10-8 Performance Lab, Episode 94: Staccato C (2024)

[@Quality_Guru]

Great content - I was not aware of the mag changes. It’s worth noting that a lot of influencers are recommending Bul Armory but rarely mention or downplay the 1 year warranty. Whereas Staccato has a lifetime warranty. That is a HUGE difference!

[@justinblower7598]

Good to see you releasing another one, excellent information as always.

[@torpedo58]

Sure am glad to see you doing another YT video!!

[@mvangils410]

Thank you Hilton! Great information. I still REALLY want the OG original Staccato C DPO. I have the C2 and I love it but I really want that single stack for CCW. Again, thank you! God bless! Be safe! 🤙🪖👮🙏🇺🇲

[@coryjanko]

Solid! I probably won’t be getting one, but I appreciate your insight on this.

[@freethinkingamerican80]

Just picked up a CS last week, needed another 9mm gun as I currently only had my EDC. Took my Acro P2 off my APC9K as it was available and I didnt have to shell out $600+ for a red dot. I am really digging the CS now, so far so good and I think I will enjoy it for some time to come.

[@rockylindgren5885]

It's always great to see another video from 108 and the big thank you Hilton for always imparting such wonderful knowledge. You truly do the best 1911 and 2011 reviews out there and I learned so much from watching your videos and getting your 1911 Duty tune series

[@HFSswfl]

Just picked up almost the identical C to yours and freaking love it so far! Great detailed review!

[@mdx9286]

Great review. Definitely silenced any concerning thoughts I had about my Staccato C purchase.

[@BoxerBullies]

This was the review I was waiting for.

[@bernardhayes4459]

Ive been studying this pistol on Stacco’s website. Thanks for your review. I love your channel

[@austinscott2577]

Great video. I am also intrigued by the large 17rd grip frame. Like a 2011 with a mullet.

[@KenCasey]

Great overview. Appreciate the level-headed assessment.

[@GBGuns]

I know your reviews are always real, but I still feel compelled to thank you for some real talk about a Stacatto. All those influencer "I gots me a Stacatto" reviews really turned me off to the brand.

[@rockylindgren5885]

Yeah I'll agree with that and a lot of it's because they really don't understand the nuts and bolts of the inner workings says to speak

[@leftyo9589]

yup, so sad 97% of youtubers are nothing but shills. watch their vids and see what your eyes see, but their words mean nothing.

[@thelastmiddleclass2490]

It's EXACTLY like Daniel Defense. Yes they are a good rifle. However, when a Geissele Super Duty costs so much less, it's not even a question. I love my Staccatos, I'm glad they are approved for duty use, but not every Glock shooter needs to have one.

[@GBGuns]

@kandrew6011 yes, and was entertained by the number of "influencers" who took one for review but didn't understand the basics of running a 1911

[@ArmeroPR]

Same! This is why I turn to 10-8 not just for my favorite 1911 parts but the reviews are always real. If a gun doesn’t run right, Hilton will expose it. His testing exposes flaws in parts as a whole. Not some BS dunking a gun in caca or something

[@unclefreedom213]

I've shot staccatos, sTi , Atlas, nighthawk but don't own one. This is a stellar and well informed video

[@trapperjohn8508]

Oof, just picked up a DWX Compact optics ready. Appreciate the video.

[@mooktemas6800]

I traded my staccato C2 for the DWX compact OR. It’s a sweet gun. But I’m really thinking about getting the new staccato C. How do you like it so far?

[@trapperjohn8508]

@@mooktemas6800 The DWX is nice, but I'm not really excited about it atm. I'm soured by lack of parts/mag availability and zero communication from Dan Wesson pisses me off. I'd like to have hands on the New C or Bul EDC to compare.

[@mooktemas6800]

@@trapperjohn8508 I agree. Support is really bad.

[@greganderson1989]

Very good video. Looking forward to mine being delivered.

[@ghostg8187]

Thanks for making this video.

