1.5°C Gone Without Climate Intervention - So What's the Plan? - Anni Pokela, Operaatio Arktis

A New Paradigm: Climate Repair
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NO 1.5°C WITHOUT CLIMATE INTERVENTION.
SO, WHAT'S THE PLAN?

[@Cyberpunk_Radio_PBS]

Very factual, data driven, and intellectually honest. Thank you for hosting this discussion on your channel with such an amazing speaker.

[@Cyberpunk_Radio_PBS]

...and if the speaker is you, bravo!!! :)

[@hooplawithbilliesue8143]

I appreciate the optimism. However, this is simply Hopium in action. The time for implementation of real solutions has passed. It is IMHO naive to expect any action from government or the private sector profit machine. 😢

[@Rnankn]

Except that is patently absurd. It can always get worse. We can always work to stop heating, so the future is less terrible. Government and business may do nothing, but are you going to do nothing as your world is stolen? We haven’t even tried a solution yet, and I’d rather try and fail. And when the stakes are this high, we can fight back because the systems they are sacrificing the world far are extremely vulnerable. Enough people, disrupting and obstructing, could bring it all down

[@lv4077]

It won’t matter anyway. The entire hypothesis is nonsense and the solution is even more impossible. Study for five minutes. The required industrialization will take to mine. All of the minerals necessary to make the machines necessary to do something and it won’t work anyway, it’s absolute madness and stupidity. About $10 trillion dollars has been spent worldwide on this hoax and wind and solar accounts for 3% of energy production worldwide. Wood still accounts for 10% so that’ll give you some idea how totally absurd these so-called solutions are.

[@Sjb-on5xt]

@@Rnankn Anything man can do is about as effective as doing a rain dance. Paying more taxes and giving your liberties away to the government works...right?

[@Muddslinger0415]

We are fucked 3c by 2045

[@peterp5099]

If You look at the effects of the climate warming on various countries GDP, then the big winners are Canada, Russia and the Scandinavian countries, but for the USA and for most European countries the climate warming is still a minor win so far. So the strategy of these countries is to pretend to fight climate warming for now, and only to start to fight climate warming in earnest as soon as the effects of further climate warming on the GDP of these countries starts to turn negative.

[@martiansoon9092]

You mean old paradigm is: extinction is unavoidable? We are reaching that level rapidly and no emission cuts are made. record levels in warming, emissions, oil demand and so on. Actions are very much needed, but old paradigm of money making without any realization what that does to the nature and to the people. Our whole economical system avoids all harms to the nature. If we even add the damage to the nature in the costs of products, then we cannot afford most of them. And that is the key point in this paralyzed situation. We have to buy less and we have to buy products that are not harming the environment in a large scale. Our electronics, with one or few years lifespan, is one of the worst in this case. After pandemic we saw that aeroplanes were all full of tourists. Totally avoiding the emissions and harm they make. And often they headed to Mediterraneian where they were hit with too hot conditions, wildfires and even floods. But no, these morons does not understand that their behavior is certainly causing these ever worsening effects (flying is around 10% of total emissions and rising fast, tourism causes lots of extra emissions, waste and is harmful for the local ecosystem).

[@robinandelizabethhill9450]

Talking about "climate repair" should scare us. Humans have had the arrogance to think that we can fix anything, but every time we have tried to "fix" nature, we have made it worse. On the other hand, when we have just left nature alone, we have been surprised at how nature repairs itself. Examples would be the area around Chernobyl that were abandoned after 1986, or how the ozone layer repaired itself when we stopped emitting CFCs. So, the only chance of saving humanity is by stopping burning fossil fuels as quickly as possible. Without that, nothing else matters. Then we have to find some way to remove GHGs, which we don't have now. After that, probably we are best to leave the planet to repair itself, because experience shows that if we try to fix it, we will only make it worse.

[@StGeorge305]

Ah yes, I can’t wait to freeze and starve in the dark.

[@anthonymorris5084]

This is myopic. Humans are incredible problem solvers. Nature Left alone is dangerous. Try going camping without any modern equipment. Nature will kill you at any given opportunity. Humans have made life safer and more livable with each passing decade and we live the most privileged life in history.

[@proudchristian77]

Candles 🕯 🕯 🕯 🕯 🕯 & how heavy are you will tell you how long it will take , I'll go fast cause I'm skinny, cool ! 🫘 & 💝

[@incognitotorpedo42]

"every time" we try to fix nature... And now you're going to tell us about the cane toads in Australia, right? We really haven't tried to "fix nature" very many times, but if you deal with live animals, results are very hard to predict, because they Have SEX! Things can change really quickly when creatures can reproduce. If you do something more simple, like stratospheric sulfate aerosol injection, you're only dealing with physics. If you don't like the results, the aerosols will be gone in two years. You can start very slowly and monitor the results. We need to use our cerebral cortices, not our amygdalas, when considering the problem of climate intervention.

[@Sjb-on5xt]

The arrogance is to believe man can repair or control the climate. The burning of fossil fuels has lifted billions of lives out of poverty and starvation and transformed living standards to a level only the wealthy elites enjoyed in the past. What do you think will happen if FF were stopped?

[@nikxenarios4782]

One very important consideration people seem to either not know about or discount is the ever real Aerosol Masking Effect. Cutting emissions will exacerbate and quicken the heating at this point according to the AME..Humanity needs to increase the albido of the planet in short in my opinion; Mirrors, aerosols, white paint....I don't know!

[@Muddslinger0415]

We are fucked anything we do other than massive carbon capture which isn’t possible. Is just wishful thinking

[@robertsummerfield3386]

Climate engineering programs have been going on and expanding for over 75 years. How is that going so far?

[@alanhat5252]

have they? where? how big? who is running them?

