@@halashisujairit9143 just tap water and a splash of dishwasher detergent. The detergent removes the surface tension of the water so that any gold won’t float, but will sink to the bottom
@ItaliaMining3 ай бұрын
i do the same process , but be aware you recover only 60% of the gold
@johannesthe5th1543 ай бұрын
I know i dont catch all of it but I save all my material for later processing 😊
@ItaliaMining3 ай бұрын
@@johannesthe5th154 i was thinking to put the rest in boiling hcl then repet the panning , or process on a miller table.
@Fragzbs4 ай бұрын
What is the first weight of all chips with plastic ?
@johannesthe5th1544 ай бұрын
Around 1000 grams
@cbknight68825 ай бұрын
Crappy.....no explanation
@johannesthe5th1545 ай бұрын
@@cbknight6882 this video is for viewers above kindergarden level. Sorry
@sgillcomp12 Жыл бұрын
I total understand, The Acids are terrible, So I understand your way of doing things, I just meant time wise if it was more than a hobby, No insult interned, sorry bout that.
@johannesthe5th154 Жыл бұрын
The proces of collecting, separating all of the chips from the different types of boards and recycle everything in the right places is the biggest time consuming thing in this hobby.. the recovery and the refining doesn’t take that long in contrast.. I’m definitely not insulted by your comment. I’m just answering from how I see it. Feel free, if you have more suggestions or if there’s any criticism. I’m not trying to insult as well. There’s no need for apologies ☺️
@sgillcomp12 Жыл бұрын
This will take you forever to do it like tha, Clean the ash then what your left with has gold, Put the ash in a beaker w/ Heat, HCI and Clorox, Youll get all your gold takes less than half the time.
@johannesthe5th154 Жыл бұрын
That would be counterproductive. This type of recovery doesn’t require strong acids and dangerous fumes. If you are concerned about your time doing your hobbies. Then I would suggest a different hobby
@Hill-13 Жыл бұрын
How many grams of IC. Chips was thatb
@johannesthe5th154 Жыл бұрын
@@Hill-13 around 1000 grams
@alfredweaver5390 Жыл бұрын
I figured that, however, I was looking for the commercial grade grinder.
@johannesthe5th154 Жыл бұрын
Im not sure there’s a commercial grinder for that exact purpose.. But. Certain gold ore crushers would do the job like a ball mill or chain mill. Omegageek64 or Mbmmllc on KZbin uses the equipment above. You should check them out. They would have more answers than me 😊
@alfredweaver5390 Жыл бұрын
Where do you get those grinders?
@johannesthe5th154 Жыл бұрын
Second hand shops, fleemarkets ect. Its just a blender. Smoothie machines works just fine as well. I also have a coffe grinder that makes the material extra fine. They won’t last very long so buying it new seems wasteful
@spoff72 Жыл бұрын
awsome video thank you for the help
@scrapingE-wastebyMarsi Жыл бұрын
That is where all of us get stock...coper gold mix that we hate the most. You got mu sub. like and support. Good work. Keep the steam.
@fredkaningok6460 Жыл бұрын
❤ nice gold
@connorv5482 Жыл бұрын
What do you do with the big bits that can’t get through the mesh ( I’m doing it now so what colour should the ash be because mines black.(it was in fire ) Also I have what looks like the ic chip without the black ceramic should I carry on grinding it down or not.
@johannesthe5th154 Жыл бұрын
I’m Saving everything and then burning it again in future batches. It’s difficult to get everything in first try. Ceramic chips should not be included in this. They require another process
@connorv5482 Жыл бұрын
If the top is gold what’s on the bottom near the end?
@johannesthe5th154 Жыл бұрын
All sorts of basemetals, diodes plastic ect.
@connorv5482 Жыл бұрын
@@johannesthe5th154 thanks
@connorv5482 Жыл бұрын
Can those bits be burned again.
@johannesthe5th154 Жыл бұрын
@@connorv5482 Yes. Im saving everything to be burned and processed again in the next batch. It’s almost impossible to extract all gold in first try.
@connorv5482 Жыл бұрын
Thanks also with just your best guess how many times do you do it .
@redbaronrefining5322 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video!!! I love seeing every level of recovery context on here as well as the different techniques people use that i can learn from and apply myself!! I do however very highly recommend that you do a couple more steps to get a much bigger recovery of your gold etc. 1: make sure to crush everything down to pass through a fine sieve , even finer is good too, allowing the legs to separate from the bonding wires. If the material doesn’t want to crush, incinerate them again until the material does crush, leaving only the legs behind. Save those for a larger batch to process one day. Of course it’s still a good idea to use a magnet to separate anything that did pass the sieve to make it easier when doing your preferred gravity separation method. 2: you HAVE to make sure to add detergent to your water when rinsing the IC chips. I guarantee you are loosing bonding wires due to them not breaking the surface tension. Glad you’re keeping the rinsed off materials at least, but you can get away with tossing it once you know you e broke tension, and to be safe, use a bucket or tall beaker to rinse the majority of the carbon off before switching to panning (or better yet a mini sluice!)
