10 Big Losers in Season 10 (Don't Play These)

[@coach_mills]

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[@Ahmed.Al-Dosari]

1- Hanzo. 2- illari. 3- Reinhardt . 4- Reaper. 5- Life weaver. 6- Roadhog. 7- Sombra. 8- Genji. 9- Anna. 10- One Tricking Any Tank. There you go, your welcome.

[@LiterallyPaulGeorge]

Illari

[@pritchard6783]

Putting Genji and Sombra over someone like junkrat or mei is insane

[@Jake-tl6hj]

@@pritchard6783facts… and I main junkrat…

[@thabignickdigga2603]

Every roadhog I've played in silver 2 is dunking on everyone

[@CB-xp9ew]

thanks brah

[@Reli0s]

All I heard is play lifeweaver no matter what

[@Iampaulmorgan]

Hes def getting nerfed

[@Reli0s]

@@Iampaulmorgan won’t stop me

[@Fab-_]

Lw rework idea to make his somewhat viable i gave him an offensive utility and nerfed survivability and healing hope u like it:3: Primary fire/aka the healing blossom: Healing reduced from 80 to 70(could be 75 if they think its balanced) -Charge time reduced from 1.25sec to 0.75 sec -Removing the penalty of slowing you down if u have a fully charged blossom Secondary fire/aka Thorn vally -New passive:Venemous thorns:when lw deals 50dmg in on an enemy their dmg taken by any source is increased by 5%(this can stack so 100dmg is 10% and so on) -This effect last for 2.5 sec IF lw isin't hitting you -Ability JUMP/Rejuvinating dash -Healing reduced from 60 to 40hp -Ability 1/petal platoform If petal platform is manually destroyed after 7(or less) second of being RISEN it will take 2sec from the next petal platform -revert the petal platform hitbox change -If petal platform isin't effected by pressure(player/bob....ect)petal will go down after 5sec, when its stepped on again it will countinue its duration Ability 2/Grip -cooldown reduced from 20 to 17sec General: Lw's hp will be reduced to 200(+50 sheilds, so alll togheter 250hp) Hope u like it :3

[@FreshprimeYT]

This is my idea: Bring back his parting gift but only for Teammates, Increased thorn volley ammo from 80 to 100 I like remove the slow from his healing but it stays at 80 and decreased charge time to 1 sec. Petal rise should be at 10 meters and health to 500 Life grip cleans effect like Ana nade for ashe dynamite Dash should stay the same Tree of life healing pulse to ever 1.5 sec but reduce healing to 80 I’m a true weaver main and I don’t think he’s bad I put him in B tier but could use a small rework like ball got

[@brianbloom8905]

I feel like an accessibility option for an auto charge for heal blossom with the removal of the movement slow on full charge. If the time to cast gets reduced then for balance reasons, should also lower his ammo count or a reduction in travel speed for the blossom itself. Also the idea of the petal Plat returning to the ground after non use over time is such a healthy qol idea. I think instead of grip it should be more like a zarya bubble still with no cleanse. Players deserve to be punished for being out of position, plus 75% of the players you save turn and run back in and die within half a second. The poison thorn volley with how slept on dps lw really is might create some very oppressive situations being an instant ability with no realistic CD. Maybe instead, a ricochet or piercing effect would be a better idea.

[@sandraisaweeb]

As a Lifeweaver main, I am tired that Blizzard is not giving us the buffs that we really need. We don't need more healing, we are fine on the healing part. What Lifeweaver really needs is a faster reload and swap time. As well as more stuff to encourage Lifeweaver's to do some play instead of heal botting. I just hope Blizzard really listens to us one day. To stop buffing our healing and instead buff our damage and reduce cool down times.

[@FatFetus37]

I would instantly pick up lifeweaver if his switch to his secondary was INSTANT. I feel like all of the clunkiness disappears if that change happened.

