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@dennis.edich1998
@dennis.edich1998 Күн бұрын
9:29: and after they fullfilled that purpose (Order 66), they continued serving the Galactic Empire as the first generation of stormtroopers for years.
@ven0m_spider073
@ven0m_spider073 Күн бұрын
People definitely just want someone to blame for Anakins choices. No matter what, he himself chose the dark side in that moment and he has no one to blame but himself
@dennis.edich1998
@dennis.edich1998 2 күн бұрын
I think in Legends (where Star Wars: Clone Wars is included) the Jedi actually have themselves to blame for their own demise, and in Canon (where Star Wars: The Clone Wars is included) they actually don't deserve their fate and I would like to explain why I see it this way with a few in-universe reasons: The clones in both Canon and Legends are slaves to Palpatine, just in different ways. Both versions of the Grand Army of the Republic were forced into a galactic war they were never asked for. Clones from Canon are victims to mind-control aka the inhibitor-chips while clones from Legends are slaves to their indoctrination and genetic modification. However, Canon Clones and Legends Clones have different paths in their lives. In both continuities, they start out as heavily indoctrinated soldiers taking any order without question and the Jedi Order starts out feeling uncomfortable with the blind obedience in the clones. The thing is, they take different approaches to this issue: In Legends, most Jedi keep a professional relationship with the clones, which does nothing to counter the dislike the clones have to the Jedi for being too peaceful. In this case, it makes sense for the clones to unhesitatingly follow Order 66 because in a way there is no choice other than the state. They are conscious of what they're doing, but with the exception of more independent clones like Arc-troopers and Clone Commandos, what reason do regular clones have to betray the state they swore loyalty to for leaders they don't like too much? So in a way, they are treated much more like expandable war machines. In Canon, the Jedi instead try to influence the clones. They teach them to be more human and more independent thinkers. They have close friendships with them. They teach them that they are not expandable war machines. The Jedi and Clones become comrades. Now, would some Canon Clones still carry out Order 66 by their free will? Yes. Just look at Dogma and Crosshair before they realize their mistakes. However, wouldn't most Canon Clones hesitate to kill their Jedi leaders before following orders if there wasn't some type of mind-control involved, thus alerting the Jedi? I mean, the clones were even reluctant to execute Pong Krell, an actual traitor who hated clones. Dogma had to do it and felt like he needed to justify himself right afterwards. Canon and Legends are just too different despite their similarities. The clones from both continuities started out the same, but turn out to be different in the end. Due to all of this, they only become more humanized in Canon while in Legends they (naturally) remain much more droid like and much more unquestionably receptive to Palpatine's orders. It is very clear that most Legends Clones would stick with the Empire because of how I just described them and I don't think I need to tell much more about that but I can also see a good reason why a few Canon Clones would stick with the Galactic Empire as well after their chips deactivate themselves. They're designed to be soldiers, just soldiers. Even if they don't like the Empire, there’s no other organization for the clones to fight for. They wiped out the Jedi, the Separatists were their enemies and are now scattered, and there’s no Rebel Alliance (yet). There’s only the successor to the Republic, the Empire. Since the clones have no skills in the civilian sector and probably have a negative view on mercenaries, the Empire is all they have, even if they do not like it and even if it's trying to replace them. In a way, it's like falling to an addiction. In both continuities, the clones were replaced by human recruits, the only difference is, Legends Clones served the Empire for a few more years after Palpatine decleared himself Emperor and the clones served along with regular human recruits and Palpatine still saw the clone army as useful after the downfall of the Jedi Order due to their lack of independence and stronger obedience. Canon Clones were replaced not long (almost immediately) after Palpatine decleared himself Emperor. The Empire wanted to get rid of them as quickly as possible due to their greater independence and individuality.
