03 Cobra MS3Pro PNP Install plus issues

[@shftn04]

Thank you for covering the fuel pumps. I've been wanting to set it up like factory. I had used your FPDM set up with the stock ECU

[@MalcolmV8]

You're very welcome. I figured with so many people using return fuel systems that would hopefully be some useful info.

[@MrSquadify]

Awesome video Malcolm, thanks for your effort here. Would be great if you can add a few tips and tricks when tuning a cammed motor as well.

[@MalcolmV8]

That's a good topic. I can certainly cover dealing with a cam'd motor.

[@jamiesvt]

Awesome vid! Can't wait to see the next one !

[@MalcolmV8]

Thanks man, working on several in parallel.

[@justin.c_svt]

Thats great. Nice work!

[@MalcolmV8]

Thanks

[@dannyjohnsonsgarage]

Super awesome video

[@MalcolmV8]

Thanks :)

[@moffettcoates6455]

Great video

[@mikebosshard]

My car was not nearly as happy when I installed my MS3 PnP lol. I can't wait to get back to it and get it on the road.

[@AwesomeFinish]

Was your motor new?

[@mikebosshard]

@@AwesomeFinish Nope, it had 36k miles on it when I did the conversion. I took it to a shop out in Savannah and they got it running better. I really just need more time messing with the software and learning everything in the hopes of getting much more familiar with it.

[@jrguzman1320]

How was the set up on this?

[@TeViiNz]

There actually is a mark on the OEM balancer. there is a little notch on the balancer that you can see with the timing light. There also is a pointer on the stock front cover for 10 degrees before TDC. when I installed my MS3pnp i had to remove the supercharger belt and intercooler tank to get a good vantage point but after doing so everything worked out. i think i ended up at 401 timing offset.

[@MalcolmV8]

Yes good point, if you're still on a stock balancer there is that mark. I'd still validate it with the piston stop and see how on point it is. The Zinc has an aftermarket balancer so that was not even an option, the Redfire has the stock balancer but there's so much stuff in the way I didn't even think about that. Good reminder, thanks!

[@TeViiNz]

@@MalcolmV8 yeah I had to do quite a bit of research to find that out. Would definitely have to use another technique for an aftermarket balancer

[@AwesomeFinish]

This method is definitely much easier than trying to get a glimpse of the stock timing marks. Plus like he said aftermarket balancers don't include a notch. I have a Innovators West balancer and there's no marks on it. I don't mind putting it up on ramps and doing the marks on the oil pan.

[@TeViiNz]

@@AwesomeFinish understandable. It took me 15 minutes to get the coolant tank off and the supercharger belt off. I have a stock balancer so it made the most sense for me to do it that way. Either way it doesn't really matter as long as you verify timing one way or another

[@ClumsyGamerGuy]

Can we get more videos of this tuning an cam issue etc. im building TT 01 cobra an not sure i want to run stock ecu forever. I want to learn these tuning

[@MalcolmV8]

For sure, I have some tuning concepts lined up and I plan to tackle some user requests. Cams have been #1 request for sure. There's enough info there to likely get its own video.

[@mikerichardson3017]

Dude what is your background that you know how to do all this stuff? What part of the country do you live in? Would love to have you do this on my car.

[@MalcolmV8]

I’m into electronics, computers, building engines, fabbing etc. just love tinkering with this stuff :) I’m in FL

[@jrguzman1320]

@@MalcolmV8 city in FL? Can you work on my car if I bring you the car and a truck load of parts? :)

[@MalcolmV8]

@@jrguzman1320 lol wish I had the space. I responded with more detail on your other post.

[@rickytate9515]

Hey did you every make the video about flex fuel sensor being added

[@MalcolmV8]

It's mostly made but I have not had a chance to upload much lately. Had a baby recently and working on a big construction / garage project too. I'll get some more videos rolling soon when things calm down a bit.

[@vortecturbo]

​@@MalcolmV8congrats on your family addition!!❤❤❤

[@papajoewil10]

Great video and info. Love this type of content. Do you plan on running knock sensors with the MS3?

[@MalcolmV8]

It was not in my immediate plans on this car but something to consider. I have them installed on the "Zinc" Cobra which is also MS3pro powered and could cover info there if that's what you're looking for?