@Chewy_GarageBandDad Жыл бұрын
URBAN GOLD BABY!!!! WELL DONE!
@johannesthe5th154 Жыл бұрын
Thank you 😎👍
@kalelramos7864 Жыл бұрын
Where did you buy all those scrap watches?
@johannesthe5th154 Жыл бұрын
Second hand stores, yard sales, flea markets etc
@venkatamohankandregula1557 Жыл бұрын
Waiting for part II
@Rob337_aka_CancelProof Жыл бұрын
5:40 what was that you just fished out and separated from everything else? (And why)
@johannesthe5th154 Жыл бұрын
Base metal parts, glas, fabric ect.. Removing unwanted materials, makes it easier to pan.
@Dennis-hu5tp Жыл бұрын
That was great 👍 Smart, excellent design and seems to doing its job. Question: Are you German or Swede? I’m from Sweden and your tools look like the ones we have here in Sweden. But I suppose we import (the most quality stuff) from Germany)
@amr_hussien Жыл бұрын
1gm gold from 1kg ic That's a little amount
@johannesthe5th154 Жыл бұрын
It’s pretty normal for that type of low quality chips. Other kinds, for example GC-BGA grants 10 grams+ pr. kg
@marcelotrindade-t5o Жыл бұрын
estou aprendendo com voce sou do brazil
@kamikazetom9785 Жыл бұрын
Nice chanel
@johannesthe5th154 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Tom
@MagdaleneHenricus Жыл бұрын
Thanks God bless you
@zakianoomen8961 Жыл бұрын
Do you mean chlorine the sodium hypochlorite? At which concentration the active chlorine? 8%,10%,12%? Thanks
@gilbertogrimm5843 Жыл бұрын
Que paciencia, de santo.
@johannesthe5th154 Жыл бұрын
la gente me llama Sr. paciencia
@Jibrannajam92 Жыл бұрын
How long did it take to dissolve those foils?
@junedqureshi95852 жыл бұрын
Sir without aqua regia and smb the obtained gold from fingers is which karot and tell me it will be sold in market
@alpersaltos30822 жыл бұрын
Can this system be used also for pins or plated boards?
@johannesthe5th1542 жыл бұрын
I suppose it could, but I’ve be a little concerned with the boards though. I don’t know how it would react with different kinds of solder. Also with the price. It takes a large quantity of citric acid to put small amounts of base metals in solution. Then you’ve be left with a lot of toxic waste to get rid of. Here where I live citric acid isn’t cheap 😬 I tried once to desolve a gold filled wrist watch in citric acid. It took A LOT of acid. But it worked just fine. I guess more experiments are needed. 😊
@karlbe84142 жыл бұрын
I say start off your ash in a deep 5 gal. bucket and rinse 3 times or so, then pan.
@johannesthe5th1542 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I could have done that, but like this it’s way less water used. 😊
@prospectorpete2 жыл бұрын
Why dont you talk ?. Silent movies went out in the 50s
@PinkPoo Жыл бұрын
Not everyone has a voice and not everyone with a voice can speak
@genewickersham4593 Жыл бұрын
People are always yapping or playing annoying music on KZbin videos. This is educational.
@genewickersham4593 Жыл бұрын
Bring back silent movies!
@Chewy_GarageBandDad Жыл бұрын
@@genewickersham4593 I agree the music is annoying, but unless you are explaining what you are doing what good is it?
@lewisgiles88552 жыл бұрын
You know it smells horrible
@genewickersham4593 Жыл бұрын
It's the smell of money.
@jamestrevarthen66092 жыл бұрын
Liked the video but why no audio on the liquid in the blue bottle you used, what was the liquid in the black bucket, and the liquid in the measuring bowl? I'm new to this myself and would appreciate the chemical info on what you use!
@johannesthe5th1542 жыл бұрын
Hello James 👋 The blue liquid is just a dish washer deterrent. It removes the surface tension of the water so that everything sinks to the bottom much easier. The other liquids is plane tap water
@arnedalbakk63152 жыл бұрын
Hei
@Jibrannajam922 жыл бұрын
Hello @NineTwoFive how are you doing? Went through this process as suggested by you. I had a couple of questions looking at it: 1, What was your ratio of HCL(ML) to AP(ML). Does the ratio have any correlation with the amount of material being used here? Or does the material just need an HCL dip height and the rest can then be taken care of by the AP? 2, I liked your DIY on using the funnel to enforce the AP drop by drop into the solution. How long did it take to completely stop reacting with the material and why was the solution entirely covered? Like I don't see any room for fume evaporation, or was it not needed at all? 3, You have used the HCL and Bleach(Chlorine) in your other video, is the same applicable here as well? Or will it take longer than this? Awaiting your reply. Many Thanks.
