what to do with free gas?
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compressing biogas
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h2s problem solved
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h2s concerns again
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h2s questions.
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update - making progress
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biodigester questions.
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@WLHJ-l5b
@WLHJ-l5b 2 күн бұрын
Bro you still did a good job filming and explaining a big thanks for that
@kawaiisenshi2401
@kawaiisenshi2401 10 күн бұрын
Ty so much just learned about h2s tday~
@kawaiisenshi2401
@kawaiisenshi2401 10 күн бұрын
Great 1st question
@kawaiisenshi2401
@kawaiisenshi2401 10 күн бұрын
Man i love the idea of concenverting one residential home septic tank into a biodigester tank that creates free Biogas! I think a local cow farm created an underground methane tank They decided to connect their biogas to a power generator and create another stream of income for their business by selling power back to the grid 🌟 🤩 🌟
@kawaiisenshi2401
@kawaiisenshi2401 10 күн бұрын
Same! Ty for building a whole channel on this topic!
@iehudim
@iehudim 12 күн бұрын
greetings from southern Brasil
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA 9 күн бұрын
Greetings! Welcome.
@jm74784
@jm74784 16 күн бұрын
Do you have a link for the filter housings?
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA 9 күн бұрын
Yes. This is what I used www.amazon.com/dp/B003JMRJ6Y/ref=cm_sw_r_as_gl_api_gl_i_8C9T3WTSN8NYJN4M33ES?linkCode=ml2&tag=nateslink-20
@MrSj1958
@MrSj1958 Ай бұрын
what type of compress I can use?? for example can I sue regulare air compressor?? I have concen with igniting the methan as I compress the gas?? any feed back would be appreciated
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA Ай бұрын
That’s a fair concern, I’m still concerned with that every time I go to compress. You need to be very careful to make sure there is no oxygen in the system before you start the compressor.
@paulishism
@paulishism Ай бұрын
This is a great resource.
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA Ай бұрын
Thank you Paul! I’m glad you think so.
@ignasanchezl
@ignasanchezl Ай бұрын
I calculated energy consumption for filling a high pressure 4500PSI tank, it would take about 8Kwh to fill a 33L tank. That tank would contain about 100Kwh of energy if it were 90% methane, if I were to use that methane on a 40% efficient generator (very optimistic) and then use the energy from that generator to power the compressor, I would require 20Kwh of my gas to do so. Meaning to store 100Kwh of 90% methane gas at 4500psi I waste 20% of the energy of the gas. It's an ok number, the problem comes when you realize biogas is not 90% methane, but much less.
@ignasanchezl
@ignasanchezl Ай бұрын
easy option is to lower the pressure, 2000 psi, less than half the capacity, but would take less than a quarter of the energy to reach that pressure.
@Xenu321
@Xenu321 Ай бұрын
If you know someone with a biogas digester, you can also use a sample from his/her digested fluid 👍
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA Ай бұрын
That’s a great idea, I hadn’t thought of that.
@estebancorral5151
@estebancorral5151 Ай бұрын
You don’t need feces. I thermogenicallr compost wee
@madcat9531
@madcat9531 Ай бұрын
Poop
@SenorTucano
@SenorTucano Ай бұрын
I presume the biogas is all methane and has less calorific value than propane, hence you need to up the flow rate?
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA Ай бұрын
Correct. Not only is it methane, it is very lean methane. Around 40%co2. So if it is allowed to mix with air in the manifold, the way a burner is designed, the fuel concentration will be below the flammable range.
@cricketol
@cricketol Ай бұрын
why not have a presser relief valve in place of the bubbler. Also you could have the compressor attached permanently. have a valve between the digester and the gas storage area. so they digester does not end up with vacuum. hope that can help out have a 2 or 3 bar presser relief valve 2 bar is 29 psi and 3 bar is 43 psi
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA Ай бұрын
Hey! Great idea with the compressor permanently attached. I have actually done that already, I just haven’t made any videos that shows it yet. That’s a great way to keep air out of your tanks and it simplifies the process too. From my experience with the last digester those unseals work great up to about 2psi when they’re new. After they’ve leaked by a bit the number goes down. I could use a prv but I don’t know if they make them that sensitive, and even if they did I don’t think it will be as reliable as a jar of water and it’ll be harder to see if the prv is being used. Additionally, the water will scrub H2S from the gas it’s releasing into my environment which is very dangerous at low concentrations.
