Pretty cool.

Don't tempt me, I'd buy another if I found one lol.

I'm amassing my own tool collection this holiday season, I really should add one to the list. Thanks for stopping by!

I did eventually figure that out.

@@Ludicrous_Speedway very good! I am also restoring a Sonett, but mine is a Sonett II V4. So everything you experience seems familiar... 😂

Thanks. I think I've seen your posts on Saab Net, Good luck with that one!

I finally did figure it out, apparently "coolant bypass tube" was what I was looking for.

It's been too long

It was also used for the prototype Mustang 1, something I find quite cool. Find it funny that most people don't even know why the popular ones are called Mustang 2's.

The 1.5 and 1.7 Cologne engines had the same bore of 90mm. The stroke made the difference in displacement. The 1.2 Ford used in the 12M had a smaller bore. The Transit and Consul/Granada used the 1.7 Cologne at the start, the Transits being British designed and built changed over to the Essex engines, the Granada's used the V6 Colognes for bigger displacement.

@@browserrr1 "The 1.5 and 1.7 Cologne engines had the same bore of 90mm." Yep. The 1.7 was derived from a "stroked" 1.5 liter with another crankshaft. The easiest way to maintain almost all of the existing components. Even the connecting rods were the same. I once had a Ford Transit Mk.I in the early 80s. Long window cabin, extended roof, double doors on right side and rear, twin rear wheels on either side. Former police staff transport in - you guessed it: Police Green. That had the 1.7 liter V4 with a whopping 70 DIN hp, a 4-speed manual gearbox ... and it was ... well ... asthmatic to say it friendly. 0 - 100 km/h ? Well ... depends on how long the road stretches downhill. On plain terrain it barely reached 80 km/h even when empty. It was a "barn on wheels" and got sold pretty soon - just wanted to save it from going to the scrapyard. ;-)

@@wacholder5690 not so strange the 1.7 was so asthmatic considering the underdomensions of both carb and exhaust. Those horribly small Siamese exhausts and (on the Saab 96) an exhaust pipe the diameter of a straw 😄. Which on the other hand makes them quite tuneable. A Weber 32/36 DGV and a Simons sport exhaust could up the power to 80hp, a sportier cam increasing it to 90, as a series of 1700S models from 1974(?) had. When you combine it with bigger valves the output gets even higher, going over 100. I read once that the Ford engineers estimated that 90hp was the maximum that could be wrung out of a V4. The S&R departement proved them to be very wrong.

I'm well aware it's not a tractor engine but I still like to joke and make fun of it. In the past year I've had this car actually researching more about this engine has done nothing but reinforced that notion. And this is the primary reason why, it's such a crazy platform with a crazy history. I believe you're both correct.

That would be a perfect application for one of these. It's got ears on the top and the bottom of the engine on both sides, so it would lend itself really well to being hard-mounted in between a frame.

@ I’ve seen a solid blue ford version in a boat it has a 4barrel intake and on the valve cover stamped 125hp I forget the rpm its been 4-5 years now I might go see if it’s still hanging around

Well, I wanted to lay the engine on that side and the dipstick was getting in the way. Sometimes I take my uncle's advice, he used to work on the race Sonett with my grandfather, more often than not "just do this" is actually missing a few steps.lol. I already replaced the balance shaft bearings, They went in fine.

@@Ludicrous_Speedway Good, the middle camshaft bearing is also a tricky one. Good luck.

Cool. I'll add to my notes.

Sorry to correct you, having had several v4's. The engine looks to turning left as the pulley is on the balanceshaft and not on the crank itself. So, the crank is a standard right turning one, but due to the gearing to the balanceshaft wich holds the pulley makes it look like it is turning left.

@@liesbethjacobs251 Oh indeed you're right. I took another man's word for granted to quick.