[@sandraisaweeb]

@@FatFetus37 THISS

[@kinisiko]

I'm pretty sure they meant to make LW a character that uses both his DPS and healing weapon and not only healing weapon most of the time. It can be seen in his "passive" where if you keep your thorns up for 1,5s then your healing blossom reloads automatically, but most of the time you just reload the healing blossom because of the weapon swap animation

[@Randomness662]

Ironically, post-rework Ball still feels just as useless as before. Sure, 5% of the time I get a mistake forgiven with grapple CD reduction, but the slingshot tech with the grapple retraction is more for show than actual use, and passing overhealth to allies requires me to give up any space I've just created and just makes Ball have less of a tank presence. The balance team really dropped the Ball hard with this one. My disappointment is immeasurable, and my season is ruined.

[@TheVetoxican]

I think he's in a good spot, but he definitely doesn't work in every situation. But in the ones he does *chefs kiss* it's beautiful. Toronto kick + retract + piledriver + fireball into their team, bonus points if you get multiple boops! I feel like you can get away with a lot more, a lot easier, which is exactly what he needed. The slingshot tech works in a lot of situations, escaping easier, booping people off high ground by grappling a roadhog sized distance to the right or left of them, fireball and keep retracting, works every time. Play with him for a bit in custom games, there's a LOT of new tech to be discovered!

[@Randomness662]

@@TheVetoxican He doesn't need to get away with more easier, he just needs more kill potential. Rn he has the lowest kill potential of the dive tanks. I have used the retraction tech to avoid CCs and deny highground easier sure, but that still doesn't convert kills

[@PrometheusXV]

I think the balance team has been dropping the ball for all of OW2 tbh. The health changes didn't really help anyone, it made tanks incapable of securing picks on their own, the DPS passive made tanks miserable, and the past several seasons of balance changes continually took away power from the tanks' kill potential and has resulted in them just being boring damage sponges that blow up if they try to sponge damage. Sig and Hog losing their one-shot combo, Doom losing his slow on slam and a bunch of tech, Reinhardt, Mauga... The DPS passive is another fail tbh. We need to actually rework the support roster and stop trying to add these blanket "one-size-fits-all" poorly thought out passives and changes. The game just really doesn't benefit from it, and it's lazy. Hanzo being left behind by the passive while also losing his one-shot and then getting further nerfed is insane. The fact that another DPS has been nerfed because of their interaction with blue beam is even crazier. Cassidy still being in the same miserable state that he's been in for nearly all of OW2 is hilarious. Sombra getting a reworked that didn't make her any less annoying to play against is comical. When I first saw her rework tweet I actually thought virus was a reworked, skillshot hack - boy was I disappointed to find out they just gave her a poke DoT for some reason. Long drawn out fights were a problem, so tanks lost an entire player and all got reworked, but god forbid we actually change any of the supports lest we catch their ire. Immortalities and break point modifications galore, who cares? At this point, let me know when the balance team actually hits, so I can pop the champagne for baby's first.

[@colewedell6089]

You can grapple the ceiling, retract, slam, and immediately have another grapple

[@randyruger9063]

-5 points to Hufflepuff for incorrect use of "ironic"

[@1MooseyGoosey1]

I think this video is in need of some auxiliary tips, I can only give input related to ana here. Not talking out my ass btw, top 500 ana season 3 and masters 1 this season (not usually ana). Regarding ana, she should not be your first pick really ever. Your first picks should be moira or kiri usually, lucio too but you will need a lot of experience as him especially to get full value out of his kit. Anyhow, when do you pick ana? When does she give more value than the 3 mentioned choices. If the enemy goes hog or mauga (bonus points if: they're a 1 trick, they have no flank dps, they have no kiriko) then you will get near maximum value if you shut down their tank. Obviously switch if their composition changes and puts too much pressure on you and your team for your survival. I only mention this because if you're serious about climbing then you don't wanna miss out on a free win by picking ana when the opportunity is there for her, despite her being weak in most compositions this season.

[@tigerxxd]

Illari is the only support that feels nice to get head shots on. That’s why i like her

[@Plasmaomatic]

Kiriko 😢

[@tigerxxd]

@@Plasmaomatic better character by far but not fun to me

[@kaizerk4321]

@@Plasmaomatic Some people still prefer guns to kunais. Hitscan vs Projectile.

