This view point makes sense but coming from someone who has worked on both I do think a lot of the 1 star reviews come from people who have "unrealistic" expectations. Where they want a swamp pool clean in no 2 hours for example. Linus tech tips made a video on the beatbot (which I still don't think is as good as dolphin) but he really points out that that kind of expectation is very unrealistic. Now to reliability. I do find that MOST owners do not take care of their robots.... Sadly. For example look at my community posts on the channel. I see most cleaners that are left in the pools high chlorine levels after shocking or bathed in the sun outside to where the cord is disintegrating and internal parts and seals are dried up due to the chlorine. Or they are used in unrealistic circumstances.. after flocking, whole pool covered in leaves, etc. they are maintenance tools for sure but they aren't supposed to replace all aspects as I'm sure your Polaris doesn't. Now. Polaris. You mentioned a lot of upkeep. Usually they are cheaper but as you said this upkeep is something you have to deal with more often than a robot because Polaris usually live in the pool connected to the pump. With robots they could technically be used in same situation but keep in mind also leads to more maintenance (more expensive maintenance) when used in this manner. The robots are more efficient then the Polaris suction sides and don't require needing to run every day and thus shouldn't need to be in the pool all the time. If they are taken out and used sparingly they will last longer and you shouldn't run into the maintenance. And you can lose the booster pump as well. You'll gain scrubbing for algae prevention and better filtration and it sounds like you know how to take care of your purchase. We have warranty rate of around .25% which is very good. That's why I think a lot of reviews need to be taken with a grain of salt for sure. Feel free to ask me any specific questions you might have after reading this. I'm sure I'm missing some other points here

99958907-DIY should work.

@@thedolphindoctor thank you so much.

It was good in it's time but has been discontinued since 2020 I believe.

@@thedolphindoctor wich model would you compare it to?

@@JudahKesh-b5d its the same as the nautilus cc plus but cc plus only has fine filters included.

@@thedolphindoctor does it have an active brush?

@@JudahKesh-b5d no those models do not have active scrubbers neither did M200

S200 is similar to quantum. I find that a lot of people on Amazon have insanely high expectations. Especially for a base line unit. The quantum and s200 should ideally be ran 2-5 times a week in season. It shouldn't be left in the pool all the time either. People often complain about how short theirs lasted, tangling cord, or missing stuff in the pool. All are avoidable issues if you run the unit enough, take it out of the pool and keep the cable neat, use the right filters in the right situation, and not expose it to high chlorine levels. A lot of people think that it can clean any pool in any situation in 2 hours which won't be the case if the pool is a swamp. Which ends up happening most times. People get them in the spring most of the time, then complain they don't clean their swampy spring pool just opened in 1 cycle. There are more expensive units out there that are better but the value on s200 can't be beat as long as you run it enough to keep up with the pool. Basically your saving money by buying a cheaper unit than stronger units but it requires needing to run more so it can keep up.

​@@thedolphindoctorthanks for the feedback! I live in NJ and the pool is only open from May to September. I was initially looking at the E20 and then stumbled on the S200 based off recommendations and having a hard time figuring which to buy

@@CypriotMalaka E20 isnt bad but does not do waterline scrubbing, no rebate, and no ultra fine filters. Often times people buy it and immediately need to order the ultra fiine basket for $80-100 om addition to the $599 price. S200 having them already and the $100 rebate, tangle reducing cord, bigger basket, two brushes, and waterline scrubbing make it worth the cost in my opinion.

@thedolphindoctor much appreciated!

@@thedolphindoctor Would you recommend the quantum over the s200? Doing some research shows the quantum has upgraded navigation and "power jet" technology that the s200 does not have. seems like they are the same price and same warranty

Try taking off the flap on the bottom of the basket. that will increase you suction but you just need to be careful getting the robot out of the pool in a way so it doesn't fall out when pulling it up. Also try just fine filters. that would also increase your suction

@thedolphindoctor ... awesome. Just ordered a new no return flap for the bottom of the basket even though it's 90% good. Will try removing it for a bit. Also ordered new rubber strips for the bottom (some say they don't make much of a difference). Will take a look at fine filters to increase suction. But will fine filters trap dead algae? SLAM tonight at 28 FC. If it holds overnight, I will go to Mustard level 42 tomorrow. (Based on 70 CYA).

