Mate, your legend you have helped me so much aye but a quick one which would you prefer over the 2?
@RetroactivearcadeCa4 күн бұрын
@bobleeswagger3765 personally I would go with a Pandor's box DX Special. There will be a new version of the 10th anniversary that will work with a trackball. If you must have GT then cheese are the better choice for sure, get the one with the most games!
@bobleeswagger37653 күн бұрын
@@RetroactivearcadeCa thanking you
@ThePlainswalker134 күн бұрын
Thank you for this video and the PDF diagrams on your website. Awesome resources.
@CodiMorphett8 күн бұрын
I'm interested in seeing if these are viable for a DIY music device
@chrisramirez234018 күн бұрын
22:10 I'm gonna call my wife The Nut Wrench... she also says my nuts are big, ugly, and gross... but she'll still crank on them 👍
@thepenultimateninja579728 күн бұрын
I used plywood for my cabinet, because MDF and particleboard turn to oatmeal if they are exposed to moisture. Furniture-grade plywood will not delaminate over time as described in this video, except under extreme conditions that would totally destroy paritcleboard or MDF. Plywood is also nowhere near as heavy as the other two. It's still heavy enough to stay put, but not so heavy that you can't move it if you need to. I moved house a couple of years ago, and was able to get my arcade machine down the stairs from the second floor all by myself. No way I could have done that if it had been made of MDF or particleboard.
@ZacharyC-sl2uhАй бұрын
still have no clue what im doing
@fatheronfire1979Ай бұрын
I have a question what brand is spring loaded?
@SumeaBizarroАй бұрын
There is no PCB . PCB does not explain a mechanism of a switch a PCB inside the button does nothing and would do nothing. It would been more apt to compare sanwa switches to "switches somewhat like mechanical keyboards" - It would not been entirely correct either but it is in same ball park away from microswitch actuated buttons. What is ACTUALLY inside Sanwa style switch for their buttons is two contacts, a ball bearing and a spring. When pressed the ball bearing goes down a plastic ledge against two contact points. The spring ... more or less according to scholars; SOMEHOW also keeps the ball bearing UP until pressed again, this is because of a notch in the plunger that keeps the ball bearing with the slightly horn shaped spring in right neutral position when not pressed. But no button, NO BUTTON "has just a PCB" inside, PCB is where you attach switches to not what a switch mechanism comprises for. Even a magnetically activated button would have a mechanism of magnets or such and not "a PCB inside". TL;DR: Japanese buttons, as far as I know both Seimitsu and Sanwa have: Two internal contacts (same ones you see outside actually), a ball bearing, a spring, and clever stuff with housing. They are actually rather easy to take apart, clean up and thus "refurbish" rather than replace entirely every time. The mechanism is clever, simple and gives a feel of a "gaming keyboard" for lack of better comparison, they are rather linear and react fast to inputs. Japanese rhythm games actually have more american like setup with microswitches. VERY similar to 20 dollar sanwa buttonws without a switch. And goes without saying: if you are building a japanese style cabinet you will use japanese parts. Japan uses these sanwa and seimitsu parts in their cabinets and since Japan still has an arcade market, those buttons and sticks are around in those cabinets. Both retro and new machines use them and are still in use widely in japan. And, the superiority of those parts especially for playing shmups without turbo is unparalled, you cannot two finger drum a microswitch button like a sanwa or seimitsu. Maybe if you use a 15 or 20g microswitch without a spring, maybe. But, I cannot claim your knowledge of special and less special western arcade parts is not on point. Funny enough that same stuff applies to Japanese sanwa buttons used in rhythm games and such, they are very similar just the outside shape is different and microswitch line used is Omron as it is in the Japanese sticks.
@liamconverse89502 ай бұрын
I have heard people refer to Sanwa buttons as having micro switches before. But I guess that's not technically accurate?