@dennis.edich1998
@dennis.edich1998 2 күн бұрын
9:28: How the hell did the Legends clones know that it was their highest authority, Chancellor Palpatine or in this case, Darth Sidious, who gave them the order? I mean he wore a black hood and was hardly recognizable and why the hell did they address him as "My Lord"? If we go the new Canon route, it doesn't matter since it's just the inhibitor-chips kicking in but if we go the Legends route with the clones from "Star Wars: Clone Wars", specific clones like Cody or Gree didn't seem to bother that Palpatine/Sidious was dressed that way when they received the hologram with the words "Execute Order 66"
@fidgetyjester2399
@fidgetyjester2399 2 күн бұрын
Rey isn't canon but Luke school is. I'm just gonna pretend Luke rebuild his school in Boba Fett show and that succeeded til the end, him going against his suppsed to be good balance nature for being a jedi to kill one of his student only because he were giving Luke a bad vibe thus literally being the reason why Empire got the new Darth Vader in the first place. All that never happened, Luke died of old age by making his student happy. Only one show that came out in Rey era were the resistance and that's like people least favorite animated series anyway, while Anakin and Luke era got more than that. Lol 😂 (I wouldn't mind if thet decide to reboot 7, 8, and 9 because of that before releasing 10, but I doubt tgat will ever happen though)
@altEFG
@altEFG 4 күн бұрын
Dave Filoni is like a fanfiction writer to have given permission to actually retcon the original work to make his fanfiction canon
@parkaller7959
@parkaller7959 2 күн бұрын
Have you forgotten that George Lucas also worked on the Clone Wars. George Lucas approves of Dave Filoni’s retcon.
@altEFG
@altEFG 2 күн бұрын
@@parkaller7959 There is nuance. The original Clone Wars cartoon was made during active development and filming of the prequels. There was a huge Clone Wars media project with interconnected media, including books, comics, games, etc. Clone Wars cartoon was a part of that. I think Lucas is at his best creatively and as a producer when he's actively working on his films, after than he gets a laid back attitude and starts messing around with his finished works. Just look at the Special Editions. I think is what happened. After Episode III George switched to his "let's fuck around, throw ideas at the wall and see what sticks" and generally started giving much less of a shit. He became convinced that Filoni is the right man to continue the franchise, gave Filoni his blessing and freedom to play around with Star Wars setting, threw a few ideas at him and then his involvement was quickly diminishing. And even during that, he made a terrible decision to release pilot episodes as a movie, theatrically, which the crew was strongly against. Filoni in his turn abused that trust by essentially making The Clone Wars not about adding to George's story and expanding it, but by finding ways to retcon not only the EU (if he even acknowledged EU even a single time) , but even the movies to fit in his own characters and ideas. That it the problem to this day: he basically ignores anything that isn't TV series produced by him.
@stasiek6367
@stasiek6367 5 күн бұрын
Bro clone Wars and Windu just spat on Ashoca, if he would have listen the order could survive
@dennis.edich1998
@dennis.edich1998 6 күн бұрын
1:38: Well it's true that we see a lot of clones have their own personalities in 2008 TCW, but these are just a handful of millions of others throughout the whole Grand Army of the Republic. The whole point is that the clones we see that are more individual are under much more letient Jedi generals. Conparing Anakin's to other ones and the others are much more like the 2003 clones. Just look at clone trooper Dogma in Season 4 during the Umbara Arc, who was fiercely loyal to Pong Krell and ready to betray his brothers before Rex influenced him to make his own decisions.
@emilfrederiksen.1622
@emilfrederiksen.1622 8 күн бұрын
Windu was right about Anakin in the end but he could have handled it better instead billitling him every turn.
@melon4249
@melon4249 10 күн бұрын
the silver surfer music choice is amazing
@theobserver8162
@theobserver8162 10 күн бұрын
No crap, of course he hated anakin, it's not stoik or sturn he thinks he's almighty a quality the jedi are forbidden to have if I'm not mistaken
@Darth_Revan6
@Darth_Revan6 11 күн бұрын
One word. NO
@garfphone3669
@garfphone3669 15 күн бұрын
this is so so good
@captainfilip7188
@captainfilip7188 19 күн бұрын
Anakin is the Chosen One, he did bring balance but his actions as Vader also allowed for that balance to be undone. Luke helped Anakin and then helped Rey. Rey restored the balance after being trained by Anakin’s kids and empowered by the Jedi spirits, including Rey. In the end ultimate balance is still brought about THROUGH Anakin, his actions, his sacrifice, his example, his children, his legacy. “A chosen one shall come, born of NO father, and through HIM will ultimate balance in the force be restored”. It’s always been Anakin.