@@thedolphindoctor Cleaner was prob ok! When shocking I tried to brush some of the yellowish crude toward the main drain. Under that there was another layer embedded in the pebbletech...wouldn't budge. Had to get out the metal brush. All good now. Had FC up to 41 for mustard shock and new parts to keep the cleaner going strong for years. Bonus question: on either side of the bottom next to the main suction port is another port. They are controlled open/closed based on a heavy weight on a pendulum. Seems they would only open if the machine was in a nose dive or on its back. My guess they are to help the turtle get off it's back or get unstuck in certain situations?????

technically speaking yes. However cord length is only one side of the issue. if the pool is too big it might not get covered consistently in a 2 or 2.5 hour timeframe. the cord is 60 feet long but you have to also account for the depth of the pool hence why they say 50 ft. Also you would need the power supply right on the edge of the pool at that point. Dolphin says not to use extension cords as they can mess with the life of the power supply as well as being a hazard if dragged into the pool. The wave line has less bells and whistles but has commercial grade brushless motors which last a lot longer. leading the the price difference.

Thank you so much for answering. The community I work for has a 60 ft long by 25ft wide pool that starts at 3 feet deep and only goes to 5 feet on the deep end. The closest power outlet is 25-30 feet away from the pool’s edge. What product would you recommend?

By any chance do you have any reviews or experience with the Dolphin Skimmi?

@@chrisangel1751 either E70 but be ready to use it almost daily (plan accordingly so you do not use it when shocking the pool) as the unit will be used often so you want to limit high chlorine exposure. Or look at the Wave 60 or 80. Wave 60 still has the 60ft cable but motors that will last longer than the E70. it depends on how much you'll need to use the unit honestly. the more per week you use it the shorter it will last in terms of years because its more mileage per week if that makes sense.

@@chrisangel1751 no experience on the skimmi yet. we are waiting for the price to come down as right now they are more expensive due to the limited amount out there due to being a new product.

Unfortunately no cleaner is going to get into the absolute corners of steps. Due to not being able to fully fit on each step individually. Not many cleaners can and if they do they are too small to cover the pool in a convenient amount of time and will fill up before it's done due to being smaller with less space. The caddy. You are supposed to wrap the cord by hand before putting it on the caddy wrapping the cord around it won't work well due to how the cord is already in a "memorable" coil shape out of the box. Trying to coil it tightly around the caddy is fighting against that. It's very much a trade off with some aspects of the cleaning across any cleaner. Do you want more suction power then you will have less filtration quality. Do you want to fit it smaller corners or on steps then you need a much! Smaller unit that will fill up before doing the whole pool. Do you want more app features and such, then usually the cost goes up as well as more glitches as most people have been saying about beatbot and other brands. My research is done with now 7 + years in the field. I think I know a thing or too.

depends on how extreme. you can get away with an E20 at $599 and put the ultra fine filter basket seperately for $80-100 and get away under $700. or you can go with an S200 at $1099 that comes with the filters and also the $100 rebate...... both units will clean the pool as long as you run them enough to keep up. they are more PREVENTATIVE and excel as keeping the pool clean if you run them consistently (3-5 days a week) both will still take numerous cycles to clean an already filthy pool.

@@thedolphindoctor Thanks for the advice. So the E20 and the other $499 models are all the same. I don't get why all pool robots don't come with at least the option to purchase ultra fine filters like Dolphin does. I had my pool filter pump and robot cleaner break at the same time this spring so my pool budge is stretched thin. I have solar panels so running it all the time is not a problem. I live near farms and river with a strong delta breeze in California. I need to get the ultra fines that can collect when its windy. I think both recommendations will do at least as good as my 20 year old Dolphin did. And it did well.

