Thats a lot of work done! Do you run any freight or parcels trains or is it all passenger? Its a belting layout - look forward to seeing your progress!
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3ttКүн бұрын
Thanks very much. My intention was always just to run passenger trains but the more I’ve watched grimy/dirty freight trains on other channels I’ve really started to like them! And now that I’ve built the goods yard and have some Black 5’s I do want to get some freight rolling stock! 👍
@Chris-BognorRegis9 күн бұрын
Really glad you have sorted out the helix, lovely to watch a steam train pulling a full rake up the incline with no problems whatsoever. Am I right to say that to get into the centre section of the layout you have to climb underneath? If so are you thinking about extending the fiddle yard as its a lot of space either wasted or just not being used for goods traffic etc.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt8 күн бұрын
Thank you. Yes, I do have to ‘duck under’ to get into the centre. Someone did suggest adding a couple of extra points in so that I could extend the area in the future without too much disruption! 👍
@Chris-BognorRegis8 күн бұрын
In that case Andy before you start the fiddle yard as brilliant as it is I would seriously consider extending the boards all the way round, then seeing what you have got come up with a plan to increase the side of your fiddle yards. For instance two tracks going all the way round with a return somewhere. You could then build two or three large fiddle yards off the circuit. Build one that suits your needs and when you have put in the next one etc. Not sure if I have made imyself clear, you will always want more storage room and better to get it right at the very begining Andy.
@alanisherwood956510 күн бұрын
Another great video Andy. We'll done. Only recently subscribed so not viewed all your videos yet. Are your engine sheds scratch built or bought, as I'm about to start on my turntable project and need engine sheds. Cheers Alan
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt8 күн бұрын
Thank you very much. The 2 larger engine sheds are laser cut kits I found on eBay but can’t remember the seller name 👍
@alanisherwood95658 күн бұрын
OK Andy. Thanks for info I will have a luck. Alan
@alanlowe569910 күн бұрын
Hi Andy, Your efforts were definitely worthwhile, your layout is developing into a fantastic model railway
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt8 күн бұрын
Thanks very much.
@chugwaterjack445810 күн бұрын
Well done, and so much in so little time! Your layout is very impressive, with good use of space. I may have to add a loop to my helix as you did, but the time involved is daunting to me. I used code 100 and 83 set track for the helix, but all visible trackwork is Bullhead, both Peco and Legacy. Looks great, but it is picky! My fiddle yard uses the same diamond concept as in your version 4, even to the stub tracks for loco or wagon storage. Good choice. I have sold off my uninstalled Cobalt IP Digital motors and have gone to the MP-10's just because I can surface mount - and maintain - them. They fit well inside a reasonable trackside shack or bush clumps. Also, all the MP line shuts off completely at the end of two seconds, rather than having a little drain all the time. Some of my motors are up to 500mm away from the operated points, with the throw rod simply a long piece of piano wire inside a brass tube, all easily concealed. The MegaPoints controllers work well for the twenty-four in the lower level fiddle yard, but I built an illuminated track plan panel with simple DPDT switches and LED's for the visible mainline. I have just added the deluxe Hunt couplings to a long rake of vans. These are the ones with a swiveling head, so they do not tend to make a rigid four-wheel bogie out of two van ends. Now the Dapol wagons stay on the track.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt8 күн бұрын
Thank you. Sounds very impressive. I really like the idea of isolating/shutting down power when not needed. I have 2 rakes of illuminated Pullman coaches and I’ve often thought they must constantly draw power so this could be the answer. Thanks again, Andy 👍
@chugwaterjack44588 күн бұрын
@@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt Sorry, I believe I misstated/ (or understated). The power for only the point motor is shut off at the end of the cycle. But, I have also set up the fiddle yard so each line can be independently powered off from the control panel with a resulting cable down to the the fiddle yard. I think that could be done with relays wired through the point motors, but that is beyond my ability. I have also moved the trailing insulated joints out from the points to about 300 mm to stop any approaching loco from derailing or shorting on a point set against it. Over 80 years, I've learned a few things.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt16 сағат бұрын
Apologies, I’ve only just seen your reply. I understand what you mean now. Some useful pointers for me to think about. Thank you.
@barryturner291610 күн бұрын
Well done Andy with improvements to your helix. If you make too much storage space you're have to invest in more running stock (lol). Regards and best wishes Barry..
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt10 күн бұрын
Ha. Thanks Barry, like your thinking there!