@SumeaBizarroАй бұрын
Yes and no. The basic OBSF 30 or 20 millimeter buttons used in fight sticks, any "basic normal game" and such use a different type of switch that has a ball bearing and spring and two contacts working together with clever shapers in plastics to make a switch that is somewhat similar to linear cherry MX switches. Some japanese retro keyboards use same basic mechanism for their keys. BUT also yes as Sanwa buttons used in rhythm games, that are square, or rectangular, or big hamburger shaped round (If you seen; Beatmania IIDX; Pop'n Music, Sound voltex) use sanwa buttons that are just about same with american style microswitch buttons shown here. Same ability to insert LED's inside for controller illumination, microswitch on bottom and springs. Only difference is the microswitches used are Omron that have wider range of options and are frankly said higher quality. If you order an aftermarket controller to play these types of games at home you DO NOT CHEAP OUT ON THE MICROSWITCH. Honeywell is default from some makers and while light they wear down and become fuzzy fast. Actual arcades default to springs with 100g switches that should with heavy use become easier to play with than brand new, but other Japanese/Round 1 western venues opt to tweak the switches down to 50g or 25g omrons. If you are interested in type of button I am talking about; Search for Sanwa OBSA-45UK. If you are interested in lighter than standard 100g Omron microswitches, search for VX-01-1A3 for 50g force switch or if even lighter, 25g omron is D2MV-01-1C2. Though according to one review, Tactical and Audible feedback from the switch is all but gone at that point making VX-01-1A3 most likely best button microswitch, if you want a microswitched button for it's tactile properties.
@liamconverse8950Ай бұрын
@@SumeaBizarro Okay I just meant the typical standard arcade buttons
@MrTripcore2 ай бұрын
Which button for pinball
@RetroactivearcadeCa2 ай бұрын
Any of these buttons will work but most common is the Suzo Happ
@nephilimbray2 ай бұрын
Question! I built a cabinet and I'm testing the buttons and sticks at the moment. I have an analog joystick and I've noticed it hits the sides of the holes in the cabinet a bit. Is there a type of cushion or cover for the hole that doesn't interfere with the 8 directional switches? Also I'm worried the mounting screws for the joystick will come off the cabinet, any advice on how to make sure it stays mounted properly? (Wood glue on the screws or something?) Thanks
@RetroactivearcadeCa2 ай бұрын
Hi, the joystick hitting the sides of the hole is 1 of 2 issues either your holes are too small (usually holes are same as button holes) or you stick is mounted too low. Most people would resess the bottom of the wood about a 1/4" on a 3/4" panel so it allows for more travel. You can use a grommet/dowel insert for your screws or you can use crush/lock washers where your screw heads meet the joystick so the screws don't wiggle out over time. The best way is to use a small carriage bolt right through the control panel for optimal strength but guys don't like seeing the screws so......
@nephilimbray2 ай бұрын
@@RetroactivearcadeCa awesome thank you for the quick reply! I'll play around with the hole and see what I can do. Carriage bolt is a good idea, I could make it so the vinyl I'm going toinstall will cover the bolt. Thanks a lot!
@cbaxter6527Ай бұрын
@@nephilimbray Hole issue: bigger hole or router 1/4" from bottom to raise mount. You can router the top hole with a 1/4" round or 45 angle to open the hole a bit (chamfered inside edge); or just drill a bigger hole. It is covered by the dust cover. Carriage bolts - counterbore holes to be flush or use countersink flat heads and countersink the hole to be flush. First method used on arcades to hide bolts under vinyl control top and some holes even epoxied to be flat finish before vinyl covering.
@jomorken48532 ай бұрын
I have an arcade stick, pin and I wanted to use it in a synth project
@corbinbuesch2893 ай бұрын
Heads up.... Ultimarc has gold leaf buttons.😅
@RetroactivearcadeCa3 ай бұрын
Just so you know, we have the same ones and we call them Fusion buttons. And just so everyone knows, they are from China called Crown buttons. All the same, thanks for the heads up!
@corbinbuesch2893 ай бұрын
@RetroactivearcadeCa good to know! Always good to have multiple hardware shops to choose from (just gonna add you guys to the list real quick😅). Forgot to say it earlier, great vid!