[@kinisiko]

​@@Plasmaomaticprojectiles require more skill to hit headshots, especially mid-air, so they're not as popular as hitscan

[@elijahblackwell3305]

Zenyatta and Baptiste burst make me happy

[@vss318]

So all the annoying characters I hate are meta and all my favorite characters are trash. Oh well, still tearing apart GM lobbies with em

[@PHNX_140]

As a hanzo main i definitely agree with him being on this list, personally i think the way to fix him (without reworking) is buffing his regular arrow draw time so that if you get caught up close you can more reliably save yourself. That change would also overall increase his dps and his application of the DPS passive. Generally I think he needs to be reworked and adapted into something other than a one-shot character, I'd love to see changes that assist him in the more stealthy playstyle such as reduced or even silent movement/weapon sounds. He's a ninja with a bow, it makes total sense that he'd be a very quiet character. On the topic of reworking, dragon sucks, which sucks because it's a cool ultimate, but i think it's simply too obvious and easy to avoid regardless of how much damage it does. The only idea i have is making the ult a stronger version of storm arrows and based on a timer and not arrow count, then replacing storm arrow with something useful, like an alarm arrow or something. (Also that ult would be way more similar to genji's blade which is just cool to me)

[@alfredocaceres4680]

Hanzo ult is just too slow I think. If they don't want to rework it they could make it 2x faster, I think that would be fair.

[@PHNX_140]

@@alfredocaceres4680 yeah that or make the whole dragon do the same damage

[@Hsjackow]

I am a hanzo main too, but personally, I think he was fine the way he was. If he were to lose the one shot with a faster fire rate, he might just become projectile Cassidy. I think hanzo should have his one shot, but I guess if they do something else to him to make him better it's also fine, he just can't stay the way he is right now.

[@PHNX_140]

​@@Hsjackow Hanzo having no damage drop off means he'll never be projectile Cassidy. Also even if you gave him back his one shot he'll still be weak. The point of buffing the fire rate is to assist him with close range fights, which was still an issue for old Hanzo. It doesn't matter if you can kill them in one shot if you miss and die before you can even draw a second arrow. Getting dived and having to bank my entire survival on one usually difficult shot is the most frustrating experience I've had playing Hanzo.

[@Hsjackow]

@@PHNX_140 if you gave him his one shot back, it means now he can one shot headshot someone, or two shot body shot someone whereas now he has to hit one headshot with follow up or three body shots to kill. The ttk is simply too long for him having to aim all those shots. He already have storm arrow to deal with close range targets. If you gave hanzo his one shot back, he wouldn't be strong and he honestly don't need to be. His entire kit revolves around hitting that difficult one shot and right now he is just worse because you have to rely on luck that the enemy has taken 10 damage already for you to finish them off. As for dealing with dives, I actually love that I have the chance to hit one crazy shot on them to win, whereas now, even if I get a headshot on genji and sombra I would still die before they do. As for coordinated dive, well that's just a weakness he needs, similar to widow, hanzo has to have counter play such as dive to be able to counter him. Faster fire rate would certainly help, but without the one shot he will never be as good as Ashe, Cassidy and sojourn.

[@0uas]

Nah i like Pull on Lifeweaver especially when people are in voice chat

[@insaneexpertise]

Just found this video, as somoene who plays alot of hog and hits like 98% of their hooks. Hes still just ok, he can sometimes pop off but he is super easy to push back; he walks up does his stuff loses all his health and has to walk away healing MOST of the time

[@Barrnickle]

Personally I think Grip having that downside of pulling your tank and losing space is a good addition. Realistically Suzu is just OP considering there is no downside to it and it's on a shorter CD, but with Grip your sometimes having to surrender space in exchange for a life which is a fair exchange. LW def needs some help (in areas such as damage, charge time, not giga healing buffs), but I think he is meant to be a niche character that not everybody likes or feels is as effective across the board as others, but he could definitely be improved without making him annoying to play against if they actually attempted to do that but they keep buffing his heal numbers for some reason.