@johannesthe5th1542 жыл бұрын
Hello Jibran 👋 1. For example in this video, I had 33 grams of material that I needed to go in solution. That doesn’t require much acid. So I just make sure that everything is covered. Generally I want to use as little acid as possible. That will save other chemicals in the future and creates less waste The HCL/peroxide ratio makes sense when you start adding the peroxide. Too much peroxide too fast, makes the acid boil over. So you want to find that sweet spot when the solution starts to have a “rolling boil” 2. If you use the “cotton in funnel” method and it drips too fast. Just jam some more cotton in there. And vice versa. When there is too less peroxide in the acid or it stopped reacting, it’s very noticeable. It won’t be boiling as much. Generally if there is no peroxide drip, it will almost stop reacting right away. 3. It’s the same with Chlorine as explained above, but I’m never gonna work with bleach/Chlorine again. Chlorine gas just to risky for the health. Peroxide is much less poisonous Hope it helps 😊
@Jibrannajam922 жыл бұрын
@@johannesthe5th154 Thanks for your prompt response, I understood your answer for the first one. Spot on! However, for the second part, how are we to know that the HCL AP solution has completely dissolved the gold material if the reaction goes on until AP is added and stops when we pour no more? Lets suppose I incinerate 1 kg of IC chips and wash away all the ashes. Now I'm left with solid residue. I pour HCL to cover it all and start adding peroxide. How will I know till which point it has completely dissolved all the useful material and until when do I have to stop? Also would it need any heat or no? Will this process even work on dissolving the IC residue material properly? Thirdly, yes I do understand the risk of using chlorine gas and I even DIY'd a bleach but due to a lack of knowledge, I only thought it best to replace nitric. However, everyday's a learning process and I hope to thrive through the likes of knowledge sharing generous people like yourself. Of course, it Helps :)
@johannesthe5th1542 жыл бұрын
@@Jibrannajam92 ah 😊.. well. It’s a matter of testing the solution with Stannous chloride. I wouldn’t add peroxide to the acid until all undesirable basemetal has been removed from the sludge. Heat and HCL will remove everything except the precious metals. You know the solution is free from base metals when it turns mostly colourless Adding heat and peroxide will desolve everything faster. But you would have to filter the material and add fresh acid/peroxide in between testing. Even small quantities of gold will give you a positive stannous test. Don’t know if this makes sense 😅
@Jibrannajam922 жыл бұрын
@@johannesthe5th154 you mean i may have to go through multiple HCL washes before adding any peroxide correct? This could take up a lot of acid hence pushing up my costs of refining. I guess I'd rather just clean the sludge off any material using a sluice box or panning then move on to further refining as you habe done here. On another note, stannous may indicate a positive even if there is a little amount of gold in the solution. It does not help us indicate whether all of the gold has been dissolved. Anyhow, ill give it a try then lets see where it goes from here. P.S. can the solution have the available metals such as silver and copper to be precipitated later?
@Jibrannajam922 жыл бұрын
Hi, your process is quite neat. And the result is on point for average quality ICs. However can we use Ram chips for the same? Whether DDR or DDR 2,3? As they all got gold wires within them. Since the vid wasnt complete, please clear this out. All that golden on your pan is gold? Or only the section where much of the finer particles were pushed to a corner is useful. Please share knowledge. Thanks. God bless!
@johannesthe5th1542 жыл бұрын
Hello jubran 👋 You’re right. I didn’t show the whole process. To get the chips crushed up properly, I use a larger cast iron mortar to grind it up to release the fine wire from the plastic. All golden stuff in the pan IS gold, but it looks like there is more than there actually is. After refining and melt. That is where you see the actual result. Almost All RAM chips has gold bond wire inside. And yes. It’s the same process. Although I don’t mis BGA chips with the side legged RAM. BGA has almost no base metals inside. So they are very easy to crush and separate the gold from the silicon glas and plastic. I usually get 1,1 gram of gold pr 1kg of mixed side legged RAM chips Around 2,3 gram of gold pr. Kg of BGA ram Chips Around 10 gram of gold pr. Kg of Goldcornered BGA chips. Also I soak everything in HCL for months to remove most Tin and other undesirablemetals. This step is not a must, but it makes everything so much easier
@Jibrannajam922 жыл бұрын
@@johannesthe5th154 thanks for your reply. Very well, but it does look like one heck of a job getting all the very fine and light materials to churn out from this alone and you had a lot more to go on after that. I presume you must have used AR to further refine it down to get purity, why did you not opt to go for that directly insead of panning it out? Would have saved you time and effort.