@corbinbuesch2893 ай бұрын
Oh hey... might want to clarify on website or vids that fusions are goldleaf buttons (if you don't already)... if people (like me, new to the hobby) are looking for those and don't see the term, they'll likely go to the next guy.
@RetroactivearcadeCa3 ай бұрын
Just because Ulltimarc brands it a certain way doesn't mean that it is a standard. You should do your homework.
@SumeaBizarroАй бұрын
@@RetroactivearcadeCa Crown is KOREAN, Does it look chinese? Trying to make a reference to Dave Chappelle joke.
@Davideturner3 ай бұрын
Dude, why are you the only one covering all of this clearly? TY!!
@urielarellano74593 ай бұрын
What's your phone number again
@rainmaker64823 ай бұрын
Goodjob
@Cook-zj2ks3 ай бұрын
Quick question but when doing cleaning/maintenance on a iL eurojoystick does it need any lubricant like a jlf?
@RetroactivearcadeCa3 ай бұрын
It wouldn't hurt to do it but you don't have to.
@Cook-zj2ks3 ай бұрын
@@RetroactivearcadeCa Gotcha and thanks boss.
@BluffMunkey4 ай бұрын
Just to point out, microswitch joysticks aren't analogue.
@MegaZAPHOD3 ай бұрын
Yeah. They're either on or off, in other words, digital. Analog joysticks operate under a range of voltages, allowing for contol by applying varying positions along a single axis. He has it reversed.
@glxxyz3 ай бұрын
I agree he’s wrong but we had analog media before digital, so in his mind maybe the old microswitches are ‘analog’ and the newer controls with variable positions are ‘digital’.
@MegaZAPHOD3 ай бұрын
@@glxxyz A common misconception, no doubt.
@cbaxter6527Ай бұрын
analogue a person or thing seen as comparable to another. Yah! Reel Tape vs CD, Op amp vs TTL, micro switch vs micro switch. Oh, One don't seem like the other... Who moved that Ultimarc UltraStik? Com'on guys. I'm doin' a very important vid.
@WintermintP4 ай бұрын
Hi Casey, I noticed that in your video you were talking about response times in contexts of games, but what would happen if I were to, say, try to use these buttons for something that's *not* a game? I know Buckethead used to have his own signature guitar where he had two Sanwa buttons in his guitar and both of them were basically momentary buttons where, because engaging it would kill the signal, he would often create a stutter effect manually by repeatedly pressing the button and thus using the button in tandem with the guitar's signal to come up with crazier-than-normal shreds on his guitar. Is the Sanwa really that helpful for something like *that*, or is it more of an old-school situation where you don't really notice the difference?
@RetroactivearcadeCa4 ай бұрын
The Sanwa buttons are a higher quality momentary pushbutton because they are a digital connection. They have a better response rate with no moving parts other than the plunger touching the pcb. This will work a lot better for what you are thinking and they are allow a lot more shallow than traditional push buttons so they will fit in a smaller housing.
@WintermintP4 ай бұрын
@@RetroactivearcadeCa O.Ob Thank you.
@SumeaBizarroАй бұрын
@@RetroactivearcadeCa There is no PCB. There is moving parts. Sanwa button is a ball bearing, spring, two contacts (those contacts extend outside where you connect the button from) and plunger. When pressed metal bearing touches contacts, when released shape of the plastics inside and plunger raise the ball bearing up and away from the contacts. Zero PCB, just something similar to leaf switch with crazy japanese engineering. And it is not me saying that. A mechanical keyboard fan "Chryosan" on youtube who has switches dating back to 50's and 60's listed Japanese style switch used in some Japanese keyboards that is also the type of switch used in sanwas as "one of the most baffling and crazy switch mechanisms I have seen, what the heck is even going on here?" But; still. Contacts, bearing, spring (Spring is shaped like a horn), cleverly shaped housing in plastics for everything. Works. spring works both for the benefit of the mechanism and what springs do best. Likely very similar to leaf switches not available anymore. Also likely reason they are used in those hybrid buttons to have old feeling buttons with closer to pre-microswitch only world of western buttons.
