It’s scary to think how cheap some of these overpriced watches can be… If China can make a full wrist watch and sell it for $75… How much are we overpaying? Doesn’t mean I’m going to stop buying anytime soon… But, I like to think I’m not an ostrich with my head in the sand.

​@@PocketWatchTimeBrotha I absolutely 💯 agree with you

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You’re right. I made a small comment that the Panerai was not like the rest of the watches in the video… But, the theme of the video was Pagani makes clones. The Panerai is definitely an exception to that rule. Maybe that’s why I liked the Panerai the best?

I get what you’re saying… but what about costume jewelry? Is it wrong to look nice and dress up without having to spend thousands of dollars to do it?

Definitely gives you the ability to buy multiple watches to suit your fashion.

I already have one. I pretty sure you are right haha

Definitely true. You can fill a watch box for under $500.

Which one do you have?

@@PocketWatchTime the pagani design one haha

To be fair… The quality between a true luxury item and a clone is not the same. Not even close. The heft and feel of a Panerai is far more substantial than this watch. So, if you’re expecting Panerai quality… I think you’d be disappointed. But, if you’re familiar with Seiko quality… I think it’s pretty similar. Definitely great quality for the ~$100 price tag.

It’s not for me either… But, I think it’s an alternative for someone who will never spend more than $100 for a watch.

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@@MrZanzibar123 I personally don’t buy or collect clone watches (or homage watches really). However, I know I’m fortunate enough that I can afford a nice collection and many people can’t. I think clones are the perfect fit for this group who wants a nice looking watch but doesn’t want to (OR CANNOT) afford a watch over $100.

Thank you. 🙌🏼

True. Just don’t wear it in too dangerous of an area… I wouldn’t want to get in trouble or danger. These clones look close enough to the original it could definitely get you unwanted attention.

I agree with this too. But, I do make an exception for the super value purchase. What about the individual who wants a stylish watch in the $50-$100 watch space. There is not much out there. This is where Pagani design has some merit for me. You’re not pretending it’s original… But you’ll never own a $10,000 watch… You’ll probably never even own a $500 watch. The world economy just doesn’t allow those kind of purchases for most people.

True. Best not buy aviator sunglasses unless they are Rayban. Or jeans unless they are Levi. Or a dive watch unless it’s a BlancPain. Or touch screen phones unless it an Apple. Or…..or…….or…….. no such thing as original designs in watches anymore. All variations of themes.

I can’t get the images of fiberglass panels on a Ford out of my mind. Comment of the day. 🏆

I completely get both sides of the argument… Are Pagani watches complete legal thievery… Absolutely. But I think it was the moonswatch that changed everything for me… That’s legal thievery at its finest and nobody seemed to care.

@@PocketWatchTime fair. Luxury watch makers are then also committing ‘legal thievery’ (if this is actually a thing!) by charging thousands for watches that many other ‘homage/clone’ brands prove don’t need to cost a tenth of that price. A submariner for £10k??? Give me a break!! A moon watch for £8k? Absolute nonsense!! A damn Panerai for £15k? Might as well burn £12k. These arguments are silly though. If something is legal is legal. End. It’s legal to copy certain designs - it’s legal to charge extortionate prices for no reason. It’s legal to buy whatever the hell you like.

@@PocketWatchTime it’s the same company…as you know. So is not illegal copying, lol. As far as I know omega didn’t want, but had no choice but to follow the company (swatch) directive!

Hopefully about the watches and not my review. 😁 Thanks for watching. 🙌🏼

@@PocketWatchTime yes the watches. Your reviews are always good.

Thank you. 🙏

Haha. 🤣 Definitely go for the LV.

Glad you enjoyed the video

I can’t argue with that. The fit and feel… And just to be honest the namebrand recognition of a true luxury watch makes it feel luxury. Another commentor mentioned making your Ford look like a Ferrari… I guess it’s the same with a “kit car”. You know the car underneath isn’t that good… But you put a pretty exterior package on it. Do you enjoy driving it?

@@PocketWatchTime Many luxury brands use an ETA movement. You aren't buying either the original or knock-off to get the best timekeeping, that would be a quartz. So, if you are buying the style, to show off to others, get a clone/homage; if you are buying it for the heritage and the joy it gives you, get an original (even a lesser brand). Now I'll put a twist on your Ferrari example: In vintage Ferraris, the drivetrain is largely the same but the details and bodies are different. There is a cottage industry of craftspeople converting lesser Ferraris into 'better' ones. A common example is starting with a Ferrari 250GTE (a 2+2, sort of a 4 seater in the way Porsche 911s are 4 seaters) and disposing of the body and reworking the rest into a 250GTO. The first is worth 1/3 to 1/2 a million dollars, the second as a conversion is worth the same but replicates a 40 million dollar car. The funny thing is you took a pretty (in person - not as great in pictures) original vintage Ferrari and destroyed it's heritage to create a 'replica' - its still a Ferrari and you can will impress more people (who don't know) with the 'replica' but you'll be invited to more events with the 'lesser' original with a real history. From the driver's seat, you're driving a vintage Ferrari with either. Personally, the history of the original speaks to me and the road car seats are much more comfortable. Also most new cars that are 1/10th the price will out-perform the vintage Ferraris but aren't as fun...