[@Fab-_]

Lw rework idea to make his somewhat viable i gave him an offensive utility and nerfed survivability and healing hope u like it:3: Primary fire/aka the healing blossom: Healing reduced from 80 to 70(could be 75 if they think its balanced) -Charge time reduced from 1.25sec to 0.75 sec -Removing the penalty of slowing you down if u have a fully charged blossom Secondary fire/aka Thorn vally -New passive:Venemous thorns:when lw deals 50dmg in on an enemy their dmg taken by any source is increased by 5%(this can stack so 100dmg is 10% and so on) -This effect last for 2.5 sec IF lw isin't hitting you -Ability JUMP/Rejuvinating dash -Healing reduced from 60 to 40hp -Ability 1/petal platoform If petal platform is manually destroyed after 7(or less) second of being RISEN it will take 2sec from the next petal platform -revert the petal platform hitbox change -If petal platform isin't effected by pressure(player/bob....ect)petal will go down after 5sec, when its stepped on again it will countinue its duration Ability 2/Grip -cooldown reduced from 20 to 17sec General: Lw's hp will be reduced to 200(+50 sheilds, so alll togheter 250hp) Hope u like it :3

[@Barrnickle]

I'd take any changes at this point, although having a Zen put discord on you and then getting more debuffs from Thorn Volley would probably feel pretty rough. I'd rather them just add in a slight poison effect to Thorn Volley or add a passive background charge to Blossom while using Thorn Volley, so he can easily swap back and forth between damage and heals unlike now where your forced to healbot a lot due to the slow charge time. Along with faster projectile speed as hitting your shots as LW is very hit or miss (hah), you basically just poke corners or slow moving targets and hope for the best, any character that has decent mobility or smaller hitboxes (Tracer, Kiriko, Genji, etc) can be a headache to hit with LW. I really think he'd be better, more fun, and less annoying to play against if they just toned back his healing a tad and put a little more power into Thorn Volley and the clunky slow swap from damage to heals. I'd be fine with Dash going back to 50hp, not sure why they changed Dash of all things in his kit. Petal will be what it will be imo, I don't see many ways to make it better "utility". If you throw out petals for your team it's simply up to them to use it, not much you can do about that. I think it's fine, it's a good escape ability for LW and if you use the cooldown rotation efficiently and pre-place a petal you can have a petal ready to use very often. Helping a teammate get to high ground is useful at times and you can sometimes save people with it as well. A lot of people hate Grip, which I can see why to an extent but I think people overreact a bit. My idea of a rework for those who hate on it would maybe be -CD reduced from 19 to 15 or so -Ability button surrounds chosen teammate in a pink "aura" for a few seconds before disappearing, similar to Zarya bubble but not as big and noticeable -Aura doesn't negate any damage to player, but does have health just like Zarya bubble and can be broken by enemy team, preventing Grip, not sure what the health size would be -Teammate can press interact button to pull themself to LW, or LW can press the ability button a second time to pull just like he does now -If Grip aura is broken by enemy team before the pull happens, or Grip aura is applied but is not used before the aura disappears, the CD for Grip is reduced from 15 to 8 or so, to prevent too much downtime This adds in more counterplay to the ability and also another layer for LW to interact with the ability as well, I'm sure it's not a perfect idea but I think you could say that about most abilities in OW. I'd be fine with a slight nerf to LW's health as long as he got meaningful changes to his kit.

[@Geo255420]

4:25 As an old guard Ana Main. Illiari was a breath of fresh air for supports with that mechanical love for a character. I would not say give her back the damage she had at her launch. The pilon dose most of the healing and I know they haven been trying to move her healing closer to her alt ability. I think she is steering to the right direction. Maybe give the crit damage VS the body shot a boost to give her back the fighting style she had on release.

[@bananagoosegang]

Wrecking balls rework kinda felt like a nothing rework it didnt change anything

[@ChickenSoupMusic]

Shields should last until next CD and he needs more ammo/something in that regard. Movement interrupts still punish him too much.