@JS-uo8rq4 ай бұрын
Can I connect straight to the vga from the board to monitor? Or do I still need a cga to vga converter board
@RetroactivearcadeCa4 ай бұрын
If your monitor has a VGA input then you can connect it directly. If not then you need the CGA converter
@Spawn-wt6ul4 ай бұрын
What about wiring the IL Lorenzo Eurojoystick? I have a wiring harness with a JST connector for the joystick where as the IL Eurojoystick just has microswitches and no JST connector board. Do I just cut off the JST connector?
@RetroactivearcadeCa4 ай бұрын
Yes you will have to cut it off and use the connector size for the microswitches which should be .187 or you can solider the wires to the microswitch directly.
@aaronnix68714 ай бұрын
IL buttons are not identical to Happ, IL buttons have a shorter travel
@SumeaBizarroАй бұрын
If you remove the spring they technically will have the same travel. and unless you go lower than 50g microswitch, the springs can be removed.
@juniorcruz90704 ай бұрын
Can we add more games on the 4s?
@VaxxedStories4 ай бұрын
How would I emulate a mouse click on a USB cord?
@THEMARTIALARTSCHANNEL-bb4fx4 ай бұрын
Do you have a pandoras box 2 to sell me?
@bigChrisWithAtinyPeice5 ай бұрын
It's annoying.I have one, you can't save your games.And I do not know how to program the buttons for the fighting games
@mrdestroyer78155 ай бұрын
Good afternoon I’m trying to hook up my jamma bored onto a arcade one up it won’t come off the test mode. I switched the four dip switch and S1 does not work which is strange because I can take it off the button touch it to the negative and it works but it doesn’t work with the micro switch I changed out the micro switch, any ideas?
@NinjaRed50005 ай бұрын
Interesting video. I do have a strong preference to western buttons mostly because I like the concave plunger, but I also respect Japanese buttons. Recently they released concave plungers for Sanwa buttons; replace the microswitch with a switch from Seimitsu along with the concave plungers and you get the best of both worlds. I had to admit I can't say I'm too big a fan of cherry switches on buttons, a little too tense if you ask me. Groovygamegear used to sell microleaf switches that were fantastic but sadly they seem to be discontinued.
@RetroactivearcadeCa5 ай бұрын
You should take a look at our new Hybrid buttons called Fusion buttons. retroactivearcade.ca/collections/concave
@NinjaRed50005 ай бұрын
@@RetroactivearcadeCaInteresting. Can you swap out the microswitches?
@SumeaBizarroАй бұрын
@@NinjaRed5000 The fusion buttons most likely use a japanese style switch, (not a microswitch just a switch or mechanical button mechanism if you want to go with that) - but seems to be unique to the fusion buttons, pictures of the product are not good enough to make guesses. If you want a microswitch button, but tweak it's properties one is to remove the springs, microswitches unless you go to extremely light ones like 15g honeywells are strong enough alone. Other is to look into Omron made ones. They have a variety of activation strengths that also help the button feel right, but with less force. Hardcore rhythm gamers tweak this a lot since games like beatmania IIDX or Sound Voltex use big sanwa buttons that are like american buttons, long, spring, microswitch, but for ease of very rapid rhythm gaming even game centers (or ; Japanese Arcades) tweak the hardware to have 50g or 25g omron switches and ligher spring, or no spring. I myself last time I owned one used 50g omrons without a spring and those were easy enough for me to use. 15g honeywell was actually nice to use, but the quality was so low that even a single person use of a controller caused fuzzy inputs before even a full year of owning my first controller. TL;DR: No, likely, if you want to go for microswitch buttons and look into omron switches. Panasonic was apparently another but their best is not even available anymore making Omron the only Japanese, and high quality option with granular choices for your activation strength.
@funkrates47785 ай бұрын
So an IL/Happ lever wouldn’t be good for competition? It’s really that much slower than the Japanese digital levers? I had it in my mind that I’d try to recreate an American style fight stick.
