Hahaha, I got a similar speech before he smacked me silly in a pre-cancon practice game! Definitely shook off the rust pretty quick!

I think everybody will! Big hit to the faction

Two Morans have been a real pain in the ass for anybody. F.

I always have to catch myself on Piwell! Zoe and Noel just had such a nice mouthfeel… I’ve played with the thunderbolt TR quite a lot and I think they reach stable status in quite a few of the armies I’ve played. They’ve proved to be very strong and great time wasters for a very low buy in. Also have quite a lot of available synergies with torrent engineers and EVO bots. I’ve found vNomads, Corregidor, MO, and all the mercs to really like them, and that’s just from the factions I’ve played

Keen to see it!

The guy is the only one doing n5 faction reviews and he is crushing it!!

Yeah I’m not quite sure how he fits in, maybe if you could run 2 hawkwoods 😝!

I’ve had a chance to get a Miranda bounty hunter duo on the table and it did really good work. Took Maranda and the Akrylite-Kanone bounty hunter as defensive pieces where I stool Miranda up first and then the bounty hunter after she died, locked up a sight like and wasted a ton of my opponents orders! You could even do the other way around with someone like wolfgang where the bounty hunter is up as a cheap defense but I agree there is a lot at play with those duos! Perseus is pretty amazing with his native BS attack +1 burst making his smoke super reliable and he’s also a monster up close. Could definitely see a haris of percy, stempler, and Miranda or a Grenzer for a gun to top it off!

Yeah I’d say I end up taking units like Scarface and was quite high on him in the video as he can genuinely be one of the new ways to fill a lists points depending on how you build your list! It’s a very unique list building experience where your slots are your most valuable resource, not points or SWC!

With the linked missile bots the extra die is mathematically very valuable in making that missile land, equating to a 20% increase in likelihood to win the FTF. Considering that the cost of your opponent winning that FTF against a missile is now much higher now that they will need to be re-spotlit, I think it’s very valuable to note and something unique to the factions who can link one. With more general remotes, being able to give them marksmanship makes them have some of the higher potential in a game where the general BS skill has been lowered due to link team changes meaning that a supported remote is potentially one of your better options. Always better to be pulling around a specialist as well regarding linking!

There are lots of interesting LT choices outside of Corregidor! Best of luck and thanks for watching!

@InfinityDante for vNomads there is a selection. A couple of brawlers, but mostly cheap LT's. The Mobile Brigada and Interventor as synergies, but not much else. The Kriza and Taskmaster are the brawlers and the Kulak Payback Unit has CoC to back them up. Otherwise, nothing special. I think Nomads are better off having a cheap Lt and spend the points and SWC on useful troopers. Lore wise, Nomads are not meant to have solid command and control. They are more ad hoc in their command structure.

Yeah I’m planning on doing an initial reaction to vanilla soon and a moderator or interventor is probably just the correct choice. I think you’re on the money with your analysis where the points spent on the brawlers and chain of command is probably better spent

Hey mate! If you’re on the web version there’s an options tab on the bottom right, if you’re on the app there’s a settings button top left!

@InfinityDante thanks man! I never noticed!

Whaaat?

Yeah it can be a bit mismatched lore wise but gameplay wise I think it’s a pretty genius mechanic. Do you find the consequence too large gameplay wise or just in a lore sense? How often do you think you go into loss of lieutenant?

I think it's a brilliant mechanic. Compared to 40k where killing the warlord means nothing, it's such a dramatic consequence that it gives the whole game a tension that keeps me engaged.

@ Good opinion too

The main consequence is it breaks the links. Your command tokens are a good ressource to represent your capacity to soldier on through a difficult loss of coordination, and troopers still have their individual irregular orders. In the absolute worst case scenarios, use the turn in LoL to re-group and consolidate your forces. Takes the easy shots that are available and set yourself up for the next turn. It's an excellent time to use your doctors and engineers since they're stuck using their own orders anyway. Make sure to choose your new Lt following the same reasoning outlined in the video but taking in the changed context of the current stage of the game (Great opportunity to put the lt for the next turn on your most well positioned brawler option). How vulnerable you are to LoL is a decision made at the list-building stage. If you have an obvious weakness in that area, you are telegraphing it to your opponent and incentivizing them to actually gun for your Lt. Making it far more likely to end up in LoL in the first place. If you have LoL resilience built-in, your opponent is wasting their ressources going for a decapitation run, and them deciding to doing so anyway would be to your advantage. LoL is just another axis on which you can skew your list effectiveness on. It has appropriate consequences for the positive skew it gives (Min-maxing order efficiency; Maximized when things goes well but Minimized when thing go wrong).