Don't worry. Ignorance and Curiosity will also get the job done! 👍

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It was easier to find parts than I thought, but where I found them was quite strange. This engine has a surprisingly large aftermarket for its Industrial applications. I suppose that makes sense because they were found in everything from generators to tractors to forklifts to road rollers. The store I bought from seemed to specialize in their application as a skid steer engine. However this engine really isn't getting a rebuild. I'm pretty much just cleaning everything off, verifying it's not broken and putting it back together. I only replaced the bearings for the balance shaft. When this car was in that accident I keep talking about, something pushed the engine quite a bit and aside from breaking the water pump off the timing cover it also caused the balance shaft to get pushed around and the front bearing exploded. The orange car came with some crankshaft bearings and considering that engine is a little more worn it is going to get a full rebuild where I replace everything. It's an obsolete standard, but they're all Ford parts so it's not terribly expensive.

@@Ludicrous_SpeedwayIt's quite surprising the aftermarket for these motors, I have mine torn apart out of my sonnett because I found bearing material in the pan, (rear balance shaft bearing delaminated a bit but didn't do any damage.) Using higher comp pistons out of a pinto I believe from Scandinavia for the rebuilt and a hotter cam. Are you using the original intake manifold? the one for the single barrel solex? or a double?

I have the single barrel fomoco carb and the intake manifold to match. I'm rebuilding this motor to its stock configuration. When it's time, I'll do the same thing to the other engine, but I'll keep that one on a stand and use it as a test bed from my crazy ideas. I have some parts laying around from past projects, namely the throttle bodies from a Hayabusa. I would not be surprised if they eventually found their way onto the testbed engine.

Not to say I don't want hotter parts, I just haven't found them yet.

@@Ludicrous_Speedway I am from Finland so maybe I can help?

Honestly I'm just trying to have fun. My secondary goal is to make a decent video series documenting this engine. I haven't seen a particularly well produced video about tearing one of these engines down or rebuilding one and I want to be that guy. I started collecting this footage in the hopes of achieving that but to be honest I'm not ready to start micing bearings at the moment. Now that I have a second engine I can film that deep dive later when I'm ready. So I'm just throwing this engine back together at the moment. To avoid wasting my time gathering all this footage I just compiled it into this montage.

Thanks! I know you were looking for something that was probably more in depth, I hope to make that later. Still, I hope this helps a bit.

@Ludicrous_Speedway its plenty worth watching It 👍👍👍👋

It's a very Italian thing isn't it? I know Lancia also used a couple V4s. I think they also used shallower angles as well, So they could get away with using a combined cylinder head which is so so Italian.

@@Ludicrous_Speedway My mistake it was Lancia. So narrow in fact that was almost a "VR" like VW but a lot earlier

Well, you got me too. I just assumed Alfa made V4s because why wouldn't they, Alfas are frickin’ weird. I think one of them would fit in a GTV quite nicely.

Sure is!

Only Saab would look at a tractor engine and go ”yeah let's put that in the car.” That or the Ford salesman was a shrewd negotiator.

Its a Ford engine not a Saab

@@Ludicrous_Speedway actually no, real tests were done. Other alternatives considered were engines from Volvo and by heart the Lancia V4. Don't recall the others. The Ford V4 was best in test. An endurance test of 100,000km's was done in all secrecy in Italy; anyone, correct me if I am wrong about the country. Only then it was decided to go for that engine.

Thank you!

It is!

No.

@StephenClark-hk4mi Yeah that's pretty much what happened. My first car was mechanically solid but missing everything else. It probably would have ran too if I knew more about that engine at the time. Someone was very clearly trying to restore it but some of those boxes of parts didn't make it to me. This new car has all of the cosmetic pieces I want but a chassis that's too far gone. So the first car is going to donate all the metal work behind the firewall to the new orange car, Since the old one had a crunched up nose I think that's the perfect use for it.

Thx

@PacWestFish I never thought I could make it on the radio with my Alvin and the Chipmunks voice. But if you think I can do it, I'll give it my all!!!