@RetroactivearcadeCa5 ай бұрын
A true competition fight stick for newer games like Street Fighter and Mortal Combat on your Xbox or PS 5 use the JLF, Hori etc. If you want to kick it old school and play retro games, The Suzo/IL are the best for those games for sure.
@funkrates47785 ай бұрын
@@RetroactivearcadeCa Thank you for the advice. I just got the IL Eurostick in the mail. I thought it was an exaggeration that the the lever had a lot of tension on it but, no, *it really has a lot of tension!* It feels as if it would be a real workout. I think my Korean back dash would last for a couple games and then my arm would be too tired to do it correctly. lol
@guillaumeade87935 ай бұрын
Hi, does it work without the little IDE PCB BOARD Setup?.thx
@retardedpigeon24875 ай бұрын
Thanks, really helped me out with wiring.
@aaronwadzinski57615 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your know-how with all of us.
@doc.cynical88526 ай бұрын
for the generic blue micro switch since its my only option for arcade buttons where do i attach the black wire is it below or is it the one thats in the middle?
@RetroactivearcadeCa6 ай бұрын
Your black wire (Ground) attaches to the bottom connector that has a 90 degree bend in it. The middle button is where you connect your action (Live) wire.
@1Wayfix6 ай бұрын
Do you have a idea why my pandora 12s. Wont work. It got frozen. On the welcome screen. Already check the sd card. ?
@RetroactivearcadeCa6 ай бұрын
Is it frozen in the main menu? Can you see games in the games in the game list? If you do not have any response from your controls and buttons, you just have to add a credit to activate them. To avoid this, set you Pandora's box to freeplay in the service menu.
@1Wayfix6 ай бұрын
@@RetroactivearcadeCa It got stuck right after turn on. And. Just say pandora 3d rrtv 12s. On the screen.
@RetroactivearcadeCa6 ай бұрын
@@1Wayfixdisconnect the JAMMA harness and turn it on. You need to check the 12V power lead with a multimeter at the harness connection point to make sure it is providing 12V. Too much is very bad for the PD and too little will not power it up properly. You can also do a reset or try holding down the menu button when you power on the PD. This test will only change the video output but if it changes through the modes your board is still good. If none of this works you can contact 3A Game or download the image of your version from their website to restore the SD drive.
@1Wayfix6 ай бұрын
@@RetroactivearcadeCa thank you. So much for. You. You. Answer. I apréciate. 🙏
@1Wayfix6 ай бұрын
@@RetroactivearcadeCa 3a game is a website
@MrParacristo6 ай бұрын
OK... Question for you. I want to build a Atari Assault cabinet and game. The original game came with Flight/Zaxxon/Tron style joysticks that have a trigger and housing on the stick itself. Is there a way to retrofit a new joystick to work with the original housings and trigger? The Assault housing are available online but i don't know how to put the two together...
@cbaxter6527Ай бұрын
check out a GRS Arcade Flight Stick by tsticks (Baolian Industry Co. Tron stick remake). The orignal stick parts needs to be retrofitted and you need a lathe to cut a length of hollow rod with groves for the clips before mounting the housing halves.
@cbaxter6527Ай бұрын
There are many vids on youtube showing mods using the GRS Arcade Tron/Flight Stick
@StudentTrader7 ай бұрын
Sweet! Very detailed thanks
@OnafetsEnovap7 ай бұрын
Has anyone here had any experience with non-round buttons? I know Sanwa Denshi make square and triangular ones and I'm curious to know how they fare, as I'm thinking of putting them into my next fightstick as main buttons.
@SumeaBizarroАй бұрын
The small ones likely use same switch used in the round OBSF buttons; and if you are indeed a madlad I can respect, they should be the same. The bigger ones used in beatmania and such use a microswitch and are extremely similar and same to american buttons with microswitches presented here. If you actually want to build a fighting game controller with beatmania OBSA-45UK buttons, I respect you, a stranger as much as my own mother and would also implore you to look into lightest spring possible, or removing springs entirely, and go with Omron microswitches either VX-01-1A3 for 50g actuation force, down from standard 100g, still having tactile and audible click, or D2MV-01-1C2 for absolutely light 25g force but also tactile feel from the switch according to some all but gone.