[@Sjb-on5xt]

If ever man comes up with an invention to change the climate, it must be banned. I mean what could go wrong?

[@LilA-zl6tf]

I think we have engineered enough, and here are the results.

[@randyrapaport2806]

1.5C is already gone when using the correct, 1750 pre-industrial baseline.

[@LilA-zl6tf]

Yep. It was handy to change the baseline to a better looking one. We have been cheating ourselves the best we can for all too long.

[@undertow2142]

Imagine putting a glass of ice water outside in the sun. The temp of the water doesn’t change much for a long time but eventually all the ice melts…

[@Sjb-on5xt]

Does the water level change in your glass of ice water, when all the ice melts?

[@PeterTodd]

Yes, do the experiment at home.@@Sjb-on5xt

[@LilA-zl6tf]

That is almost always missing in these talks.... (or the snow cover....)

[@undertow2142]

@@Sjb-on5xt only slightly. Unfortunately there are 100s of feet of sea level rise worth of ice that isn’t already in the water that is set to melt.

[@Sjb-on5xt]

@@undertow2142 about 1 foot a century.

[@martiansoon9092]

Never give up. We can give up when we are dead. And we are dying anyways with or without climate change. Making life better during your lifetime is a really good option that we choose not do while adding even more emissions and other poisons to our neighborhood. Do what you can during your lifetime. Make world a better place while you live.

[@martiansoon9092]

Real world is telling that too.

[@amberazurescale5617]

I disagree to the giving up part. A lot needs to be given up. The mad addiction to unlimited growth, the 1.5° goal, the exaggerated belief in technology, the idea that wealth means consumption. Just to name a few examples.

[@martiansoon9092]

@@amberazurescale5617 You have not read the other things that I said. In video this giving up is another discussion where people are thinking that have gone past the point of no return. My comment was on that. Never give up on trying to do things better. We have to shutdown all fossil burning. Today. And that is only a starting point. BTW we are at 1,5C (monthly), soon we are reaching 1,5C in climitic sense too. We are heading toward 3-4C warmer world. Every 0,1C increase will kill 100 million people. That's why never give up on trying before we are dead.

[@volkerengels5298]

rare insight. thx for posting@@amberazurescale5617

[@john1boggity56]

Professor James Hansen et al. (2023) says the equilibrium climate sensitivity for the amount of CO2 and it's equivalents at the current levels is 10C above pre industrial levels and 4C at 2100. At equilibrium, there would be almost no ice left on the planet. We would actually need to draw down a massive amount of carbon now to avoid a certain extinction. I just don't think we're getting out of this, along with better than half of all species.

[@volkerengels5298]

When we go - all life on earth go. We're running 440 NPP's - ready to explode without maintenance.

[@michaelbacigalupi5734]

why isn’t this going viral? in 3 weeks time less than 1300 views on the world wide web. old news here. been watching Prof Emeritus Guy McPherson for several years now on his Nature Bats Last KZbin channel. His viewership is also extremely low. Human extinction is not a popular subject. McPherson did something extremely well by reading all the peer reviewed papers from climate scientists and collating them to provide an overall understanding of climate change and the impending disaster that’s already happening before our eyes. He hopes his conclusion is incorrect and after 1.5 C the tipping points are baked in. Even the government report from the ultra conservative IPCC states the irreversible effects after exceeding 1.5C. those of us that view this content are so small in number that for some reason we are very well informed or bat shit crazy! who knows?

[@anthonymorris5084]

A lack of ice doesn't cause extinction. No credible scientist is claiming human extinction.

[@geraldfrost4710]

The ECS (Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity) is the amount of warming expected from a doubling of the CO2 in the atmosphere. Current estimates of the climate's long-term response (that means a thousand years, not weather!) vary between 0.9 and 7.1 degrees C, according to scientist's current published numbers. The problem, of course, is that the ocean needs to heat up, and the atmosphere is slow to dump heat into that heat-sink. The uncertainty of the ECS value is like a musician hitting a random note within a few octaves and claiming that the music is settled. The UN stated in 2018 that half of all species on earth would be extinct by 2030. We're halfway there. Doesn't look like that prediction is coming true. It's almost as if they lied. What (if any) are the downsides to making outrageous claims to bolster a narrative?

[@volkerengels5298]

A Wordy Exxon-Bot :))@@geraldfrost4710

[@A3Kr0n]

I've heard people tell us what we need to do for over fifty years now, this isn't new. It's not about giving up, it's about understanding this isn't a problem that can be fixed, but a predicament to be faced.

[@ericgenestvideoclips]

Right. The geoemgineering plan she briefly presents here is a joke. Just enjoy the few moments you have left on the planet; that will be more than enough.

[@geofffriend4161]

Sadly yes

[@TheDoomWizard]

Exactly

[@gmw3083]

Earth is eternal and has no issues dealing with cancerous overgrowths. Civilizations rise and fall. Get it?

[@StGeorge305]

@@gmw3083it’s disgusting that you think civilisation and people are cancerous.

[@roberthornack1692]

We are already well above 2c. when calculating the more than 40 greenhouse gases including water vapor. We have triggered more than 60 self reinforcing feedback loops, & an ice free Arctic Ocean next year will send the latent heat soaring. Drastically reducing emissions will only make matters worse by eliminating the cooling effect of atmospheric aerosols in many of the greenhouse gases in our atmosphere. Civilizations are massive heat generating systems no matter how they are powered. It's time to stop the hopium & prepare for our inevitable extinction. Mother Earth is on hospice. Let the time of mourning begin.

[@arminiuschatti2287]

You may be right.

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

Disease and lack of basic resources will be the issue that most face!

[@anthonymorris5084]

Disease is a poverty issue not a climate issue. Resources are what we use to keep us safe. Meanwhile poverty kills millions, and all climate policies induce greater poverty.