@lonewolfash46510 күн бұрын
Hi I have a box full of gaugemaster seep pm 1 point motors(20 ) taken off my layout been replaced with surface mounted, only thing is they are cut for 9mm baseboard, you can get extension for the arm.these are FREE to a good home just pay for postage ,some have various lengths of wire soldered on,if any good let me know
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt8 күн бұрын
Hi. Thank you, that’s a really generous offer… but I’ve jumped the gun and just had a delivery of point motors for the fiddle yard. If only I’d hung on! Really thoughtful of you though. Cheers, Andy 👍
@Andrewstolarski11 күн бұрын
Looking really good i can see your making a lot of progress 😊😊😊😊
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt10 күн бұрын
Thank you ☺️
@WirenwoodModelRailway11 күн бұрын
I do love how much extra running time a helix seems to add - the sheer extra distance that trains can travel, plus that option for them to disappear from the layout for a while then reappear. I'm entirely sure I could never build a reliable one but I think yours is looking great. I'm a total advocate for as much storage track as possible too! Regards, Chris
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt10 күн бұрын
Thanks Chris. There’s quite a bit of space under that area so I may as well add as much storage as I can. All the best, Andy
@rodericfindlay414711 күн бұрын
Oh no, you haven't done much. Not much to show for it. Only put a whole new loop in the helix, which is a magnificent achievement and will make running of steam trains so much more reliable. Only put new couplings on a whole set of coaches and made the set look much better. Haven't done much-only a fantastic week's work which has improved the railway immensely. An excellent video altogether. Lovely to see long trains running. Lovely to hear a Lincolnshire accent
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt10 күн бұрын
Well, when you put it like that I suppose! Thanks very much.
@johnland731811 күн бұрын
Shaving a big 15mm chamfer off the corner of the awkward post will not affect it's strength. But will increase coach clearance passing the post.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt10 күн бұрын
Good idea 👍
@melissanewton746211 күн бұрын
I think your marvellous and wish I had that amount of space for my model railway.👍
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt10 күн бұрын
Thanks very much. I am quite lucky having the whole room for the layout 😊
@TezTurner11 күн бұрын
Hi as they say it’s all in the planning that can save you time and money then experimenting until you are happy with it. I have spent many an hour on mine and done loads of little projects that I know need doing but are not obvious to others but I know there done and that’s what matters. Keep up the god work I really enjoy the videos you’re doing as it’s hard work making the model as well as the videos (as I well know.)
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt8 күн бұрын
I know exactly what you mean. Thanks very much 😊
@garylong759911 күн бұрын
Think you doing yourself a disservice you have loads to show have you looked at the MTB MP1 point motors which I believe you can surface mount. I have had no issues myself with radius 2 good to see you experimented which seems worth while, if you have a class 50 I would try that on the loop as the bogies have slightly restricted movements there is one section of my layout where class 50s don’t go so just like the real thing with restrictions due to route availability. I think you will find many uses for the dead end roads. If you do build the fiddle yard suggest putting in points at either end so you can extend at a later date without ripping track up. We did this at the new Banbury depot and when HS2 came to add in some sidings they were able to just join onto the ready installed set of points (on the network points are known as switches). I have changed all my stock over to Hornby magnetic couplings which look like vacuum pipe, these replace tension lock couplings in NEM pockets although with some close coupling coaches they need a bit of a tweak to extend slightly. The Hornby magnetic couplings are more moulded whereas the hunt couplings are 3D printed and one packet I brought had a broken coupling although this may be a fluke. One thing to look out for with any magnetic couplings is that if the coupling is mounted to a bogie and not the body you will effectively make both bogies will effectively become fixed to each other and being solid can cause issues on some curves and points. Is the back-scene new looks very good
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt8 күн бұрын
Thanks very much. Great idea about the point work. Yes, the Hunt couplings are a little brittle - I did manage to snap one of mine trying to slide it on. I’m quite keen to try out the Hornby magnetic couplings on my rake with the NEM sockets. 👍
@johnstephens64911 күн бұрын
Seems like you have done a lot, just apart from the extra layer on the helix, not immediately visible! Big thing is you seem to have made a lot of decisions so can plan where you go next. Interesting with the couplings as that is a big project for me too. Not so worried about the gap, more to see if I can standardise as I have everything from early Triang, through Lima, Mainline, Airfix up to NEM stuff! Appreciate the tip about Dragon Junction. I take it you have checked that the Hunt Couplings allow running around rad 2 curves? Whilst a major improvement, I got caught by going too tight on my Brighton Belle and had to go a spacing up as she was derailing on the rad 2 curves I have hidden in tunnels!
