear2]

GIMP naming "issue" is overblown. Such a first world problem. Most of its users don't even know what it means in slang. Also the name definitely isn't the one holding it back, its features and workflow do.

[@thingsiplay]

Names beside, to me the workflow and how everything works is the reason why I am using it over Krita. It really needs some basic features that is available in Krita, but for whatever reason I don't like working in Krita. I tried it multiple times since years (its currently installed too), but the editing text or editing images just is not as good as in GIMP. However, I really really like the vector tools and non destructive editing. This is something GIMP will get... but it takes ages.

[@DanielClear2]

@@thingsiplay Krita is not an alternative to GIMP by design. It's focused for drawing. I'm a graphic designer, mainly a UI designer but I sometimes do graphic design and sadly, Photoshop is simply required on professional area. I do rest of my work on Figma.

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

Yeah, the bigger issue is that people feel comfortable with complaining about the name and trying to change it without worrying about getting shunned. If you hate gimps so much that you refuse to refer to them with an application name and give them that small honor, that's a problem with you, not the software.

[@michael_tunnell]

@DanielClear2 check out PenPot as an alternative to Figma

[@michael_tunnell]

“Most of the ***users*** don’t know what it means”. This doesn’t address the issue. Most of the people who know what it means won’t use it. This is how it works. Due to this unfortunate and terrible name, it has not place in professional usage. • ⁠Professional designers will not promote it on their resume/cv and when asked about it, most make fun of it. About 20 years ago, I had it on my Resume/CV but I did so under the term GNU IMP because that was less horrible. After a while, I removed it entirely when I was informed of just how bad it looked from a potential employer. Mostly because it’s simply not good enough of an application for professionals to care. • ⁠Companies will not support financially because they have zero confidence in the project because if a project insists on using such a stupid name for over 20 years, it shows their decision making skills are not great. They cant implement GIMP in their workflow because it cant do any professional level stuff and because it is a pariah regarding its branding, no one will be willing to put their company brand behind it to financially get it to a level of professional competence. • ⁠Educational institutions will not add it to their curriculum because the name often violates their policies in some way or another. Thus no one will be taught it in schools and thus no momentum is built for the project. The GIMP name holds it back, it also provides zero value to the project and that is why it is such a shame people insist on keeping it.

[@Karti200]

Correction about SteamDeck OLED APU - some games might run faster not because of APU, because it is still the same APU, only moved from 7nm to 6nm. Games might run faster because MEMORY got updated from 5400MT/s to 6600MT/s While APU move from 7nm to 6nm - makes it take a bit less of power, so that equals longer battery life -> mix it with higher battery capacity of OLED SteamDeck and poof! Great upgrade

[@user-ih8ku2rb8b]

來自台灣的訂閱，感謝KZbin強大的字幕翻譯功能！ 非常好的資訊，加油！

[@guilherme5094]

👍Thanks Michael.

[@walter_lesaulnier]

I've been using Fedora with KDE Plasma for about 8 months now and LOVE it. Extremely reliable and stable. I have not had a single problem that required my intervention in all this time. And it came natively with Wayland.

[@caseycu]

GIMP should probably change their name if only to be a more attractive project for corporate donors.

[@marcusjohansson668]

Colors in bash?? Did you mean: "Fedora now ships with a bash configuration"? xD

[@prateekSpace]

after canonical and RHEL drama i moved to Debian 12 with KDE 🚀 (Arch and Debian best ✨)

[@michael_tunnell]

In my opinion, most of the drama around Canonical and RHEL is unjustified. Some of it is true but most of it isn’t but with that said, it’s not a bad choice to use Debian :)

[@TimothyCarter]

I love the name Gimp (mainly BECAUSE it's "controversial"). I really hope they do NOT change it.

[@conan_kudo]

I'd love a video about the whole EL thing... It's a huge confusing mess. :(

[@tmendoza6]

Almost forgot Linux news baby lets go!