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

Disease is going to be a problem for all of us. It is known as antimicrobial resistance, and antibiotic resistance. All stems from animal agriculture. @@anthonymorris5084

[@anthonymorris5084]

@@northerncoloradotransparen1454 Agreed. But this has nothing to do with climate change. It's also caused by human abuse of anti biotics.

[@bundleofperceptions1397]

Note to Anni Pokela, frozen land does not melt, it thaws. When you take frozen meat out of the freezer, it doesn't melt, does it?

[@richardscathouse]

But I'm a woman; you must listen and believe! 😮😮😮😮

[@bruceb7464]

She is worried about saving the planet. You're worried about the use of a word? Priorities?

[@markledbetter1439]

Bruce, she’s sincere and knowledgeable. She’s also young and limited to the kind of religious thinking (that is to say, certainty) inevitable when you’re not exposed to the thinking of sincere and knowledgeable thinkers from “the other side.” Will she escape the echo chamber as she matures? Maybe. Some do, some don’t. But either way, she will likely continue her activism. Therefore, I think that gently pointing out to her the melt-thaw distinction could serve her in the future. After all, she’s an excellent but non native speaker of English entering a realm of action where English is important.

[@alanhat5252]

It melts. Most of what's frozen is water (usually with trapped gasses).

[@spinoz2319]

In Finnish language they are same word, sulaa. How is your Finnish compare to her English? We only talk English because you can not talk anything else.

[@frankr29]

My proposed plan is the following: 1. Recognize that the Earth is far too warm and must be rapidly cooled. 2. Conceptually split fossil-fuel emissions into GHG releases and aerosol releases. Reason: GHGs warm the Earth and remain in the atmosphere, whereas aerosols cool the Earth and are quickly removed. These two components therefore require distinct measures. 3. Minimize GHG releases through efficiency measures. 4. Optimize aerosol releases to balance their positive cooling and negative human health effects. 5. Implement solar radiation management (SRM) at the scale required. Reason: SRM is the ONLY means we have for rapid global cooling.

[@theroadsnearyou...5088]

It was amongst the pages of the inlay for Belinda Carlisle’s 1989 ‘Runaway Horses’ album I discovered the PETA insert, which stated ‘We have 10 years to save the planet’!

[@Brad-99]

Oil companies just invested billions and billions for the next 50 yrs .

[@farinshore8900]

They told us we have cancer 30 years ago. The only valid intervention now, is to write our will and plan our funeral.

[@Sjb-on5xt]

What evidence is there that CO2 is a thermostat knob to control temperature?

[@TheDoomWizard]

Blah blah we aren't doing anything

[@alanmcrae8594]

Unlike the simplicity of repairing the Ozone Hole which only required changing the refrigerants used in appliances (and propellants in aerosol cans), repairing Climate Change requires the rapid reduction of the primary global energy resource and the simultaneous rapid production & deployment of state-of-the-art renewable technology systems in all sectors where fossil fuels are prevalent. Given the unimaginable trillions of dollars already invested in fossil fuel powered devices, from transportation to heating systems to electricity generation and agriculture, and the dozens of countries just now industrializing their national economies, it is simply inconceivable that humanity can solve the global climate change crisis in time to prevent the crossing of these known tipping points. No wonder that the level of denial & inaction in government, business and consumer sectors is actually a deep seated intuition that resistance is futile. Mitigation will continue to be a massive failure, so local adaptation & societal collapse are the implicit plans that remain in play. Basically, like passengers on the Titanic with the level of water constantly rising, either abandon ship onto something that will float or prepare to go down with the ship. Adaptation is preparing now to survive 2.5 or even 3.5C of global warming in your lifetime. A challenge every bit as daunting as surviving the Ice Age was to our distant ancestors. Very, very difficult, but not impossible...

[@anthonydoyle7370]

The "primary global energy resource" is the sun. Good luck reducing its actions.

[@LilA-zl6tf]

We did not repair the ozone hole, we just stopped it from expanding - for some time.

[@gene4094]

We could split water for energy, as weight/weight it has near equal to gasoline. This splitting would require a quantum reaction. This hypothetical reaction is complex, but I have submitted it to artificial intelligence and the response was validated and stated that I should submit a scientific paper on it.

[@ravenken]

I appreciate the concept of approaching the issue from a different angle but what you are not accounting for is that we live in an interconnected ecosystem. We don't get to pick and choose what we want to 'save'.

[@parrsnipps4495]

This is Oct. 2023 and greenhouse gas emissions still haven't peaked yet, although increases are lowering. So we've got a long way to go to peak, then decline in emissions until we hit net zero, which by the way is 16 billion tons of CO2 annually, which is equal to what plant life on land and in sea sequesters every year. Just in CO2 that means we need to reduce emissions by 24 billion tons a year. But keep this in mind; the biggest 16 container ships emit more CO2 than all the world's passenger cars combined, and there are 90,000 container ships. A Panamax container ship burns 63,000 gallons a day. So all those container ships need to be converted to hydrogen fuel cells. We've got a lot of work to do, so let's get busy. Also, Paul Beckwith in one of his recent videos showed that for 2023, Jan. thru Oct. the world's temperature above pre-industrial was 1.54C. That's an average for the year with 2 months to go, which means we've blown past 1.5C. James Hansen says a big part of the recent temp. increase globally is due to reduced sulphur content shipping fuel, which is reducing dimming, allowing more sunlight to hit oceans, raising water temperature and in turn world temperature. So let's get busy!

[@patrowan7206]

This was well worth watching -- thank you!

