I think most of the bad publicity though was because some were claiming TE did a copyright strike against a review video they didn’t like, and were able to remove it because the review contained a song with sound samples from the instrument. Which is just false in every level, not what happened at all.

The original video from TE is playing upper left. The original video Florian posted (an edit of it) is playing upper right. They are both the same length, both sync'd together. This is the point of my video. As to audio, I didn't want this to automatically get taken down. Audio it identical in both videos, Florian did not change the audio. So if you watch the video on TE's own channel, that is the audio :)

@@darwiniandude I was aware of that, but thanks for your reply. 🙂

yes he removed it or put it on pvt.

He has since done a reply video, saying he's done wth synth videos, "I QUIT!" for now at least. Apparently had a lot of toxic harassment and death threats even, people found his unlisted mobile number and were hassling him. NOT COOL synth community, not cool. :(

@@darwiniandude none of what happened is cool, and Scott is an example of what happens when other people spread misinformation with the intent and purpose to harm individuals or company. I witnessed it 1st hand where the individual who started the rumor, was hell bent on making sure TE was taken down by public opinion. He had 200+ likes but that thread has now been deleted. The issue here at hand is how this whole thing could have been avoided had people just behaved in a civil manner, but now we have seen the true cost of it.

Not a big TE fan myself but do at least know that the product in question costs less than $300 and their pocket operators about a third of that. So no, it doesn't cost 'a lot.' Bit old fashioned but maybe take some time to do your own research?

@@sonickitchen Lol k. I owned op1, tx-6, and the opx y....all I can say is I was not impressed for what the cost is. 300+ is a ton of money for some people. I found their products just trash, and I'm not alone but the synth fan boys of TE are rawr rawr rawr and I don't care.

@@thenext9537 you found their products trash but bought 3 of them?

@@sonickitchen pocket operators production cost is probably $2 and that shitty sampler could cost $100 to the public, easily

@@DankePlace Yes, yes I did. You think, it's this, no it's that, ok wait what. Yes, stupid, I know. I shall say to others, don't.

He clarified what happened with a comment on Scott's video. I still don't think TE should've had the video taken down, but understand why they did. Swedish copyright law is different too. So it's nuanced.

@@darwiniandude How do you know it was actually TE that took it down?

@@sonickitchen We don't know specifics. All we have to go on is that screenshot shown in the video, which shows "Content was removed by Teenage Engineering"

@@darwiniandude As is their right to do so IF they felt their content was being ripped off. This can of course be appealed by the persson 'borrowing' said content or worked out between both parties behind the scenes. Some might say that creating an attention seeking Cr4pstorm and especially without knowing specifics, is is not helping matters at best, bordering on negligent at worst.

@@sonickitchen It can't be appealed, this is what ToS is from TE. *You are not allowed to use our images, text, videos, or other materials for commercial purposes without obtaining written authorization from teenage engineering* Both Austria and Sweden do not support the fair use doctrine. There is a lot of misinformation going on and unfortunately for Florian, he got a smack on the bottom and had to go to CR school.

Agreed - maybe if the audio track wasn't completely identical it may have slipped under the radar.

It's not a gag strike, you cannot use TE's original material without written consent has posted on their website. *You are not allowed to use our images, text, videos, or other materials for commercial purposes without obtaining written authorization from teenage engineering* TE are well within their means to protect their brand, which means their content too.

Which is why people say its jerk move. As in, they have legal rights to do what they did, but their behaviour is big "screw you" spit into face of community. Ideally, they should have contacted Florian and getting him to remove his Month Python mashup behind the scenes. Instead of sending strike like they did.

@@DankePlace Some manufacturers think they can make their own laws and everyone has to abide to them.

@@kurisuchiinathecrocodile333 It is not at all certain that the claim TE made is legally justified. Chances are that Florian‘s video is subject to the European parody exemption and fair use in the US.

Spot on! I don’t own the medieval EP-1320, or the original - I do have little PO-33 I got for the kids; battery, mic, speaker, sampling and filter and sequencing in your pocket. It’s pretty cool. I’d like something larger and more robust perhaps, better speaker - but I’d absolutely want the Medieval sounds. Do you like them? I have always liked Roland’s JV/XV series romplers and had JV and later SRX cards in them, Ochestral, World and so on. I now have those same ‘cards’ virtually installed in the Jupiter Xm which is very portable. But some of the Medieval sounds in the demos are quite unique and enticing, I just wish you could get them in the normal one. I much prefer the look of the standard non-medieval version.