@cricketol
@cricketol Ай бұрын
@@BiogasUSA any thoughts on using stainless steel fermentation tanks for gas production? also, you can clean them out if the system goes down and you just need to clean it and then rebuild it from scratch also the stainless steel would be able to hold a larger amount of pressure.
@vasilispants8241
@vasilispants8241 Ай бұрын
I am a CNG/LPG kit installer by profession and I compressed my biogas and run my cng car with it. Only thing you have to do is tune the kit a little richer just like you did with your stove/burner to compensate for the leaner gas. You get just a little less power but it works fine. My concern is that biogas has a small percentage of Hydrogen that might make the steel tanks brittle overtime and they might explode eventually under pressure. I have type 4 carbon cng tanks but am still afraid to use them as they are not rated for hydrogen. I have seen videos of cng tanks exploding and I don't want to experience this so I stopped doing it. If you can find a way to get rid of H2 then that would be great. They say that H2 molecule is so small that it goes through any tank even steel ones so I guess that by the time I compress it into my tank it should have already escape but I am not sure as I have no way to measure H2 content.
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA Ай бұрын
I have heard biogas could have up to 1% h2, but for some reason last year when I had my gas tested hydrogen wasn’t anywhere on the sheet. Next time I’ll have to ask them if there’s a way to check that too. I can’t find a colorimetric tube for it. Do you install multiple brands of CNG kits or just one? Can you plug one here? What do you think the chances are they sponsor me a kit for a video? I appreciate your comment.
@vasilispants8241
@vasilispants8241 Ай бұрын
@@BiogasUSA I haven't found a way to measure H2 either, that's why I stopped doing it, but I might start again because I found yesterday that my type 4 cng gas tank is compatible with RNG. We install systems by Lovato, BRC, Stag etc. There are a lot of LPG and CNG cars here in Greece but I can't tell you something about sponsorship as this is a joke around here. I know people who use RNG in type 1 steel tanks but I think it's a risk. There are ways to get rid of the CO2 to turn biogas to RNG which is more powerful. I might try such techniques but maybe in 6 months as I don't have the time now. Maybe you should give it a try and make a video about it. Oh and buy a type 4 carbon tank and get rid of this rusty steel one!
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA Ай бұрын
@@vasilispants8241 what are the ways to get rid of the co2? The best I could do so far was 60% ch4.
@vasilispants8241
@vasilispants8241 Ай бұрын
@@BiogasUSA If you google "How to eliminate CO2 from biogas" you will find many pages on the internet. All professional plants have scrubbers for CO2, hydrogen sulphide, siloxanes and moisture that turn raw biogas into RNG which is 97% methane and is practically the same as CNG. There are many methods and I am sure you will find one that suits you. I will try the water and iron wool one.
@MicahWeb
@MicahWeb 23 күн бұрын
@@vasilispants8241@ vasilispants8241 I would go with 2-stage membrane separation, H2S removal (Activated Carbon Filter) before being compressed, moisture removal by refrigeration to 40-60F (4.4-15C), this also removes VOCs which kill your membrane and then into the 2-stage membrane separation. This should give you two separate streams of 99% CH4 and CO2. CO2 to the atmosphere or recover and CH4 to your Storage tank.
@vasilispants8241
@vasilispants8241 Ай бұрын
If you use solar panels to power the compressor then I guess it's fine, otherwise you would have to change your car with a new electric one.
@Jimbo-dw2vj
@Jimbo-dw2vj Ай бұрын
Hey it's your long lost buddy you gifted the black German Shepherd to in NC. I switched phones and need to track down your number. Haha. Nice channel!
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA Ай бұрын
Yea man. Give me a call. I’d love to hear from you.
@kawaiisenshi2401
@kawaiisenshi2401 10 күн бұрын
I'm in in Eastern NC if anyone is close by 👀
@PhilVanHuisseling
@PhilVanHuisseling Ай бұрын
Sorry, I can't answer any questions here. I have one myself though.. the f..k is your neighbor up to, are they just f'n with you. Also, thanks for the videos!