[@danhuisjen2092]

And then, nothing happened. Why? Because all these technologies she's prattling about are hopium. There is no carbon capture that doesn't demand a payback of all the energy we got from burning the carbon. Because thermodynamics. That's why. Expect the Limits of Growth models to run their course.

[@alanrobinson2197]

Two well-researched interventions: MCB and SAI. Not proven beyond all doubt, but much quicker than Carbon Drawdown (CO2). We have run out of allotted time (Tipping Points) - where are the politicians?? So are we now desperate? The science for MCB is now 50 years old and uses only sea-water. A careful trial is indicated.

[@alanhat5252]

chucking TLAs around is meaningless, what are you talking about?

[@martiansoon9092]

For ice sheets on thing could save parts of them for a little longer. Having their ocean facing sides covered, so the cold melting water stays in the area and prevents warm water plumes that are one of the main reasons for the large scale melting. The area that needs to be covered is huge. So no small funding or mission can do that. And it becomes harder every year we keep on emitting climate warming gases. It is almost impossible task without the total shutdown of the fossil burning. Also we have alternatives for fossil burning, but hardly any real ways to prevent glaciers melting under ever hotter world. SHUTDOWN the primary cause. Then we may do the alternatives. Yea, emissions and so for climate change has been worsening last 50 years (climate papers on Jimmy Carters desk). Nothing that has real impact on the issue has been done so far.

[@PaulADAigle]

I was leaning more into reflecting the sun (as it does) while preventing the heat from melting the ice. Something simple like strips of reflective aluminum (a simplistic design, but the concept).

[@martiansoon9092]

@@PaulADAigle Making a reflective surface is an option, BUT not for 2,3 million square kilometers that was needed in Antarctica yesterday. Area is just too huge to be covered with manmade solutions (that makes emissions and is most likely poisonous in some amounts). Storing ice and snow can be done in small scale, but not in large. Even permafrost, permanently frozen ground, is thawing around the world. So ground temperatures are rising too high for ice. You may cover some glaciers, but it is hard to even cover one mountain glacier, yet alone all of them. Yearly replacing them after winter snow and surface darkening is a huge task that needs to be done every single year. And even those are not helping when the warmer rains comes and may even melt the permafrost covered tops of the mountains that may slide downhill. The only large scale solution is rapid decline of manmade emissions and along that we need to suck out huge amounts of carbon from our atmosphere. And we don't have that sucking option for the needed scale. And not even talking about how much it would cost. We are losing Alpine glaciers (~40% of Europes water sources), Himalayan glaciers (1-2 billion people rely on those melt waters), Rocky mountains glaciers (ie. Colorado river basin is in dep troubles already), Andies glaciers (ie. one major city is losing its summertime freshwater completely), ... And these are the tiny glaciers compared to Greenland, Arctic sea ice and Antarctica with is surroundng sea ice.

[@PaulADAigle]

@@martiansoon9092 Yeah, I knew it was an early unrealistic idea. Just playing with the early concept. Spreading a huge amount of anything would probably be chemical-like, which could have bad impacts and would be impossible to undo. Laying something like aluminum foil is relatively easy to undo and wouldn't react to the environment. The whole idea would be problematic, but it being thought through might stir a decent idea. Just part of my process.

[@martiansoon9092]

@@PaulADAigle It's not the first on this kind of proposal, ie. white balls or glass beans have been suggested. Also painting roofs white and painting roads white... So there are loads of similar ideas. But main problem is these proposals are just too tine compared to the problem. Also: Mirrors/clouds in space, in lagrange point between Earth and sun. Costs are high, spreading needs to be done all the time, what does this mean for remaining ecosystems?, what happens when this shade fluctuates away, ... Not really a good solution. We may need some geoengineering solution. Perhaps middle ocean seaweed farms... (Near coasts even these may produce too much carbon to the air...) There is no great geoengineering solution, that helps. We need to shutdown all fossil burning, sooner the better.

[@PaulADAigle]

@@martiansoon9092 Agreed. Shutting down fossil fuel burning should be primary. Everything else is putting a bandaid on someone being cut in half. That's a simple but hard political solution. The first step with that is simply getting people to acknowledge that. Stupidity is blocking the way, but oil companies using horrendous methods to keep that from happening. Just pure greed. We can play with innovative concepts all day long, but the obvious elephant just stomps on everything.

[@hannachumakova1086]

Note to Anni: The Great Barrier Reef which contains 10% of world's corals has been at the record high volume of corals for the last two years. "Last year’s record-breaking result was also embarrassing to the GBR science institutions. They had proclaimed that the reef had just been devastated by four unprecedented hot water bleaching events in 2016, 2017, 2020 and 2022 - but then it had more coral than ever." - Peter Ridd, The Australian

[@PeterTodd]

Peter Ridd is a physicist, not a marine biologist. Suggest you ask a plumber for advice on cancer. Close enough?

[@johnhenry3536]

Note to idiot: Try reading some real science quotes. If you still then believe that the Great Barrier Reef has recovered, I've got a bridge you might be interested in.

[@markschuette3770]

we would be fools (and a lot more painful) to let this get so bad that we need "climate repair"! and we have the even larger issue of the 6th great extinction which we also need to repair since we are dependant on health/stable ecosystems.

[@wendyburpee1671]

Going to share this will all of my elected reps. Speaker is 22 years old, of the first generation we are destroying our world for...

[@user-gk8gg1wk5l]

As we all need to have a say, what mechanisms are there, what forum to do so?

[@incognitotorpedo42]

This was better than I expected it to be.

[@robertdavies82]

losing the arctic ice also means yet more over fishing of fish stocks.

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

And the Elephant in the room is? Animal Agriculture?

[@anabolicamaranth7140]

It’s definitely not THE elephant in the room. More like a cow in the room.