[@rikt1541]

🙏thank you for sharing your knowledge with us 🙏

[@jamesstuart7886]

Thanks

[@cletustheslackjawedyokel6083]

I’ve only recently become interested in buying one of these and just got to put a few rounds through one at a local gun shop that had a sales event where the Staccato guys had a table. You did a nice job explaining the differences between the different magazines (legacy .38 Super / 9mm vs newer 16 round 9mm and the recently introduced 15/17 round 9mm). The Staccato website doesn’t really do a very good job explaining the differences and even going to the section that sells magazines didn’t clear up my confusion. I didn’t realize the 16 round mags were also compatible, but superseded. I’ve heard about you and had seen gun sights and parts with your brand, nice to see you have a KZbin channel. I look forward to watching some reruns and your new videos.

[@g1mpster]

Great review. Appreciate the no-BS content.

[@eli_escoto_]

You’re awesome bro thanks

[@nobodytraining]

Thanks for the review! You had mentioned that your older mags weren’t reliably locking the slide back. I’d be interested in hearing the cause of that. Subtle change in follower design, weaker spring vs the new improved version, etc. Thanks for the video!

[@RetARMYjohn]

It’s available today with the long grip! I just ordered! Fyi, check the site. Today is the day!

[@aren8798]

First time I've seen your videos. Great quality and content!

[@leftyo9589]

nice riff!

[@oscarraymond6353]

That thing was snapping like hell

[@cloggedpitot1]

I always thought that about the CS but everyone seems to love them. Ive considered the C but sweet mother the price. Still unsure if its worth the increase over a G19 for ccw.

[@sumterame]

That’s actually what concerned me as well! Looked to be pretty snappy. Just as snappy as my CS.

[@chadwickhodulik2311]

Thats What I was JUST Thinking What the?? MY CS Doesn't even snap like That !!! Am I Missing Something Here ???

[@marianodeocampo5569]

Maybe his grip? I dunno, looks snappy. Bul armory tac pro or even a SA prodigy 4.25 comp shoots flatter than that. Just an expensive Carry pistol while I’m poor and just carry a Glock cause I’d rather lose a $500 pistol than a $2000+ one..

[@Con2288]

I was wondering if you were gonna do a follow up video using the C with the full size grip?

[@kylehill4437]

Thank you

[@Duda4711]

Any idea as to why the follower on those magazines extends beyond the lips of the magazine tube? I had one that extended 2-3 mm above the lip and as a consequence the slide would get caught and not close on an empty magazine. Staccato promptly replaced that magazine but I noticed that all CS and C magazines extend beyond the lip which it is something that I have never seen on double stack magazines of any brand.

[@rt1326]

I really like your review format, subscribed.

[@dennisl4000]

Looks great. But, I am not sure if the improvements are worth the cost of up grading from my C2.

[@PkwyDrive13]

Not at all

[@bryancbailey]

I have the same thought

[@p996c4s]

I don’t get it. The new C weighs 1oz more than the C2 bare and is either .1” shorter (15 rd) or .3” taller (17 rd) than the C2. So why change from a C2 to a C? If you want 17rds in the C2, just change the follower to an Apollo +1 AND you get to use all those mags that you have.

[@StevePeterson13]

@@p996c4sanyone changing their grip to the Apollo 3D printed grip is foolish. That grip is trash! It’s the worst part of the pistol and the first thing I changed out.

[@BoxerBullies]

Hilton any plans on making base pads to allow the full-size 17 round C mags in the compact C/CS? Not sure if this is possible or not. Thx

[@jaythompson8150]

I have a C2 and an original model C. That being said, I’m looking forward to adding a new C.

[@jbcr3033]

Can we see a comparison in split times etc between a G19 and the Staccato C? Im curious what we get for the difference in price.

[@Rubeless]

It’s obvious which will be easier to achieve better results. There is no way you can compare a $500 gun to a $2500 gun, but it’s not about the money.

[@cliffbarnhouse4913]

Damn You! Just ordered one, LOL.

