Wow: this step drill is priceless. I eventually got the twirling motion of Martin's swing but still had difficulty initiating the swing. This is the icing on the cake. No One comes near Martin Ayers knowledge in regards to the golf swing.
@k.b.38327 ай бұрын
Thanks for having Martin on the channel. He definitely has the golf swing figured out. I look forward to more.
@GNTSullivan7 ай бұрын
I do not understand all of the subtleties of what Martin is saying, but I do know I have been finding the sweet spot on my irons more consistently than I ever have. The driver still needs some work. Now I am wondering how much I can improve. I have watched most of the older content and love it. Thank you for bringing back the relevance of these concepts. I love it when he says "it is available to you". Thank you Martin and Brendan.
@JonSmith-c6d7 ай бұрын
I really believe that Martin has found a very elegant solution to a problem that nobody else has. There are millions of us that are left frustrated by conventional instruction and those with the time embark on a quest to find a way that makes sense to them. Apart from the glaring discrepancies and contradictions with science, I think Martin has found a way that makes sense to him - his Ya La Bam if you will. It might also be why his concept is so difficult to explain. I salute anybody that finds a way to make this game easier but for me there is nothing here that I can implement. The search continues.
@Tigersmundo7 ай бұрын
*Club FORCES is now brought to life under your control. Feel free to indulge in endless playtime with it, every single day. Thank you, Martin.*
@brendanchorley73987 ай бұрын
After watching the BBG videos & several of Martin's with JH, I think I had the lightbulb moment by doing the drill at the end of this video. Not easy at first, but surprisingly quick for me to do it after a few attempts. For the first time in a long while, my swing was definitely more upright rather than around, and I felt the 'stretch' that JH talks about in the video where Martin introduces him to the steering wheel. Once at the top, I could sense the club almost float (balance itself) and then drop of its own accord gathering speed to a really good impact, which I guess is the force that Martin describes of the club acting on the player. I think I get it - you have to create as much momentum as possible to get the club to the (very) top, and after that you are golden! Will definitely pursue this further.
@MartinAyersGolf7 ай бұрын
You nailed it. Let it keep teaching you more of what you’ve already learned. Great job 👍🏻
@colfun22287 ай бұрын
I’m trying to give Martin the benefit of the doubt and my confusion. He is not easy to understand and although perhaps brilliant in his own way unable to simply explain his concept. Perhaps YOU need to be the interpreter and explainer. I think it would be helpful for you to explain why this is different and how it’s different. I found Dr Kwons stuff and your other guests easy to understand. Why is this so hard. Martin never seems to be able to define ‘it’. Very intriguing and interesting and I remain hopeful and optimistic!!
@DC-ln8wp7 ай бұрын
The golf swing has been autodigested and regurgitated a billion ways. Keep studying this and understand it- it’s hard to understand because it’s actually original and works. Just like the workings of any useful invention
@longevity-essentials7 ай бұрын
If there was ever an instructor on your channel I’d like to work with it’d be Martin … I’ve watched a tonne of his stuff now and really sense a change in how the swing and club feel + I video my swing more than anyone and I can see changes. Most importantly ball striking is improving. Thanks guys!
@BEBETTERGOLF7 ай бұрын
That would be cool
@j.mccarthy30087 ай бұрын
I am still listening, sort of!! I have always believed “if you take a golf lesson you should get better immediately”. I have done, and still do, Dr. Kwon’s step drill on the tee box before each tee shot. It helps A LOT. In the “why the hell not” category I will give it a whirl. This really seems like TOO MUCH talk and not much ACTION. To me.
@NoelIrl247 ай бұрын
I have watched your videos with martin and some of his videos on youtube. Clearly he has a phenomenal swing himself. I didn't understand his lengthy explanations, after this video, i think the guy is a genius! Fantastic content ,thanks Brendon
@Melted_Butter7 ай бұрын
Yep definitely needs to come up with better ways to explain and communicate his take on the swing!
