Cannonacly, akira himself said vegito and gogeta said they were equal.

Mahoraga is better than kenjaku bc if he adapted to fire arrow sukuna fucked even sukuna himself said and don’t get me started abt yuki she should have killed kenjaku but there was some spell I think now yes mahoraga should be below sukuna but above kenjaku so number 3 because kenjaku should have lost to yuki and btw gojo said yuta had the potential to surpass him but geto should have clowned yuta if rika didn’t exist but ye keep yuta at 6 (I’m not hating I love this list:))

So what are we going to do when year 3 comes out? Since (RoyalMTL has been DMCA'd... impeccable timing) 😒

Well i dont think the fusion dance seem to have a time limit the only times it has defused was in gt but thats not canon and when gotenks used ssj3 but i think thats more of the transformations fault then the fusion considering it leaks ki like crazy and in the broly movie gogeta didn't seem to defuse early even though vegito did in the goku balck arc and the gogeta in broly was stronger than the vegito in the black arc

Short: ITS THE SAME, THE SAMEEEE

Horikita is the only person who can make him show his true feeling without realizing it. I think he just doesn't accept his feeling because sudo likes horikita.

I kinda have to disagree on two things. 1: Gogeta losing to Merged Zamasu. Though this one is more of a technicality than anything as while Infinite Zamasu would still exist and would still need Zeno, Merged Zamasu would still be defeated, and that’s still a victory. 2, the bigger one: the reasoning for Hypo Buu Gogeta losing to Super Buuhan. This kinda falls apart when we consider how fusion works. It works by multiplying the power of the two fusees rather than the add then magnify like the characters think. This is relevant because of base power and transformations. Goku and Vegeta’s base power are about even. When they both access SSJ2, they are around even. This means a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegeta would have the similar power to SSJ3 Goku. And then there’s Gokhan. Ultimate Gohan and SSJ3 Goku are similar in power. You guys can argue about who is exactly stronger but there are two things we can agree on; Base Goku is stronger than Base Gohan and the Ultimate form is a better power Multiplier, since we know SSJ2 Goku was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan, meaning the same is true for their base and in order for Gohan to gain strength near equal to Goku, his transformation must give him more power. Here’s where things get tricky. So a hypothetical Gokhan is confirmed to be able to beat Buu. But in what form? Considering Fusion can have a form that one or both fusees don’t have, and the lack of any Gold or longer hair, then it’s highly likely Gokhan is either in base or Ultimate. And they don’t get a rival boost. If it’s base, then I don’t need to explain why Gogeta who share a fusee and has a stronger base fusee than Gokhan wins. If it’s Ultimate, then we get a slightly lower base with a slightly stronger multiplier (Gohkan) vs a slightly higher base with a slightly lower multiplier (Gogeta). Either way, Ultimate Gokhan and SSJ3 Gogeta should be around the same ballpark in power (again you can argue who you think is stronger, but they are close to even). So if one can beat Buuhan, the other can too. And if you want to argue Gogeta will defuse in five minutes because at the time Gotenks did as well, well at the time Gogeta has an attack that solves this problem. The Soul Punisher (I’m using this name because that’s what it was called at the time and what other media use for Super Gogeta). Since this is the Z era, it should have the same properties as in Fusion Reborn. Meaning it can erase all the evil in Buu while restoring all the good people inside including Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo and very high potentially Fat Buu. So he has no need for the plan to have Buu absorb him and no need to waste time. Especially since Goku watched Gotenks fight Buu and would know about the power draining the time limit. So a hypothetical Buu Saga Gogeta should beat Super Buuhan.

Mahito: What! Did i Fucking disappear

Would soul punisher even work on Zamasu? Doesn’t he think hes just purifying the evil of humanity? Or does it still affect him?

This is actually wrong, 1:34, because that happens with the potara. Fusion doesn't end shorter, no matter the power up. The fusion dance design is meant to last exactly 30 minutes to keep fighting at full potential. In fact, fusion has shown such greater potential for Gogeta always wins while Vegito always loses or doesn't finish his battles. Akira Toriyama confirmed this saying that they are actually even in power. And villians speeches always don't go in their favour, they are just arrogant. Gogeta would win against Buu through power alone, since fusion was changes twice, gogeta in the most recent canon movie: DragonBall Super: Broly, gogeta states that fusion is superior and doesn't add their strengths but multiplies them significantly, Gogeta beats Buu. And Gogeta in the Future trunks arc is significantly weaker than he was in the movie, for goku and vegeta are way stronger in the 2018 movie then in the future trunks arc. If we had current Gogeta Blue, the fight would be over against zamasu.

Gogeta wouldn't be able to erase Zamasu even with Soul Punisher since Zamasu isn't evil, he strongely believe what he's doing is right and the only reason he's the "villain" is because his perception of what is right or wrong is different from Goku and Vegeta/Trunks.

tfs a rival boost?

even when we take the actual best feats for all three lelouch wins one of his average feats is predicting his own actions when he used the geass on himself to erase the memory of his plan with suzaku to counter moa's mind reading

Is this even a debate? One is manipulating kids, one manipulates random lowlives, one manipulated nations.

Alright who’s going to explain the rivalry boost😂

johan>>> in manipulation Koji>>>> in outsmarting and intelligence

Em This is totally unfair though 🫤 in many ways than one It's like a Goku Vs kid Gotenks comparison

I like Re:Zero, but I've always thought Subaru is very overrated just because it's an isekai. And Re:Zero fans can't admit that he loses to anyone. Now don't tell me that I'm a fan of Ayanokouji and that I don't like him losing because it's not true. The people who say that are pure NPCs.

After analysing lelouch's feats i can tell you that in no way shape or form does it come close to All bet or even Prison game's manipulation feats let alone FG (overkill tbh), FG had 3 different intricate layers of planning all fueled by the manipulation of every player in the game, I dont scale ayanokoji high and even then i have him on par with lelouch in manipulation. Yuuichi dogwalks both of them and its not close, if you want to know more about yuuichis feats just read samuels doc idw explain all of it. For the feats im using Manipulation Direct- Yuuichi (Every single game) Indirect- Koji Emotional- Yuuichi (I DO NOT need to explain this) Logical- Yuuichi (very close but takes via friendless) Mass- Yuuichi (Takes via friendless) Individual- Lelouch or koji Psychological- Yuuichi (All bets and FG) Methods- Yuuichi (Takes everything except love bombing and seduction both of which go to koji, whiteknight and goalpost moving are debatable and cgew)