[@anyoneanygun210]

I've never done a slow feed test but good idea. I can only see my Ruger 57 having an issue lol

[@TKsw191145]

Sold

[@chucky503]

How’s the recoil on this new C compared to the C2? I love how my C2 shoots but I had to get rid of the CS as I felt it was too snappy for me.

[@fearnonebutone4977]

Has anyone made a video comparing the C and the C2? Would be nice to see them discussed and compared. Especially for those who have the C2 currently and are thinking of buying the C.

[@markcromeyer1652]

Would love to see a c2 vs C

[@PkwyDrive13]

Literally only a 1/10th inch difference in the barrel... basically no difference.

[@markcromeyer1652]

@@PkwyDrive13 the grip texture is like the CS which is better and Im not sure if the external extractor is it better then the internal one But for me what i dont like is all the other mags i have for the C2 and the P are now useless and staccato mags are pricey

[@bryancbailey]

@@markcromeyer1652the internal extractor on the C2 vs the external extractor on the 2024 C is what I’m interested in understanding… both my C2 and P have the internal extractor… spoke with a Staccato rep to ask about this change… really didn’t get much info other than “look at the P and how many people depend their life on that weapon…”

[@StevePeterson13]

@@PkwyDrive13 This is completely inaccurate. Yes, the barrel is .1” longer on the C than the C2. The C2 has a larger grip circumference due to the magazine. The C has a smaller grip circumference because the magazine is 9mm specific now. The C2 has a traditional internal extractor. The C has an external extractor. The C weighs less than the C2. So there are a lot of differences and I agree that a comparison would be informative for those of us with a C2 considering purchasing the new C.

[@marianodeocampo5569]

Og 2011 mags too vs cs styled mags. C- It’s thinner grip vs c2 - thinker grip due to using the normal 2011 mag.

[@DB12531]

Great review as always. Do you have any experience with the new BulArmory 2011?

[@PkwyDrive13]

I'd buy new Bul over Staccato right now. Only thing Staccato does better is DLC. Bul Armory is as good if not better in all other ways. For cheaper too

[@DB12531]

@PkwyDrive13 thanks for your input. I love the new ported BulArmory

[@Rubeless]

Not true. His opinion is based on cost only.

[@PkwyDrive13]

@@Rubeless how do you know what my opinion is based on? Makes no sense…I have had both pistols and my opinion is based on my experience using both. Cost has nothing to do with it

[@28_babyshark]

Does Staccato have any plans to make a steel frame 5-inch barrel model like Bul Armory offer? A threaded barrel with a comp and have the rail set flush with the comp will be great. Also the extra weight will be welcome.

[@BigSam63]

Staccato already makes a steel framed, 5inch gun. Their XC model.

[@28_babyshark]

@@BigSam63 Ported and with a comp?

[@Stoney_AKA_James]

I just wish that Staccato still made their P model in 45 ACP.

[@tylariasworld2410]

Is there a magwell that adds a quarter inch to the grip ? How much length does the full size C grip add beyond the compact size C grip? Thanks

[@JonDinapoli]

I have been on the fence on which model to get. I think this is it.

[@yudaliu725]

Hilton/10-8 Performance do you have any thoughts, with your background in law enforcement, on the recent commotion regarding the drop safety (or lack of) of the Staccatos? Thanks.

[@Rubeless]

It’s a 70 series 1911 design.

[@M1911jln]

Exactly, it is a Series 70 style action, so it is not drop safe. It doesn’t have a firing pin block. The only thing that keeps the firing pin off the primer is the firing pin retaining spring. If you drop the gun on its muzzle, the gun stops when it hits the floor, but the firing pin has inertia and it wants to keep going. So if you drop it from a high enough height, the inertia of the firing pin will be enough to overcome the force of the firing pin spring, and the gun will fire. Hilton tested this more than 15 years ago. It only took less than 5’ for a Series 70 to discharge. You can increase the required height for the gun to discharge by using a lighter titanium firing pin (which has less inertia) and an extra strength firing pin retaining spring. The lighter firing pin and stronger retaining spring will improve the drop safety but won’t eliminate the problem - this is all simply physics. The strength of the retaining spring is fixed, but the inertia is proportional to the height of the drop. So no matter how strong the spring, you will always be able to overcome it by increasing the height of the drop.