@brendanchorley73987 ай бұрын
The information is definitely there. It's a feeling that you have to get to yourself. After years of frustration & stop/starts with 'position golf', I totally get why Martin doesn't want to teach his swing in that way - it just would not work!@@Melted_Butter
@aramavakian7 ай бұрын
@MartinAyersGolf I found your JH videos over a year ago and gave it a try then but for some reason could not figure it out then. This time with this video really went out to the range and got a bucket of balls to see what I could figure out. What I found was hitting only my 7, 8 irons and my 5 hybrid I honestly can say I was making center contact as long as I stayed within and did not let the club get out of sequence ie; releasing to soon or coming over the top. I have so many questions as I have truly seen the amazing ball flight and contact sound this helped me accomplish. Am I supposed to feel the club being pushed straight out away from me or am I to feel the club being pulled to the right of me then up in the back swing?
@myaccount34027 ай бұрын
2:58 an "unbalanced " club...Is Off Radius...It's in your hands...The Handle must maintain a consistent radius with your center mass....
@SaintKimbo7 ай бұрын
What is their to understand? You just set your intention, align your alignment, keep your containment, execute the twirl, allow the club to take over, then dump, while counter balancing throughout, and don't forget the vector. The only swing key thought you need, is to imagine that you are building a door, not just going through it. Simple, a child could do it.
@jordanelmquist32027 ай бұрын
Well this finally does make some sense. The throwing the club out at the ball and turning causes the club to travel around the body no different than pushing the handle down and turning. When the club is in balance/on plane you don’t feel the weight. This shift/step towards the ball makes a bit more sense as with Dr.Kwon’s drill steeping towards target I would often be shifted ahead of the ball and the pressure wouldn’t translate. I know he later prescribed the shurn for better rhythm but this rotation makes it a bit more free floating and keeps the club head and pressure in balance. Will have to check to see the difference in ground forces.
@myaccount34027 ай бұрын
I been seeing hogans swing the past couple days and looking at the consistency of his Radius. His left arm is like a lever with precision in the radius of the circle being created in relation to his center mass. Synchronicity that we are looking at him less than a minute into this one... The handle has a consistent radius with the center of mass. If the arms disconnect from the mass, you lose radius.... Hips collapse, lose radius....
@robinmeng7 ай бұрын
Superb!!! Best of best of best!
@mrkipling38417 ай бұрын
Excellent!!
@samanthagames10237 ай бұрын
The only thing I seem to understand about this is that he doesn't want you to sway from side to side but keep your body still and swing around it - but surely he'd just say that if it's what he meant....? Every time Brendon thinks he's grasped what Martin's talking about Martin shoots him down in flames "No. No" 🤣🤣
@garre717 ай бұрын
This is so good!⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
@stevelang31097 ай бұрын
Somewhere between Mickey Wright and Julius Boros... that's my fav swinging framework/process still working after 64 yrs...
@s3gts7 ай бұрын
Why did the ball go there? It's where the face was pointed when you hit it. A swimmer will swim on a straight line if he/she balances their forces. This in part is why Martin likes his Step Drill. It's Direct on a line!
@TheOnlyStonemason7 ай бұрын
Interesting…Darrell Klassen advocates for the same step drill. Also, the late David Lee of Gravity golf had a drill where the club was pushed straight up in front of you, then turn, drop and strike the ball.
@myaccount34027 ай бұрын
12:05 watch him point to center of his chest....Radius--a specified distance from a center in all directions.... Your mass is underneath this point, . The mass is the engine...the motor driving the radial motions...Chest, arms, clu
@SwingLowLeft7 ай бұрын
That push away move, base from apex I believe he’s calling it now, seems very evident as Jack Nicklaus starts his motion.
@BEBETTERGOLF7 ай бұрын
Yeah he says all greats do it, you just see it in some but under the hood they all do it. It’s like they take the slack out of the swing before it, and that sets it on the left side with some tension between the body turn and the clubhead.