[@papajoewil10]

@@MalcolmV8 I would love that! All of your info is welcomed and helpful.

[@waffleman2010]

Can you explain the two widebands and trigger wire on options port? Are you setting it up so you can use both the stock O2 and the aftermarket widebands? In the instructions I’m seeing that if connecting a wideband, sensor wire goes to EGO pin then the stock O2s need to be disconnected.

[@MalcolmV8]

Stock narrow bands were removed. Widebands replaced them. Yes you would normally re-use the EGO signal wire from your wideband instead. I however chose to use CAN BUS widebands. It is a far more accurate way to go since the wideband sends it's information to the MS3 over a digital network instead of a varying voltage analog signal.

[@gregoryshelton1358]

I have the MS3 pro PNP and can’t figure out how to delete codes. If you could do a video on that, that would be awesome!

[@MalcolmV8]

What sort of codes are you trying to delete?

[@gregoryshelton1358]

ABS, shift light, and things that I’ve taken off the car. I can use the turnoff feature to help diagnose issues as well.

[@MalcolmV8]

@@gregoryshelton1358 shift light is from the ECU, I didn't think the MS3 PNP supported that, at least I have not seen that light come on. ABS is from the ABS module, not the ECU. Since it requires an ABS tool to service you might have to take to someone else or if you removed your ABS unit what most people do is just remove the bulb from the cluster.

[@scottadkins918]

Did you use the FC3 just for ease of installation? Seems you could done 3 relays for that.

[@MalcolmV8]

I just used it because it was already in the car and the owner of the car wanted to keep it. I agree just wiring up with relays is much easier, at least for me.

[@waffleman2010]

@@MalcolmV8 what relays do you normally use on your cars?

[@MalcolmV8]

@@waffleman2010 depends on the situation. I do like the kind that have an integrated fuse and try and use them where I can. Something like this www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBAO1SA/ or else the weather pack sealed kind or sometimes even just plain automotive relays like this www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-890008

[@scottadkins918]

@@MalcolmV8 can you do a video at some point to show us the wiring on that? it would be interesting to see, it could help us out.

[@MalcolmV8]

@@scottadkins918 I appreciate the idea and will consider that. Thanks

[@782941105]

Do you have problem with A/C? Because after I install the same ECU the A/C clutch does not engage.

[@MalcolmV8]

I haven’t tried AC yet. This car previously had a killer chiller on it and someone removed it. I’m not sure if they forgot to charge the AC or they charged it and it leaked or what the deal is but the AC on the redfire didn’t work to start with. It is something I plan to fix.

[@cobra-svt2004]

Hey Malcom i was wondering if you recommend any tuners that work with that ecu?

[@MalcolmV8]

I don't but DIYAutotune (manufacture of the MS3Pro) has a FB group where you can try asking. It's called "Megasquirt Owner's Club (MSOC)- by AMPEFI / DIYAutoTune".

[@cobra-svt2004]

@MalcolmV8 Thank you very much I will try to do that...thanks for your videos they help a lot!!

[@MalcolmV8]

@@cobra-svt2004 you're welcome, glad they're of use and helping :)

[@MrPaintJob]

Dumb question but do you have a part number for the piston stop?

[@MalcolmV8]

I've had that tool for so many years I cannot remember. Google will turn up countless examples you could get. Just make sure the thread size matches your car which is 14 mm if it's an 03 Cobra.

[@88badstang]

Probably a dumb question, but does the FPDM have to be deleted when running a return system?

[@MalcolmV8]

No it does not, it can be if you want. Look at the chapters on the video, there's a fuel pump activation section where I talk about activating your pumps with a return system.

[@88badstang]

@@MalcolmV8 Appreciate it.

[@tonnysumo9659]

How did you connect the timing light on 4.6

[@MalcolmV8]

Remove the COP cover on the passenger's valve cover and put the induction clamp on the wires going to the #1 cylinder ignition coil.