[@soccersmith8956]

it wasnt a rework

[@BagelBoy3]

i have a personal hatred for lifeweaver only because of how many times one on my team has "saved" me from a 1v1 i was winning

[@aamado1013]

My buddy is a Sombra main and tends to go off on his LW for this reason

[@overratedfool6900]

New OW player here. This just happened to me for the first time. I was Bap vs a Junker Queen. We were both low and I was literally throwing down my lamp and still had my heal. So instead of almost certainly winning the fight, I was killed instantly as he pulled me out of my lamp and then LW also died instantly as JQ was now looking right at him and he too was already low. Proper dumbass play.

[@ESPA333]

You may think he has pulled you for no reason but most times because of how a good LW will position he sees things you can't on the battlefield. It may be a 1v1 from your perspective but there may be either reinforcement on the way to you or you are over extended chasing a kill that is an unnecessary risk. The biggest problem with Grip is it requires a lot of map awareness and game sense which a lot of players lack. He is a good character when you get a team that will coordinate with you since a reset is better than waiting 15+sec for respawn.

[@KeanuChrist]

I’ve always thought it would be cool if Ana could dodge like Hunters in Destiny.

[@optical9359]

So cass role but instead of reload it shortens the nade cool down

[@KeanuChrist]

@@optical9359 Nah, Cass’s Rollout is quick and stays in first person. Hunter’s dodge from Destiny is a little slower, covers more distance, and temporarily puts you in a third person perspective during the roll. Allows you to see your surroundings that you wouldn’t normally see in first person for just a brief moment. Think Reinhardt holding up his shield. The dodge from Destiny also has i-frames and bonus passives such as auto-reloading your weapon, or refreshing an ability if there is an enemy nearby. Whether Ana needs passive bonuses to the dodge is up to debate.

[@kozmoman1066]

Why would you need that? If you have your cooldowns as ana you can 1v1 any non tank.

[@KeanuChrist]

@@kozmoman1066 Calm yourself. Just thought it would be fun idea.

[@hillwoop9101]

@@KeanuChristI main Ana and my only frustration is you take so long to reload and I notice that I need to reload way more since season 9

[@OutOfUsernameldeas]

Junkrat should definitely be on this list as he is currently facing the exact same issue as hanzo is without their ability to one shot. Also the moment someone picks a character that can fly its basically gg for junkrat unless you can hit air shots which is difficult for even high ranking players.

[@VicoSotto.]

it's easy to 1v1 aerial heroes, but once an opponent's teammate help then it's game over.

[@G128_cz]

As a Reaper otp It's been sad since s9, not enough range (duh) and the hp buff gamewide deleted the assassin Reaper style (which I used) He has a "rework" ahead of him BUT with how the reworks were thus far I don't think much will change

[@kevin-vincentelabo3916]

Lifeweaver ? Bruh u are completely wrong. This guy is a life savior. True his abilities are situational but they literally allow a character to reassess a situation when facing a losing one. The others just give u more time to survive but he gets u out litterally

[@breakfaith3031]

And he can speed up a teammate returning from spawn as well

[@chaskcryaotic1037]

Ive always said that Storm Arrow is useless now due to the season 9 changes sure YOU can get kills and nuke someone but with the nerfs to hanzo i means scatter arrow because scatter was ALWAYS a threat to people that decided to chase hanzo into a inclosed room or building

[@kevin-vincentelabo3916]

That guys is completely contradicting himself. I remember him saying that he doesn’t believe in counter characters. Then he recommends to do it. Because being flexible involves knowing characters strengths and weaknesses and make choices in accordance to the enemies ones in order to counter them then beat them

[@Lappmogel]

lifegrip is a tempo negative play? I see your point but i don't think i agree. Lifegrip can enable tanks and chars that normally need to save their mobility to escape (like reaper or venture) to get really aggressive with zero risk. Suzu or lamp isn't a 100% sure save on a rein that charge straight into the enemy team, lifegrip is.