@SwingLowLeft7 ай бұрын
@@BEBETTERGOLF I like Rory’s trigger for this. Little left knee extension, push away a hair with the club and start back with the lower body. Ought to work nicely with you step trigger you adopted from Dr. Kwon. Martin have me a trigger of pulling the club directly into me once. Still use it for putting. Unweights the club and gets it moving. Look forward to more content.
@aau2407 ай бұрын
Oh the priceless irony of the Lee yawning at 1.20. "decisions mid swing" do you really think an amateur is capable of consciously altering the swing in the middle of a 1 to 1.5 second event? The way he dismisses the club data from Tiger's swing is symptomatic of the fact he thinks he already "knows" and doesnt need to prove anything. No matter how much Martin thinks the swing is a continuous motion, the club head must stop, even if its only for a fraction of a second, in order to change direction from the back swing to the forward swing. As much as Martin thinks he is lifting the club head up and down when he is rehearsing the drill, that's not what he actually does when he performs the drill . Even when you do the drill Brendan it seem like just a convoluted way of performing some of Dr Kwon's drills.
@Dave-jb2md7 ай бұрын
Why must the clubhead stop? The clubhead moves in a loop. I.e one continuous motion. It will never go up, stop, then go back down on the exact same plane.
@aau2407 ай бұрын
@@Dave-jb2md when you throw a ball in the air does it ever stop before it starts falling or is it a continuous motion or if you are reversing a car does it ever stop when you finally decide to drive forward? The real point is that none of this theorising is helpful, even the drills are illogical, why would you step to the ball when the actual direction you want to hit it is perpendicular to that direction? Whenever someone says the don't need measurements or data to tell them what they "know" you can bet they are not willing to listen to truth.
@Dave-jb2md7 ай бұрын
I think you are comparing pears with apples and we’ll have to agree to disagree
@aau2407 ай бұрын
@@Dave-jb2md sounds good
@Dave-jb2md7 ай бұрын
If you want to see what I mean about the loop. Christo Garcia of my swing evolution loves to show a trace of the hand path. He likes the loop to be clockwise, others like it counter clockwise. Whatever floats your boat.
@wmk39537 ай бұрын
Interesting stuff. Not all instruction is for everyone. This appears to be random confusion. Thanks for presenting and thank the presenter. A bit too abstract for me.though.
@swardmusic7 ай бұрын
Especially all shafts built for d2- d3 only. Good luck to longer wrist to floor golfers needing longer clubs lol
@Ibizassini7 ай бұрын
be interesting in understanding the step drill in more details - the baton made sense, im sure the step drill does to just not evident...
@mackmyragolfklubbstugan39327 ай бұрын
Good work !!!!
@BEBETTERGOLF7 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@HolyGrailOfGolf7 ай бұрын
You're getting closer ...
@HolyGrailOfGolf7 ай бұрын
@@martynzl I didn't mean "physically" getting closer what I meant is Brandon and Martin are getting closer to figuring out the real solution to the golf swing.
@Simeon-the-Magnificent7 ай бұрын
@@HolyGrailOfGolfcloser to what you already know?
@HolyGrailOfGolf7 ай бұрын
@@Simeon-the-Magnificent Well, let's say the reality of what the golf swing really is.
@Melted_Butter7 ай бұрын
Everyone thinks they have “the” answer
@garre717 ай бұрын
At the end of video you did not push away forward as Martin did with the hands and the club... just a little.. That little tension..and the last step is more of a step..not a followtrough with right foot. That is how i see the Martin do the drill..😊
@Ericksonbellgolf7 ай бұрын
I'm getting more convinced the conscious mind can't really understand the golf swing. You need to set it in motion properly and than be reactive to the club and the task. One thing I got a lot from Martin is that if you have a motion that works then you just need to figure out where to stand. Most instruction has been about building motion from a pre determined set up. You don't aim your shoulders or feet or whatever. you aim your motion and that is individual.