@user-tw3ml9nk9k
@user-tw3ml9nk9k Ай бұрын
Thanks for the videos. Quite educating and unique 👍. What do you intend using as a as an extenal storage system for your gas? I had to shut down my first digester due to inavailability of a gas bag..... Biogas technology is not very common in Nigeria making Biogas accessories very expensive.
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA Ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment. Watch a few more of my videos. I am filtering it into inner tubes and then compressing it into propane tanks for storage and use. Basically everything is free for me. I used mostly trash.
@user-tw3ml9nk9k
@user-tw3ml9nk9k Ай бұрын
@@BiogasUSAYeah I've seen that in some of your videos. But can you use the space above the Slurry level as a permanent gas storage that takes the gas to the burner directly?
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA Ай бұрын
@@user-tw3ml9nk9k maybe with a different design you could do that. This one will not hold any pressure, and there’s very little volume for gas.
@PapasTortillas
@PapasTortillas Ай бұрын
Great video! I have followed your channel for a while and have finally started to build a digester. I’m going with the ibc tote design from solar city. I appreciate all your videos. I feel like I remember you mentioned hoping to run a car on biogas, did I remember that correctly? Have you experimented with that at all?
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA Ай бұрын
You do remember that correctly. I still intend to. I have 3 or 4 ideas still about how to get my gas pure enough, but if I’m not able to revive my old digester this will be a setback while I wait for the new digester to mature. I’m glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for the comment, and let me know if you encounter any issues. I’d love to help you slog through them.
@PapasTortillas
@PapasTortillas Ай бұрын
@@BiogasUSA awesome! I came across some old videos of a guy named Harold Bate that used chicken manure to generate biogas and ran his old carbonated car on biogas he compressed into a propane bottle. I think that’s super cool. I haven’t seen many diy people using biogas in a newer fuel injected car, however I saw some videos by a guy named Gary Gilmore who used a wood gasifier in his fuel injected ford ranger and it worked burning charcoal. Very interesting and I would love to see someone make it work with biogas. You mentioned over feeding your digester, how much did you feed it? I have read around 1.5 gallons a day of waste for the size I’m trying to build, but I’m not sure how you know how much is too much? Also could you empty your digester and restart it instead of building a new one?
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA Ай бұрын
@@PapasTortillas from what I have learned recently (since posting my last video on methanogens) there’s a second culture which turns the substrate acidic and somehow makes it bioavailable to the methanogenic archaea. So I guess over feeding makes the substrate too acidic and the methanogens shut down in the low PH. I kept feeding through winter even though the temp fell drastically. I was keeping my garage at 50F. I guess the first culture (whoever they are) continues working at lower temps and the methanogens slow down. The effluent started to smell horrible. That was my first hint that something was going wrong. Maybe you can know by routinely checking the PH level in your effluent. It should be very close to 7. Most of the internet agrees, under ideal circumstances, I can feed 3/4 gal per day for my 30 gal digester. I could have absolutely dumped and recycled the old digester but I wanted to make some improvements, and I wanted to make this video. I could have also cannibalised almost all of the parts from the old digester, but I wanted to be able to provide links to exactly what I used. Also, I’m still holding out hope I can revive the old one. I dumped 5lbs of lime into it a couple days ago. Fingers crossed.
@joachimschreiber7835
@joachimschreiber7835 2 ай бұрын
I guess moisture is a big problem. If you rust your gas tank from the inside you'll blow yourself Up...
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA Ай бұрын
Yes, h2s is the first problem. Nothing will eat ferrous metal as fast as h2s and biogas has large quantities of it. After than, moisture is the next problem. I’m hearing now that the 1% hydrogen in biogas could make the walls of my tank brittle too.
@robertmawanda
@robertmawanda 2 ай бұрын
Being on 100% solar, pumping biogas or splitting H20 with solar electricity does me no loss.
@user-tw3ml9nk9k
@user-tw3ml9nk9k 2 ай бұрын
Amazing 🤗.... Where you got really crazy 😧 ( 09:16 Sec) ....... Triggered my comment 😊........ Because I've thought of this several times. Infact, thought I was the only one with this crazy thought in the world 😅. "Pursuing my degree in Microbiology"
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA 2 ай бұрын
That’s awesome. Good to know I’m not alone.