@@darwiniandude I have every major collection of VSTs for medieval sounds ever produced and the Medieval stacks up with them and holds its own. Certain sounds like the hurdy gurdy drones and the jaw harp are among the cleanest you'll find out there, but in the end they are just samples and not individually fleshed out instruments like the VST's so while they are perfectly fine for creating grooves, I find them too limiting for deep composition. So I use the Medieval as a sketch pad for grooves before moving them over to the DAW for turning them into songs. And from everything I've seen from TE's stuff, that's pretty par for the course. They're good for getting something started quick but their limitations become very apparent shortly thereafter and you're left wondering where are the rest of the features you paid for. I will say that I like the aesthetic of the Medieval more so than their other stuff, which has that typical Swedish lifelessness to it. TE is the IKEA of music gear, so the Medieval's aesthetic is a nice departure from that. But I'm also a history nerd who's into all that medieval shit so having the Latin names for all the buttons is cute to me, even if it's a pain to work with. It has its own charm, which will only be endearing to some, but that's also true of its sounds too. The Medieval was made for dungeon synth nerds. It's a niche instrument for a niche genre within a niche genre. 😂

Florian replaced about half of the shots in the TE-commercial by scenes from Monty Python, thus parodying TE‘s rompler. He did not repost the TE-video unaltered.

@@generalgrafx Correct. Although the audio track was unaltered. And mostly I think he shortened TE's shots to fit the Monty Python bits in, rather than replacing them. But anyway that's being pedantic. I do think TE should've left it alone.

Their samples and presets are licensed and royalty free to use in your own productions, obviously, just as with synths from Roland, Yamaha, Elektron and so on. Scott’s Synths is sharing a lot of misinformation. Remember - at the start of the video he says they took down a Bad Gear review episode - no they didn’t, and he never saw it, and despite pinning Florian’s correction he’s issued no edit or correction comment either. His views are off the charts for this video vs his other synth videos - best performing one previously was 109K after 4 years I think. Anyway, here’s TE’s page about sample usage: support.teenage.engineering/hc/en-us/articles/360017576159-using-factory-samples-in-music-making-what-are-the-legal-copyright-licensing-terms

@@darwiniandude Scott has perpetuated a lot of misinformation by not editing his video, if anything, TE could sue him for the continual damage TE is taking as a company.

Yeah maybe it will make them reconsider this sort of thing in the future? Misguided or not there is a lot of ill-will floating around towards TE now, about more than just some of their prices. They were certainly within their rights to do this though.

@@darwiniandude there is 1 specific person that started all this, now they're lying low, under the radar, I have good mind to contact TE because of all the drama they have caused. They're the ground zero, and they should be held accountable.

@@DankePlace Happy New Year

Plenty you can criticise them (and other companies) for - just should be legitimate criticisms about real issues, I agree.

Scott got it wrong on so many levels because even though he pinned Florian's reply, not many are reading it and are fueling the negative narrative which is actually harming said company. I don't care for TE, but when I see a gang mentality of cancel culture which is convinced an injustice was done, I will speak out. 1 certain poster on Florian's channel started the hype train where he was convinced it was for using samples, not the original content TE made. He inflamed the situation and had 200+ likes, never once citing any facts. I called him out and he kept saying that I was pr for TE, trying to besmirch my character, all because he could not prove what he was saying was true. Florian only replied to him once saying he was shocked about the takedown, but never did Florian explain to him directly, so this train wreck can really be pointed towards him as the 1st point of misinformation. That thread has now been deleted, many people hopped on that train and stated they would boycott TE. All due to the fact the thread creator lied about why the CR strike exists. Cancel culture is real and it's sad that it exists today without people actually fact checking. I remember when Trump said "they're eating the cats and dogs". Welcome to 2025 folks.

Possibly - I’m not an expert in the area. But consider an entire movie trailer, if someone simply changed some of the shots and cut bits of another video into it and kept the length and audio exactly the same? I’m not so sure they would could as fair use. I have a video “Apple Silicon M1 Intel Original Parody” or a similar title, from a few years back. To took Apple’s original launch promo for the switch from Power PC to Intel, and remade it for the switch _from_ Intel. AI tools didn’t exist to I used a phase inversion technique to remove the original voiceover from the audio, and recorded a new voice over in a similar style, but changed the words to mention Intel chips burning your leg and draining your battery and so on. I then keyframe composited the end of the video to show an Apple Silicon chip being put inside a modern MacBook, the original showed an Intel chip inside a 2006 MacBook. Anyway… different audio track, still using their original music though. But I’d not be surprised if I got a take down at some point. I do think TE should’ve left it up.

@ it Definitely gets complicated. There’s the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. My question is where did TE get their medieval samples from? Did they just look for copyright-free, public domain samples of medieval sounds? Did they plunder early music recordings. Is every sample cleared for use?

