My only advice is to be persistent, I had a similar problem where the suction mounting system failed and I came into my bedroom with the throttle quadrant on the floor and my trim wheel broken. I had the same response, complained and said I was thinking of purchasing the Charlie rudder pedals but wouldn’t after this level of service. After going back and forth eventually received a new throttle quadrant. Best of luck, hopefully the same can work for you!

If you are going solely for aesthetics, grab the URSA of choice, but the functionality of the VKB can’t be beaten for the price point. I would go with the gladiator, but you can program the buttons on the URSA to work the same way(trim and such). A quick note about the gladiator. The two axis to the left and right of the throttle, they are treated as buttons but have a wheel feel. They are read incrementally and not as a smooth axis. The review is almost done. I’ve gone so far as to pack it in my roller bag and bring it with me on trips to study it further on layovers. I can only imagine what TSA thinks when they see a flight stick in a pilot’s flight bag.

Never tried nor heard of it until your question.

That I am unsure of. Maybe check the game forums or Reddit.

There are many that work with Mac. Is there a specific product you are interested in?

The gladiator is proving to be a great stick. I don’t think you would be disappointed with that upgrade.

The good old days!

That is an impressive setup! Enjoy all that amazing hardware!

I am sorry to hear that. Any specific reasons why and which one?

@@JoeNDBAVIATION Yes, the yoke pitch is not smooth. It binds so hard it's unusable.

The HOTAS are setup to replicate a fighter cockpit. Usually in those cockpits the throttle is on the left and stick input middle/right. The Tflight HOTAS One is oriented as such. That is why I recommend general aviation/commercial aircraft simmers to go with something other than a HOTAS. You can do it but the orientation is off. Unless you are like me for my current seat. Currently I am a First Officer on the A320. The HOTAS style setup works for my current position. When I upgrade, not so much.

@@JoeNDBAVIATION Clear, thank you !

Thank you!

I will do my best to assist. Will this be for a PC or Xbox? 1. That is a great choice. There is some setup to do when it arrives. 2. That depends on preference. Pedals can wait, but if the final goal is to become a pilot, pedals may need to come sooner. I would say there are equally important. 3. If you are on a pc, it will depend on the game. If this is for an XBOX there are more restrictions.

@JoeNDBAVIATION oops! Sorry. We have both, but primary use will be PC, Windows 10

The VKB will not work with the XBOX, so keep that in mind. As far as PC, there are many other games that will utilize the stick and other peripherals. What other games are you considering?

and i just saw you only have 3k insane dude, the production quality is out of this world

Thank you very much!

That sounds like it will be an amazing rig! Nice choices!!!

Well, you could do it all without rudder pedals. All of the sticks have a yaw twist feature built into them. At least I think all of them do. That does take away from the realism factor, but if you are limited by space, you could try that. Does the racing sim have foot pedals, and if so how many and are they axis assignable?

@@JoeNDBAVIATION Hi, it does, I have clutch brake and throttle. I had considered that. In truth I think my best bet might be to get a cheapy rig, put small wheels on the racing rig and just roll it out of the way when I want to fly. Using the desk and office chair is not really an option as in being tall I would be looking at the top of the monitors that sit on the desk. I am considering the Orion 2, but I think I need pedals for that one. Thanks for the perspective.

yup!

I have a similar feeling but it could be used for basic VFR intro and more, it just does not currently offer a FAA stamp for use in BATDs and AATDs.

It really depends on what you plan to fly.

That would be a sight!

@@JoeNDBAVIATION I have the MeganeX superlight 8K VR headset on pre-order but I found out after the fact that they released two other headsets and never shipped anything so now I have $1900 tied up into something that I don’t know I’ll ever get

@@JoeNDBAVIATION considering a full motion simulator cost $10,000 to begin with I’m not too sure that it might not actually be possible to do for the same amount of money. : )

@@XAirForcedotcom Sorry to hear that!

Thank you!

So long as it is USB ,for pc use instead of an Xbox, and is in working condition, it should work.