[@volkerengels5298]

Civilization collapse is the catastrophic thing that happens anyway. We overestimate the stability of industrialized nations by far. When civilization collapses - 440 NPP's explode.

[@galafly]

And overpopulation.

[@anthonymorris5084]

@@galafly Nailed it. Over population is at the foundation of almost every single threat facing humanity and nature. The climate movement doesn't care.

[@richardscathouse]

Eat the rich

[@Muddslinger0415]

The last time the atmosphere had 500 ppm all the ice was gone, we are at 420 ppm now and we are having rapid melting! We are fuck 3c by 2045 we must stop all economic and industrial growth a lot will die but it does have to be everything

[@jonsmythe7392]

I feel sorry for the people that live there lives in fear, what a shame. I was scared as a kid in the 70's that the world was going to freeze. Then we were going to run out of oil by 2000. Then a hole in the ozone layer was the scare in 90's. if your tired of being scared all the time, I recommend watching Dr. Patrick Moore. One of the founding members of Green Peace. The world is full of abundance. Be blessed.

[@geraldfrost4710]

During the medieval warm period, it was warmer than it is now. Polar bears survived just fine. There are tree stumps (carbon dated) a hundred miles north of the present-day northern tree line. Grapes grew in England, and for 200 years were competitive with French wines; not warm enough for grapes now. The MWP has been edited out of the record because it didn't fit the narrative. Evidence ignored does not make reality different. It certainly isn't science-based observation. If you look at the New York tide gauge, it shows the annual increase in sea level has been the same since 1850, which is as far back as it goes. There are a bumps and dips, but the darn thing is linear, which means there is no acceleration. To get acceleration, they change from marks on a stick (harbormasters, who have no sense of humor), to space based measurement, which is now an inch off ground-based measurement. Eventually, someone is going to notice. (It has been, but the news is slow to be released to the public.) All that aside, there are serious problems of pollution that should be addressed. CO2 isn't one of them.

[@incognitotorpedo42]

The denialists are here with their usual arguments that have been debunked a million times. Dude, if you were scared in the 70's that the world was going to freeze, you had bad judgment. I was scared that we were going to be nuked. Now that I've lived a long time, I've seen the effects of climate change. The climate has literally changed in my lifetime. Patrick Moore is a denialist. Pay him no mind.

[@alanhat5252]

@@geraldfrost4710 BS

[@Muddslinger0415]

You both are idiots

[@Osoyoos-Wine-Tasting]

Geoengineering has already been deployed for decades … how’s that going?

[@christopherpike9464]

Exactly what geoengineering are your referring to? Are you referring to putting Co2 into the atmosophere?

[@Osoyoos-Wine-Tasting]

@@christopherpike9464 kzbin.info/www/bejne/laHdZYpmg6aWobcsi=T4lEFBb0vYQn2L4_

[@georgepoitras3502]

The plan is to try to live cleaner. There is no way to change the Global Temp. Our current Co2 emmissions will still be up there in 50 years.

[@thomasreis4949]

talking about protecting ice sheet glaciers from warm water, i try to discuss bubble barriers on twitter for several years. these bubble walls are already used to keep cold water out of harbors and lower underwater sound pollution.

[@peterp5099]

The plan is to waste strength on actions like blocking people on their way to work. It helps to feel like doing something important, while in truth accomplishing nothing relevant.

[@leskuzyk2425]

Good idea. We learned before that polar bears were way too far away to have any impact on people. Now if we get geoengineering going way off in the arctic ocean people won't even notice. As climate repair happens.

[@thevindictive6145]

Never had kids because I know we will come to this. I can leave without any concerns😅. Well done humanity.

[@reuireuiop0]

Thought, if the well thinking humans quit having kids, what kinda people we'll be the generations we be left with ? all overly optimistic folk running to the canyon like happy lemmings ?

[@PaulADAigle]

Avoid chemicals as much as possible. There are almost always unintended repercussions.

[@richardscathouse]

Got cancer from chemicals in food and cigarettes? The answer. More Chemicals! (Chemotherapy) trust no one! 😢

[@PaulADAigle]

@@richardscathouse Yeah, specific chemical usage has specific results. Again, never truly understanding of all of it, but the benefits outweigh the risks (usually in cases like this). Cigarettes (for instance) bring a specific emotional/physical benefit that we as people choose to ignore the possible problems with. The fact that it was introduced by a greedy company to make money is the actual failure, and the users (and tangentials) lose out.

[@TGenoRock]

Co2 is not a chemical in the sense alluded to. Co2 is a natural product that is also produced by processes that are highly beneficial to humanity. This video is doom and gloom, mixed with wokeness that is dangerous to anybody who buys this fear porn. "Collapse", "ice gone", "what's the plan?".. highly unscientific. "Damage, death. Sorrow".. simply absurd - modernity, enabled by energy, has brought prosperity on a scale the is destiny. "Assured disaster".. very tricky to predict the future, mam. Good luck with that.. who wants to live with your chicken little view of the world?

[@romanbrandle319]

We need to do the right thing and that means everything possible despite the fact that we will probably fail, because it is likely that it is already too late so let's have a go. I would suggest that we jail all the guilty parties, as we all will die from CC anyway but at least we got justice.

[@andrewjackson7785]

The IPCC latest report doesn’t say there is a climate crisis. The only crisis is the way the media reports it, and the politicians interpret it, which eventually costs the tax payers trillions.

[@philipoakley5498]

Chasing the can down the road? All too easy to be seduced by the push to 'repair', forgetting the (stated) absolute necessity to do the existing interventions. I.e. doing more, spending 'more', not a change of focus, a return to alleged economic balance of risks.

[@a.randomjack6661]

We repair. you all pay. Yes, I know the climate is... broken, but I also understand how capitalism works. Capitalism, aka the addiction to profits 🤑 is what broke the climate in the first place.