[@yashagarwal8741]

Its actually good for me that they have shifted ti Noto fonts for indic languages. It made it simpler for me to read My native language

[@tostoday]

The last time I tested Firefox Snap I grew a beard waiting for it to load :)

[@jimcabezola3051]

This Asahi Linux thing is complex. My M1 Mac Mini with macOS Sonoma upgraded itself to 14.1. I'm pleased to say that, so far, my multi-boot still works. (Hold on...let me reboot that machine. Yep! Still good.). I shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth. I'm happy it works, still. THis has stopped me from trying out the latest LXQT with Asahi Linux for now. I run LXQT on this potato of a laptop running LMDE 6. Mahalo for yet another great TWIL that isn't swill, but is indeed swell!

[@niamotullah99]

Immutable Ubuntu can be a game changer

[@terraflops]

talk about GIMP, i would like to know more.

[@comesignotus9888]

An update: have to withdraw ny statements, Michael gave a nice clarification below. My original post: "What RedHat did IS in violation of GPL. RHELs new terms of use forbid their cistomers to re-distribute the source code, which is definitely in violation of GPL any version. Concerning other licenses used by various RHEL components this may not be so, but GPL they definitely violated. GPL allows code re-distribution in modified or unmodified form, anyone who talks about "violation of spirit" didn't read the license and didn't read the new RedHat's terms."

[@michael_tunnell]

It does not forbid anyone from redistributing, it adds a terms of service allowing them to cut off access after being redistributed. It is fair to call this a loophole but it’s not a violation because redistribution is possible but continuous access to the source code after redistribution is no longer a guarantee. The GPL says that source code is required to be given to people who receive the binaries, not everyone. The GPL also does not guarantee access to the source code in perpetuity. Thus is why it’s not a violation because the GPL doesn’t not guarantee access to source code in general, it guarantees access to source code for those who receive the binaries. Red Hat changed who they are willing to give binaries and thus changed who they are obligated to give source code to.

[@comesignotus9888]

@@michael_tunnell Thank you for the clarification and apologies for being rude in my original post.

[@michael_tunnell]

You’re welcome and no problem. I respect the fact that you updated your comment. Most of the time in this topic I just get yelled at lol

[@ErickWhite-Gronok]

I really hope that the hot corner still works like it use too, cause I use that all the time, even with two monitors. Course I'm having problems upgrading at the moment anyway.

[@michael_tunnell]

The hot corner is still the same, I’m fairly sure.

[@ErickWhite-Gronok]

@@michael_tunnell I'm so use to it now, when I help friends on their windows box.... I keep throwing my mouse to my hot corner to pull up the start menu.

[@michael_tunnell]

I tend to do this kind of thing for all sorts of features lol

[@oakenfungus]

I've completely turned off the hot corner and instead use the hot edge extension, which basically makes the whole bottom edge of the screen the new hot corner. works great for me

[@that_leaflet]

I don't believe the Ubuntu Core Desktop Developer Preview that Canonical was referring to at the Summit is out yet. I think the article got that wrong. There's been images available for months, but those aren't the official preview. Canonical still has stuff to address before then.

[@michael_tunnell]

Thank you for sharing this information

[@fuseteam]

*priliminary snap support Ubuntu touch does not ship snapd yet

[@MisterSheeple]

It should be noted that Steam Deck OLED pre-orders open at 10 *AM* PT, not PM.

[@michael_tunnell]

Oh dang it!!!!

[@Derpingtonshere]

I just want to say you are criminally underrated content creator for the Linux community. Your content is amazing and informative. You have a loyal subscriber now and honestly wish I knew about you earlier.

[@michael_tunnell]

Wow, thank you so much for the comment! I really appreciate it!

[@thingsiplay]

KDE Neon is a distribution for developers who want to test early. So it is a distribution, but not meant for the end user, rather for developers. Or for any tester who want give early feedback.

[@fuseteam]

According to the kde neon website, it is a repository not an distribution ;)

[@thingsiplay]

​@@fuseteam But it is a distribution of Linux. Regardless of what they call it. I mean isn't every distribution a repository then?

[@michael_tunnell]

If the distribution developers are stating that it is not a distro then that’s the case. As for the other topic, No, not all distros have their own repos so that is not an indicator of something being a distribution.

[@thingsiplay]

@@michael_tunnell Just because it's stated does not change facts. KDE Neon is a distribution of Linux with a desktop attached to it. That's literally what a distribution is. It's even rebasing an existing distribution. It's just the use case is not for the normal end user. But that does not make it not a distribution.