I will need to find a way to try it out. I have always been skeptical of force feedback. There have been so many iterations that have fallen flat on their noses that it is difficult for me to ever recommend it.

@@JoeNDBAVIATION Force Feedback only was quite good with the Sidewinder FFB2 for the most time, all the competition it had back in the day like the Saitek Cyborg Evo Force or the Thrustmaster one had some sort of issues. And many felt it was adding too much "game-y" stuff to the sims early on. Back in the OG Il-2 days a common recommendation was to remove all ffb files except for the spring and shake ones, to get the most realistic rendition. And that kinda was where lots of people got the FFB2 which most of them kept - me included. And the fact that it could be used for two decades on an almost daily basis speaks for itself. Somewhere around 2009 Logitech gave it another shot with the G940 which was great on paper, but also came with significant flaws, some of them practically unfixable. It was so bad they literally pulled the thing from the shelves. And then there was silence and that 1300 bucks Brunner CLS-E only. And quite a few people who never gave up their fellow Microsoft stick. At some point, VPForce and also FFBeast popped up, the Immersion Inc patents lifted and just this year in late June at Flight Sim Expo, Moza announced their lineup with the base and the stick coming first, followed by a throttle unit and rudder pedals still to come. They also have an extension that adds a twist stick axis. Virpil and WinWing announced FFB bases as well, but they aren't available yet. Also, flitesim announced FFB rudder pedals even. Speaking of which, Brunner already has those in their lineup, but again, they're pretty expensive, but that's due to their build quality since they're trying to serve the professional market rather than the usual consumer. FFB support has been really outstanding in the newer Il-2 Great Battles series as well as its predecessor Rise of Flight, it's also similarly as good in War Thunder as it'S been in the original Il-2 (which you can get by buying the 1946 thing for like 5 bucks or so) and MSFS had support for it at least until FSX, usually it was well advised to get some 3rd party software for that though. Dunno about X-Plane, but I heard their FFB was quite decent as well. The elephant in the room is that FS2020 doesn't support it and needs telemetry FFB provided by 3rd party (the VPForce software does that amazingly well as far as I've heard, in general for all sims - and Moza is working on implementing that to their software as well currently). Same goes for FS2024, but here at least official direct FFB support from Asobo certainly is on the roadmap for like a year to a year and a half by now. Also, AFAIK none of the more recent space sims out there do support FFB as of yet. The main benefit of having FFB in flight sims is the possibility to get real trimmer simulation, which is especially vital in helicopters (that works incredibly well in the DCS ones, it really is a day and night difference) and also have forces that act upon the control surfaces simulated which the Il-2 sims always have been best at. You literally start with a limp stick cold and dark and get pressure on the elevator axis as soon as you throttle up and on the aileron axis it only comes up with speed increase. As soon as you'Re airborne, the forces on all axes do increase the faster you go, so you kinda can get a feel for how fast you're moving. That combined with decent pre-stall buffeting in the stick can actually give you an edge in a dogfight over anyone who doesn't have that. And it just very much adds to the immersion, especially combined with VR which is an entire rabbit hole in itself... :)

Sorry about the delay in the repair. Maybe submit a new ticket just in the event the original was lost in the "system". The Crosswind pedals do look nice!

Of all those devices, the Knobster is the most interesting to me. Thank you for the other peripherals to think about! Happy Flying!

@@JoeNDBAVIATION Your readers should check the VR capability of KnobsterXP and KnobsterFS.

Turtle Beach is represented in the video!

Velocity Flightstick is Turtle Beach

Sorry I stopped watching in the beginning with the list because I saw niether the words turtle beach nor velocity. Thanks

That’s on me. You can find them in the time stamps.

What is your current HOTAS?

@JoeNDBAVIATION a320 thrustmaster stick

@JoeNDBAVIATION airbus tcs

Sorry for the late reply. I would rank those as similar.

Thank you!

Thank you!

I am saying stay away now because I have found better devices within a similar price point. IF you can get the x-56 on a massive discount, like 50-75% off, then I would consider it.