[@plamenabrigova933]

You mean, it's more important to fight capitalism, than to fight climate crisis?

[@widescreen8964]

What is money but debt?

[@anabolicamaranth7140]

A CO2 molecule emitted from a socialist smokestack does not have a heat trapping effect.

[@crisismanagement]

There will be an announcement of peace. Consumption such as on the occasions of Christmas will be a thing of the past. Then the elephant in the room, human goverment, will need to be replaced. No more selfishness and greed. With far-sighted wisdom, an educational process has alredy been in place.

[@myownchannel247]

Pure propaganda

[@Rnankn]

Propaganda is “information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause”. So yes, it is, and pure indeed.

[@Muddslinger0415]

Both of you are idiots

[@davidreinker5600]

"30 years ago they told us to stop emitting carbon dioxide and methane into the air, or else". I don't recall anyone ever saying anything of the sort. This kind of hyperbole only serves to confuse and obfuscate the entire issue.

[@dshepherd107]

Well I don't know where you were, but it was all over the news. It's been talked about for decades. This isn't hyperbole. I won't have to prove it to you. You just need to live another 7-8 yrs, then you'll know.

[@davidreinker5600]

@@dshepherd107 No one ever said we had to stop emitting carbon dioxide because that would mean we would all have to stop breathing.

[@radman1136]

People die. So do civilizations. So do all other species. No exceptions. With or without interventions. Even if people were willing, and they're not, there is no alternative choice being offered. I don't think we make it much further. I read we have already exceeded 1.5°C mean average last June at least for a few days. Good Luck, be well.

[@adobeone6138]

A very well delivered speech. I hope it leads to cooperative action, before it is to late, to repair the damage that has been done.

[@J.M.-nb4gw]

Well it's already far too late to fix things with the climate we have already gone past 1.5 degrees Celsius and going to 2 to 3 and then 4 degrees Celsius very quickly. It's already game over and just a matter of how long most experts I know say we have less than 10 years before total ecological and economic collapse

[@Osoyoos-Wine-Tasting]

We are at 3.5+ degrees C above baseline. Massive Geoengineering is causing more damage than anticipated. Oops!

[@kendanzan8088]

@@J.M.-nb4gw if what you all are saying is true, wouldn’t people be panicking right now?? I mean, if we were certain we had 10 years left, I think there would be much more of a public outcry..

[@SueFerreira75]

@@kendanzan8088 Denial is one of Mankind's greatest characteristics.

[@J.M.-nb4gw]

@@kendanzan8088 I guarantee you that 99% of the humans on the planet have no idea how bad it's going to get and how quickly it's all going to shit! #DONTLOOKUP

[@Philippositivity]

Not all comedies or spoofs, make me fall asleep or make me laugh so much, when re-watching it. Why have the Maldives built so many Airports recently. Let’s hope & pray for some warming.

[@diamondbackecological]

The idiocy is strong here

[@Muddslinger0415]

What are you referring to

[@alanrobbo6980]

Do you have any Scientific Data ❓

[@rajshekhar1147]

Madam, pls read history of climate change, it's happening always since climate formed on earth. So pls don't panic and waste ur time.

[@thevindictive6145]

Wow our first victim of climate change. Your brain is cooked, you need to see a doctor immediately.

[@macraghnaill3553]

So true, The Minoan /Roman/Medieval Warm periods were all warmer than present, all followed by cold periods, both lasting a few hundred years, the present warm period is the coldest in this interglacial. Some of the Viking land on Greenland is now under ice, glaciers have expended and covered some of their land.

[@thevindictive6145]

@@macraghnaill3553 please provide the link from a reputable source.

[@gmw3083]

​@thevindictive6145 look it up yourself. Or is your bwain already too cooked?

[@thevindictive6145]

@@gmw3083 don't mind if I don't.

[@goatlord7310]

10,000 years ago the sahara desert was forest. 14,000 to 250,000 years ago over half of the earth's surface was ice. The earth has had periods in time in which there was 0% water ice across the planet. Western, modern civilisations are NOT the biggest producers of emissions. It is the undeveloped world that is producing the majority of carbon emissions so that they can reach a point of being a developed country. If you want to reduce emissions then feel free to go over to the undeveloped countries and tell them that they need to die, because that is what removing their ability to produce carbon emissions will do. It's perfectly fine for the already developed world to reduce emissions, exactly the thing we HAVE done, but our renewable energy, which also relies on carbon emissions to create and run, does not have the capability of meeting the energy needs of both the developed and developing world. Everything is fine. Stop fear mongering with this climate crap. If our survival is so important and you actually cared about the well being of others you'd sit down and shut up and let the developing world continue what they are doing in order to join the developed world. We can not, globally, reduce emissions until the entire world is modernised and developed.

[@mikecairncross4848]

As much as I admire your motive . The comparison between co2 and cancer is so far wide of the mark that I could not really take this seriously. co2 is the life giving gas of nearly all life on planet earth, our doubling of atmospheric co2 may be one of the only decent things humans have done for the biosphere. In the last 2000 years we have seen periods of warming and cooling. As a general rule vulcanism is the cause of cooling. One of the reasons for our warming is that the air is clean due to the settling of volcanic dust. Once the dust settles the earth recieves more radiation from the sun. Co2 is an essential gas , it is a trace gas and a rare gas. However calling it a green house gas is misleading. It is blanket gas. We dont live in a greenhouse when we see the stars at night our air rises and cools. If we reduced atmospheric co2 what would happen?. We would see a huge drop in harvests . Consider the dinosaurs , we can tell from their size that there was plenty to eat it was warmer and the co2 levels nearly ten times more. We still have ice on the planet so we are still in the ice age. With the tilt of the earth our climate changes and many other factors come into play . Targeting co2 as we have , is not only anti green but anti human. Climate change was one of the drivers of the industrial revolution. Climate change was refered to in the old testament. Our change to oil and gas saved our great whales from extinction. Would you rather live in warm times with lots of co2 or cooler times with falling co2. Our emissions do play a part. One of the books that I used to teach from called 'man the adapter' from the earliest days of farming people had to adapt. It would appear you want to reverse or slow down the system. Earth is a dynamic planet with continual change and it has a master, the sun and a follower the moon. We are still learning about the sun earth relationship are you aware of the role of cosmic and solar radiation on cloud formation? People blame co2 for anything bad ,this so the humans feel guilty?. The two gases that are more important than co2 are water vapour and methane in terms of holding heat. peace

