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@cireroog9308
@cireroog9308 15 сағат бұрын
Thanks man for the video. This fixed my Labelpoint 100.😄
@SkySky-zr3bt
@SkySky-zr3bt 17 сағат бұрын
Mammoth repair and beyond my knowledge! Great video!
@SkySky-zr3bt
@SkySky-zr3bt 20 сағат бұрын
I learn SO MUCH from this video! Huge thanks for great video! Cheers
@claudelang521
@claudelang521 21 сағат бұрын
Why have an Ultrasonic cleaner if your gonna use a brush ?? Defeats the purpose.
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 21 сағат бұрын
The choices available to get rid of every bit of flux residue are: 1. 10mins in the cleaner. 2. 4mins and the use of a brush, and I can target the known stubborn areas of the PCBs. Don't forget I routinely clean 25 boards in one go, that's a lot of minutes saved.
@zihanliu-ho6qe
@zihanliu-ho6qe 4 күн бұрын
HP 34401 has an error 625. The I/O processor does not respond
@8BitNaptime
@8BitNaptime 7 күн бұрын
I have that portable oscilloscope.
@darrenmurphy6251
@darrenmurphy6251 14 күн бұрын
2430a my 1st storage scope , and iam constantly scared its going to die so ive got a complete 2430m for spares + extra spares too ,so far its had 2 new (used) trigger chips new mem batt and a backup made of all eproms, full recap of the lt psu and hv psu and all the hybrids removed and sockets and silver hybrid pads cleaned with ipa being my 1st digital scope i was confused by the apparently high "noise floor" thought it was a fault! and i didnt know about aliasing so i wonder if it really needed those trigger chips at all! at least i kept the old ones but one bit of advice =the ccd,s run hot as hell so its very bad to run these with the case open because the fan wont flow without the case to duct the air ,always use a desk fan or 120mm pc fan facing the ccds when running case open. edit i have a habit of comenting before watching to the end sorry! currently the astig needs adusting every boot from cold and the on screen menu/readouts disappear when hot but its so complex to look into that, need to build up motivation ,a 2245a ,2246a and a siglent sds1202xe are my daily drives
@Romello_Pietersz
@Romello_Pietersz 14 күн бұрын
If you don't take Power Factor into your calculations, your energy consumption will be wrong.
@jonathanhendry9759
@jonathanhendry9759 16 күн бұрын
The RIGOL I got off eBay came without the rear plastic cover, so what I did was I bought a plate of aluminum about the right size and put holes in the plate that matched some threaded holes on the back of the scope, and also some holes that matched a VESA mount.
@saeedsobhani1981
@saeedsobhani1981 16 күн бұрын
Amazing job, never knew that we can wash circuits with water and not causing damage to the electronics ❤
@lo2740
@lo2740 17 күн бұрын
TEKTONIC scopes are cool for morning exercise
@1975RStefan
@1975RStefan 18 күн бұрын
There is a vid on YT called "Tektronix 2430A external calibration procedure", that should also work for the 2430 without "A". After that the internal calibration routine should be performed. The LV-PS looks quiet a little different than that from the newer "A" variant. But mostly the same. I would suggest to replace all electrolytic caps. Because sooner or later they all will follow up starting leaking. I replaced them all by using (its no advertising) Panasonic FR-A (EEU-FR) series capacitors. These are not too expensive and have low ESR and long life span. The most expensive ones to replace are the storage capacitors at the mains input after the mains bridge rectifier. (the Sprague's) I replaced them by using EPCOS/TDK B43547F2687M000, because at the mains site are no compromises or excuses. After and after I also replaced them on the acquisition board, the logic (processor) boards and the side board. The few axial ones located at the side board and the logic boards I replaced with MAL213826229E3 and TE1204-E3. Else as must people suggest, I left all tantalum caps where they are. Tantalums are very long lasting if they were not previously mistreated. Of coarse its a lot of work, but since I ve done, the unit works very well since years. To do such effort, you must like these scopes.
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 16 күн бұрын
Tried replying to your email. but your ISP is bouncing emails. I am in discussion with them as to why, as it seems they have very high criteria to what constitutes a legitimate domain/email. I've never seen anything like it!
@up2tech
@up2tech 18 күн бұрын
Where can I find such rom to download?