@johannesthe5th1542 жыл бұрын
@@Jibrannajam92 Nitric acid is not legal in my country for private use so I use a mixture of HCL and chlorine/peroxide. It’s far more safe, fast and easier to refine after separating the precious metal from all the rest of the material when using the oxidation chemicals mentioned above. Although this way requires the material to be grinded vey fine.
@Jibrannajam922 жыл бұрын
@@johannesthe5th154 ah yes, ive used HCL and Homemade bleach to refine my gold dust. Although this may work well for the solid nano particles, would it be convenient to use this method on the wires as well? Do they dissolve?
@johannesthe5th1542 жыл бұрын
@@Jibrannajam92 it will. With 10% hydrogen peroxide, enough heat and steady feed. It will desolve. But AR would be more convenient I guess.
@sowhat70072 жыл бұрын
😀 👍 👏👏👏👏
@OnsloVest2 жыл бұрын
Nice one! What a lovely vial of gold
@johannesthe5th1542 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😊
@mayralerma-delgado13432 жыл бұрын
What was added to the water
@johannesthe5th1542 жыл бұрын
A dishwater detergent to break the surface tension of the water. It helps so everything falls straight to the bottom. Otherwise gold can actually float away when pouring the water out. All kinds of “soaps” can be used, but the upside of using dishwater detergents is that it doesn’t create many bobbles
@chanheosican66362 жыл бұрын
I assume you are using SMB to precipitate out the gold Nice work tho.
@johannesthe5th1542 жыл бұрын
Thank you Chan. Yes. SMB 😊
@prospectorpete2 жыл бұрын
Why aren't you talking ? Silent movie stopped in the 1940s
@johannesthe5th1542 жыл бұрын
I’m a hipster
@akgoldbear76692 жыл бұрын
6:37 A very big amount of material 👌 Did you fill everything with peroxide, just peroxide? If only peroxide, I recommend you to add to the solution any vinegar 😉
@johannesthe5th1542 жыл бұрын
Hello 👋 It’s mostly acid (HCL 30%) and hydrogen peroxide is used as a catalyst to get the solution going. There’s no magnetics present in the material. So the solution will eat any base metal, leaving only silver, gold and platinum group metals. It just takes a lot of time There’s quite an amount yes. I’m hoping to get a 2% gold yield, but I’m not sure if the GF and the 20/1000 microns plague marks are equivalent to each other. It’s difficult to find precise information. So it remains to be seen in the final tally 😊 Most (around 60%) of the material has a gold layer of 20 micron Nitric acid is illegal for private use where I live. Also concentrated sulphuric acid is banned. That’s why I’m using this method 😊
@akgoldbear76692 жыл бұрын
@@johannesthe5th154 I could not even imagine that nitric and sulfuric acids might not be legal in some country. I don't understand why?!🤔 It's just acids that are used in industry. Sulfuric acid is used in any car company to charge car batteries. City buses run in all cities, right?! Probably the government of your country is afraid that someone will learn how to make cocaine from nitric acid 😁😃
@johannesthe5th1542 жыл бұрын
@@akgoldbear7669 It’s illegal to own privately because of the strict anti terror law. Nitric salt is a ingredient for making bombs. But if you have a business that uses nitric acids like labs, then you can buy, but it requires to be approved by the government. Battery acid can be bought some places, but it’s 28-30% at most. I’m still looking for ways to refine silver. Vinegar is just too “smelly” and slow to use. 😋
@ابوهادي-د1ط2 жыл бұрын
Hi sir How I can denoxing the solution befor i add smb
@johannesthe5th1542 жыл бұрын
You won’t be needing denoxing because there’s no nitric present.
@ابوهادي-د1ط2 жыл бұрын
@@johannesthe5th154 thanks sir .. I work with hcl and hypochlorite and the solution give me positive test But when i add directly smb there is no precipitation and the test of solution with stannus become negative where is the gold!!!!
@simonstergaard2 жыл бұрын
pro tip: if you get a lot of insoluble green salts and you want to filter, add a little hydrochloric acid and it dissapears.
@simonstergaard2 жыл бұрын
ja det er en fin lugtfri metode.
@jimmyhoneycutt12 жыл бұрын
This video is as good as the previous. You got about the same recovery rate as trinity gold recovery did, well..... almost...... and he does it full time. Good job man, show us another one like it.
@johannesthe5th1542 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jimmy 😊
@jimmyhoneycutt12 жыл бұрын
This was very good video. Bravo.
@larrymullins57812 жыл бұрын
like the idea, but if you do it again try using the same spot for every photo. thank you again