[@GUSSYAVO]

I mean illari is the only character that has a heavy hitting hit scan weapon, but she’s only good on defense or if ur dps are hard locking close range characters.

[@skye_wolfe8455]

I feel like with Illari idk if it would actually improve anything but her quick melee should do more damage, if zen kick does more damage I feel like an actual sword should too. Maybe even apply bleed like JQ but that might be too much. I feel like it could help in the close range duels and would have good synergy with her ult being able to actually get the max damage or with her shift just chasing down a target to whack them over the head

[@uwhizzar]

I’m a Ilari main sinds season 9, and still am. And I can say that sinds the new season her healing is still so bad, her damage is still good sinds I always have like 50-60% accuracy

[@regenerosity8646]

Lifeweavers pull is amazing to me when solo queuing or squad of two because elo hell exists and teammates will go seamlessly away from the team. They keep dying so if I see that I swap and starting pulling them to the team to keep them alive lol

[@brennanmcadams4273]

Illari Rework: New Passive: Inti Training -Illari has 1.5m added to the hit box of her melee and +5 damage Nerfs: -Damage to 67.5 -Outburst CD to 9s -Outburst Cast time to 0.25 + 0.9s -Pylon heal burst to 25 Buffs: -Crit ratio to 1.75 -Outburst now heals Illari and allies in radius by 25hp -Ourburst now cleanses Illari and nearby allies. No Immo, no invulnerability, just cleanse -Right click healing beam range buffed 2.5m -Rick click resource meter +0.5s -Pylon cooldown on dmg or destruction to 10s -Pylon cooldown default to 3.5s -Pylon hitbox reduced 15% -Outburst damage to 25

[@thejurzeydevil141]

I love hanzo and have been maining him for a long time. That “light buff” should have been our saving grace bringing oneshot back but ended up being a spit in our face. It really feels like the devs nerf characters cuz they listen to haters as opposed to actually testing gameplay

[@joshsnyder4858]

Disagree with reaper pick. I would say he is definitely viable in lower medals. Great picks for dive comps. I’m lower end plat. If they just added a fast/slow increase with Ana’s Nade maybe not quite as strong as Meis. For Ana’s sleep just increase her projectile size or slow targets a little more after getting slept. She just doesn’t have enough crowd control with mobility.

[@aamado1013]

Sleep darts should blackout the screen completely and slowly fade in upon awakening. It should also either reset cooldowns or slow the timer/activation. Alternatively subtract 10% of the ultimate meter.

[@G128_cz]

Maybe lower ranks as You said but to climb?, absolutely no as a Reaper in "higher" ranks the amount if setup and ability tracking needed to be useful is just way too big

[@GarnetDust24]

Imma just play illari and get really good with her now until they buff her. Then I’ll be unstoppable. It just sucks that if an enemy looks at pylon it gets punished with the 12 second cooldown, the same as it being destroyed, and her ult can be blocked or cancelled by half the roster.

[@filipedias104]

im a gm rein main, dont main rein if u are new, he's probably the worst tank rn even worse than hog and hog is terrible

[@thelambbro]

I’ve been playing widow sombre all season

[@fragileparadox8658]

I feel like illari’s biggest problem has always been her pylon, its terrible for push and payload maps and the cooldown is just too long, im hoping for a healing nerf with a cooldown buff at the very least

[@commandoghost5883]

I think it’s kinda messed up to keep hanzo and junk garbage just because you find them annoying like what about the countless hours those who main them had to go it’s like nerfing doom into the ground and watching zbra struggle

[@PHNX_140]

As a Hanzo main i think the Ironic thing is that he wasn't even that bad because you can counter him with literally any shield or even just good positioning, but sombra, an arguably more annoying character, has basically no counterplay... except for hanzo's sonar arrow or widow's walls.

[@alfredocaceres4680]

@@PHNX_140 As a fellow Hanzo main, people complained too much about arrow hitbox (which wasn't huge) and that probably contributed to the nerf, but why would you take away his one shot and leave a hitscan one shot like Widow which is arguably more oppresive? Makes no sense. He also has projectile which makes it much more difficult to land a shot, he can only fire a full arrow every 1.25s and he has mid mobility, usually any dive tank an counter him easily. I still play him but I'm probably going to tests a couple more characters.