@corywilson532
@corywilson532 Ай бұрын
Dude is right. The Clones were made to be "Loyal Soldiers To The Republic." And I think, individuality or not, they could have made these friendly best friendy friends still work if they focused more on how the Jedi operate comPARED to their clones. Imagine a guy, who's brought up and raised to think that their government is the tits macgee, sees these Church Monks suddenly take charge and make their own plans separate from the President. You know there's a contingency in place if they get out of hand, and not all of em seem like bad dudes. But you have time after time, mission after mission, first hand experience of how unstable, unreliable, unorganized, and unloyal to the Government they are. And y'know, once this war is over, who's to say they all go back to their church? In fact, some of them are talking about the President like he's shady. Now they're sewing seeds of doubt and descent into the People of the Republic, not unlike the separatists. Saying President PALpatine ought to be removed if he doesn't step down willingly. And then President Best Buddy Pal says them Monks are too dangerous, and may even continue this war indefinitely. So now you know what you gotta do. It ain't something you want to do, but by golly it's your SWORN DUTY to uphold your loyalty. A loyalty these Monks never really had in the first place.
@corywilson532
@corywilson532 Ай бұрын
You could say that, in service to the clones' individuality, they're loyal to the Republic. And a clone going AWOL, and starting a family, could still be seen as loyal to the Republic by ensuring a future and working towards the Republic's interest. That, or the Kaminoans fuggin lied to secure a sale XD
@Finn_Fuenffarbflecktarn
@Finn_Fuenffarbflecktarn Ай бұрын
People forget that Jedi during this era are SUPPOSED to be level-headed and detached. It’s the whole point of their ideology to NOT be too emotional. I think a large part of the misunderstanding is also the fact that Mace is neither grandfatherly like Yoda, nor is he witty like Obi-Wan etc. He is a particularly stern and impolite individual, traits that to many people in this day and age and that many don’t really know how to handle anymore irl.
@MegaFeeso
@MegaFeeso Ай бұрын
This is so well made. You need more views
@Man_Aslume
@Man_Aslume Ай бұрын
Palpatine was losing because Mace's shiny head blinded him
@persuisixh4804
@persuisixh4804 Ай бұрын
3:45 when the jedi got involved they stopped the extermination of defective clones
@persuisixh4804
@persuisixh4804 Ай бұрын
also 3:54 we dont see more of them because they arent soldiers, they work other random jobs, and often dont have physical differences
@rmstitanic8176
@rmstitanic8176 Ай бұрын
Here’s my explanation: Anakin destroyed the Jedi Order in Order 66 and hunted down the rest of the Jedi. After that, it was Luke’s job to turn Anakin back to the light to fulfill the final part of the prophecy which is to destroy the Sith which would bring balance to the force as both Jedi and Sith are destroyed. After Luke turns Vader, Luke goes on to rebuild the Jedi Order however, he fails as Ben Solo destroys the order meaning he destroyed the Jedi, then Rey comes in and destroys the Sith by killing the clone of palpatine (yes, it’s a clone) and continues Luke’s legacy by rebuilding the Jedi Order meaning she destroyed the Sith and rebuilds the Jedi. So in a summary, Anakin destroys the Jedi, then Luke turns Anakin so he can destroy the Sith, after Anakin destroys the Sith, Luke tries to rebuild the Jedi Order, however, he fails because Ben Solo turns to the dark side and destroys the Jedi, then Rey destroys the Sith, kills Palpatine’s clone, and rebuilds the Jedi.
@BladeEdge86
@BladeEdge86 Ай бұрын
Mace Windu was right about a lot of things, not everything though as he still subject to the dogmatic views commonplace among many Jedi at the time. He was right that Anakin wasn't ready to be a master yet and that his arrogance, impatience and emotional issues were concerning. There are things he could have handled a bit better, but he wasn't entirely wrong.
@jairusjackson7799
@jairusjackson7799 Ай бұрын
Dave Filoni went out of his way to villainize this character, while at the same time adding no layers to him despite having SEVEN seasons of a whole TV show to do so!
