1 MOA All Day Challenge @PolenarTactical @Bloke @ForgottenWeapons

[@rickinmi]

"From the shoulder" wth is that??? I don't think he's referring to the Offhand position (some call it standing). I think he meant not bolted into a sled. There was also some grubbing about rear bags...

[@frozeniceman6319]

Nice video and attempt! I am definitely a fan of 1 ten 10 shot group per ammo and no flier removal. I believe when they say from the shoulder, they mean no lead sleds. You can still shoot off the bench. Minute mark 7:50 in the Bloke rules. For the weight limit, going by the video it seems their intention was a affordable out of the box rifle + optic. The harder part is it sounds like warm up shots aren't allowed due to the 1 moa all day on demand part. A coldbore shot should open it up. I am also not a fan of vendors posting gun accuracy results with 3rd party accessories not sold with the Rifle (Suppressor, different muzzle device etc) with the exception of Optics, Bipod, and/or Lead Sled to reduce user error.

[@ParrotTactical]

Thank you! And the clarification is helpful. Makes sense on the cold bore- exactly what I was avoiding haha :) The accessories are a good call out. In the world of the “weapon system” you’re right that manufacturers shouldn’t be testing a complete “system” of others parts, but just their part of the equation as much as can be controlled (optic / bipod or sled obviously musts.)

[@PolenarTactical]

I think 3 shots are allowed to warm the barrel. Either way rules are there to be broken :D The idea is to engage people and start a debate. 1 MOA is not that easy or common if you actually have to do it with a grouping that is statistically relevant

[@ParrotTactical]

@@PolenarTactical amen! Glad you guys started this. I just saw the guy behind Q (Honey Badger etc) say 3rds wasn’t enough but 5 was… still a lot of disagreement in the industry. Hope you guys get tons of entries!

[@PolenarTactical]

@@ParrotTactical we're getting a lot of comments but not that many entries - i suspect when people try it they see it's hard and just don't post the results when if they fail. 5 shots is still much much better than 3 rounds - i once got 3 rounds almost in the same hole with my AK, that's a 4 MOA rifle 😅 Regarding 5 shots, my CZ 600 Trail managed to print two 5 shot groups that were just under 1 MOA but every time i tried it with 10 rounds - and believe me, Bloke and i shot lots of groupings with that rifle, i just wasn't having it. Best 10 round grouping from me an Bloke was 1.4 MOA with 77gn HPBT. You cant get lucky with a 10 round grouping. If the rifle has a certain spread it will show up. Regarding the industry standard, i'm waiting for 9hole reviews to chime in. I think we're all open to discussion and interesting ideas. One would be to do a 10 round grouping and discard the worst "flier". This could give some leeway to the test and account for possible shooter's error. The other option would be 11 rounds grouping and only count the best 10 I didnt think about this before but i like your 10 minutes time limitation - that would make it reasonable time for barrel to not get too hot, too quickly, but still perfectly repeatable by any shooter at any range. We should discuss the options, voter for the most reasonable one, name it and start using it. This would open up a much better system for review and evaluation of rifles and their accuracy. Best thing is that if we tested all rifles by the same standard, we could then compare them apples to apples

[@ParrotTactical]

@@PolenarTactical I hope more people enter. My first two burner groups with steel case weren’t measured but were something like 4 or 5 Moa. The second group with good ammo was 1.2. It’s ok to fail… a big piece of this is exposing 1moa as a really really high standard. If shooters at your and blokes level aren’t doing it with the 600 trail and good ammo that says a lot. 9HR, the kings of practical accuracy, will be great to weigh in. I’m betting they like 10 shots and removing a flyer to stay on brand 😎 but for real… more opinions that should hold a lot of weight. Glad the time limit was worth thinking about! One more thought that might be too controversial… you, bloke, 9hr, forgotten weapons… all half-way around the world from each other. I’m in the US and should be biased, but isn’t it a little silly to stick to 1-inch imperial? Would it make more sense to say 3cm or even 5cm? Or set a standard based off of some practical use of you need to be *this* accurate for most applications? Or maybe the thought is that a lot of civilian consumers are in the US and we’re pretty stubborn with our “freedom units”…

[@ronws2007]

I don't think fouling shots are disallowed. Other than the weight limit, which may be hard to enforce because nearly everyone modifies the tool, regardless of initial weight at purchase, the hard and fast rule is ten shots. No do overs, no mulligans, no "I pulled that so it doesn't count." Can you, with your rifle, shoot 1 MOA all day, IOW, for at least ten consecutive shots? Watch the Texas Plinking challenge. Newest episode 16. 1 MOA at 1k yards. 10 shots, no do overs or oopsies. The wind humbles all, regardless of how much money and weight was thrown into the rifle.

[@danieldz7906]

5 shots group was good standard.

[@PolenarTactical]

Not really, it eas just much much better that 3 rounds