10 big changes from N3 to N4

Corvus Belli has updated their title game - Infinity. Evolving into a new edition there have been some big changes from the previous set of rules, N3, to the current and most modern ruleset, N4.
This new edition has brought in a raft of changes. In this video, I've summarised the 10 biggest ones so you can get up to speed with the changes to see what's different between the two editions of Infinity the game.
Have I missed any that you feel I should have included? What do you think of the new changes? Check out the video then jump into the comments to leave your thoughts below.

[@2WARDEN2]

This actually makes me want to play the game. The nested rules literally ruined wanting to play the game for me: I could be playing any other game system without having to deep dive into a wiki on my phone just because my special guy was shot at.

[@the_infinitygamer]

I was exactly the same. If N4 had been as nested as N3 I probably would have bailed 😂 this is so much better for new players.

[@timhyland6834]

Very helpful as a new comer. Must have watched it a half dozen times while painting

[@the_infinitygamer]

So glad it was helpful thank you for watching!!

[@AKARazorback]

Holy shit so the best gaming system got easier, better and more cinematic?! Damn these are AWESOME changes.

[@the_infinitygamer]

YUP! Making a great game even better!

[@arrik1]

Not... easier...

[@RobCattivelli]

Top Video Man! As usual, content and production are of very high quality!

[@the_infinitygamer]

Thanks Rob! Really appreciate the feedback and positive comments 😃

[@CrossFireX32v6]

Very good summary. its an awesome update. Managed to get a few games in of N4 and yea i have to agree, its far easier to do stuff now as well as remembering what does what and units are a lot tougher which is nicer. Loving the paint scheme of your terrain also, very nice!

[@the_infinitygamer]

Thank you! First time painting terrain 😉. Yeah I’m a huge fan of N4, better than N3 in my limited opinion!

[@rowurboatgently4873]

One more thing about Dodge: The requirements have extended from just LoF to also include ZoC This allows you to ARO-Dodge to a more favorable fireingposition when the enemy tries to sneak up on you.

[@the_infinitygamer]

Much easier than the change facing thingy in N3. I like new dodge.

[@rowurboatgently4873]

Totally! Makes more sense to try to go for cover _before_ the enemy rounds a corner (unless they have Stealth). Or even better, position yourself directly in LoF so that the enemy can't pie slice you.

[@the_infinitygamer]

That’s always the dream but it’s amazing how often facing isn’t done right and the easy kills are given away.

[@MrAskarani]

Thx for the vid! And damm the old cover was good.

[@the_infinitygamer]

The cover is so good!

[@changboyz]

Great video. I’m with you, I like all the changes. I got into infinity to play HI and TAGs.

[@the_infinitygamer]

It’s going to be great to see more big units on the table! I can’t wait for the Zeta to arrive 🤤

[@v.efremov]

Great video. Keep on!

[@the_infinitygamer]

Thank you very much!

[@HeresyProducktionz]

Great rules comparison

[@the_infinitygamer]

Thank you! Hopefully it helps people out 😁

[@AeonVoom]

Great Video!.Yeah i agree on all points. Through the change of the dodge mechanic some of my units (JSA) are potentially faster than if they would move normally. Which is crazy. Generally I'm happy with N4. I think JSA got a pretty sweet deal out of it. Still not top tier, but i have the feeling they got better. And yeah N4 gave me an excuse to finally buy the O-Yoroi. Heh.

[@the_infinitygamer]

I’ve played against JSA and they are definitely formidable. Yeah there are a few cases where the dodge bonuses mean you’ll move farther using a dodge then a second skill! BUT, you have to roll for a dodge so there’s a chance of it not happening (however unlikely).

[@neocalder1228]

love your content. Your videos have been a big help as I'm getting into infinity. Do you have any tips for keeping track of all the traits and abilities going on for different units? I'm looking to play shasvastii which I know isn't the best for beginners but I like them the best so.

[@the_infinitygamer]

I find N4 easier because it’s all on the profile. I’ll often print a list for quick reference during the game. O12 are a lot simpler than Shas so that’s helping! Thanks for the support NeoCal!!

[@arrik1]

Print out the sheet. It's all listed there by title. Practice by reading each entry on your own time.

[@bencoxalpha]

Loved the video just come back into n4 with 012 Love your lawkeeper ! I went for a judge dredd paintjob :)

[@the_infinitygamer]

Nice!! I do love a judge Dredd scheme. Have you got images of it on Instagram?

[@bencoxalpha]

@@the_infinitygamer i think i have an instagram.......ill see what i can do ;)

[@bencoxalpha]

I think that worked My 012 are blue and gold but for the fluff model and rules...he had to be....THE LAW !

[@the_infinitygamer]

Darn it. It doesn’t seem to be showing. Will check on the computer as well.

[@bencoxalpha]

Ive added you on insta if that helps pmd you aswell 🤣🤣🤣 Im no good with anything that isnt Facebook 🤣

[@pseudonymmster]

Definitely would've included the changes to Hacking. Simplification and striation of programs across the devices, and the states being persistent across turns has made hacking a lot more viable.