[@PHNX_140]

@@alfredocaceres4680 I recommend Cass, He's good right now and I've found i haven't had to change my playstyle too much to adapt to him

[@stelliana_vkei]

@@PHNX_140Cassidy and Mei counter her

[@thundermtn845]

I feel like you missed junkrat, who is having the same issues as hanzo, who with the ho buffs made him need tk hit littelry 50% more shots on average

[@soIzec]

Junkrat so bad, even content creators forgot about him

[@itzpurple_queen9711]

He also forgot Mercy

[@FaIIenSkater91]

They should make Illaris pylon break a thing you can do by holding the pylon ability button and give her a whole new ability. Maybe a burst heal for teammates? Maybe some kind of big charged shot or something? Not sure what direction to go but she needs more options

[@Coach_Ax]

I was one tricking Hanzo just to learn the mechanics of the game but now idk lmao

[@11RIHAM]

I believe Ana is better than mercy in higher ranks, her sleep dart and grenade can be a game changer once you learn how to use them, I wish for the three shot Ana to come back though.

[@winton9]

Big man with big hammer we reinfart

[@CyborgFranky8]

Lifeweaver rework when? take out his dps enterally and let him focus on god tier healing and give him abilities that help him heal. ult should stay as tree but make it give 800 green health from pop and 300 constantly as long as you are in the circle and 200 base hp every pulse but tree doesn't last that long anymore

[@Zero-rj6re]

I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to disagree with you with illari. Sure she basically plays similar to Moria and is all about healing but if you actually play against an actual good illari that knows how to place her healing pylon than it's kinda hard to actually kill the team. Might be a skill issue but most of the times a clutch illari is hard to fight especially when people just ignore the healing pylon.

[@Night02_]

there is no good or bad hero to pick. its all down to preference and weather you can perform well with them or not

[@joshsnyder4858]

For every 10 bad wrecking balls you’re rewarded with one amazing ball tank. I always expect the worst with Ball as my tank.

[@whoisit196]

Only blizzard to always make boring new characters and have them be meta, destroy the fun ones and then get desperate because their game is dying.

[@Wacko19Jacko]

True words my Brother

[@AD-mo9ji]

As a previous hanzo main it is so sad to Look at what they did to him

[@DeoNineKay]

the real question is, given that it looks like they don't want hanzo to one-shot anymore, how in the hell do you fix that character? You could make him storm arrow crazy but then he would just be busted imo (because right now it is the only thing keeping the character even remotely playable). I feel like with every patch they just dog Hanzo and I really hope that this patch didnt include the "Hanzo buffs" that the dev team hinted at because increased distance per second on dragon without upping the damage per second actually would come across as a nerf in more situations than it helps and on top of that decreasing the size of his projectile while not giving him back his one-shot is a real slap in the face. I love this character but there are way better and more consistent picks than him right now. I think, at best, I use him as a counter for sombra to peel for my supports when she attacks them.

[@rogue4340]

Hog got recent hook buffs, and he can one shot +50% dmg reduction so I think what you said was outdated now

[@YellowScar2014]

Edit, placed here to make it Tank, DPS, Support; I think Rein could benefit from gaining a speedboost when he hits a firestrike, and gaining ult-charge when blocking damage/cooldowns. Probably with a satisfying hitsound for said blocking to give the same psychological reward for damage that you'd get for dealing or your team with healing. Edit 2; Maybe get rid of the slowing and some of the damage over time to make it so his Pigpen trap emits a miniature winston bubble once triggered. That way, hooking an enemy into it offers not only a chance to oneshot but a defensive shield for you and your team. Oh, and make his breather give overhealth instead of regular healing I guess. That'd make balancing it easier since they won't have to take Ana or the DPS passive into account as much. Non Edit; I say make Reaper's wraith a resource meter and change his shotgun spread to be more accuracy rewarding like Hog's spread was changed to be. Also they should either give Allari the DPS passive or just straight up make them a DPS. Sym would be a better support then her, all things considered. Edit #3; Maybe replace Ana's sleepdart with a Widow grappling hook? Maybe even make it the triple-grappel that Widow got in that April Fools patch, since that made Widow actually fun to play for me.