I have no experience on the hand scrubbers you mentioned unfortunately

It's already on the chart and in the video. It's nothing "new" some sites make it seem new but it's been out since 2015 same as the others in its column. The others (s200, active 20, t35 are usually the better value due to having the manufacturer rebate the quantum does not have.

Gaha sorry, i watched the whole vid then double checked quantum. HATE when people do this!! Lol...THANK YOU for such a helpful video...leaning towards the e50 but review seem low...e70 is obvious choice but soo pricey ​@thedolphindoctor

E50 is solid. Not many reviews because it's not popular. It's the same overall design as s300,s400 or any other single drive basket model with wifi. The reviews should all be considered the same in reality. You also have to think to yourself "did the people leaving bad reviews take care of it or was it left to die early by being left in high chlorine 24/7 or used in sub par condition" I've seen cleaners last 2 years and I've seen the same cleaner last 8-10 it's all about how people take care of it. Also depends on how high people's expectations are. Some people get upset it doesn't clean a swamp in 2 hours and will leave a bad review when in reality no cleaner can clean a swamp dead pool in 2 hours.

Broo!! You are amazing!! We are so excited aboutnmorving into a new home with a pool. Never owned a house with a pool. It's pretty smallish but all big lava rock walls (hawaii)... pool is maybe 20 by 15ft with hot tub waterfalling into it. Thinking of adding a cold plunge off the side of it (we are contractors)...anyway, you are a HERO. Sounds like the one we need! I want a set and forget model with active brush. And like you said leave it in but not 24/7... still give it rest during the day for example. Appreciate so much the help. Would consider e70 but seems overkill for smaller pool

@@jjenks49 yeah E50 seems solid as long as long as its used enough to keep up. Sounds like you already plan on doing that so I think you should be good! I would watch the tips and tricks video I have on the channel as any possible warranty claims might get expensive if needing to ship back to dolphin in GA. Preventative behaviors to prevent any issues and to help extend the life of it

Could just be a bad egg. Also if you pulled on it too hard it could do it. Dolphin will fix it or the store you bought it from most likely

Current pricing is $1499. There is a manufacturer rebate on it for $100 until August 31st

M200 has been retired since 2019. But it wouldve fallen into the same category as the nautilus cc plus. keep in mind this video is outdated. (2022 version) the 2024 version is up on the channel with more up to date info

@@thedolphindoctor I reviewed this and the 24 video - no mention of a M200 from what I can see in the slides. (exceptional content!!) I was gifted an M200 with the fine filter cartridges. The literature seems to suggest this is a bottom-cleaning robot only, correct? I see that it actually cleans the sides of my inground 17x35 AS WELL it can scrub the waterline to a decent degree. So I wonder if there is such a thing as a "late" or 'upgraded' M200 with more functionality? I'm very happy with this functionality for sure. Thanks for the insights!

@@jimgeneva2464 I do not include the discontinued models. it was discontinued in 2019 so it would not be in the 2022 video. M200 cleans the floor and walls but does not do dedicated waterline scrubbing. It was never just a floor only model.

There is a setting in the app to recalibrate the out of water detection. I would try doing that!

I can promise you they haven't even bothered to contact Maytronics most likely. They wouldve offered to get it fixed within a few days by having it sent directly to them. It's most likely pinch a penny didn't know the right avenue to go or didn't want to look into it. I've seen it happen numerous times. Where you buy is just as important as to what you buy. People on here have been burned by pinch a penny in the past.

The newer s300 is WIFI based so i dont believe the controls of the 300i will work on it since it was bluetooth based. You can also look at the S400 as that is what replaced the S300i in the line up

@@thedolphindoctor The S300I was wifi enabled (as well as bluetooth enabled)! I have used all features for 3 years now:) Basically connected to the cloud so I could start it over the internet as well! The old S300 (not “i”) was the one that was only Bluetooth enabled! So basically I have a fully working wifi enabled control unit from the S300i, with werkly scheduling and 1.5,2,2.5 hour cycle, and all combos of floor, walls and waterline cleaning, and the question is will this control unit work on the new S300 unit that also has wifi, but no weekly scheduling?