@@JoeNDBAVIATION OK cool, I'll watch this video again to remember the fighter stuff you recommended. Cheers !

Honestly, I think it will take some personal testing to find the sweet spot for that system. When I’m done flying, I will load up x-plane and see what bottlenecks my M1. I would have thought you would have gotten better fps, especially in the demo, with that system.

@@JoeNDBAVIATION Yes, it's kinda disappointing. Guess what? I ended up purchasing the game and am getting around 35-40 fps with mid level graphics setting (higher on the sharpness with less buildings, trees as a trade off). The laptop gets warm with fans running but I believe it is managing the heat pretty well with my A/C on (I live on a tropical island). I think I am gonna use this as an excuse to get a new M4 Max Mac Studio next year, so I can't be any happier! Also, playing with keyboard and mouse works really well (surprising!)

You are welcome!

You beat me for one of the longest working ones. I had one for at least fifteen years before my kids killed it. Now I have one that is only four years old.

I have been working on a pdf for something along those lines. It just takes time. If you had a choice, would you prefer a video or pdf?

@@JoeNDBAVIATION PDF, so it can be printed out. BTW, nice 180 hp C-172.

I am really enjoying the one I have. It is included in my updated video posting sometime today/tomorrow.

I should have an updated version of this video up by next week. What were you thinking of getting?

What fps are you seeing currently with that setup in Msfs 2020? That is a nice setup, maybe a cpu bump but looking at the intel specs you might be okay.

Nice setup.

What are they and how are they cooled?

I really have nothing against it, just not enough time to add it in or spend enough time in the sim to truly speak about it.

What video card and hard drive/SSD/NVME are you using? VR can be intensive, I would recommend looking on the msfs forums to see what others are saying about that processor.

Two very different sim genres. DCS is a combat sim and an entirely different experience. I wish I had the time to get back into DCS. My last combat sim was Lock On Flaming Cliffs 2. I did dabble in DCS in the middle of Covid but did not have the time for it sadly.

The 4070 or a 7900XT would be my main choices in that price point. MSFS 2024 will have a new feature allowing you to set the target fps, it will automatically adjust the appearance to achieve the fps. So, you could go down to the 4060 if you so choose. The visuals will adapt, that could be annoying though.

@@JoeNDBAVIATIONThank you. Appreciate that.

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30 fps was the BBC Cathode Ray television whole screen update. No-one moaned there was stuttering. Even football games, the ball could be followed. Early satelite TV when a football game was shown, the ball turned into a square of pixels when it was moving across the screen. It was crap. 30 fps, I can't detect any inferior movement, cus I'm an old git who grew up on BBC Sports. I installed a package of software which adjusts the TLOD to achieve a target fps. I set it at 40 fps and the scenery is great. I can see the runway at 8 miles from 3000ft. Happy.

Movies are shot in 24 fps for a "look" and it is the standard. You are correct about the 1% lows, but when giving advice I would never recommend the bottom. Many people will add things to the sim and then what was once 30 fps will eventually drop lower. 60 fps is a goal because it leaves room for growth and updates down the road.

@@jameslee-pevenhull5087 absolutely dead wrong, broadcast TV on CRT ran at 50hz in europe and 60hz in america. some programming could use half the framerate, particularly movies, but sports would most definitely have used the full rate. CRT's also didn't have the same motion smearing as modern TV's do.

@@JoeNDBAVIATION movies are shot at 24 to save money on film reels, which are expensive, and high speed projectors are also more expensive to run. 24 was decided to be the minimum framerate that would look "good enough". since the 60's there have been attempts to get movies to run at 60fps or higher, but the economics have fought against it. The "look" is a modern excuse invented simply from being conditioned by decades of a cost saving measure. all modern cinema projectors run at 120hz or more, so there is no reason to use 24 on a digital film other than tradition.

Same!

@@JoeNDBAVIATION my wife is going to kill me with all this money I’m spending 😅