[@michael_tunnell]

What makes it not a distribution is that they say it isn’t one. They do not put effort into the distribution side of things, only the KDE stack and that alone is reason enough to say it isn’t but more importantly it’s not meant for average users and that’s really why I said that. The definition of distribution aside, they claim it’s not a distribution so therefore it isn’t.

[@fuseteam]

Nuuuuu single click to open is betta :v

[@michael_tunnell]

😂😅🤣

[@petar0402]

I really don't see how anyone could find word GIMP offensive. In fact, I'd like to see more apps named that way, I find it funny, not offensive.

[@michael_tunnell]

Thanks for commenting and sharing your thoughts. I understand why it is amusing and why the anti-PC culture is in favor of it but it is more about GIMP becoming something worth caring about. The definitions of the word are all unprofessional at best and the problem is for a project intended for anyone to use it professionally, it can't alienate the industry which this does. It's also worth noting that the original founders of GIMP named it this on purpose to reference Pulp Fiction and also abandoned the project in 1997 which was even before the 1.0 release so it is retaining a legacy for people who haven't cared about it for over 2 decades.

[@petar0402]

@@michael_tunnell I get your point of view and understand it. But, look at it this way; Almost any word in some language can mean something stupid or offensive. For example; Ford Kuga. Kuga in Croatian means plague, yet people in Croatia drive it. We all should be more tolerant, not nitpick about unimportant things like a name of something. It's just a name. You can love it or hate it, no matter what it means.

[@michael_tunnell]

In my opinion, there is a big difference between an English based company releasing something in a country that has accidental offensive word based on translation when compared to a project made by English speaking people to name it an English word they knew was offensive because they explained the origin of the name (they purposefully named it this based on Pulp Fiction). This is not accidental translation issue, this is 2 people who were in college making a project they didnt actually care about, naming it something stupid to seemingly amuse themselves, leaving the project way before it ever mattered and never looking back. This is not a case of being more tolerant, this is a case of doomed to purgatory branding. It will never get momentum with such a terrible name and thus it will never be a viable option. There is literally a webapp, right now, that is better than GIMP and it has had only 30% the development time and was made by one person 90% of that time. That is how badly GIMP is behind. this app is called Photopea and I use it every day professionally.

[@mhmuammar8274]

Adwaita-qt broke UI elements in the name of consistent theming

[@michael_tunnell]

My point is that GNOME should be as courteous as KDE and try to make Qt apps, look native in GNOME. Or I guess vice versa, maybe KDE should not bother with GTK apps

[@mhmuammar8274]

@@michael_tunnell I understand you. I like theming. There should be option for theming. But not breaking features like Adwaita-Qt did. There should be better way to do this like implementing a standard universal API where supported apps will respond to a theme request and decorate itself. Forcing a custom stylesheet on every app breaks UI elements. I couldn't use some Qt apps on my Fedora installation without workarounds because of this hack (and it shouldn't be the case for a userfriendly distro). Custom theming hacks only should be done from the users side (with their own responsibility, not by default by the distro maintainers. This is why there was a dontthememyapp controversy. By the way I am only a Noob user and I do not represent Fedora/Gnome/Qt maintainers/community. They may have their own views and missions. This is just a random user's perspective.

[@michael_tunnell]

I understand the point about not implementing something that causes breakage and that makes sense. I agree with the decision to remove it. I am more bummed by that the fact that is even needed with GNOME. GNOME recently received 1,000,000 Euros . . . I would be fascinated to see a breakdown of where that all goes. I dont think it should just be on the user side because GNOME apps were hideous for at least a couple decades lol so now that they have taken care of that sure I get why they dont want distros theming their apps but to be fair, they didnt give them much choice for a very long time lol. I feel like the "donttememyapp" came off as a pretentious thing rather what they intended.

[@tmendoza6]

LINUX needs to get on and in front of AI integration

[@Tvirus12]

it was a fine name until Pulp Fiction came out, now all i can think about is: Bring out the GIMP!