@ We can always go Combined Army Vanilla or Morat lol

It depends on the lieutenant honestly. If it’s a concession lieutenant I’m absolutely taking a decoy or some other kind of protection like CoC but if it’s any of the other kinds you’re usually playing them with the understanding that your opponent will know who they are. In most tournament games of infinity I play me and my opponent are at least vaguely aware of what each others opponents are being able to narrow it down to between 1-3 models or camo markers on the table. The real game in actually protecting your LT is to make it so that the risk in trying to kill it outweighs the benefit killing said LT could provide in your opponents mind. If your opponent realizes that your LT is say an aguacil, but looks over the table and sees 2 aguacils on different rooftops on my DZ past a Moran and an ARO piece, it’s likely that they will chooses instead to engage in the mission or attack other priority targets to advance the board state reliably rather than waste their first turn (which may cost them the game) on a 50/50 shot at shooting the right guy, if they can get there in the first place. Using the examples in the video, an alpha is obvious as would be a zeta as soon as he spends that LT order but part of the LT game is picking an LT whose benefits outweigh their vulnerabilities, even if that benefit is as small as having a valid list. TDLR; no, keeping my LT a secret does not tend to be a real concern if your LT has been selected in a good way and if your list has been built to facilitate or protect the LT Hope this helps!

I'm a noob, but last week I had the best set of games. My lieutenant got isolated and my coc model got killed turn 2! It led to a handshake. Then next game I went up against a much better player and managed to rocket his Lt in my alpha strike! It was so much fun watching him scramble with turn 1 under loss. He clawed it back but the experience was amazing both ways. Loving my journey in Infinity so far, every game tells a story.

Hey mate! Love questions, feel free to drop more as you think of them 1. What makes a good lieutenant (LT) is such a good question that I might make a whole video on it. The first thing you have to understand is what context you’re in. An LT can be a good or acceptable LT in one faction while being unplayable in another. A Corregidor aguacil is a fine LT in Corregidor but no other faction would dream of playing one. The context in O12 factions is that you have the ment agent who totally covers for the risk aspect of the LT meaning O12 only really focuses on the effect of what an LT can bring to the table while for other factions the LT is a more restrictive aspect. Considering this context, a good LT in O12 is one whose status as an LT has a noticeable impact on the game. There are 2 broad categories of good LT’s in O12 being units that make good use of the LT order and LTs that provide other benefits by virtue of being LT such as Strategos or extra command tokens. You can look at a LT and ask ‘does it fit into either of these categories?’ and if the answer is yes, then it’s a good sign that it’s at least a decent LT. This method filters units like the raveneye, Cho, kappas, ect. as they do not make good use of the LT order or provide any extra benefit and highlights units like the zeta or saladin. Now this rule isn’t hard and fast, in starmada the raveneye is probably a better LT than hector due to other factors like cost and fire teams but I hope these gives you some good heuristics when it comes to LT’s. 2. When it comes to toolbox units you have to ask a few key questions being: a. what tools is the unit bringing; b. what is the likelihood the unit will use said tools; c. how good is the unit at using its tools; and d. how much is the unit paying for its tools. In the case of the Bronze, it pays for tools like it’s CC tools and abilities, 360 visor, climbing plus, and usually a gun (a gun is a tool) where it barely meets the standard of competency for shooting (BS13 no mods), does not meet the standard of being able to take on other CC models and is unlikely to reach CC, and has boutique gear that it pays for that does not help it in any of its roles. 3. Tristan isn’t a fan of Bagbomb from a game design perspective where in N4 we had a skill that was far more elegant that had the same effect as bagbomb. Tristan also has a particular destain for infinity modifiers that break the rule of working in multiple of 3’s such as the Zeta’s ECM -8 annoying him. As a skill, bagbomb is fine

Hey mate, just dropped a video re LT’s

Yeah I really like him and frenzy has always been a big bugbear but it’s more that it affects him when he’s linked now but not much change on the AD profile. I like him in MO quite a bit but I think the crusher edges him out in Starmada. He’s still playable tho

What Sophotect Emitter Turret?!?!

Beta just has garbage ARO.

I think one of our big takeaways is that you just have better LT options. If you’re playing a one of game I understand that but for a tournament list I’d find it hard to take over the other options

Beta trooper is definitely not meant to ARO but having a pure keyworded secudriod is more what we where getting at

@ for 4 points. Maybe. The Raveneye which I admit you are taking anyway is one committed impersonator from getting whacked. The blue coat has much better odds of surviving that attack.

@@RattlerNxt 2 Raveneyes would be better than a single Bluecoat any day, and they arnt difficult to fit in.

Yeah it really was a shame to see them not get any real help. I think any combination of what you suggest would’ve helped quite a bit