@@Driven_By_History I just checked out your Channel, glad to have found another Sonett enjoyer! Yeah it hurts me to see it like this too. And it hurts me even more to scrap it considering it's rarity but I don't feel too bad anymore. I have much bigger plans than just a parts car for it. I'll fill you in on a secret for my upcoming plans. My blue Sonett was in a pretty bad front end collision back in the day. The firewall is pushed back a good three or four inches and the motor mounts are bent off to the side. The nose of that car is twisted up so badly it would take too much work to get it straight. But the floors are immaculate, it doesn't even need the usual new rockers. On the other hand this orange car is held together by a single rocker and flexes when I get in it so I can confidently say the tub is toast. I would love to fix it but the metal work is so far gone you would basically need a donor car… however the nose is perfect and I've already checked the measurements, the engines exactly where it's supposed to be. So I'm going to disassemble the orange and blue cars at the firewall and weld the blue rear half onto the front orange half. I've already figured out which spot welds I need to drill out and I'm pretty confident I can just swap the nose over. Conveniently this would also save the orange car instead which has all its Vin tags and a cooler license plate.

There is a subsonic there are fiberglass cars and if I'm remembering correctly it actually had a V4 Ford motor in it

Its the coolest ugly car in the world...

@@johnnydail399 Yeah, they only made about 8,000 of that particular model. It's a weird little car. It's a tub style chassis with a fiberglass body on top, so it's basically just a factory kit car. It's not missing plug wires or anything. It truly is a V4 engine, one of the very few ever made. It's a Ford Taunus 1.7 which is the four cylinder little brother of the Ford Cologne V6. It's mainly a European engine, but you'll find them in generators and tractors in the US too.

@@kaostheory3272 yep👍

@@GT1900garage Yeah, it's definitely got some ....Er, better angles.( it is so ugly).

If you think that's funny...The other day I was working on it, sitting in the passenger seat and it gave out and fell onto the driveway with me in it. I wish I had gotten a video of that.

Thank you. I was talking with someone about Sonetts a while ago and I just remember them saying that no one ever just has one. Couldn't be more true.

I'll keep you posted.

@@Ludicrous_Speedway brahh👍👍👍🙏

I had actually never seen a Sonett in person until I bought mine. This orange car was actually listed for 500 bucks but I'm a shrewd negotiator. I thought my blue car was the cheapest one in the country but now I've outdone myself with the orange one. Interestingly enough I've actually seen GT prices increasing. For whatever reason the Corvette is getting real popular again so all of the “baby Corvette” cars are back in the spotlight. I've also seen magazines call the Sonett a baby Corvette as well but no increase in price. I don't think most people who are interested in any size Corvette are going to want anything to do with a low horsepower, weird engine, front wheel drive Swedish import. Your last video was great btw!

@@Ludicrous_Speedway if my memory Serves me right It was because i see one of your vids that i Buy my sonnett

Yeah I never got the impression I was supposed to be in there, the manual just said hit it with a hammer until it came out. The amount of times it references a block of wood is hilarious. I'm definitely not putting those cotter pins back in, I have a different plan. Thanks for sticking around!

Yeah they are pretty funny lookin

Couldn't have said it better myself, aside from cursing at it that is :) Whenever I get around to it I think my plan is to have the two hard lines from the floor dead end into a distribution block with soft lines going to the, well other soft lines but the external ones. Even though I don't see myself fiddling with those brake lines too often I don't like them and I want to make my own. Those sheet metal dimples are also really sharp. Thanks for sticking around Gafrers, it's always fun seeing where else I can find you on YT.

@@Ludicrous_Speedway Nice Plan.

Thanks for the episode. Is there any episode/ time stamp to see the rollbar problem?

Not yet. It'll get featured as a side project in a later episode. The problem is it's just so difficult to get to the fasteners that hold the roll bar on. After a few hours of split knuckles, I was able to get them loose enough that I could slip a hacksaw blade under the roll bar and just cut it off. I'm currently drilling out the last bolt stuck in there. Thanks for sticking around!

Pretty easy, all things considered. Finding some of those bump stops on the other hand, not so much.

Cool, I believe the top half of the suspension is pretty close to the 96, I would definitely advocate for finding the skinniest spring compressor you can. Hammering in that big universal compressor was not fun. I think the ones that are like two fingers would work the best.