[@michael_tunnell]

Pulp Fiction came out a year before the project was started. In fact, in an interview with the original developers they stated that GIMP was actually named this on purpose in reference to Pulp Fiction. So many levels of cringe with this project 🤦‍♂️

[@thingsiplay]

About GIMP name. It did not really hold it back. Yes, there are people, organization and places where it holds it back. But not overall in general. It's only a problem for a minority. In fact, GIMP is basically the default image editor on Linux in general. Most people don't know what the word means and even if so, I think its over blown. However, I recognize that the name is a problem for some. That issue can't be talked away and that is not my goal here. I understand why this issue exist. The thing is, the developers don't want to change the name. So a fork with a rebranding would be the go to way. I mean isn't this the spirit of Open Source?

[@michael_tunnell]

Here’s why I think it most certainly did and still does hold it back. Why does the project take so long to add features? Because the team behind it is very small. Why is the team small? Because most businesses want nothing to do with it because the name causes the project to be a pariah. Go back 20 years when Photoshop was not light years ahead of GIMP and think about how many companies didn’t like Adobe and still don’t but yet no one jumped on board. Why is that? Because it’s unprofessional and a PR nightmare for a company to be associated to it. “It’s the default image editor” because there’s not much else especially in open source. Default out of necessity. A fork was attempted. The team received mountains of hate which resulted in them choosing to stop. Also GIMP is simply not worth forking. It’s sad but true. GIMP is inferior to a webapp called Photopea. Photopea has existed for only a third the time GIMP has and it is 1000 times better than GIMP. There is no reason to fork GIMP because starting from scratch takes less time and makes more sense than forking it. GNOME is on GTK4 at the moment and GIMP is still stuck on GTK2. It’s been almost 20 years since the first release of GIMP 2.x branch and very little progress has happened when it comes to professional use case. If the project has a name that wasn’t such a burden then I believe it would have been a contender and received tons of funding due to all the anti-Adobe people out there but sadly they can’t.

[@thingsiplay]

@@michael_tunnell But if the name is such a big issue, then why not fork it? The Glimpse fork team didn't do it correctly. They also wanted change too much and they probably didn't care enough to do it. You say they got hate, but I didn't saw any. I simply think, most people just did not care or did not even know what the word means. I mean we have ton of forks of big projects. So if enough people care, then it would be done. It does not need to be a hard fork, maybe a script that automates some changes, just as the name, some images where the name appears and links. Also Photopea is not an alternative to GIMP, as it is proprietary. I would use proprietary software only, if there is no good alternative (I only speak for myself). Maybe the name does not bother me, because English is not may native language and I have no connection prior to this word. If the name is really the deciding factor why GIMP is hold back, then truly there would have been more serious attempts to fork just to rename it, so they can use it in their institution or whatever it is used. Wouldn't so many people benefit from this?

[@michael_tunnell]

I already explained why forking it is not worth doing. Photopea is an alternative, something being proprietary doesn’t exclude it from being an alternative. Forking GIMP results in hate because so many people are tired of Political Correctness censoring language. I have expressed this opinion for 20 years and every time, I get yelled at. Not as much here because the community here is s friendly community but it still happens often. In fact, we had a debate over this on Destination Linux years ago when Ryan and Noah had never heard of the disabled person slur version. They thought I was offended by the Pulp Fiction version. Your first language is not English and so you don’t see the issue. That’s fine but the issue is there and always has been. I mean they literally named the project after Pulp Fiction. The project is held back because it is the dominant project for the tour and yet its decades behind. Think about how many open source projects exist that have been backed by companies to be improved and such? Why didn’t GIMP ever become one of those?

[@jamesvandamme7786]

​@@michael_tunnell I belong to the Flemish American Genealogical Society ..... which decided to call itself the Genealogical Society of Flemish Americans (GSFA) instead. Names mean something. In Spanish, the Chevy Nova means :doesn't go", and the Audi e-Tron means "turd" in French. Going to a completely different name would boost usage, and a new version is the perfect time.

[@johnrieley1404]

thanks. Yes, GIMP is and has been a horrible name.

[@stephanhuebner4931]

Renaming Gimp just because some people find it offensive is just another sign for how ridiculous everything got. People could choose to simply ignore it, but no, they chose to feel offended *and* demand that it changes. But what about the potential majority which doesn't have any problems with the name? Imho, it's not okay to always change something because a tiny portion of people like to feel offended. And the failed fork of gimp just for the sake of changing the name seems to prove that nobody really cares about it.