probably S300. if leaves are an issue and you want to stay away from the more expensive 3 motor units you will want a floor only mode for the leaves. any unit ideally would handle them but only if you run it enough so they dont get out of hand. you could go s200 or s300 but be ready to run it alot to keep up with leaves compared to a stronger unit

thank you!

the 2024 version has it in there i believe

best bet is to run the cleaner more often so it doesnt get so built up. you could also have a leak from the filter leaking sediment into the pool

thats a tough one. your already putting yourself at a disadvantage with cordless at this point due to the shorter run times. but I would say liberty 400 is your best bet in the cordless realms. I would probably move away from the pop ups.

@@thedolphindoctor thanks. That's what I thought as well.

M500 has been discontinued in the US since 2019. M600 technically replaced it as the top end unit back then

Liberty's will be getting a 2.5 hour run time soon. I would say liberty 300 in a few weeks when they start hitting shelves. Liberty 400 won't have 2.5 hour until next year

A lot of dealers do not stock those parts as it's not a commonly replaced part. Usually those types of parts are usually delegated to special orders since most shops won't overturn that inventory consistently. Most dealers will just say nope they can't get it. If they don't stock it they can order if from dolphin which will take a week or so and then they have to ship it. I find that most stores just don't like to do this for the low $$ profit of the parts. If you call Monday I can see what I have vs what I would need to order. I know the bushings are out of stock by dolphin currently. Usually this tends to happen towards the end of the season (August). Keep in mind this is usually the same issue with Polaris. Those "elite dealers" that are switching won't have the equivalent Polaris parts either most likely. Dolphins quality is still above Polaris in my opinion. Most parts are widely available for dolphin. A lot of dealers are still mad about the parts shortages during the pandemic. All these stores carried dolphin. And MOST do /did not stock parts on their own so whenever they needed something of course it was going to be out of stock due to sheer demand. Meanwhile Polaris back then wasn't as big so it gave the impression that OH Polaris has their parts they are much better.. in reality all brands during that time has shortages. And luckily we stock most parts upfront every season to avoid those issues. A lot of stores didn't prepare correctly and blame dolphin. Yes the shortages were bad but the pandemic was the cause not so much dolphin. The lead times stuck for some parts due to stores needing to special order them. I would buy these parts in sets of 2 so you have a cushion. Most likely you have a silty material grinding these pieces down. When you take the unit out I would hose behind the tracks and within the nooks of the wheels to dry to dislodge most of this between cycles. You can also try to contact backyard pool superstore as they have a lot of parts stocked from my understanding

@@thedolphindoctor Thanks for the reply and explanation on the parts stocking situation and I have definitely started to keep a set on-hand at all times and re-order once I consume since I am only getting 8 month or so out of wheels before the tracks start coming off / gears start skipping. The bushings aren't really wearing, it is the wheels themselves. I will call Monday. Funny you should mention backyard pool superstore, they simply replied "We apologize but we don't have availability for the parts you currently need". Didn't even offer to order or provide a lead-time. I like the dolphin nautilus CC as it does everything I need it to with no fuss or complications, except for not wearing out.

Have you tried to reach out to Maytronics directly?

@@thedolphindoctor Yes they wanted me to reset the power supply by unplugging it which I always do any way and delete the app I already did that so now they are sending it to the app department I think a few people have mentioned the same problem so maybe it is a app problem for IOS PHONES not sure it wired fine when I had the M400 but never worked since I got the M600 I no longer have the M400 Thanks, Mark

Try deleting and reinstalling the app. I feel like recently the app has been buggy and might be causing the issue. Usually a reset like this solves most issues