@BEBETTERGOLF7 ай бұрын
Yeah. After 20 years of research I think Mac O’grafy came to the same conclusion. He can really tweak set up for a certain player (bp, stance, alignment, grip, neck tilt, etc) to make a certain player hit any shot. It’s pretty cool to see. But without him there people can’t get into a set up that detailed and appropriate
@Ericksonbellgolf7 ай бұрын
@BEBETTERGOLF i think once you have the understanding that set up is fit to motion rather than the other way around you at least have a chance to become consistent because your tuning into your own body instead of trying to direct it which I think is the big flaw in almost all instruction.
@freowho99742 ай бұрын
But then the golf pro can't sell alignment sticks!!!
@mako11347 ай бұрын
I’ve tried to understand all these videos And all his videos And i still have absolutely no idea what he’s trying to teach. Surely something so simple shouldn’t be so hard to understand 😂 You need to meet up and break down what he’s trying to teach in a packet the rest of the world can understand
@timshumate37107 ай бұрын
My favorite part of this whole saga are the spurts when Brandon acts as if he has any more of an idea than the rest of us what in god’s green earth this bloke is talkin about. Or anyone else on the planet for that matter. However, I must admit that I am looking forward to seeing goobs on the driving range doing the reverse happy gilmore this summer
@Amiga55897 ай бұрын
The yawn and body reactions by Lee sums it all up
@rubenmartinez86597 ай бұрын
I saw that
@cdunne16207 ай бұрын
.. that’s unfair wee man, people yawn when they are tired and didn’t get enough sleep. It’s nothing to do with what you are implying
@lageronimo80127 ай бұрын
Huh? Convolution on steroids. Kamala Harris explanation of the golf swing with a better vocabulary.
@soupybread39127 ай бұрын
I notice similarities with Martin’s swing theories and Dan Martin’s. Makes me wonder how Martin would respond to Dan’s PRO trainer.
@carstenbahnson18487 ай бұрын
Can you ask him how Hidedeki keeps one direction with his pause?
@cdunne16207 ай бұрын
Well in that step drill it would be entirely possible to pause before you make the step. It would be a disruption but not fatal
@BEBETTERGOLF7 ай бұрын
Jose and Colin Morawa both keep going in the same direction. They just move slowly and build the tension slowly in the transition.
@carstenbahnson18487 ай бұрын
@@martynzl😜
@carstenbahnson18487 ай бұрын
12:10 timestamp talking about the drawing. What happens when folded over? Isn’t there a “precession” of something that is rotating in one direction? Like a gyroscope? Where does that vector go?
@brendanchorley73987 ай бұрын
See my post earlier. I think it has something to do with an individual's tempo & timing. When I do it right, it feels to me like the club becomes almost weightless at the top and pauses itself for a split second before dropping (shallowing itself), and then everything else becomes instinctive. Your body type & height might have something to do with this!?
@godsdozer7 ай бұрын
Ive tried listening to this................just can't
@rubenmartinez86597 ай бұрын
I really want to understand him too ,but I cant
@cdunne16207 ай бұрын
.. yeah they could do better than a hand drawing on a sheet of paper. Nowadays it wouldn’t be that difficult to create cartoon type animations to demonstrate what you are trying to convey. It’s like you have this fantastic theory of the proper technique but you don’t quite have the motivation and patience to distill it down to its core, it’s not simple though in fairness
@guitar19507 ай бұрын
You'd think he'd get the message from all us confused watchers! Get someone who understands Martin that can re-phrase it so we get it!
@Mahalo637 ай бұрын
I get the point but wonder why Martin is not throwing his club upward when he do his drill. I suppose Dr Kwon's step drill first and then Martin's.
@aau2407 ай бұрын
Because "feel" isn't real , its the same with all his drills, he never incorporates what he says you should do in the drill in his actual swings.
