I loved this game as a kid and recently tried sonic frontiers. i honestly think Heroes’ controls and movement are substantially more fun.

Glad to hear I'm not the only one who hated the high-speed stages in this game. There's one or two here and there that are fine, and the music is definitely awesome (like in every SEGA game), but God, they are so unoriginal. They literally just recycled the same 3 DAMN LEVELS from Sonic Generations over and over again, and I just can't get used to the awful physics. And it's a shame because that's my favorite part of any Sonic game: the LEVELS.

Oh, look. It's the next Arlo in terms of toxicity and not accepting the new direction of a series he loves.

Guess this dude isn't a Sonic fan.

I love this game, but they need to fix the controls (it’s just a skill issue on my part)

The game is pretty darn good. Get over yourselves.

yea, this video is 90% subjective bro. None of the stuff your saying is really facts, per say, but more your beliefs. Most of your points are simply "I dont like this, but i like this!" The games artstyle is blatantly gonna be different, for starters, were in 3d and its a different studio. Also the complaint about low-quality textures/etc, this game is running on device hardware from 2015. Its not trying to look realistic like oddyssey-ish, its trying to have its own look. Also the textures honestly, are actually relatively decent quality for being on the switch in terms of resolution. Also the luigi change, while a bit contriversal, adds something new to the series which definetely made it fun. Also the platforming section where the platforms are, im pretty sure is intentional. Their are definitely some changes needed to it, but its not really a bad feature. Also the battle-enemies movement, Im pretty sure is like you said, to make battles faster, which is defintely a way higher quality of this game is how well the battles pace. Healthbars, while kinda removing tension, they allow for ALOT more strategy. Also, wdym they SIMPLIFIED the battle mechanics with the hammer? They literally made it more complex, and when the bros are solo, use the same system from every game basically. The item roulete removal, definitely dont like, but was like that in paper jam BUT they do give you stat beans, letting you upgrade your stats a bit more specificaly. Also you never gained a gear slot by leveling up? Its always been a bonus-selection. (Im not too sure IF its like this in BIS:Classic as i havent played it in a LONG time, but last time i played the REMAKE, gear+ was a rank bonus.) Also, your complaint about the lack of enemies.... subjective bro? Of course bowsers inside stories enemies are gonna be like some kinda majestical thing, because their INSIDE bowser. Also going on, (this is my subjective opinion as well, but bowsers inside stories enemies get INCREDIBLY annoying after the first 2-3 times encountering them, unlike brothership, which likely has something to do with the pacing.) The first bro move not being unlocked until 6 hours in basically is definitely annoying, but it takes off after that mark. That still doesnt really defend the point of the first few hours being annoying, but still. Also, the story complaints. Brothership quite literally constantly has a moving plot. Begins with bros simply helping connie, to finding the extension corps, to the first lighthouse, to the bird problem, to the getting into the 2nd lighthouse, and I dont wanna say much more to avoid spoilers, but the game DEFINITELY has a moving plot. Also, you complaining about the locations being all "grasslands." their not. The grasslands are usually plains areas, but their not plains. Also the islands do not look the same? Raynforest looks entirely different then rumbla island, layout and art style wise. Also the "mandatory sidequests." their not sidequests. If rheir mandatory, their PART of the game. The character complaints, you basically going "I dont care about these things" once again, subjective. The characters are definitely in some way wacky, and are also way more alive then other games, having backstories/arcs. Calling this game "NOT A MARIO & LUIGI GAME" is horrid. Ive been playing these games since 2015, and have beaten all them atleast twice, and even worked on a fangame from 2019-2022, and am now working on another one. Sure, brothership is definitely different from older mario & luigi games. Its also, the first one developed by a new company, on a home console, in 3d. Of course its gonna change, all games do. Look at mario 64 and oddyssey, they changed. Its just something that happens, and locking a game down to never changing will result in it growing stale. (Which is why imo, dream team is generally overlooked as bad compared to BIS cause its kinda a BIS repeat.)

i blame the characters not being animated enough its always the same 3 expressions

What about Sonic 06 or Sonic forces eh? You don't hate those anymore

Why does everyone think frontier sucks 😡

Yeah, dude. Your point is better because you stop for no reason after that dash pad, why do you do that? It just makes you look like you don't know how to play and it's a skill issue when it's not. I agree with most you said, but then you were stopping in purpose.