@livingecology
@livingecology 2 ай бұрын
hey sounds like you opened pandoras bio-digester (; I think this time I can help with some of the questions you brought up , first I've read in a few places and it's my understanding that there are two parts to metanogenisis (the biological creation of methane) the first is the break down of organic molecules (the wast being fed) in to acetic acid or other anaerobic carbon based molecules, this part can be done by "other bugs" and my be more efficient with more specific bacteria or archea, the second part of the process is the actual formation of methane with the consumption of the acetic acid and production of methane. there is a "delicate" balance between the to stages because the first creates acid wich lowers the ph wile the second part is limited to a more ph neutral environment, that's why you can't put to much feed at once or it will all go acidic and the process will stop , in a healthy digester the methane production (literally) eats the acidic molecules creating a balanced . on the part of sterilizing and having a specific culture to my perspective it will not help and probably counter productive as bacteria and archea all have a wide range of biological pathways, meaning thay can do meny different things that create meny different biological compounds like from co2 to metanol acitic acid and meny others , mostly it depends on the chemical conditions thay are found in, so sterling and selecting will not help so much, what more thay are geneticly very flexible so its not like you have a chicken in a pen and you know it will stay a chicken tomorrow, with archea you can come back tomorrow and find a walrus in sted of a chicken. the bio-digester is actually an ecosystem with all the principles of ecosystems applying to it, so it thrives on diversity and is defind by the conditions that are present. I'll share my one (bad) ideas on dealing with the co2 , and oxygen , first as a biology geek I was thinking of organisms that take in co2 and obviously plants and defrent photosynthesisers take in co2 , and thay also produces oxygen as a by product, wich can make a very flammable combination of methane and oxygen gas , on the other hand there are some plants like different kinds of cactus 🌵 that take in co2 and release oxygen at different times and may help filter out the co2 it needs more research, and for the oxygen it reacts with iron in the proses of rust so maybe if the material is fed through some rusted iron it will absorb the oxygen before it gets in the digester.
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA 2 ай бұрын
I love your (very bad) idea of using plants to turn ch4 and co2 into ch4 and 02. It would be a lot more flammable but I could never compress it. Thank you again for the comment. This was excellent.
@yodahat
@yodahat 3 ай бұрын
Just wondering. Is there a reason you're sucking the gas through the filters backwards? I guess it doesn't matter with the filter media you're using. Just seeing that you're going against the flow arrows on the filters triggered my ocd, lol!
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA 3 ай бұрын
Hahaha I understand. On the filter full of water if I ran it with the arrows it would suck the water up the pvc like a straw instead of bubbling the gas through it. I actually have this problem sometimes if the gas tries to run backwards. Since filming this video I have relocated the filters to between the digester and the inner tube so the gas passes through a little more slowly. Sometimes if I have a big temperature swing (from hot to cold) the liquid mass inside the digester physically shrinks and sucks the water out of that filter and into the digester.
@robertbonoffski9790
@robertbonoffski9790 3 ай бұрын
About how long do you figure you can run that heater off that tank if it was full? And how many PSI do you put in the tank? Thanks
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA 3 ай бұрын
I would never go beyond 300 psi on a propane tank. If that 100lbs propane tank were at 300psi I think it might run the heater for 3 or 4 days straight.
@kawaiisenshi2401
@kawaiisenshi2401 10 күн бұрын
​@@BiogasUSAwow ! Thts freaking awesome!
@atlasboucher543
@atlasboucher543 3 ай бұрын
I love to see you do another compressing video
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA 3 ай бұрын
I should. I have improved the way I do it considerably since my last one. I should do an update video
@atlasboucher543
@atlasboucher543 3 ай бұрын
I think so for saving it for winter time
@atlasboucher543
@atlasboucher543 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video
@mrithyunjaibalakanagaram9636
@mrithyunjaibalakanagaram9636 3 ай бұрын
is cow manure the only type of manure that can be used?
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA 3 ай бұрын
Hello! No, cows are not the only animal. You can use the manure of any animal with a special stomach called a rumen. A few other options are sheep, goats, deer, giraffe.