Great example. I don’t know the history of Ferrari and their models… definitely an interesting concept.

@@PocketWatchTime Old stuff is fun, whatever it is. Old, hand built cars are a different but equivalent rabbit hole to watches. Think of each vintage Ferrari as a piece unique; they were all made to order. For perspective, they now make about twice as many Ferrari's each year than they did under the entire 20+ year duration of Enzo Ferrari's ownership. They were all made by hand back then and many of the early ones are known by their serial number (not just their model). For example they made a total of 36 Ferrari 250GTO from 1962 to 1964, each was physically slightly different when new. The same goes for each of the other vintage Ferraris. Think of them as Patek minute repeaters - each has a different case and slightly different sound when chiming, but all beautiful in their own way.

That rabbit hole is dangerous… There’s a good chance some of the cases and bracelets made for these Pagani watches are the same manufacturers that actually make some of the Swiss brand bracelets, etc. A brand only has to have a very small percentage made in Switzerland to be called “Swiss Made”.

I’m a robot 🤖 … don’t you know? that’s awesome… I’ll have to look into that.

What! How’s that fair. 😁🤣 I’ll have to find one on eBay Canada

I was raised there and I remember the glass ones too, glad they're back

There must be some US law that forbids it. Not sure.

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Thank you.

I’m with you… I think the ivory/gold or the black/gold are the best two possibilities. I think you can order either with the beads of rice bracelet. I’d definitely get it on the bracelet… You can always add a strap later.

Absolutely. A lot of watch for very little money.

That’s true. Tissot makes lots of modern pocket watches.

@@boxscorewatcher413 Awesome. Great watch. Enjoy it.

@@nakapaa Awesome. Thank you.

A lot of very high-end brands have cut to fit straps. A Patek rubber strap will cost you $1000 or more. It does seem odd cutting something that expensive. I guess the analogy would be close to buying a car - Once you drive it off the lot… You own it. To be fair, authorized dealers will cut the strap for you. But, if you buy extra straps or if you just want to do it yourself I hope this video can be a resource.

Homage, clone, or replica… it’s up to the buyer what they find important.

I have the black and just recently purchased the white too. Thanks for the information. I love the watch… Too bad I need my reading glasses to tell the time. 😁 As for selling, I just bought the white one on eBay. I don’t think you’re going to find a better market to sell an oddball watch. Most people have never heard of this watch - So, the person who finds it and buys it will definitely be a good/passionate hands buyer.

I don’t hate the name either 😄… but, they already changed it. Now “WM Watch” - A very safe (and not to exciting) name. Definitely not a bad price for what you get.

@@ivaniliev93 Haha 🤣

Website now says WM stands for wrist movement.

A brand that listens to its customers. What an interesting idea. 🤣

I get what you’re saying. The change in weight for me is a small upgrade. There are some crazy thick 6 ounce silver cases… That’s way too big. Increased weight is just silly on that kind of case. What I’m referring to is a degree of quality. I handle a lot of gold cases that are very thin and cheap feeling. Thus, also a little fragile. Thicker and more heavy gold cases are just built better. The difference in weight is small enough that you barely notice the difference while carrying it. But, the quality difference will make the case last longer and possibly protect the watch more.

Hey there. 👋 I found the bezel a little hard to turn. I guess in practice you wouldn’t turn the bezel much unless you travel a lot. This is the first watch I’ve ever interacted with that had an internal bezel.

Congratulations. I’ll send it to you. 😁

@@PocketWatchTime I'll take it 👍

It turns out the company (within the last three weeks) decided to change the name to just WM. I guess the word “welly” has other meanings. As for the end… my little kiddo added to my blooper reel. 🤣

I haven’t checked. I’m always an Amazon fan unless eBay offers a crazy bargain.

Glad you’re enjoying your watch.

It’s been a little while… I don’t remember all the details about the seller. I didn’t notice any red flags at the time. He sold multiple watches before. To be fair… My guess is the seller was tricked as well. I think the alteration of the case and movement probably happened before the eBay seller got his hands on it. A crime passed down the line a couple times before it was noticed. To answer the second question… All you can do is be the most educated buyer you can be. At the time I was a lot more spontaneous about purchases. Now I do a little more homework on everything before I make a buy. I’ll take some blame. I saw a “platinum” case and jumped on it. I should’ve done more homework.

It’s a great little watch.

I wish I was more attractive to look at. 😢

I understand. A bit tough to do on a video like this when I don’t have hands-on with the 30 watches.

Thanks. I can use all the pronunciation help I can get. You better not watch any of my videos on French names. 😬

That’s the exact Amazon link I bought from. I had no issues and it’s of course covered by Amazon (love Amazon).

@@PocketWatchTime thanks for your reply

Of course 👍🏼

The weight is very light. You forget it’s on the wrist.

Leather strap for me.

Glad you like it. I agree - suits leather strap better… but I’m a sucker for metal bracelets. Maybe @excelsiorpark will send me a strap to shoot a comparison video.

I agree… It does look better on the leather. I just can’t do leather straps at work… So if I ever plan on wearing a watch, I have to get it on a bracelet or rubber. Thanks for the comment.

Haha. 🤣 I love it… “never hesitate to express your dislikes” sums me up in one sentence perfectly.

Bhi 😊 oo

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I was very happy about the 100m WR.