You are in the same boat as a lot of people with the beat bot. Most reviews and articles are paid for. Bad reviews are censored. I see it every year with brands that come and go. No cleaner will advertise 100% of your pool but usually the realistic goal is 95 to 99% If I'm imagining the floor to wall transition in my mind correctly you should be fine. Non hard angles are better than hard angle transition from floor to wall. As long as you take advantage of the different cycle options I think you'll be satisfied. Make sure you make use of the floor only mode when the pool is dirty. Might take a few cycles to get any pool clean depending on how bad it is. You just need to find out how often you need to run it every week to have it not get so bad where one cycle isn't enough You should put an honest review on the beat bot and see if it's deleted or ever posted. I would make your opinion known on the facebooks pages or reddit if you want other people to see through the lies

Premium 20 is the same as active 20, 30 same active 30 etc. cords same length

Just checked chart in the video and online and it says it does. It's the 123 button on the power supply. 1 = once a day at the time pressed, 2= every other day. 3= 3 times a week.

@@thedolphindoctor got mine from Amazon and it doesn’t come with weekly timer. And on maytronics website says it doesn’t come with weekly timer.

Either one but M600 will be easier to clean out, It will do a better job cleaning the waterline, has less parts overall, and has two important features that might seem like a "bell and whistle" feature. FLOOR ONLY and the PICK UP MODE. both these features come in handy. FLOOR ONLY to focus on the floor where the debris is. so the robot doesn't get distracted with the walls when your just trying to vacuum debris out. and PICK UP MODE so you don't pull on the cord to take the robot out of the pool. this will cause the robots cord to last longer so no possibly breaks happen at the detangler part of the cable from the pressure of pulling on it. M600s basket design will be a lot easier to clean out as well compared to the cartridges. M400 is still a slightly better value in terms of specs and bang for your buck but if you value convenience M600 is a better value at that point

closest in terms of specs would be either M400 or M600 but the design is pretty different from what polaris has going on with the big wheels. I find that polaris often has over complicated designs with more parts that become a pain to work on. They also lack the filtration quality that the Dolphins have. Dolphin is often a bit more $$$ but the quality of parts is also higher compared to what Polaris uses in my opinion

Its definitely the ledge. I've had customer switch to a basket design in this case due to the larger wheels up front and this usually solves the issue!

@@thedolphindoctor very interesting. Suggested best model for this? One corded/one cordless? And thoughts on beatbot?

thank you! appreciate the positive comments

Not that I have heard.

I'm not sure if the weekly time had the 2.5 cycle but I can be wrong. Have you reached out to dolphin directly about it? Its definitely sounds like something to do with the app software, not the robot. No one else has mentioned this issue to me

Great to hear!

for how long. some units like S200 will continue running once the self test is done but it should change directions once in a while. What is the primary issue you are running into to lead to the self test?

Thanks for information, while I was awaiting your response, I disassembled the unit from tracks down to motor. I removed all debris from tracks including algae. I found the outside bearing at the drive motor was slightly surface rusted. Cleaned and applied polysi lubicant. While there is also lubed the o rings of drive shaft and main motor enclosure . Since preforming the above, self test working and unit is now working in the pool. btw I purchased this unit second hand. Not well looked after. @thedolphindoctor

some units have a dual layer filter in addition to the other filter types in the basket / cartridge. this might help your situation. the CC plus is known to get stuck on steps due to the weight distribution within the cleaner. Usually raising or lowering the waterline will help. Either that little bit of extra buoyancy will help it not get stuck. or lowering it a little will make it not get up there in the first place. Not sure what would be getting through the ultra fine filters though. You can try moving to a basket design to see if that helps. or an M400 for an upgrade of what you already have but without the weight distribution issues I mentioned earlier.

try putting it in the pool upside down first to help release any air pockets. check your pH as well. if its high it leads to floating issues. wheelies are normal for some robots to rotate directions and might look exaggerated on the ramp down to the deep end.

@@thedolphindoctor Ill try it. Thank you. I had it all apart trying to fix it stopping after ten seconds. Turns out there was moisture in the power supply. Thought I connected something in the robot incorrectly. Thank you for making the videos. Very helpful. Mike

it is needed for the cartridge designs that have the waterline cleaning feature. It basically helps with buoyancy to allow it to move left or right at the waterline. The basket designs don't need it due to having counterweights and added floats internally.

I will definitely look into it when I work on a premier next