[@michael_tunnell]

I appreciate the comment and sharing your thoughts on the subject. To clarify my stance, my motivation for trying to get GIMP to change the name is not because I am offended, it is because I want GIMP to be a viable option for professionals and that name offers no value at all while simultaneously being a brand that forces people to look elsewhere. Here is some context, the sole reason to change it is that it is terrible for marketing. It is a PR nightmare for businesses and educational institutions so none of them will go near it. This results in businesses not funding it, and educational institutions refusing to teach and thus it never gains functionality that makes it viable for professionals to actually use it. There is a webapp now that is 100x better than GIMP ever has been and that's sad. You said people should ignore it and that's exactly what has happened for over 25 years. This is why GIMP is still on the same development branch as it was in 2004. GIMP 3.0 has been "coming soon" for at least 7 years and for reference the GTK toolkit is currently on GTK4 which was released in December 2020. GIMP is still on GTK2 which was deprecated 12 years ago and they are just now getting to GTK3. So yea, it has been ignored and that's the problem. In fact, ignoring GIMP is kind of the meta around the project. Even the the original founding developers ignore it because they abandoned GIMP a year before the 1.0 release and have never gone back.

[@stephanhuebner4931]

@@michael_tunnell Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't specifically talking about you, btw, but I've had the impression that some people were offended by tne name. The problem with *that* for me is that, if one searches long enough, they will probably find all kinds of "problematic" named products that nobody in their right mind would (or should) mix up with the "bad" meaning of a word. I also dislike the over-the-top political correctness of brands that try to come off as clean and pure as possible, especially if it's from brands everybody knows are pretty evil otherweise. But yeah, I guess you're right in regards to institutions and companies not wanting to deal with a software named like that. I don't know if the name is the sole reason for GIMP having a slow development pace, so I can't say anything about that. For me, what turned me away from gimp was the (imho) unintuitive interface.

[@michael_tunnell]

I realize you werent referring to me in your response but I have been on the "let's change it already" side of this discussion for over 20 years and I sometimes forget that not everyone has been exposed to this debate over a million times as I have lol. (and yes I am aware I brought it up since I chose to put it on the show lol) There are some people who are genuinely offended by the name and have every right to be. For example, the word gimp is a slur towards people with disabilities and as someone who has a friend who was born with physical disabilities and lived in a wheelchair all his life, he expressed to me that he has heard that term on many occasions as an insult towards him and he refuses to use GIMP because of it. In my opinion, that is a perfectly valid reason to be offended. There are other people who are offended based on the Pulp Fiction version of the term. In this case, it's certainly not good but I can see why people would defend this. I disagree with this defense but I understand why the anti-PC culture is in favor of it as a joke towards people who are offended easily. With all of that said, this is not a case of "searching long enough", the most common definitions of this word are a problem so with one search on google the problem is found. If you search long enough though, you will find that the origin and basis for this name is that they named it after the Pulp Fiction version on purpose. You will also find that the people who founded GIMP left the project prior to the 1.0 version and also now work for a company they named as "Cockroach Labs", so they still aren't great at naming things. I can't say for certain that the name is the sole reason either but in my opinion, it probably is. The reason I believe it to be the case is that GIMP has been around for over 25 years and yet no company has ever become a backer even though basically everyone in the industry hates Adobe. The refusal by the GIMP team shows that they will not listen to anyone about anything because something so critical is so awful and yet they refuse. This simply shows companies and institutions that there is no hope in the project and they might as well accept that. 🤷‍♂️

[@stephanhuebner4931]

@@michael_tunnell I don't deny anybody the right to feel offended by anything. What I do not consent to is that, just because somebody feels offended, they can expect change as if it was their given right. The basic problem for me is that everybody can get offended by anything, and in many cases they also can choose to just not be bothered by it. I personally find it pretty ridiculous to not use a software just because I don't like its name and possible negative connotations. But to each their own. The argument with companies not wanting to be associated with the name I can understand. But again, the fact that the fork didn't succeed seems to suggest that there are just not enough people bothered by it. Said companies could have supported the differently named fork, which they obviously didn't, and neither did the regular people.