@@nickdryad While I'm not connected with TE, I follow much of the music tech industry and have for many years. Sold and taught gear for a 10 years. Anyway I'm confident TE has cleared everything and I can tell you why. On their site at now/2022 url they had a series of articles with photos about the recording process for the drums on the OP-1 Field. "having recording experience dating back to the 80s, tobias has seen the sampling process go from complex floppy disk storage to OP-1 field. recently, while he was living in uganda, we saw the opportunity for him to record percussion instruments with local artists. here we welcomed muwanguzi james and serugo joseph, who created the sounds that would become the lubowa drum kit." and so on. There's a lot there. And that''s one of the few products of theres I do own. Awhile back I contacted their support about another matter and I told them about the awesome sound packs made by an artist called Rephazer, here on KZbin. So much nuance and care in these samples. Anyway they reached out to him and I don't know what arrangement they had, but OP-XY shipped with a large number of factory sounds by Rephazer (different to the ones I know) and he had OP-XY videos showing music made on the XY ready to go on launch day, so they at least gave an early unit. I have no interest in the OP-XY myself, but they're not a sham company or a startup. They'd be nuts not to clear samples. They also sell medieval sounds on LP / Vinyl (because of course they do, urgh, not a fan of selling modern vinyl) to use with the unit or any other sampler. I doubt they'd be risking selling relatively cheap sample records if the samples weren't cleared, even more than I think they'd do that with a market-compeditive $299 sampler (the EP-1320 at the heart of this saga)

@@nickdryad Actually a more suscinct answer than what I just left would be to watch Nick Batt's (sonicstate) video on the EP-1320 sampler. He doesn't really like it but you can hear the qualty and uniqueness of the sounds. Also if you want my recent 1 minute video there is a side by side comparison of TE's Medieval launch video, and Florian's version of it - and if you go to TE's chanel you can watch the 1 minute video with audio and hear the sounds - if you look at the production quality on that video, that's a massive budget although it's unusual. They would've have just searched the 'net for some samples. No way.

no it's not deemed as *fair use* because both parties countries do NOT support fair use under CR. Just because the US has a fair use policy, does not mean every other country supports it too.

I’d grab an M3 (just the module part) if I found one for a good price. I don’t have much Korg gear. They were pretty awesome. No idea if they’ll reawaken KARMA or not :/

Feature was brand new update the day I uploaded this. I was pleased by the intelligibility of it.

@@darwiniandude I bet you were.

I vocoders in other gear, obviously software but also Microfreak, Alesis Micron, Jupiter Xm. But this works very well and it’s nice getting that in a free update. Still, they should offer useful free updates, given the price of these units.

@@darwiniandude Have you seen what they did to AdioPilz?

@@bobbyrutz9402 Have you watched my latest video? That's your answer :) I do not agree with them taking it down, but Florian can't be surprised given the content of his video. Unlike Scott's Synth Stuff, I'd actually seen 'Bad Gear - Medieval' since I'm a big fan of Bad Gear, I've watched all his videos right back to the €100 Behringer Challenge, How to fake an electric guitar and other early ones before the format was locked in.

Really? Haptic feedback issues might be a bug… unless you mean where you hold the triggers only slightly to avoid squeezing too hard. There should be accessibility options to cater for that sort of thing. Most people prefer completing this with the punching gloves, or so I’ve heard. But I found this method easier. I’ve since done it the normal way with the gloves, helping a daughter on her play through.

Plenty still use them. The main issue likely stems from the mainboard inside is one from a PC, AOpen brand I believe, and over time it will need the capacitors replacing and so on. Many synths need this too, Roland XP series for example. There is also some copy protection with the software, so you’d want to keep the original board working if possible. But yeah I’ve read of people repairing them successfully without issue. I’m yet to own one myself sadly, but used to sell them (when new) and have used them a bit.

@@darwiniandude thank you man, sad Korg isn’t into legacy updating….

I'll send your comment back to 2005, hope that helps👍

@@Dr.MSC.W.Krueger 😂

I owned the Mac App Store version, and yes it does not appear to be in the purchase history anymore. Likely because it's no longer secure for SSH use. I have a lot of older games and apps that still show up there. To my knowledge 2.4.1 is the last version. You can look up the Secret Geometry website on The Internet Archive, even 2019, and download the demo from there, an archive of the 2.4.1 demo hosted on Amazon S3. Because I made these videos years ago the developer in response once gave me a license key, which I was appreciative of. So my 2.4.1 'demo' does work as the full version on Apple Silicon under Sonoma at least.

Yes, the OP-1 Field comes with a USB-C to USB-C cable, (like what you’d use for an iPhone 15 or later) and it charges perfectly with the Apple 18W USB-C AC Adaptor.