@mrithyunjaibalakanagaram9636
@mrithyunjaibalakanagaram9636 3 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@streetpunk99
@streetpunk99 3 ай бұрын
You can probably just coil some wire around that igniter and attach it to the other spot. Then bend the piece of wire down into the gas stream. Just looking to get that arc close enough to the gas. I cant see why extending it with more wire wouldnt work
@mattycastaway
@mattycastaway 3 ай бұрын
What exactly is the issue with air in the system? i assume there is small amounts of air in the filters so some air will be pushed into the tank.
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA 3 ай бұрын
Two things @mattycastaway. I am working hard to produce a more pure methane, so I don’t want to dilute it with all the nitrogen in the atmosphere. Also, if methane and oxygen mix in the right quantities there is a chance it could explode. For these reasons I do my best to purge all air out of the system.
@ZZ90755
@ZZ90755 4 ай бұрын
man get your stuff together before posting,you're using wrong fitting replacing them by 2x"s on top of a freezer the propane was to close come on.
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA 4 ай бұрын
Hey, thanks for the feedback. I love any criticism, I’m afraid I don’t understand any of this though. Would you mind clarifying? Why is the fitting wrong? What do you mean 2x”s? What propane? I don’t own any propane. Are you talking about the tank of biogas I am using to fuel the heater?
@kawaiisenshi2401
@kawaiisenshi2401 10 күн бұрын
​@@BiogasUSAI just discovered some of the answers we are attempting to figure out may be able to be found within the blue collar profession of gas fitting. They design, install, test, and maintain gas systems, appliances, etc May be worth checking out a few books or two~ Looking fwd to building my first digester!
@AlanKrueth1989
@AlanKrueth1989 4 ай бұрын
“I don’t have to rely on anybody for energy- this is mine!” Just starting my evening binge-session Nate, really liking your content. Thanks again for sharing this. Respectfully yours, Alan
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA 4 ай бұрын
Mr. Alan how did it go? Thoughts?
@AlanKrueth1989
@AlanKrueth1989 4 ай бұрын
@@BiogasUSAI was scarcely able to scratch the surface! You’ve got a lot of great ideas, and my curiosity has been piqued extraordinarily- I will find a means of securely sending you my contact information, that can enable us to communicate through text, more directly. I am looking for off-grid energy production, and biogas has been on my radar since the 80’s, Readers Digest book, “Back to Basics”, mentions a methane digester, and here we are, forty-odd years later… Looking forward to our next communique, until then, my best regards, Alan
@AlanKrueth1989
@AlanKrueth1989 2 ай бұрын
@@BiogasUSA hey Nate, a month flew by, been busy with a new Struck Magnatrac tractor, MH8500 got about a week ago. As for binge watching, I’m going to get more into getting online more frequently TO binge watch!
@AlanKrueth1989
@AlanKrueth1989 4 ай бұрын
Begs the question, “how many miles-per-fart”… I’m curious to know how to build my own methane digester, how to purify the gasses emitted by the digester, separate the H2SO4 from the methane, how to compress it for useful storage, etc- and here you are! Glad to find your channel, and to have subscribed. Keep up the great work! Respectfully yours, Alan
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA 4 ай бұрын
Hello Alan. I’m glad you found me and thank you for the encouragement. This channel is mostly fueled by questions, so please don’t hesitate to drop any.
@AlanKrueth1989
@AlanKrueth1989 4 ай бұрын
@@BiogasUSAI’m happy to help, and full of questions about biogas and how to harvest it, compress it, store it, and use it- I’ve only today seen your channel, and I’ll no doubt binge-watch a bunch when I get home, I’m out on eighty acres of God’s green earth, property purchased four years ago, and gradually being improved on by yours truly! Nate, please keep up the good work, your vid was informative and encouraging me to perhaps shoot a few of my own. Thanks again, Alan
@roadtrippin2781
@roadtrippin2781 4 ай бұрын
Nice vid! People that carry the Buddy Heater accessories typically have a hose with the old style left handed connector. In case anyone needs to know.
@lingavignesh5911
@lingavignesh5911 4 ай бұрын
Do we need license for these experiment?
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA 4 ай бұрын
To my knowledge, no. I think you can even build a car that runs off biogas and operate it on the road without any special permitting.