[@the_infinitygamer]

To be fair I had martial arts and hacking under a category of ‘simplified tables’ but wasn’t sure if hacking was as big a change from N3 to N4 as MA.

[@Linkusmax]

Hacking is considerably stronger in N4 and the way programs are allocated is much simpler.

[@the_infinitygamer]

And...with more HI and TAGs it’s able to shutdown big attacks using low cost units.

[@Linkusmax]

Not to mention you can spotlight non-hackable units in ARO (or via coordinated hack) then blast them with missiles in the active turn.

[@the_infinitygamer]

YES! And with that not needing LOS anything with Guided becomes even more valuable.

[@shinankoku2]

Excellent video. I’m kind of surprised you didn’t talk about the simplified hacking program list.

[@shinankoku2]

Yep, I just found the thread below.

[@the_infinitygamer]

😂😂😂 I think I’m going to be getting stick for that for a while.

[@omnitheus5442]

Love all the new rules bar the crit changes... Not enough risk reward.

[@the_infinitygamer]

I had far too many attacking units removed thanks to a lucky defensive crit 😤. An extra armour save still means it’s possible though...

[@WhiteWulfe]

@@the_infinitygamer Not to mention models may start earning nicknames for pulling off feats. A "Deadeye" sniper (everything it ARO's just DIES), "Snoopy" (always gets shot down by the Red Baron), or whatnot. I like that there's an actual chance for the person who takes a crit. I still have fond memories of Veteran Sergeant "Bob" who held off a GREATER DAEMON OF KHORNE... In a tournament... For nine rounds of combat. Plus another three because we wanted to see who'd actually win between those two. Both down to their last wound, neither would die. We agreed "Bob" went "enough with this pointless fighting, I'll buy the first round?"

[@the_infinitygamer]

Hahaha to be fair I had an HVT in unmasking so very similar. It either dodged everything that came it’s way or saved. I honesty think at one point it made all 4 15+ armour saves. It was a true hero. Shame my units couldn’t match its prowess!

[@evillesh]

factions with forward reapeaters, good hackers (especially if they have good bts), pitchers, cheap infiltrating hackers will make life of HI/TAGs hard, and this will significantly shift the balance. Also factions with linked ML bots are gonna be played more, as guided is a good counter to some beefy or annoying targets (except maybe for TAGs, as they have ECM that are actually useful now)

[@the_infinitygamer]

Love everything you’ve said.

[@evillesh]

@@the_infinitygamer but still on average you'll see lot more HI and TAGs from medium level players. I just think that those who aim for the top will optimize the rosters in such way that they won't be focused on TAGs that much

[@the_infinitygamer]

I agree. Taking a TAG or two will be fun but players will start to take more anti HI stuff. Now that TAGs snd HI get cover beating them in a straight shootout is harder than before. Got to use other tools from the toolbox and hacking is a great one.

[@manuelcolazo6752]

Awesome!! Next video should be about camo. It's hard to deal with for new players like me haha

[@the_infinitygamer]

Camo sucks in general 😂 anything with Discover +3 helps (bluecoats) but yeah that’s a good idea for a video.

[@arrik1]

What's the hard part?

[@the_infinitygamer]

Killing it without wasting too many orders

[@arrik1]

@@the_infinitygamer Do you need to kill it?

[@the_infinitygamer]

That’s a very good point...you can incapacitate it in other ways.

[@jasonfarley9025]

Yeah, Hacking is the obvious change you've overlooked. But this is a damn good summary.

[@the_infinitygamer]

Another confession - the previous two audio takes for this video mentioned hacking 😭

[@jasonfarley9025]

@@the_infinitygamer lol There's always something! If you had hit on everything what would we all have had to say? :-P

[@the_infinitygamer]

😂😂 so true! I feel like the removal of extreme impetuous and the new command token option to put something into suppression should have made the cut too.

[@michaelcoughlan5727]

great video thanks , thinking of buying into code one but after seeing this should I buy into N$ instead? thanks

[@the_infinitygamer]

By getting into one you’re kind of getting into both 😃. The rules for both are free so it’s just the models you need really and all Code One models can be used in N4 (but not the other way around). It depends entirely on whether you want to learn the game using a simplified system or jump straight into the full game.

[@timh3259]

Thx

[@the_infinitygamer]

You’re welcome!

[@GodOfMoxie555]

Tags could always get cover XD it was just hard.

[@the_infinitygamer]

Covering a third of a TAGs silhouette would have been tricky.

[@WhiteWulfe]

@@the_infinitygamer Especially an S8.

[@jasonsiegel3869]

How do Motorcycles work now in N4..??

[@the_infinitygamer]

I’ve only used the Lawkeeper and it’s impetuous so gets no cover (but maybe has mimetism?) and it has an 8” - 6” move. They’re really cool!

[@Lucian028]

Airborn Dispersion is gone now

[@the_infinitygamer]

This is true! You just get plonked in your deployment zone touching an edge.

[@WhiteWulfe]

Local players are already talking about how much harder some of the TAGs are going to be to take down now that they get cover. Meanwhile I'm liking the fact that my Maghariba Guard can hide behind a planter and get a cover save ^_^ EDIT: I am curious about how some of the missing units will wind up being, like QK's units. I do like those Azra'il's, for example.