@capriracer351
@capriracer351 18 күн бұрын
I went through this with my 2430. You will most likely have to replace the Keeper lithium backup battery and do a full calibration. Before I removed the old one, I rigged up a battery holder with two AA batteries in series and soldered them in place in the hope that it would at least keep some of the constants intact. Not sure if that was necessary or not, but I do know that I skipped some of the calibration steps that I did not have the proper equipment for and everything worked good after I was done. There is a jumper that is internal to the 'scope that must be switched to allow the full calibration. (I just walked downstairs to check, J156 needs to be removed to do the full cal, then replaced when the full cal has been completed). There is a procedure in the service manual that will walk you through all of this. Also, these 'scopes are very sensitive to any AC ripple. I originally replaced the RIFA caps in mine (before they exploded, but they WERE cracked) and also that 820uf cap just as you did. I didn't feel that the rest warranted replacement. I replaced the 820uf with a 1,000uf, I think. I kept getting odd glitches and freeze ups. Pulled the rest of those caps in the power supply board and replaced with new. The problem did not present itself nearly as often. With more exhaustive testing, I found that most of those caps were getting electrically leaky, even though they tested in spec. I still would have occasional freeze ups after replacing those caps, just not nearly as often. After some more testing, I found that those 22uf, 35 volt radial leaded bypass caps that are all over most of the boards were getting dodgy as well. Replaced them and now I rarely have a problem. Just once in a very great while. There is a LOT going on in this 'scope, so I have to wonder if there were not glitches sometimes even when new.
@harrimansat
@harrimansat 18 күн бұрын
It seems a CCD problem. Tektronix did not sell CCD as spare part because there could be compatibility issues with the boards if you replace only the CCD. I changed one in a 2432 and it was impossible to fully calibrate it
@stevenbliss989
@stevenbliss989 18 күн бұрын
It's a CONVENTIONAL scope, I know I used tro use it. It has CRAP storage ability, pretty good at the time.
@Choober65
@Choober65 19 күн бұрын
You simply can't get better than one of those tek scopes. My 2236 is ancient but I wouldn't swap it for a top end modern scope. Whether the caps measure good or not, ALL of them should be replaced in these scopes. I was told this by an ex Tek tecnician. Regarding the calibration failure, try the NVRAM battery?
@stevemahrer7097
@stevemahrer7097 19 күн бұрын
Deja Vu experience for me, my eBay purchase Tek 2465B scope decided to let the magic smoke escape, yes, the RIFA cap committed suicide! It had swelled to a fat cracked plastic bubble. After cap replacement, be sure to check the low value resistors across the AC PSU filter inductors, and thermistors… The scope may work, but the R’s get hot! They were double nominal value. Ask me how I know…😳 Cheers! Steve
@sigurasg
@sigurasg 19 күн бұрын
My 2430 had the same errors (after I fixed the fallout from the battery leaking). As I recall I had to "Cold Start" and then do a couple of rounds of "Self Cal" before the 7-8-9000 errors cleared up. You may also want to take a look at the battery on the CPU board. It's easy to get to, and you can measure both the voltage and the current draw (voltage drop across a 10k resistor in series), see how it's doing. The FP processor detects when the battery is low, but on mine at least, the FP went incommuncado if the battery was low.
@mariusmeiswinkel8339
@mariusmeiswinkel8339 19 күн бұрын
I also have an 3430 and the weired waveform will go away if you press the aquire button on the top right it always starts in a halted state. Then it should work normally. And restart the scope after the calibration.
@blackIce504
@blackIce504 19 күн бұрын
A guess PSU funtime caps went boom....AC filter caps aka X2 film. something about that time those caps have a reputation my Philips scope had same issue as well as other stuff from that time.
@stoptheirlies
@stoptheirlies 19 күн бұрын
Hi Ian, ya lucky git! if that had been me when the caps blew it would have spiked the board and wiped out half the chips! 🙂. Bob Edit: oops! I said the above earlier in the video I do hope I haven't jinxed you mate, we will see in part 2. Good luck.
@gichti1971
@gichti1971 19 күн бұрын
Nice scope! Those hybrids on the bottom board are running very hot - you need to direct a fan to them if you are running the scope out of the outer shell. Edit: Oh dang, you do exactly that later in the video, nevermind lol
@ernestb.2377
@ernestb.2377 19 күн бұрын
Interesting video to look inside these nice machines. But next level digging is needed to solve all those error's. Maybe a downside of these vintage machines, if one is not into it, but if you have time it can be interesting and educational to solve. Good luck.
@thevoidedwarranty
@thevoidedwarranty 20 күн бұрын
That trace looks to me like failed decoupling caps in the input amplifier section but i'm not an expert on tek scopes. Intrested to see the part 2
@Evergreen64
@Evergreen64 20 күн бұрын
I've heard that when caps read over what they should it's most likely because they are leaking and it's taking longer than normal to charge them.