@Mahalo637 ай бұрын
@@aau240 Yes. That's what I meant. And that means while Martin is a gteat coach, he does not understand what he is actually doing.
@thomasrichardson-ev1wp7 ай бұрын
This swing is easier to hit because his irons are 7 degrees flat making the around the swing easier he couldn’t hit that same shot with a standard or upright lie angle.
@patcheszimmerman38427 ай бұрын
MARTIN. in the video, you posed the question “what does it mean to have an unbalanced club in your hands?” and recommended to ask any instructor “what does it do to you?” you answered your own question with the answer “that it screws you right up” would it be fair to say that this is a rather vague answer? would it be fair to say that this is a silly answer? how about this; could you please define what an “unbalanced club” is? specifically, if you will
@MartinAyersGolf7 ай бұрын
Yes. An unbalanced club is when the forces of the clubs motion are swinging in a direction that you are not expecting, are not prepared for. So whatever you’re doing is not in sync with the club. This wouldn’t be a problem if the club simply did your bidding at all times (which is how most instruction tends to presume it does), but it does not.
@MartinAyersGolf7 ай бұрын
It’s vague only in that the specific “what it does to you” depends on when and how it becomes unbalanced. So no way to answer definitively. Silly? I’m not joking around. If you take it that way that’s fine. Have at it.
@GolfPlexity7 ай бұрын
If Yoda gave golf lessons..
@charlesking33847 ай бұрын
Brendan, what he’s talking about can be summed up in two statements. Do you want to know?
@forrestgardener89067 ай бұрын
I like the guys who produce an almost immediate improvement in Brendon's ball striking. This is like watching a snake oil salesman in action.
@MartinAyersGolf7 ай бұрын
Brendon hasn’t shown you the action following these drills has he? No.
@JohnSimon-ue1tt7 ай бұрын
After all of Brandon's immediate improvements produced over the years from the best out there he is still looking.
@ag3587 ай бұрын
Just went outside to try this drill and hit the ball with seven iron, I didn't have any trouble hitting it. What was the purpose, is this for beginners or to make you realize something, I'll have to rewatch the video, he seems to try to convey his idea but frankly you guys look confused. I learned as an adult watching Bobby Jones video and reading everything and everyone. I have become proficient with my golf and learned how to score. I'm curious what martin is teaching. Maybe this is too short to get his message.
@BEBETTERGOLF7 ай бұрын
You should feel the ground horses flowing through your whole body, but in a straight line, it should feel really easy and powerful, but it is not an easy to do drill at all. I’m surprised you were able to do it easy not be using the whole chain.
@ag3587 ай бұрын
@@BEBETTERGOLF balance in the golf swing is important.
@ag3587 ай бұрын
@@BEBETTERGOLF yes, there is a stretch from you foot through the shoulders at top of swing then at stretch at conclusions. I used to hit it off one foot or the other ala AJ bonner and started to work on balance in my swing, that's when I really felt I had a dependable swing that held up. I definitely wasn't criticizing martin, he just seemed to not find the right words to relay his message which in golf is extremely hard.sorry pros clowned you, I like your journey, I did one myself and always look to get better. I'd like to see more of the importance of distance control with all clubs, once you have that you can score. Sharpen short game and you can score when your off on shots. Swing well .
@mrchitlin62557 ай бұрын
Why in the world are you wasting your time with this guy. Un comprehendible gibberish. He’s talking to an audience of one, himself. Maybe the guy on the right
@mr555harv7 ай бұрын
Too many words.
@nanidaddy325067 ай бұрын
WTH kinda drawing was that lol
@SwingLowLeft7 ай бұрын
I believe that was something to do with Martin’s idea of a hammer throw being swing above your head and then the golf swing being that action “folded over.” Could be wrong on that.
@BEBETTERGOLF7 ай бұрын
@@SwingLowLeft yeah. It’s just the 2 ends of the chain. The feet and clubhead. At address that is folded over