[@the_infinitygamer]

If you can’t beat them join them - I’m excited for my Zeta to get cover behind a planter box too 😜

[@WhiteWulfe]

@@the_infinitygamer I know my Yu Jing are definitely looking forward to that Blue Wolf... And my Hassassin Bahram are looking forward to the new, uh... Stuff I keep forgetting the spelling of. So many options, so many choices, although for HaqqIslam I suspect I'm steadily moving more and more towards HB as a sectorial... And maybe Ramah Task Force too, since, well... Wait a second, the RTF exclusive Maghariba Guard profiles are available in vanilla Haqq as well now. Uh oh. Indecision central!

[@the_infinitygamer]

Options are supposed to be a good thing but the more they give us the harder it is to choose 😭

[@WhiteWulfe]

@@the_infinitygamer Quite true. I suspect vanilla will be the main one I go for, with some dabbling into HB to see if I like how it is. Yu Jing will remain my Code One force :)

[@the_infinitygamer]

Vanilla for O12 looks mighty tempting and I didn’t see a lot of Shas players at the tournament. Apart from PanO lots of people were vanilla.

[@arrik1]

Bikes never get cover. ;)

[@the_infinitygamer]

Was that because they had impetuous it did they have REM?

[@arrik1]

@@the_infinitygamer It was, and is, because the rule for Bikes as equipment said so. ;) So I guess it wasn't as big a penalty for them to be impetuous.

[@Rob749s]

You also forgot that Extremely Impetuous no longer exists, meaning that impetuous movement is now fully optional. The number of hacking programs was halved and the whole layout was extremely simplified. Also, the Turn 1 suppressive fire command token. The loss of falling as mechanic is now gone has now greatly impacted superjump. Bare hands and combat knives are gone. The 5 levels! of Combat Jump are now just one with mods.

[@the_infinitygamer]

Extreme impetuous almost made the list as well as the change to impetuous. I included hacking in a previous edit but not this one (which I’m now seriously regretting 😂) the turn one suppression is a good suggestion. Falling got mentioned and I didn’t know combat jump had 5 levels. Going to have to look that up and remind myself of that.

[@Rob749s]

@@the_infinitygamer Sorry for listing ones you covered. I hate Mondays

[@the_infinitygamer]

I feel your pain 😂 definitely keen to learn more about the AD levels though.

[@nameisbad]

shame my experience with the community was so negative. seems like a fun game if people are willing to put in the time to learn it.

[@the_infinitygamer]

That’s a huge shame. It is a fun game but like any it relies a bit on having the right gaming group locally. Having other players to teach you also helps a lot!

[@nameisbad]

@@the_infinitygamer yeah, I had heard some horror stories about the community but decided to push on with an open mind, after hearing some others recently have had bad experiences too, I just feel it's a shame. One person in another gaming group I'm part of got a paid tournament thrown down his throat almost instantly. Sounds like the community is a big draw but also a big issue at the same time. Depends really where you go I suppose, online and offline.

[@the_infinitygamer]

Exactly! That does sound like a terrible situation - a game is just a game ultimately its the people that make it what it is. Really lucky that we have a very great group of people here and few tournaments so I guess that creates a more casual environment. Every country and town will be different. Hopefully you can find a nicer group and give the game another go in the future 😁

[@nameisbad]

@@the_infinitygamer yeah our group is putting it on hiatus atm and working on our main games, we haven't given up on it, just the time doesn't seem right after that. overall everyone loved the experience we had, except fireteams, universally we felt the game would be better without those as that's people starting feeling it was a bit much. everything else, 10/10, so deep and fun.

[@the_infinitygamer]

That’s good to hear! And great that you have other games to enjoy as well. Hopefully COVID isn’t impacting your gaming too much 😃 Yeah I struggle with fireteams a little as well. I know there are negatives to using them but often the benefits seem to outweigh those. I know they’re a big part of the game but I wouldn’t miss them too much 😂

[@pseudonymmster]

Pretty sure you can have 3 combat groups if you'd like, just no real reason to do so.

[@the_infinitygamer]

I don’t think you’re allowed more than two in N4. Do you have a page in the rules for us to check out?

[@WilliamHatton0]

@@the_infinitygamer p18 you can have any number of combat groups as long as any one doesn't exceed 10 troopers.

[@the_infinitygamer]

Well I’ll be... Genuinely thought that CB’s video and graphic restricted you to two. I mean, it would be an interesting strategy to run more than two.

[@pseudonymmster]

@@the_infinitygamer I can't really think of a reason you'd want to, but the option is there.

[@the_infinitygamer]

You’re right! You’ve taught me something new!

[@MoragTong_]

The change to crits is why I quit playing. They fundamentally changed the game. Before any unit had a fighting chance against any other unit due to the chance of getting a crit....now it just favors heavy armor. Which the TAG fanbois love.

[@the_infinitygamer]

Yes but these still have counters. Hacking is more accessible and K1 ammo exists too.