[@bestmichael1]

Are there any issues with the evap with the ms3 I have a return style fuel hat the car is tt it’s a mach 1 I noticed your name on the svt forms when talking about it not but no solid answers the tank is out because I was putting a cobra baffled tank in I also noticed a lot of fuel smell before. All of my lines are fragola ptfe so i don’t think it’s the lines I’ve been thinking about deleting the Evap (the ms3 isn’t installed yet)

[@MalcolmV8]

If you're having evap issues now the MS3 won't fix that. The MS3 is an off road ECU and does not support evap or other emissions natively however you could wire up the evap's solenoid to a relay and have the ms3 trigger it with some logic such as car speed greater than 25 mph and engine temp greater than 160 or something like that. The idea is the solenoids would be normally closed and no fuel smells in your garage but it would vent the tank for pressure as well as let air in to replace the volume displacement of fuel been used when the vehicle is in use. Or some people just delete the evap but you risk fuel smells when parked in a garage.

[@bestmichael1]

@@MalcolmV8 one thing I did notice is that the plug near the two blue canisters wasn’t plugged in when I dropped the tank I don’t think I noticed any plugs available near it (the hat is a lethal performance division x hat) if that helps I’ve been thinking of deleting it but if it seeing boost pressure since the cars TT I’ll be open to trying to fix it because it was definitely annoying I bet the evap was probably turned off by my tuner before I’ll have to ask Thank you for the help with replying and your videos have helped me a lot

[@MalcolmV8]

@@bestmichael1 sounds like it was likely turned of previously. Glad you find the videos helpful :)

[@bestmichael1]

@@MalcolmV8 yeah going to go find me some fan controllers at the pick and pull this week

[@MalcolmV8]

@@bestmichael1 awesome, best way to go with the fans.

[@SG-nl2uk]

Why the MS3 over the stock ecu? I have a goal of 850rwhp with tvs 2.65 or gen 5 3.0 which ever one will get me that

[@MalcolmV8]

If you're just chasing a number the stock ECU will get you there. The MS3 however is way more feature rich and user friendly for both tuning and data logging. It has a lot of safety features built in such as if air/fuel is out of range anywhere from idle, part throttle driving, WOT or however you configure it. Oil pressure loss, it can take action. Features like closed loop fueling even at WOT using widebands, it can interface with a flex fuel sensor and give you true flex fuel capabilities where fueling and spark adjust automatically on the fly based on your pump gas/E85 mix in the tank. It does not have the RPM limitations of the stock ECU and it also has true traction control and not just a random abrupt spark cut like the stock ECU. The list goes on and on but you get the idea.

[@SG-nl2uk]

@@MalcolmV8 It's not that I'm chasing numbers. It's just all the guys I run with are 900 horsepower or better, So I'm just trying to track down All the right components and I believe with your videos I can get there.

[@MalcolmV8]

@@SG-nl2uk You can definitely get there on the stock ECU, myself and many others have done it. The MS3 is just a far superior platform to do it with a lot more features. So not required by any means but it'll do the job a lot better. Having some safety's in place at those levels is also nice. Even just closed loop fueling at WOT is great. If you run a little lean on a particular day with the stock ECU nothing is done about it. You just simply run lean. However with the MS3 and closed loop fueling at WOT if you ran a little lean one day for what ever reason it would instantly on the fly add some fuel to keep it in check. Just little things like that go a long way. Like I said, not required, but nice.

[@SG-nl2uk]

@@MalcolmV8 I Went to their website and it seemed that they have some options. Anyone in Missouri you know that can tune it Once I select the blower. Leaning towards the gen 5 3.0 on e85.

[@MalcolmV8]

@@SG-nl2uk Not sure but you can contact DIYautotune and they'll let you know what dealers they have in your area which could be possible tuning options.

[@Khalidsvt101]

holly is much better

[@jrguzman1320]

Can you provide Tuning files?

[@MalcolmV8]

The MS3 actually comes with a base map for you to start with. So you’d be all good. Then just adjust according to your application.

[@XyXInc]

You want to install this on my 04 for me? :)

[@MalcolmV8]

Possibly next summer. Kneed deep in projects right now :)

[@XyXInc]

@@MalcolmV8 I'll be back in a years time, my car isn't going anywhere.

[@MalcolmV8]

@@XyXIncsounds good :)