[@geraldfrost4710]

CO2 is plant food! The ECS (Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity) is the amount of warming expected from a doubling of the CO2 in the atmosphere. Current estimates of the climate's long-term response (that means a thousand years, not weather!) vary between 0.9 and 7.1 degrees C, according to scientist's current published numbers. The problem, of course, is that the ocean needs to heat up, and the atmosphere is slow to dump heat into that heat-sink. The uncertainty of the ECS value is like a musician hitting a random note within a few octaves and claiming that the music is settled. Fun fact: the primary method of cooling the surface of the earth is convection, not radiation. Warm air rises, clouds form, rain falls. The water, as it condenses to form clouds, emits heat to the upper atmosphere, where it then radiates into space. The process is chaotic, which is hard (or impossible) to model. Thunderstorms are heat engines; they pump heat energy off the surface and emit it into the upper atmosphere.

[@janklaas6885]

fool

[@mikecairncross4848]

A fool eh ? I am in receipt of an excellent Scottish education thanks . Study history, do not ignore it . We are living in one of the best periods. Over a 100 yrs ago astronomers discovered that Venus had high levels of co2 and methane, the fear being that we would become like Venus. Venus is closer to our star and is hotter than earth plus we have a moon which continually interacts with our atmosphere and oceans so that isnt a runner. From our geological past we have found that the co2 levels in the dinosaur times were 6,000 ppm we have not yet breached 500ppm. we can see by their size one thing , there was lots to eat. The more co2 the more life has an opportunity. As to climate change , the reason the Israelites ended up in Egypt because there was a drought ,climate change is nothing new. This fool used to be paid well to teach others.peace

[@johnhenry3536]

When I read idiotic responses like mikecairncross4848, I just shake my head. Irrelevant, false comparison, deceptive and non-factual. You desperately need an education in climate science, because you definitely sound like an idiot. Your false comparison are beyond stupid. Your understanding of geophysical processes and even geologic time is astounding. Did you graduate high school? Maybe take a few dozen refresher course in science, biology, geology, climatology and come back here and astound us with your new knowledge, instead of your childish false comparisons. You flat-out ignore science, reality and facts well known. Not going to ignore that, because it is deceptive and pretty damned stupid.

[@ozachar]

"Change" is not a "catastrophy". This would be synonymous to stating that warming is a catastrophy during the ice age, with a mile high ice sheet on top of the auditorium where this presentation was made. Change is change. The problem is not for nature (it adaots and remains natural). It is purely a human prosperity issue of adaptation to change.

[@avatarofenlightenment386]

i look forward to the end of the Pleistocene ice age, which is ending, for the time being, until the next surge of ice advancing.

[@imthebeeps]

I’ve lost IQ today.

[@richardscathouse]

No. Doubt I cut her off after 6min 😢

[@gordonellis3420]

Control the weather .... lol, totally deluded !

[@geraldfrost4710]

It's an old paradigm. The Aztecs would remove people's hearts to make the weather better. They did this to people by the tens of thousands a year. Witches used to be burned at the stake for cooking the weather. Currently, weather is adjusted by taking money from people who use carbon-based fuel. None seem to have worked, but maybe if we try harder...

[@forcingclimateinfo7014]

Shea is talking about tec we don't have and we know don't work. But why does she not know the ocean will not stop 🛑 🛑 Warming. Is she smoking hopiume pipe so much shea forgotten about atmospheric particles, we cant just stop the engine we have made it will just speed up all. When she think we can change our climate with the same stuff we have done since the modern industrial evolution 1750 with coal and oil all the other 36 gases something) that we need when we have non other way. I do agree we should pump the breaks doe!. Peace and thanks from Sweden!!

[@TheLRider]

We've failed miserably to do what we needed to do over the last 20 or 30 years when it would have been easy. Now we're suggesting doing something that we have no idea how to do it, and hope that that will succeed. The reality is that people will move and migrate to where they think it will be safer. Cooler, less populated, away from rising sea levels etc. It will cause horrendous civil unrest only controlled by what sort of Govts? Nothing that exists today certainly. And I'm not talking about racial unrest it will be "wealthy" Western people moving to safer Western areas, eg. Texas to New England. How do we think that that will pan out? say 10/15 million o'r more on the move. They won't be able to sell their property who'd want to move to Texas? with limited water, if any etc etc. How, do we even start to cope with this social upheaval. Answer is we can't. Add into the mix central Africa and more moving North to Northern Europe.. Racial tensions are pretty bad already. It will be a good idea to just do what? Answers please here.

[@richardscathouse]

Fifty years ago, it wouldn't have been easy. 😮

[@Muddslinger0415]

Your are exactly right society collapse think about when lake Meade and Pyle are at dead pool and people start migrating from out west that will be enough to cause major chaos

[@Rnankn]

Stop making the problem worse. Stop causing damage for trivial reasons. Otherwise, none of the other stuff matters.

[@Johnnystiletto-ri8ht]

This has been going on since before ww2...