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 20 күн бұрын
The datasheet for these caps specify -10% to a whopping +50% so I’d guess that’s more likely what we are seeing. You’re not wrong though.
@Dutch-linux
@Dutch-linux 20 күн бұрын
you may have some caps somewhere that drift with temp changes .... first thing to do is recap ... even when caps read good now they will fail later
@randylemn
@randylemn 20 күн бұрын
I have had that happen before with a used unit I purchased. It turned out to be one of the chips on the bottom that you are cooling with the external fans. In my case one channel worked and one did not, allowing me to swap from channel A to B.
@amirb715
@amirb715 20 күн бұрын
those CCD chips at the bottom are the common failure of 2430 and of course they are custom made hybrids.
@amirb715
@amirb715 20 күн бұрын
follow the SM and if everything else is ruled out it's gonna be the CCD hybrids which is most likely the case and that will be the end of the road. I had to literally throw out 2 of these because all 4 CCD hybrids on two units were defective. Look for some old videos by Simon Spiers from 4-5 years ago.
@ovalwingnut
@ovalwingnut 20 күн бұрын
Everytime I see one of your commercial spots I have a urge to "buy their product"... Just saying I also love [any] scope video. So it's a win win. And I concur. WOW is the correct reaction. Techtronics: The SpaceX of their day Failure: I've always been taught: "Don't Fear the Refa" ⚰ I may have to revise that now Thank you for the video. Cheers from So.Ca.USA 3rd House On the Left. (call before you stop by:)
@geirendre
@geirendre 20 күн бұрын
Theres a 3.7volt battery in that scope that stores the calibration. You might consider replacing it before it looses it's stored data.
@geirendre
@geirendre 20 күн бұрын
I was going to buy one of these 2430 scopes, and the seller wanted to test that it worked, and when he did one of the Rifas exploded. He was shocked, and said he couldnt sell it as it was broken. He just had to throw it away. End of story, I got it for free. Changed the 2 Rifas, and everything was ok.
@andymouse
@andymouse 20 күн бұрын
Textbook photo of some of the best that the market had to offer back in the day, these Magic Smoke Dispensers came in all sorts test equipment and became legends in their own lunchtimes. Their unrivaled ability to remove moisture from the air and increase their own volume to accommodate that moisture will not be equaled. All in a day's work for the 'Rifa' ! these and other features are the reason why they will forever be cemented in history as the true masters of 'Magic Smoke Dispensary' ....cheers.
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 20 күн бұрын
Turning your electronics into impromptu stink bombs, because who doesn't love the aroma of charred plastic and a hint of burnt toast wafting through their workshop? Yes, RIFA capacitors: The only component that can make your electronics double as a high-tech air freshener - if the scent you’re going for is Eau de Electrical Fire!
@andymouse
@andymouse 20 күн бұрын
@@IanScottJohnston :)
@chongli297
@chongli297 20 күн бұрын
I wonder if those resistors in series with the RIFAs were chosen for their tendency to fail open like that. Keep the RIFAs from starting on fire when they fail short? Maybe a good idea to use fusible resistors instead?
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 20 күн бұрын
Improving EMC performance, damping high-frequency oscillations or/and reducing surge current?......I'm not sure.
@daffyduxxx
@daffyduxxx 20 күн бұрын
"Something the Borg built " 😅😅 that made me actually laugh out loud.
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 20 күн бұрын
Well.....you never know. Just sayin'....:)
@stuartwright-fw1nv
@stuartwright-fw1nv 20 күн бұрын
does it have pesky dallas chips for storing the cal?
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 20 күн бұрын
Cal at the moment is intact......but if I get it up and running that's something to look at I guess.
@stuartwright-fw1nv
@stuartwright-fw1nv 20 күн бұрын
@@IanScottJohnston front end hybrids maybe, relays ?
@TheDefpom
@TheDefpom 20 күн бұрын
You have to be careful running without a case the hybrids can overheat as they rely on the airflow across them.
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 20 күн бұрын
There's a couple of fans underneath the scope......you see them later in the video.
@TheDefpom
@TheDefpom 20 күн бұрын
I had to replace a bunch of caps in the power supply in the 2432A, ripple was blowing tantalum’s on the digital PCBs !
@eded8045
@eded8045 20 күн бұрын
when you tinker like you know what your doing you can impress a women far easier flipping that pcb board than flipping the bonnet of you car🤣🤣
@TheDefpom
@TheDefpom 20 күн бұрын
Bang and smoke… smells like a Rifa ! I’ve got a shirt design for that ! Power supply is a pain to get to but doable, had to do that to my 2432A
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 20 күн бұрын
My other Tek 2430A is working fine, but I really need to get inside it and replace the RIFA's there also. A job for next week.