@gardoc1669
@gardoc1669 Ай бұрын
I personally do not think that Mace was rude to Anakin because he was like a parent to him or because he was just a jerk. Instead, i think he was jealous. He was 100% sure he was the chosen one. He stood out from the rest of the jedi in literally every way: he had incredible power in the Force, only second to Yoda, he had the unique ability to see shatter points that almost nobody else had, he created his own unique fighting style and became the second after Yoda duellist in the order, he had the highest after Yoda position in the council, even his lightsaber had unique color and was made form luxurious material. He was outstanding in every imaginable way but when a random boy with simply too many midichlorians appeared to steal his destiny he saw him as a rival. That's why he was always against Anakin, because Anakin's achievements could overshadow his own. That's why he prohibited Anakin to assist in Palpatine's arrest and also why he wanted to kill Palpatine right then and there - because he still believed that HE was the chosen one and HE must do it. Mace: I don't think the boy can handle it. I don't trust him. Obi Wan: with all due respect, Master, is he not the chosen one? Is he not to destroy the Sith and bring balance to the force? Mace: so prophecy says (implying that he doesn't agree) Yoda: a prophecy that misread could have been Mace: nods in approval
@AundreyLane-ur5ei
@AundreyLane-ur5ei Ай бұрын
Mace Windu was a true jedi master second best to Yoda and can eszyle keep up with Darth Sidious who was a master sith lord Anakin was a huge disappointment and should never became a jedi
@ThegrandKrild
@ThegrandKrild Ай бұрын
Mace windu is the goat, is the only Jedi to use the darkside and still keep himself in the light while all the other Jedis are pure light
@jameschambers9969
@jameschambers9969 Ай бұрын
Mace windu treated anakin like a adult while the other jedi treated him like a child
@BuzzPrincess12
@BuzzPrincess12 Ай бұрын
You hate Mace Windu because he hated Anakin. I love Mace Windu because he was fed up with Anakin's shit. We are not the same
@Drums_of_Liberation
@Drums_of_Liberation Ай бұрын
No. Only Anakin was the Chosen One. Luke was the catalyst for Anakin to finally fulfill his destiny and Rey is just a dirty Palpatine stealing a name she has no right to take.
@TurKlack
@TurKlack 2 ай бұрын
Yes. And no I dont use Eu material as a source of information. The Movies made it quite clear what the clones are. That Brainchip is a retcon. TCW turned them from genetacilly produced lifeforms with limited free will, to a bunch of regular dudes that could just as well been picked of the streets and implanted with this goddess forsaken chip.
@Scrubermensch
@Scrubermensch 2 ай бұрын
Mace is the second worst Jedi, losing only to obi wan Kenobi
@gaming2000-xh7xu
@gaming2000-xh7xu 2 ай бұрын
I think you are misunderstanding the whole Palpatine situation. Windu was orginally going to the arrest him hence the" the senate will decide your fate" comment. Its only when. Its only once Anakin shows up and Palpatine decides to shoot Sith lightning at him (At Mace not Anakin) that Mace decide that Palpatine needs to not just be stopped but actually As for the rest. Yes Mace didnt outright HATE Anakin but he did distrust him at least to some extent. He admits so himself after telling Anakin to apy on Palpatine stating that "Its very dangerous putting them together. I dont think the boy can handle it. I dont trust him". Futhermorth when Anakin reveals Palpatines identy as the sith lord he tells Anakin that, given that Anakin is actually telling the truth "you will have earned my trust" Thats not to say Mace is the sole reason Anakin turned to the dark side. His fear of loss and Palpatines manipulation are still the main reason for that. Sure the the wayt he council and the jedi order handled things certanly didnt help but even then Obi Wan and Yoda was just as guilty as Mace was if not more (Telling a person that they should let go of someone because they dont want to loose said person is a terrible advise). But given his position in the jedi council and the order he still had at least some role to play when it came to the fall of Anakin Skywalker
@fabiofernandes9122
@fabiofernandes9122 2 ай бұрын
yes it did.
@notallthatbad
@notallthatbad 2 ай бұрын
Why your video doesn't have more views is a mystery. Excellent production, great storyboard, took a ton of time to assemble and edit (I know, I create videos myself). Commenting for the algorithm to hopefully get it more attention! Edit: I also subscribed. You are only a few subscribers away from being monetized, my man!