[@bondo6506]

interesting theory, devoid if facts,....

[@anthonymorris5084]

They don't care about facts. They invent narratives.

[@cm9748]

did we ever take a vote of all the worlds populations to ask ; Do you want a hotter, or a colder climate ?

[@ravenken]

You really don't understand what happens to food production in a changing climate. Take a look around the world at what is going on right now. Go hold your 'vote'. SMH.

[@cm9748]

@@ravenken What don't I understand ? You literally say nothing .wouldn't want climate change to damage Al Gore's 8.9 million dollar beach house ! I bet Al Gore like all his neighbors also have home insurance , lol.

[@ravenken]

@@cm9748 I'm sorry. I should not engage with stupid. My fault.

[@cm9748]

@@ravenken Insurance companies wouldn't insure any buildings near water. Like , no one would insure Manhattan if there was a chance that it would be underwater . You may be smarter then someone, but I doubt you're smarter then a major financial institutions actuary division. Bro , just consider that . Of course the climate changes, but obviously not the way you think it does.

[@ravenken]

@@cm9748 You obviously don't follow the news. Why don't you look up Re=insurance companies. THe people that insure insurance companies. Take a look at what their data says. And yes, insurance companies are getting out of the property business. It's been in the news for over a year. I guess not on the news you watch. I'm not going to engage with you anymore since you are not aware.. The only reason I ever stop by these comment sections is just to throw a little clarity. Not to educate. If you don't want to know, you are just like the majority of people out there. Don't feel bad and enjoy yourself while you can. Remember. The village fool is the happiest person and that is much better place to be than when I am.

[@nigelpigeon968]

Gave up after 4 minutes. Just another "worse than we thought" lecture.

[@markgalbraith4655]

its simple, no1 in their right mind will take responsibility bcaz they will be 4eva remembered as the 1s that failed...its too late now...thats obvious..

[@kbmblizz1940]

We got nothing, to be honest 😭.

[@richardchurchill5181]

The "else" she claims is not the calamity claimed. Worse, if you look at the natural cycles that include our exit from the most recent glaciation, this really isn't something we can prove is the result of carbon dioxide emissions ... because it was and is predictable from the behavior of climate as an ice age is exited. The geological record does not support claims about carbon dioxide being intimately linked to temperature. Even the new chair of the IPCC has stated that climate alarmism is uncalled for. Try reading the bodies of the IPCC reports (I have) and you will find out that climate alarmism is in fact uncalled for and not an appropriate response.

[@alanhat5252]

BS

[@richardchurchill5181]

@@alanhat5252 Learn to deal with facts. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2GzgmSZhNF2gKs

[@fatelamore]

Every intervention with nature has brought regret. Get off your delusional horse. Have any unanswered questions? Ask Hank Johnson.

[@volkerengels5298]

Give up! Surrender to your depression and dark premonitions. Do nothing. Don't buy anything - don't travel. You're depressed anyway - you just resist it for a while. Stop consuming.

[@user-co7qs7yq7n]

- We live in the same climate as it was 5 million years ago and the cancer will go away - I have an explanation regarding the cause of the climate change and global warming, it is the travel of the universe to the deep past since May 10, 2010. Each day starting May 10, 2010 takes us 1000 years to the past of the universe. Today May 22, 2024 the state of our universe is the same as it was 5 million and 126 thousand years ago. On october 13, 2026 the state of our universe will be at the point 6 million years in the past. On june 04, 2051 the state of our universe will be at the point 15 million years in the past. On june 28, 2092 the state of our universe will be at the point 30 million years in the past. On april 02, 2147 the state of our universe will be at the point 50 million years in the past. The result is that the universe is heading back to the point where it started and today we live in the same climate as it was 5 million years ago. Mohamed BOUHAMIDA, teacher of mathematics and a researcher in number theory.

[@stephenspreckley8219]

She might be a good friend with Al Gore.....We have been hearing this for 50 years, so what is historically new?

[@lesbrattain6864]

Nothing will happen. The rich and powerful who could make a difference feel they will be the last to suffer and they are probably right. Stay in denial. Its easier then changing my life stile to save some poor people? Forget it! There are too many of them anyway.

[@snowjoe43]

👍

[@nonearlylove]

The Earth will eventually repair itself..! But in time for Us..? (Cringe)..!

[@glennmitchell9107]

A climate catastrophist selling climate catastrophe.

[@gmw3083]

Earth is eternal and has no issues dealing with cancerous overgrowths. Civilizations rise and fall. Get it?

[@richardscathouse]

Nothing is eternal. I'm looking forward to the next mini-nova due soon about every 12k years😅

[@christopherpike9464]

Good talk. But it's a bit ridiculous that you are pretending there is an audience in front of you.

[@arminiuschatti2287]

The plan is, “Do nothing until it’s too late.” Why? Greedy people are making a profit and aren’t about to change their wealth gathering strategies.

[@anthonymorris5084]

What's the plan? Obviously the status quo. Endlessly shriek "Just you wait, it's going to get bad, you'll see" repeat decade after decade in perpetuity.

[@arthurpriestley8103]

Too slow talker ! Boring !!!!

[@standingbear998]

the new stand up comedy

[@richardscathouse]

Quick everyone! STOP BREATHING! 😂😂😂 no more C02! 😮

[@Muddslinger0415]

You truly are an idiot

[@proudchristian77]

Repent of our misdeeds & get ready for u know who , 👣👑💒💝

[@juliogibbs7119]

Promo-SM 🤩

[@AppleSpar]

arctic sea ice is not experiencing any losses greater than normal seasonal changes.

[@danrubin4506]

Nonsense.

[@AppleSpar]

@@danrubin4506 indeed! sea ice loss is full of nonsense data