@OnafetsEnovapАй бұрын
@@SumeaBizarro Thanks for the advice, and the reverence. :)
@h.m.57247 ай бұрын
Never listen to someone who confuses Japanese and Chinese when talking about technology
@MiyamotoMusashi94 ай бұрын
Great point, but his intention is ok
@cbaxter65277 ай бұрын
12V is brighter is only the case for incandescent bulbs. LED bulbs usually use the same LED dies but paired with larger ballast resistors not to burnout the LED. Diode voltage range from 1.4V to 3.6V depending on colour and mix. They may produce super bright diodes but they will consume more power with more power/heat dissipation. 12V LEDs are more for convenience in setup
@RomeoRuizMusic7 ай бұрын
I know this video is a bit older , but I was just curious. Do you all sell the Pandoras Box on your website ? I couldn’t find it. I think I have a clone at the moment. But I may want to get a real one sometime in the future. Thank you kindly. (Oh never mind. I see you guys have discontinued these. :( do you know where I could still get an authentic real one that’s built into the shell? Thanks
@lukeman428 ай бұрын
can you do a video on the marquee ? I purchased same unit
@R3LAPS3productions8 ай бұрын
I'm curious what type of microswitches are in gold leaf buttons? I tried to do some research on gold leaf buttons but couldn't discover any info about that specific button that was a solid answer.
@andrewjameslyon2 ай бұрын
There is no microswitch in the goldleaf button - there is a LEAF SWITCH inside the button housing. A leaf switch is simply 2 metal contacts that complete the circuit when you press the button. They take less force to activate, the current flow is immediate, and they don't have the "clicky" sound that microswitch buttons are known for. Leaf switches are often used in virtual pinball cabinets, especially for flipper buttons.
@R3LAPS3productions2 ай бұрын
@@andrewjameslyon Thanks I finally figured out how leaf switches opporate. I did discover they are mainly used for pinball machines although I'm not using leaf buttons for pinball. At this point I'm not sure if I like leas and am considering trying something with a micro switch like some IL buttons or happ.
@scottlewis38968 ай бұрын
Cavalon game is wrong game can you just change the rom to match the game it should be Or swap the rom and rename it to the wrong game to get cavalon to work . If that makes sense
@marianoen31588 ай бұрын
don't buy the course , there is some information, a lot of useless stuff , doesn't give you the pdf and after all that even the plan is for 1/2 cabinet, nobody cares about those, your paying to do the real thing, its ok to do the training with the smaller one but give the real stuff after. And there is no measurements on the plan. Don't pay 40$ for that. there is tones of videos showing you how to do 1/2 cabinets and small cabinets.
@RetroactivearcadeCa8 ай бұрын
Technically the plans have measurements embedded within the .dxf file. If you can open this file there should be measuring tools within the program you are using that tells you the length of each line. (Autocad or Ai for eg.) These lessons are designed for you to create your own machine, or scale these files to your needs. We are showing you the techniques to build your own design as described it the first few videos. If you want to use these files you are welcome to but we encourage your design your own or modify these ones. As for the half size machines it is easer to show on video at half scale rather than full scale for scope of view, this is why we decided on this. If you want full scale machine plans then all you need to do is increase the file to 200% and it will be an exact size of a standard machine. The techniques are the same no matter what the scale of the cabinet is. The PDF files are just short descriptions of the tools needed for each lesson and some links to the tools and materials we use if you need to buy them. There should be PDF files downloadable on the left side of the modules that have files associated with them. If signed up to get plans for an arcade machine, that is not the point of the lessons and all of our advertising describes this.
@D_Seveneight8 ай бұрын
Elon
@vintagebluenote85649 ай бұрын
I don't know how pause the game😭😭😭
@RetroactivearcadeCa9 ай бұрын
When you are playing the game it should just be the start button, it will bring up a menu asking if you want to pause continue or exit
@ryanbarre23909 ай бұрын
I thought you had a video about trackball and spinners, did you take it down?