@medina3420
@medina3420 4 ай бұрын
Gylcol is basically Antifreeze. propylene glycol also used in foods 😬 But you can buy it in gallons
@medina3420
@medina3420 4 ай бұрын
🤔 Air tight filters under water in the shade or hose running inside AC area. still in water. Solar powered Mini pump, aquarium pump. After a check valve, before the filters. Second tiny line in the water to displace heat, bubbles Last filter, desiccant, outside in a small Black box with Glass on front in the sun. HIGH HEAT 🤷
@medina3420
@medina3420 4 ай бұрын
You can run a Generator on Biogas with an Aquarium pump and gas kit. Start the Generator with tiny bit of gas, To get the Pump running, then switch to biogas. works. Then Free Electricity. So then compressed biogas become closer to Free.
@chrislinda3623
@chrislinda3623 4 ай бұрын
Your question seems to show a big misunderstanding as far as what compressing the gas is doing. Compressing gas gets not more useful energy out of burning gas so it is 100% inefficient to compress it unless you are using the decompression cooling effect. Assuming bio gas compresses as well as air a 2 cubic foot tank at 100 psi is going to have about 13.6 cubic feet of unpressurised gas when released. As far as how much "power" is in your gas 1 W is equal to 3.41 BTU/hr or other way around 1 BTU/hr is 0.293 Watt. You said your gas is about 700 BTU per cubic foot so 13.6 cubic feet will have 9520 BTU if you compress that into a 2 cubic feet tank it will still produce 9520 BTU when burnt so all your compressing did was take it from 13.6 cubic feet of gas and make it 2 cubic feet. 1 hour of 1 KW is about 5 (or 4.87) cubic feet of your gas. Compressing that gas gets you no more energy out unless your gas is spinning a turbine as it depressurizes before burning or you are burning it under pressure, it just makes it smaller and portable so if you take that same 13.6 cubic feet and compress it into a canister your going to get the same heating when you burn it just 13.6 cubic foot gas bag is a pain to handle where a pressurized canister is much more manageable. Is it more efficient to burn gas or use gas in a generator to produce electricity to do the task you want it depends on the task and the devices you are using to do the task. Firstly a petrol driven electric generator is normally about 50-60% efficient assuming your generator is not 100% designed to run on bio gas its probably going to run less than that could be anywhere from 30-50% at a guess. Simple test you can do is get a KW meter and run a 1 KW device for an hour (or a 500w device for 1 hours for half the numbers) on your generator running on bio gas see how much you used based on above calculations 9.7 cubic feet of gas producing 1KW would be your generator running close to 50% efficiency. Heating burning gas is going to be basically 100% efficient similar to electricity in a heating coil. Introduce an electric heat pump in normal operating conditions suddenly the heat pump can be around 240% efficient at heating because its moving heat not making heat even at 50% efficiency to produce the electricity you getting more heating on a heat pump. Not to mention for heating you can use the waste heat of the generator producing electricity to heat as well improving your wasted 50% of energy making electricity. Then you have a very complex system that is very efficient. For cooking burning gas is probably going to yield better results because electric cooking devices take longer to heat up so your using them for longer if your paying a 50% penalty to make the electricity from gas then your paying two costs. If you want to use a washing machine use the electricity no one wants to heat water manually churn the water to wash etc. Refrigeration lets just say that gas fridges went out of style a long long time ago but it is a way to use the energy you put into compressing the gas. Thoughts on Hydrogen As far as hydrogen gas generated from electricity its about 20-30% efficient to make the hydrogen so only do it if you are using "waste" electricity. Most hydrogen gas for industry is produced using energy intense steam reforming on methane so if your burning the gas just burn the methane bio gas. Side note handling hydrogen is NOT like methane, hydrogen can escape every container its ever put in over time it works its way between the molecular structure of its container weakening its structure. It also has no smell and fills a room top down so by the time it finds an ignition point its likely taking the building with it. It is way way more explosive than methane. I would STRONGLY caution people with a can do attitude from working with hydrogen it really is something you want a good understanding of before you play with it. If you are going to "play" with it do it in tiny amounts until you have respect for it we are talking cubic inches of gas not feet. Hydrogen fuel cells for electricity are cool tech but not practical for much other than devices that have very interesting design requirements like space based tech.