[@yudaliu725]

@@M1911jln I understand. Given his knowledge and background I'm asking his thoughts on this type of firearm in a duty or edc use. Clearly series 70 1911s have been in serious use for awhile and anecdotally there has been very few ADs due to drops... anecdotally I've heard/read more about accidental ADs due to striker fired pistols without a manual/external safety, yet they are widely adopted by law enforcement agencies and civilians and no one bats an eye.

[@M1911jln]

@@yudaliu725Considering the frequency of physical struggles that police get into, I would not choose a gun that it is not drop safe as a duty handgun. I use and have carried handguns which are not drop safe, but I’m not a police officer so my likelihood of getting into a physical struggle is significantly lower. But that is just my 2 cents.

[@slb_clip]

Would these new slim C grip modules fit on a Staccato P slide? A video on this would be cool.

[@assassassin187]

Thats a good question.

[@davidpenrosejr3698]

Someone stuck a CS on a P and used CS mags and it ran.

[@artimla492]

Would it worth the wait to get the C with the full size grip or would it be good to go to get the C and just grab the longer mags with a 10-8 baseplate (eventually) to go with the compact grip?

[@Rubeless]

You need to make that decision.

[@ArtofHunter]

I'll be getting one of these as well. How long is the full size vs this compact grip? Say is the compact G19 length or longer? That's what I can't really decide on.

[@MrTjones1987]

Holding out for the full size grip module 🤞🏾

[@Ryan92999]

It’s on there website. Just customize the c and choose full size grips

[@MrTjones1987]

@@Ryan92999 I seen that, I'm just concerned because I've heard of potential lead times when ordering straight from them

[@MrTjones1987]

@@Ryan92999 just checked again and it's a 60-90 day lead time now smh

[@davidpenrosejr3698]

Exactly, you can order it but probably won't see it until November.

[@Rubeless]

Not everything is like amazon next day. You weren’t buying one regardless

[@jonmartinson6830]

I think at the least it looks very aesthetically pleasing, the slide and grip are about the same length.

[@Philly1958]

Thoughts on lack of drop safety

[@fearnonebutone4977]

Do you prefer this over the C2?

[@mixmastamd]

When they first announced this they said it was going to be 16 or 18 mag sizes. Have you heard as to why they dropped in size. Was it unreliable? My cs hasn’t had problems with the 16 rounders

[@andreandrews6237]

It uses 16 on the compact grin, 18 if you use the standard grip

[@quinlangauna3702]

What is your opinion on 10mm 1911’s?

[@Rubeless]

Waste of money. 10 is for people that don’t practice, they just tell people 10 is better.

[@deusvult6531]

If you want one, get one. Great round for carrying when out in the wilderness..

[@VegasVaron]

Okay Hilton, if you can only choose one, “original” grail (i.e. P) or “small” grail?

[@SoPa738]

which size grip do you recommend?

[@Rubeless]

If you don’t know, you should not be buying one. One isn’t better than the other.

[@rikt1541]

is the trigger reach shorter compare to the c2 ?

[@BigSam63]

Yes, smaller grip circumference

[@rikt1541]

@@BigSam63thank you👍

[@davidpenrosejr3698]

Have you shot the C against the P?

[@truesf345]

“Not released at the time of filming” flex 😂

[@jimbobborg22]

I have an original STI Staccato C, it retailed for (IIRC) $1600. The new C retails for over $2600. So what does that extra $ik get me? An optic cut slide, 5 more rounds per magazine, a heavier trigger, and no included holster. I've actually handled both my C and the new C back to back. I will not be trading my old C in. Nice gun, though.