Bro is just complaining to make content

100% correct on the puzzles, i got so tired of watching the tornado animation and constantly needing to switch characters to do one singular action, like flying over a 'just tall enough' wall, or dealing with enemies that NEED to be dealt with specific characters, it's all so tedious

1:08 Sonic Labyrinth 0,25 Speed

To be honest I had more fun in the boss fights and hub world in frontiers than the actual levels

My main gripe with this game is that it's too easy and simple. It's very hand-holding and doesn't punish you very much. The actual level design tries to be crazy with all these new powerups and enemies, but ends up feeling basic and involved most of the time. I think Mario and Luigi U were more challenging. However, I still really like the game as it feels like the start of a fresh new era!

i loved everything about frontiers except the levels and i still haven't beaten it just be free roaming lmaoooo

The thing with Luigi being not directly behind you is something i think is great, and that you can make him do things on his own is a right direction. BUT, if i want to do things with him, it should also be in MY controll, like that you also need to platform him, and that you need to press B to choose his action commands This is keeping the game from being perfect

Damn this was actually an eye opening review and addresses a lot of things that can actually be considered legitimate problems with the game. And this is coming from someone who 100% completed Wonder 5 times! Seriously I love this game and think it's my favorite 2D Mario yet and I've played all of them. But I can see why you had a hard time enjoying its gameplay. If I had to say why I love Wonder so much I guess it's because I normally like to 100% Mario games and I think out of all the mainline 2D Mario games, Wonder has the best pacing for a full completionist run. Every level always does something unique and new and always tries to mix things up and I rarely find myself getting bored or finding it monotonous after a while. Although I will say Standees are my least favorite part of 100% Wonder. Like you said, they're stupid. But at the very least I don't normally find myself having to grind too much for purple coins Anyways good review

Anyone who calls this game bad is definitely retarded lmao

Dont care, goated game

if its slow. go on setting and change them, put him faster and solves your issue.

It's not that bad git good

I think the new physics made them fun in a weird way, and i love the many skips and tricks you can make in the frontiers versions, literally in sonic the hedgehogs official guides to this game showed a glitch for people who wanna go as fast as they can, or the fact you can skip most of the city escape level by not even using any glitch moves, precious games and frontiers versions are prett much just entirely different games for what they're going for

Shadow Generations have similar physics to Frontiers (but improved). However, those physics work so well with the level design of Shadow Gens stages, these levels are entirely designed around these physics in mind and no other. We now have proof that matching level design with how the game plays is IMPORTANT. Shadow Generations is great despite the fact I'm not a huge fan of the physics. Because those physics are not a barrier or an hindrance, they are part of the experience. To be fair, even some of the original Frontiers levels were pretty well tuned to Sonic wonky physics (like 4-3 or 4-4). But with the crap of sliders to modify Sonic's physics, even those didn't feel nearly as good as Shadow in Shadow Gens stages.

8000000090000% agree with this

12:04 Chameleon you goofball.

The soundtrack was trash 🤢 they could’ve made the wonder flower segment music a house/80s type beats and taken notes from 3d world/Super Mario World for the main levels but instead they insisted on keeping the soundtrack silly and playing it too safe, really disappointing especially when music is something I look forward to hearing and expect Nintendo to impress me with when I play a new Mario game

The opening theme is 🔥 tho

the even weirder thing about the multiplayer is that Sonic 4 Episod 2 I played in multiplayer online, and it actually worked quite well as far as I recall. But you had to get someone who matched your skill level

Use thr powerboost

Fr you be zooming in generations and unleashed

As a sonic fan i loved frontier stages. Even tho they are just remixs. But from my s ranks in that game I think i can say the stages are fine. Leave it to sonic fans when the game first came out everyone liked it and now everyone hates it.

i like the fact that you can tell he hasn't played any M&L game after Bowser's Inside Story

The game is great lol luigi is still awsome here

Hot take but lowkey think Frontiers was trash I put like 13 ish hours in it maybe and just couldn’t really get into it

That thing about Sonic "always rescuing Tails" and Tails being the one who "busted Sonic out of prison" is a bit "gas lighting" for my taste (either that, or Ian Flynn misremembered the events of the games); in terms of the games, Sonic rarely rescues Tails at all, the exceptions being the Game Gear version of Sonic 2, SA1, Advance 2, Unleashed arguably, and Forces. That's 5 out of 50+ games where Sonic rescues him! As for the latter, while yes, Tails' goal was to bust Sonic out of his cell on Prison Island, it was Amy who ultimately excecuted that. Some people say "but Tails did most of the work, all Amy did was swipe a card!". Yes, but Amy was still the one who got Sonic out of prison.

If they can make AI Luigi then this would’ve been perfect for co-op

I'm not buying the game solely because Luigi is not B. It's wrong.

internet when sonic fans ever so slightly defend something sonic related for 0.000003 seconds: stupid, brain numbing fanboys blinded by nostalgia.

i agree, couldve been faster, butthurt man children fans incoming

Luigi shines so much in this game stop being delusional guys, he is super genius he does things on his own 🎉 Think guys ! Think !!!

Luigi shines so much in this game stop being delusional guys, he is super genius he does things on his own 🎉 Think guys ! Think !!!

Luigi shines so much in this game stop being delusional guys, he is super genius he does things on his own 🎉 Think guys ! Think !!!

most MISERABLE sonic fan EVER!?

I didn't have an issue with this. If you just stop trying to jump with him in the overworld, he'll make his own jumps basically every time

And you can't be stuck anymore because Luigi fell of a cliff and not Mario

I don't want to play an Elephant. I want to play mario. It's just eh to me. I tried. Back to Super Mario World.

change the settings then lmao

6:21 you’re acting like there can’t be enemies that test your hand eye coordination