Looks like field can function as a “MIDI host” and original probably can’t

Sorry, only just saw this comment :) Yeah you’re correct - the original can’t be a host. However there are midi converter boxes which will accept a USB midi device (think any midi controller, inc OP-1 original) and convert the signal to/from standard midi. I bought one and used it briefly with the original OP-1, I think the brand was Doremidi? But I didn’t use it a great deal because I later got the Field.

@@darwiniandude thanks for this info

I no longer have the car sadly, I liked it but I had internal engine failure around 100,000k’s. So that sort of put me off the brand :/ I’ve had no issues serious engine type issues with Mitsubishi vehicles ever over a number of them so I went back to those. SX4 was great though, hope yours is and continues to be reliable :) since I need more space now for family, current main vehicle is a Delica D5, a ‘soft roader’ Japanese import 4WD van.

Thanks mate. The j20b engine are known to be reliable and in general Suzuki too but hey there are obviously some that are bad. I do hope mine isn't. Congratulations on the Delica. Was your SX4 Manual or an Auto?

Mine was a J20A, 2007. Only car so far I’ve ever bought brand new. If yours is a J20B, it’ll be fine I’d say. Also, if it’s still going some 15 years later, it should be fine :) Mine was having low end knocking issues in 2010. On the old SX4club forums (dunno if it still exists) there was a big thread, “the engine failure thread” - mine still drove ok but I traded it in to a dealer, told them it had noises etc and I didn’t trust it. I didn’t want to sell it to a person. Anyway they rang me later to get the radio code (I’d changed it) and mentioned on the phone they’d had to replace the whole engine. Which is what I suspected. But as you say that sort of thing can happen with any car. But understandably I guess it put me off them :) I didn’t really do any mods, I mean I added a 12V outlet in the boot if that counts. :) It was manual. Great little car except for the whole engine thing. Due to my work commute, I kind of wanted an auto… but I test drive both and the auto just sucked all the fun out of it. I had to buy the manual. The manual was great.

@darwiniandude sorry mine is also a J20A lol so not sure how it goes 😅

@@darwiniandude 2008 J20A - Clocking 190,000 miles. No engine issues.

Yeah true - I don’t like all their products, for me I didn’t get on well with the OP-Z. But the Field is great. I also collect vintage computers, so I love that there is a little CBM PET on the screen :)

@@darwiniandudeWhat do you think of EP-133? 🤓

Ignoring the build quality issues many have reported for the moment, I love the aesthetic of it, but it's not for me. As I grew up with a piano in my house and have always have keyboards, I prefer have a keyboard style layout vs pads. Have never been interested in MPCs for example.@@P-S-T

No worries :) Hope it was useful.

@@darwiniandudeVery useful. Thanks! Keep posting. 😊

The B2600 has standard midi in, and USB midi, plus CV and Gate inputs. The OP-1 Field can actually host USB midi devices - the Arturia Microfreak works, my Presonus AudioBox Two (a simple 2in 2 out audio + midi interface) - but for some strange reason USB-B to USB-C on the OP-1 Field did not work. I own a Yamaha BT-MD01 USB midi interface. It’s a dongle that plugs into Midi ports and sends and receives Bluetooth MIDI, BLE. The OP-1 Field can talk to BLE midi devices. So that’s what I mostly use with the OP-1f, and was using here. Note that the dongle is powered from Midi OUT - B2600 has no out, only Thru. But it works powered from Midi Thru, I just had to set the OP-1f to not accept midi in notes, otherwise the notes sent to the B2600 would loop back to the OP-1f again. Hope that makes sense :)

Thanks :) Yeah I was pleased how it turned out… I will do a proper recreation and explanation for sure.

It’s really a super handy thing, since it can operate bi-directionally; one source to alternating destinations, or two sources alternating to one output.

Thanks!

Thanks :) Yeah I want to head back there one day and see if the spot is still like that… with the proper precautions taken :) Was pretty scary!

Oh no! Do you know what’s wrong? I’m sure it’s fixable. Inside they have what is largely a PC from that era. There is a Facebook group for them, probably other groups too. Good luck :)

Have you fixed it yet? It will be possible.

@@darwiniandude I ordered the disc drive for it but it's still sitting there in my ADHD shadow zone.

lol - that’s fantastic. Hadn’t noticed. I don’t own more Korg gear but I remember the X5D.

It's a pretty funny old kid's toy. I recently bought a much later Vtech one that is actually a proper computer with BASIC and a mouse, colour GUI, connects to a TV. Pretty advanced.

Yeah it was pretty freaky. I need to go back there.

Yeah exactly :) Found the VHS when clearing out a relatives house. Had to upload it.