[@Rooster-q3x]

The P is my do all be all gun.

[@ThisHandleIsTaken1]

That “flush fit” magazine doesnt seem very flush fit. I get making it slimmer, but it seems longer for the same capacity. Will need to see side by sides to see if it is worth it to switch out my current C2. Also, could they have made that naming convention more confusing?? Just call it something different- I mean, there are 23 other letters in the alphabet they could have used LOL!

[@edwardallangabor850]

I am surprised you described the CS as so tiring to shoot?

[@TheRancor53]

Appreciate the in depth reviews- your review of the Dan Wesson steered me away from them for the one piece barrel ramp which most people miss-your positive review of the MIM TRP demonstrated that forged doesn’t always mean better 👍🏼

[@Rubeless]

Bad decision on steering away from DW because of one person’s opinion.

[@TheRancor53]

@@Rubelessthe testing sample was pretty robust- 20 stoppages and failure over 1000 rds is pretty bad. The 1 piece ramp on the barrel just doesn’t work great with several types of ammo. Only 3 stops with Springfield.

[@jayphillips368]

Got a C2, a P, and a Wilson EDC X9, now I gotta get one of these My wallet is gonna hate me.

[@rayCtay]

Thanks for the review. I'm truly torn between the C and CS as my next purchase. My primary use would be for concealed EDC. I do care about shootability and fatigue, but doubtful this purchase would be a heavy range day gun, again because conceal carry is my primary focus. I had been leaning towards the CS, but I'm fearful I'll have severe FOMO passing on the C. My onky real concern with the C is fear the 4" barrel not being comfortable enough for appendix carry. Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated!

[@DvrDwn]

Wish I could afford a Staccato 😢

[@damiantorres2655]

Sounds like your hand strength is the issue. I do want the c as well, but longer grip

[@DanDannyDanielleBob]

I want a version like my XC but with a carry magwell and 80 series drop safe trigger and pinned grip safety

[@mikeg7ga922]

The C model grip is too small, I will wait for the new grip, I don’t think is worth it if you own C2 model. Cs and P have the perfect grip for me

[@PkwyDrive13]

So innovative! "Let's add 1/10th of an inch to the barrel, and call it the best all around pistol!" Wonder how many people will fall for that. No different to be honest. I still love Staccato but not impressed with this one.

[@marcusedcofficial]

Its half an inch. And the option for a full size frame. I personally carry a compact grip and 4" barrel so i would pick this over the CS. You dont need both, unless you get the cs and the full size C. Then you have a carry gun with the CS and a home defense/competition/range gun with the C that take the same mags. Its about versatility. Not "tricking" anyone into thinking they "need" this. However, to someone that doesnt have a staccatto like myself, the C is the most versatile option

[@tw4143]

✔️✅️

[@BrandonD]

Over hyped Owned a P and c2. Now it’s just a fad to own a staccato. There are better alternatives out there and I prefer Wilson SFX or oddly enough the Apollo 11 compact. Also staccatos business model has turned to trash. To be an influencer and try to review them it’s a pain and to be a dealer you have to sell 1000s of units or be a law enforcement agency. Their marketing is pretty snobby and it’s just not a good look. Thank you for a good honest review though

[@bryancbailey]

Absolutely love my Wilson EDCX9 and SFX9!

[@ThotsAndPrayers]

Whatever u say hipster

[@nateperryshootingsports6201]

Seems oversprung

[@cam.actual]

Damnit! I bought, not one, but two C2s right before this "C" came out, and I much prefer the smaller grip/mag... I thought I was done buying 2011s, I guess not.

[@assassassin187]

You didnt like the CS?

[@silverman69ish]

The staccato c that you did the review on is this the compact or the one with the longer grip? And due you prefer this one better then you’re staccato p model?

[@silverman69ish]

The staccato c that you did the review on is this the compact or the one with the longer grip? And due you prefer this one better then you’re staccato p model?