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt8 күн бұрын
Thanks. Yes, that’s the first thing I tested - radius 2 curves and everything ran fine. It’s amazing just how different types of couplings there are! 👍
@aleopardstail11 күн бұрын
fiddle yard looks way better, and that helix is a work of art
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt10 күн бұрын
Thanks very much 😊
@lord-al-202411 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for the shout out and am so pleased you like the Hunts couplings . The main thing they work and looks far better and reliable. And so easy to get on and off the layout.. I do like how you have done the Helix and got the slope down to 1-1/2 % nice one . Plus the layout looks fabulous . Have fun . Regards Lord Al.
@lms_steve669311 күн бұрын
I like them too however are there any plans to design an auto decoupler for them?
@lord-al-202411 күн бұрын
@@lms_steve6693 Am not sure on that . But with West Hill Wagon Works you never know.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt10 күн бұрын
Totally agree Alan. Take care, Andy
@alanwagstaff1611 күн бұрын
It's all the little things which add up .
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt10 күн бұрын
Yes, very true 👍
@Rancidhamster11 күн бұрын
1.48% will allow really long trains like 7 coaches or very long goods trains well done on putting in the effort to get the gradient down, good job and well worth the fiddly work with no room😊. The final version of your storage yards look terrific. I used magnetic couplings on a rake of new coaches that kept on uncoupling themselves every time they got out of sight! I got the shortest ones first but had to change to intermediates to get round a single piece of r2 curve in one tunnel😊
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt8 күн бұрын
Thanks very much. They always tend to uncouple in the most inconvenient places!! So far so good with the Hunt couplings 👍
@rickypeacock65911 күн бұрын
👍 everything is looking good.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt8 күн бұрын
Thank you 👍
@michaelwhiles528211 күн бұрын
Stellar effort - now go drink one !
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt10 күн бұрын
Sounds like a great idea! 👍
@ianhughes-zf1ll11 күн бұрын
Great update mate I can spend all day in train room sometimes and looks like I’ve done nothing but all part of it great job with the helix.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt8 күн бұрын
You and me both! Cheers, Andy 👍
@CharlesPruden11 күн бұрын
Looking pretty good. You should put a basic under counter lamp over the fiddle yard for when you need to work under there.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt10 күн бұрын
Thanks. Yes, I’ve seen a couple of Helix where they’ve added some small LED strips 👍
@greatnorthernrailwaytother471111 күн бұрын
Helix improvement will be great long term. Your new parallelogram storage yard looks good too. Cheers Peter from downunder.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt8 күн бұрын
Thanks Peter. 👍
@adriank869811 күн бұрын
I believe you're selling yourself short by saying that you have little to show for your busy week. Modifying the helix and reducing the severity of the gradient is a major achievement that will yield long term benefits. It has also been interesting following the evolution of your thinking on the yard track plan. Hopefully the latest (version 4) is the optimum for your operational needs and maximum train lengths. It is far better to thoroughly exercise the mind and get it right before you start the actual build.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt8 күн бұрын
Thanks very much. I have been known to jump into things before really planning them out properly! 😊
@georgethomas781411 күн бұрын
Great effort... Best of luck with the plans. The replacement carriage sides will help and I think you only had 5 tracks. increasing the size of your loop will be the biggest bonus.... The Modelled area is large and almost finished now its time to sit back and enjoy.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt8 күн бұрын
Thanks so much. Yes, just a couple of smaller areas left to complete… 👍
@michaelball6813 күн бұрын
About 7 minutes in you were talking about the radius of the fiddle yard loop and said that all locos and rolling stock say “minimum radius 3” - they don’t! They all state minimum radius *2*. You will be fine with a r2 curve connecting the fiddle yard halves.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt13 күн бұрын
Thanks very much. I realise now. I think it the appearance of R2 curves on a scenic section but it won’t matter on a fiddle yard. 👍
@m698dr15 күн бұрын
Hello, Use 3rd radius curves for your yard if you can. Please use Streamline points not set track. Have you consider in using a camera in your yard. Regards, Michael
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt15 күн бұрын
Thanks Michael. Really helpful. I’ve used streamline Unifrog points on the plan. 👍
@andrewdowning97515 күн бұрын
Layout is looking awesome as ever ,just an idea how about purchasing a white board and then writing down things to do on the layout . Put it in priority order . Just a thought . Keep up the good work 👍
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt15 күн бұрын
That's a great idea! I did start off last year with a list of things to do but it got put to one side and eventually mislaid! At least a white board would be ‘in your face’ 👍