@ryanbates1158
@ryanbates1158 20 күн бұрын
you just saved me $346. have the exact same fault (the output was shorted on a faulty board). grounding the testpad shows the same promising conclusion,. ordered the op amp ($10.99 on digikey). thank you for this video!!!!!!
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 20 күн бұрын
Happy to help.....and well done!
@ryanbates1158
@ryanbates1158 11 күн бұрын
Update: Got the parts. did the repair (that thermal plane was tough) and unit is fixed!!!!! thanks again. these spare op-amps are now taped to the case for prosperity. digikey 296-THS3095DDARCT-ND
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 11 күн бұрын
@@ryanbates1158 Excellent!
@gjvdspam
@gjvdspam 20 күн бұрын
Tektronix, Rifa caps, awesome Ian! I enjoyed it. The scope is sooo packed! Nice one.
@bfx8185
@bfx8185 20 күн бұрын
First of all I suggest to re-seat the components in the path (opamp in socket if they are) and double -check any mechanical contacts. Second most probably bad component is any of the tantalum caps. And third rest of the caps. Looks like many errors are related to gain ... then focus on the input amplifiers :) And thanks for video :)
@FlyingShotsman
@FlyingShotsman 20 күн бұрын
About those "paint splatters" on the front panel and CRT... If the scope was stored in a garage or attic, that might be spider poop and not paint!
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 20 күн бұрын
Yeucchhh!
@alpcns
@alpcns 20 күн бұрын
What a complex piece of equipment! And it looks like it's going to put up a fight, Ian. But very much worth it, a very good scope I think. Other than causing more shorts I can't help much, but this was already enjoyable. Looking forward to the next episode. Thanks!
@kuro68000
@kuro68000 20 күн бұрын
It's amusing how hobbyists never bother with grounding straps and lab coats. We had one of these in an old job and you weren't even allowed in the same room as it without a ground strap test. Had to take my non-ESD hat off too.
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 20 күн бұрын
You are so right!.......And in my case I have an ESD strap anchored to the underside of the front edge of my workbench, it's turned inside out and I tuck it on the inside of the belt of my trousers. I 'invented' this when I was in production of PDVS2mini's. It works well, and if I walk away and forget it's there (I do it all the time!) it just pings out. Highly recommended. I don't own a lab coat though...:-) www.ianjohnston.com/images/stories/IanJ/ESDstrap.JPEG
@erikdenhouter
@erikdenhouter 20 күн бұрын
As long as you are in contact with the ground of the device before you touch anything else there should be no problem. Luckily almost all is surrounded with ground points.
@Runco990
@Runco990 20 күн бұрын
The screws are because the rear feet are missing, which take up the extra space.
@darrenmurphy6251
@darrenmurphy6251 14 күн бұрын
yes true , might have been rack mounted at some time or just got broke and then removed
@davidv1289
@davidv1289 20 күн бұрын
I could almost smell the Rifas from here - terrible smell! I was going to suggest changing the NVRAM (Dallas) chip first but I noticed the NVRAM checksum test is passing, so not that simple unfortunately. That odd waveform looks like one of the diagnostic test waveforms indicating a possible switching problem in the front-end? Regards, David
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 20 күн бұрын
Interesting.....Thanks!
@mr1enrollment
@mr1enrollment 20 күн бұрын
I suspect that the front end amplifier modules may be toast, if memory serves me that is common with some of the Tek scopes, at least consistent with the errors. But I am not the expert.
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston 20 күн бұрын
Was afraid of that......
@kevkabluebird1032
@kevkabluebird1032 20 күн бұрын
I guess a RIFA popped in my equipment too. Don't know for sure, as it is "enclosed" in a module (IEC socket / Schaffner) but it was not only smoke, also some orange goo. This enclosure was kinda "hot" to the touch. Funny enough the instrument did its job even smoking like crazy till i turned it off. :D But the smell ... oh my the smell.
@Petertronic
@Petertronic 18 күн бұрын
I had a Schaffner filter blow too (BIG bang), in a Tektronix video pattern generator. I replace them on sight now.
@kevkabluebird1032
@kevkabluebird1032 18 күн бұрын
@@Petertronic With a (new) Schaffner? Just from a recent production? Or something else/DIY? I ordered a new Schaffner with just a newer manufacturing date.
@Petertronic
@Petertronic 18 күн бұрын
@@kevkabluebird1032 IEC socket/filters are hard to find (I don't trust the ones on ebay which look like old stock) so I fit a normal IEC socket with a suitable filter capacitor across L & N. Not as good of course, but better than nothing.