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA 4 ай бұрын
I got a lot out of this comment. Thank you so much for taking the time. You mentioned “waste energy”. to clarify, I see all uncompressed biogas as waste energy. I know I’m not creating more energy by compressing it. I was wondering if it was “worth it” I suppose. “Efficient” is definitely the wrong word. I wish I was as articulate as you. Also appreciate the disclaimer on hydrogen. I did not know it was that dangerous.
@benm3574
@benm3574 4 ай бұрын
Inner tube removal would suggest using a expansion tank as in the one used for plumbing it's a steel tank with a rubber bladder inside is a vacuum pump to make the bladder inside expand and use an air compressor to compress the bladder inside to expel it there's no potential contamination and you can chill the tank and internal bladder safer smater and stream line. You can also get these tanks with internal bladders in 20- 200 gallon capasity no more inner tubes.
@jurieccilliers
@jurieccilliers 4 ай бұрын
Based on the compression rate data that you have supplied visually it would take about 7.1 hours and 116 inner tubes to fill the 200 bar gas tank that you have described. Might be good to find a bigger gas transfer mechanism than the inner tubes, perhaps air mattresses?
@nicolascharlery8323
@nicolascharlery8323 4 ай бұрын
Software and telecom background, so not entitled to give the right answer, but interested in the topic nonetheless. My thoughts are: - in a perfect system, energy in = energy out. Since you loose energy somewhere in the process (heat released by the compressor for example), then compressing has an energy cost that will never be compensated - Efficiency would be measured comparing two systems. Transferring electrical energy from A to B using a wire is pretty efficient comparing any solution involving storage of energy in the middle - What type of efficiency? (electrical, volume, ..) - the raw energy comes from the sun, so I would compare its a biogas system to another system that stores solar energy (from the sun to its final storage form)
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA 4 ай бұрын
Great thoughts. I suppose “efficient” is the wrong word and I’m wishing I was a whole lot more articulate right now. The question should have been “is there more energy in the bottle than it took to get it there?” Since all biogas is waste energy to me, I just want to make sure I’m not running an energy deficit.
@abab-kl2gt
@abab-kl2gt 4 ай бұрын
a 2kw generator needs about 3 gallons of porpane an hour..... ??? "1 m3 biogas is equivalent to 0.46 kg LPG" so 12.5m³ of biogas for 2kw. A ⅓hp 3gl air compressor needs 0.5kw for 1 hour, it runs 1/10 of that so 0.05kw. How much biogas is in a 3gl air compressor? You need 0.32m³ to git that.
@chrisgoldbach4450
@chrisgoldbach4450 4 ай бұрын
Pretty sad our system is so corrupt people have to pick up in their garages where people left off in the 1800s jist with better tools and accessibility to the knowledge. This should be at every household or in stores or warehouses being sold constantly. We go though so much trouble to harness materials from the earth when really we shit it out every day.😂 im not sure of the combustion difference and chemicals put out but this and many other methods need looked at again by top notch universities that aren't paid off if that exists. Hats off to you for doing so much for just one guy.
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA 4 ай бұрын
Thank you. I appreciate that. There are commercial digestion plants out there. I know some of them truck cow manure in and digest it. They have proper gas plant equipment attached so they are exporting pipe gas, identical to the natural gas derived from petroleum. That said, it’s fun for me to get close to the source of things. To understand how they work and where they come from. Thanks for the comment.
@arbienacecruz5171
@arbienacecruz5171 4 ай бұрын
The problem we're facing with uncompressed biogas is the space it occupies. We are currently using water displacement in large tanks to capture the biogas. And it does take up space. So, I guess considering those things, compressing biogas for ease of use and transport can be considered when talking about "efficiency" of compressing biogas. Thanks for this!
@jamesfneubauer884
@jamesfneubauer884 4 ай бұрын
That tank fitting can be purchased at Lowes or home depot in the barbecue section.
@mattwernecke2342
@mattwernecke2342 4 ай бұрын
I want one that i can flush the toilet into.
@JohnGladden-camokub
@JohnGladden-camokub 5 ай бұрын
By the way.. that looks like a Carbon Tetrachloride fire extinguisher.... in other words, "Cancer in a can!" I'd avoid discharging that if it is indeed....
@BiogasUSA
@BiogasUSA 4 ай бұрын
Good tip. Thanks for the heads up on that.