@WILLMERE.16 күн бұрын
Have you thought about using set track points, they have a radius of 438mm (3rd radius) and an angle of 12.5 degrees, and they are shorter,and cheaper, than medium radius points. That means you have more money to buy yourself a Multi-tool, Shhh! Mum’s the word. Good luck. Bill.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt15 күн бұрын
I like your thinking!! 👍
@Simonize4116 күн бұрын
Hi there. Regarding figures and painting them, Charle at Chadwick Parkway released a video fairly recently that interviewed a chap who paints and supplies model figures. Sorry I can’t remember the chaps name or company, but if they’re within your budget, they might fit the bill and save you the trouble. All the best. Simon
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt15 күн бұрын
Thanks Simon. I’ll have a look into that one 👍
@richardhiggins647116 күн бұрын
Hi there, at about 8 minutes in you describe using Peco curved points at the right hand end of your fiddle yard. In my experience, these are okay if they are trailing points i.e. the trains run through them from left to right, but not in the other direction. You will get derailments with some steam locos, particularly modern ones with finer flanges. They also involve second radius curves, so if possible, I would avoid them and compromise by having shorter loops and peco streamline curves.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt15 күн бұрын
Hi. Thank you for that. It’s always good to hear other’s experiences 👍
@paulthompson688117 күн бұрын
Great vid by the way, keep up the great work.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt16 күн бұрын
Thanks very much 😊
@paulthompson688117 күн бұрын
I put some dropper wires the wrong way round so I put red heat shrink on the black wire and black heat shrink on the red, my OCD was happy with that 😂.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt16 күн бұрын
You know, that’s not such a crazy idea!! 😀
@stephenpike314717 күн бұрын
Do like your layout and glad to see helix worked well on that climb. Can I suggest - Plan rhs outer loop - how about breaking out earlier with curved LH point (before LH 90 degree curve and before the blue horizontal upper deck boundary line), and fan to left much earlier with LH points? I think should give loads more storage. R2 will be fine - my test track has both R1 and R2 - most locos (new and old) get round that alright, it’s only the R1 that shows up the limits - usually CO - CO diesels when trailing and leading wheels catch the body shell. Rolling stock no problems. Just R2 doesn’t look as good as R3, but hey it’s hidden storage so who cares? Hope helps, all the best Stephen.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt16 күн бұрын
Thanks Stephen, that really does help! I will have a play around on AnyRail. Reassuring to know about R2 curves 👍
@stephenpike314715 күн бұрын
@@Grandadstrainroom-pn3ttNo problem - a lot of dead space to fill….Looking at again, top LH corner outer loop - you could insert a RH point leading off from that short inner loop to create a quite long siding for locos, emu/ dmus. You could do same on bottom short loop on its LHS inserting a LH point creating another siding extending out to left again! It could even partly follow the curve round to maximise its length and get most out of this area. Using the CAD you can experiment to see what works best for you. All the best Stephen
@1tonyboat17 күн бұрын
One tip Andy , i did something simular a couple of years ago using Peco curved points ,,,,,ripped them up as they were nothing but trouble ..Layouts looking great ..
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt16 күн бұрын
Thank you. That’s interesting to know. The ones on the plan are the newer streamline Unifrog points - whether they will fair any better…
@garyhodge786117 күн бұрын
If you lay the exit fiddle yard as a parallelogram, i.e. left hand points at both ends, you will have 6 equal length sidings. This will require removing most of the straight section after the 4th radius 90 degree curve. You could save initial outlay by only laying the entry yard with temporary straight through track and then add that yard at a later date. Agree with others re setrack curved points - best avoided.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt16 күн бұрын
Yes, I see what you mean! That would be much better for storage. The curved points I’ve included are the new streamline Unifrog points so not sure if they are any better! Back to AnyRail I go. 👍
@railwaymechanicalengineer458717 күн бұрын
ACCCESSORY PACKS - AND VANISHING PARTS ! Note: If you attach the Hornby detailing parts to their steam locos, the locos will no longer fit back in their package ! I had to alter the packages to suit. Further many of the detail parts are made of a high nylon content plastic, to make them more flexible. Which means there are few glues that will keep these parts in place. Again I ended up replacing many of these accessories, by making them from Brass wire (0.5mm or 1mm brass wire available from GOOD Model Railways shops !) Such as the Cylinder drain cock pipes, and even Bulleid Pacific steps. In Brass of course I was able to "Superglue" them in place, so they don't go "Walkabout" like Crocodile Dundee, somewhere in the Northern Territory !
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt16 күн бұрын
Thanks. I never thought of that with the packaging!!