[@michael_tunnell]

Let’s just talk about the business backing issue. Glimpse for example, if I recall correctly the lead developer worked for Oracle. Oracle is a garbage company that has restrictions on their employees from working on their own open source projects. Plus there’s the fact that they received so much hate for forking it. These factors lead to it not surviving. But the biggest reason why companies don’t back any forks of GIMP is not the reason you might think. Companies don’t back GIMP because its name is horrendous and the best sign that the team behind it make bad decisions. The reason they don’t back forks is because GIMP is crap when it comes to professional tools and a fork of GIMP is just as crap. If GIMP wanted to bring in backers they could because of the legacy they have but a name change is needed, but forks can’t do it because they would not just compete with all the professional tools but also compete with GIMP too and with the anti-PC culture being what it is, it is simply not worth the fight with the project being such crap anyway. Picture this: a company has 10 designers they need to have a software tool for. They could spend $5,000 as a donation to GIMP and receive absolutely zero assurance that the money will be used well and any of the critical features professionals need would be made. OR they could spend 10% the money and pay $500 for Affinity Photo or Photopea and instantly cover all designers with a tool that is already professional and doesn’t have any delay to work. Which one do you think would be done? A fork will never work, and GIMP with that name will never be more than what it is, and yet somehow people still insist this is a good path forward. Honestly it’s kind of sad because it means that open source will never have a solution any professional will care about

[@TheChadXperience909]

I think, why not create just a stupid amount of RHEL clones? Like tons of them, for no apparent reason, other than as a protest. There could be a RHEL clone called "Anarchy Linux", for example. It could even be totally jank and ugly as sin with terrible pixel art, because who cares? Nobody is going to actually use it.

[@sambird7]

It would be lovely if GIMP changed it's name and I would love if you made a video about that. I don't think you need to be a special snowflake to see that that name is ableist and offensive, and the arguments put forward by the developers as why it shouldn't be changed are pretty pathetic. "Uhhm it's actually called GNU Image Manipulation Program, we can't help it that the acronym jist happens to be a slur"... I mean come on guys, just come out and say you don't care about disabled people at this point.

[@michael_tunnell]

It was originally named GIMP as a reference to the Pulp Fiction version of the word so even if they didn’t know it was a slur, it is still fundamentally unprofessional and absurd to have named it that. So giving the benefit of the doubt towards the original devs on that, it’s still a horrible name. Besides the original devs left the project before the 1.0 was ever released.

[@TheRedneckPreppy]

Now that I know GIMP is considered "problematic", I want it to remain the name.

[@michael_tunnell]

I’m curious, why?

[@zxuiji]

between glimpse and gimp I'd rather gimp, easier to say

[@michael_tunnell]

Glimpse isn’t a good name either but it’s better than the cringe of GIMP. But also GIMP can easily be fixed with GIMS. Change program to software and problem solved

[@zxuiji]

@@michael_tunnell gims is even worse than glimpse, and how is gimp cringe?

[@michael_tunnell]

OK so if you don’t know why it’s cringe then you probably don’t know why this topic is even an issue. After 2 decades of debate about this I sometimes forget there are people unaware. The name GIMP is a problem because if you look up the word in a dictionary, you will find many definitions, none of which are positive. One definition is that it means broken or purposefully weakened. This is commonly used in video games such as “they gimped that character because they were too powerful”. Another definition is that it is an insult to people with physical disabilities. In fact this definition goes back more than 100 years. Another definition is this word is used to describe something from the Pulp Fiction movie, you can look that up. None of these definitions are professional and 2 are incredibly problematic to the point it’s a pariah in the graphics community because of this.

[@zxuiji]

@@michael_tunnell I have never seen someone use the word gimped before, only nerfed. As for the disability meaning, I can only see that as someone digging up ancient meanings to be explicitly malicious. I had never heard of either of those meanings until today so I think they should be left in the past where they belong.

[@michael_tunnell]

It’s not ancient, just because you have not heard it does not mean it is not used. I have a friend who is disabled and moves around with a wheelchair who has heard the term gimp as an insult to him specifically many times. It doesn’t even matter if the word is ancient because it’s still a name that offers zero value. The term is only associated to negative things or at least unprofessional things. The name is a waste of a project. It offers no value, and it creates negative impact even if you don’t care or even if a lot of people don’t care. The people who do care have made it clear for decades that they will not participate with it. When it comes to marketing, there is no value in this name. The insistence to keep it is confusing.