@nickmiller9910
@nickmiller9910 2 ай бұрын
No, it made them the characters we love
@knowledgehub9271
@knowledgehub9271 2 ай бұрын
They ruined the separtist tho
@spoon_airsoft
@spoon_airsoft 2 ай бұрын
3:09 Ki Adi Mundi was one of the few members to be allowed some ass… I see why now
@FriendlyDarkwraith
@FriendlyDarkwraith 2 ай бұрын
You just made a great case for "resurrecting" Dooku and putting his brain and eyeballs and whatnot inside Grievous' empty shell. Sorry, I don't make the rules. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
@MedStar2-nx5jc
@MedStar2-nx5jc 2 ай бұрын
why do all the best channels on the internet never post a lot. Space Wizard, Primink, etc. All these channels are dead, and theyre all literally the golden nuggets of YT
@dib_human6151
@dib_human6151 2 ай бұрын
Honestly, i think "the chosen one" bs is dumb af It simply makes Anakin seem more important, but creates problems for the stories on the future, since technically the force should be at balance after Anakin "completed the prophecy" It would be much better if Anakin simply was the strongest Jedi ever and that was the reason why Sidious wanted him
@aydenjenkins8760
@aydenjenkins8760 2 ай бұрын
It is tough, I really like both interpretations. I especially love what they did with the Clones in The Bad Batch. But overall, the cold, silent, and obedient clones of the 2003 Clone Wars fit much better with the Prequel trilogy. The Clone Wars 2008 took a lot of creative liberties, quite a bit do not really fit in line with the Prequels.
@dennis.edich1998
@dennis.edich1998 5 күн бұрын
Well. It's true that we see a lot of clones have their own personalities in 2008 TCW, but these are just a handful of millions of others throughout the whole Grand Army of the Republic. The whole point is that the clones we see that are more individual are under much more letient Jedi generals. Comparing Anakin's legion/clones to other ones and the others are much more like the 2003 clones. Just look at clone trooper Dogma in Season 4 during the Umbara Arc, who was fiercely loyal to Pong Krell and ready to betray his brothers before Rex influenced him to make his own decisions.
@aydenjenkins8760
@aydenjenkins8760 5 күн бұрын
@@dennis.edich1998 Dogma still had a face tattoo and unique armor design, that is pretty characteristic. Not to mention, Obi-Wan is more by the book compared to Anakin, and he had clones like Waxer and Boil in his Legion who ended up having more characteristics. There's also Cut Lawquane who ended up completely deserting and starting his own family. Yes, there are a lot of Clones in the grant army of the Republic, but it seems to be a common theme in the 2008 Clone Wars that the Clones have more characteristics than was originally shown before. Of course there was Delta Squad from Republic Commando, but that was explained by them being a specialty unit. That was not the norm for regs in the Clone Wars multimedia project.
@josephlegacy929
@josephlegacy929 2 ай бұрын
no
@thetin-candalorian3319
@thetin-candalorian3319 2 ай бұрын
No one should be the chosen one because it’s a stupid idea that ruins Anakin’s sacrifice in RotJ
@denifnaf5874
@denifnaf5874 2 ай бұрын
Samuel L jackson is a great actor Too bad the character he played was an asshole
@gwyn5144
@gwyn5144 2 ай бұрын
Sorry but mace strait up is written to be the main focal point for what is wrong with the jedi. Literally is the mouthpiece for what is wrong with the jedi People feel the way they do tword him because that's what his purpose was in the movies. To be someone rigid abrasive full of themselves. and to show the audience how backward the jedi are. There's a great reason people widely dislike him. However when you are the odd one out. You should ask yourself, are you the one projecting. Looking for reasons to justify your enjoyment of the charecter? Mabye you like to be the odd duck? Mabye you like the actor? Mabye it's somthing as simple as because he's black. Whatever reason that may be. it's fine. Everyone can have different likes and dislikes. But don't act like he's somthing different than what he is and essentially act like people who dislike him have no reason other than bias and nothing to stand on.
@gwyn5144
@gwyn5144 2 ай бұрын
Short answer yes. Number 4 and kid humor clones is a far cry from what they should be. They are clones. Meant to follow orders and have little personality. The ones with personality are supposed to be the main guys. And even then they aren't supposed to be children. They are supposed to be harsh, militaristic. Stoic. Ect
@aitipsea3909
@aitipsea3909 3 ай бұрын
As an avid Grievous fangirl I can tell you right away Good riddance to that generic sack of garbage from 03
@Pranav_37
@Pranav_37 3 ай бұрын
We will watch your career with great interest
@ScienceUnlimited240
@ScienceUnlimited240 3 ай бұрын
Bruh why is this only 915 views, you’re too underrated 💯
@AhsokaFanboy1138
@AhsokaFanboy1138 3 ай бұрын
So, clones are creative thinkers superior to droids, but they are also devoid of free will? 5:31 Don't believe everything in a sales pitch. 8:14 One of the reasons that show sucks. 9:57 Why would Palpatine leave anything to chance at the most important moment?