@railwaymechanicalengineer458716 күн бұрын
@@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt Indeed, I don't think anyone would expect Hornby to make such a basic oversight ! But I've never liked the packaging used by most British manufacturers, its far to complex, and takes literally hours to unpack a large fleet of stock for a large exhibition layout. I ended up building wooden trays with soft foam interiors all stacked in a large wooden cabinet, draw fashion. For 130 locos, 400 coaches & 250 wagons. Happy Modelling 😀
@xanx123417 күн бұрын
The image of the Duchess climbing the helix pulling 6 coaches was nice to see, is that at the 1.92% gradient? If it is than that is very impressive and I eat my words from your last video😉 With regard to the older locos, you could consider using a banking loco to assist with the climb, alternatively consider adding weight inside the loco above the driving wheels. Keep up the good work Ian
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt16 күн бұрын
Thanks. Yes it was on the 1.92% gradient. In all fairness, it was one of my newest locos - the older ones make it but not as easy. Banking could work! 👍
@rommel15217 күн бұрын
Just started looking at the project and love everything about it. A lot of activity and interest is on display here. May I ask what the dimensions of the layout are? Judging from the camera panning movement around the layout does not appear very large yet I get the impression that it’s larger than actual.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt16 күн бұрын
Thanks very much. The layout is approximately 15’ x 11’ excluding the goods yard add on. 👍
@rommel15215 күн бұрын
I like how you make use of tunnels so that long trains are not just wrapping around the layout but appear to have some other destination. It really makes the layout appear larger. I have a 16' x 16' spare room that I really should take cues from what you did.
@johnstephens64917 күн бұрын
Sounds like you need to make a list matey! Cost vs time as well so if for instance you need to build up some cash for one major project, you can get some other cheaper projects off the list! I have used radius 2 curves on my layout but only hidden in tunnels on my layout and not had any major running problems, but trains don’t look great running on them! On my version 2 layout it will be radius 3 minimum and would advise the same for you. I have also used a number of Peco small radius points and whilst ok, aren’t comfortable for some locos and a bit “trainset” if you get what I mean? Not the smoothest for running but adequate however would this matter in a fiddle yard? Snag is they are great space savers and sooo tempting to use! I have used their Setrack small radius points however I think Peco now sell a Streamline version which may be better points anyway? Extra sidings are worth having to store spare locos, DMUs etc so you could easily run these off the shortest siding to the back set of loops which at something like 1.5m, may be a better use for it anyway rather than short storage? My other great thought for today is the width of the curves which at radius 3 is going to be at least 4 foot 6 in old money. The yard itself naturally narrows and you can access one side from the outside of the layout (if I have understood your room properly) but the other end might be a bit of reach and crouch for track cleaning, rescuing derailed stock etc? Not something you avoid but have you considered this?
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt15 күн бұрын
Thanks very much. I think a list will help just so I can feel that I’ve accomplished some bits, as I think the fiddle yard may be a while off. Appreciate the feedback on R2 curves - it’s always good to hear other’s experiences. I was looking at the newer Peco Streamline unifrog curved points - 4 of these together are the same as R4 set track curves. I agree, I do need to make sure there is adequate access for cleaning and maintenance 👍
@rodericfindlay414718 күн бұрын
Very good progress. Glad the helix is working out well. It's lovely to see lots of decent-length trains running. A very enjoyable video.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt16 күн бұрын
Thank you so much.
@nigelnicholson743918 күн бұрын
Thank you for another enjoyable video.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt16 күн бұрын
Thanks very much 👍
@harleymemphis919018 күн бұрын
yes even yourflex t rack is expensive 250 GBP 437.44 CAD * Happy Rails *
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt15 күн бұрын
Yes, that’s very true!
@kenstevens506518 күн бұрын
Good work, you should be very proud of the job so far. Work in progress but with enough done to allow meaningful running sessions.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt16 күн бұрын
Thanks very much 😊
@anfieldroadlayoutintheloft520418 күн бұрын
thanks for share on the channel keep up the great vlogs
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt16 күн бұрын
Cheers Lee 👍
@paulturnbull586118 күн бұрын
Looking really smart... enjoyed the running shots with multiple lines in operation.... gives a real sense of balance.
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt15 күн бұрын
Thank you very much!
@LawrenceDaley-s2u18 күн бұрын
The extension of the hill side looks good, but I think you missed a trick by filling in the dip. A slight pooling of water and then a small trickling stream in between the two areas would have broken them up, so the visual differences wouldn't be noticed. That said, everything looks to be coming on a treat!
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt15 күн бұрын
Yes, I see what you mean. Thanks for the feedback 👍
@steadycamman118 күн бұрын
Looks AMAZING, very high end, you can see how much work has gone into i, cheers, Pete.👍
@Grandadstrainroom-pn3tt15 күн бұрын
Thank you Pete 👍
@anthonylulham347318 күн бұрын
Re the Black wires in a red socket, you can paint them or wrap the ends in red electrical tape.