[@EnterMyDreams]

I’m an Ana main and i’m so sad, sleep needs a lower cooldown, or she needs a movement ability.

[@iSuckAtGamesGG]

sleep needs to be reverted to be 5 seconds on all heros, 3 seconds on tanks only is annoying and inconsistent

[@PuckishAngeI]

Why is Mercy not mentioned?

[@e.b.9702]

Mercy definitely one of the worst Supports since S9. I can't believe that Ana and LW are on the list, but Mercy not even mentioned.

[@G128_cz]

I see Mercy otps all the time even now, Ana and LW not very much clearly maining Mercy ain't that bad

[@PuckishAngeI]

@@G128_cz may I ask on which rank if you don't mind?

[@G128_cz]

@@PuckishAngeI plat 1 - diamond 5

[@dollybelll_]

Mercy so bad rn he forgot she even existed 😭

[@yester8039]

you bet im gonna grind my ass out with Rein as a good rein main

[@muhsyafabadakatu497]

what is the best hero for some one who play on console? i'm new at this game so idk what the best heroes are

[@duongnguyen-s1i]

for me illari is in a bit better state than before, idk her damage for me is very valuable and the dps passive nerf did alleviate her healing problems quite a bit. still kinda oof but ok. LW needs to be rework or something, before they say that they want him to be a utility support, now they dont even buff his utility but buff his base numbers. his tree feels very good though, especially for tracer or dive characters or low hp people, the overhp helps a lot. for me, mercy feels a bit better but still below average. usually character who get a mythic get nerf a bit but she didnt so few lol, i hope she still get buff a bit. her movement isnt really enough against all the other mobility and her mythic is bugged, the ga effects only appear in the blue or purple, u need to use valk in the red one. its a bit too much effect cause it blocks the screen with the stripes, maybe make it more transaparent. idk if she has a little special voiceline or no special burst voiceline but i barely hear anything special. for some reason, u need to equip the max level stuff in tracer mythic to get her ult effects, and her skin doesnt say a lot special stuff.

[@sumstopidshet5045]

Why isnt junkrat on this list?

[@the_buckeyx]

because a good junk rat will f your day up

[@G128_cz]

I suppose It's b'cuz Junk can absolutely control chokeholds so He's VERY useful in niche situations

[@sumstopidshet5045]

@@G128_cz you must be in bronze or something

[@G128_cz]

@@sumstopidshet5045 high plat thank You, my duo is a Junk main I am a Reaper main and climbing. Get good maan, my duo is doing good while I have to set up very carefully Junk isn't that bad if You play right

[@G128_cz]

@@sumstopidshet5045 also if You don't control chokes on Junk that might be the problem (just a very accurate guess)

[@alaynaallen6111]

Ana has lik no fall off legitimately just sit hella far outside of everyone else 😂

[@christiangamers2254]

1. Hanzo: Arrge still plays it and is in top500 2. Reinhardt: LHcloudy plays mostly reinhardt and he is champion5 3. Roadhog: Cyx is a roadhog main. Played mostly hog to reach champion 5

[@breakfaith3031]

Honestly if they gave ana some sort of movement ability and let her land crits she'd probably be fairly strong

[@cloud3x3]

Hanzo, Illari, Sombra, and Ana, so basically my entire roster besides Tracer.

[@e.b.9702]

They know that Illari is bad, she's been bad for 3 seasons now, but they won't do anything about it. They destroyed this hero. Every time the buff back something, they nerf something else. Kiriko, one of the best Supports consistently in the game and especially since S9, is not being touched, but they NERF Illari's fire-rate that they buffed in mid S9 patch. They DON'T WANT this hero to be good and played! They want everyone to pick Kiriko!

[@fractalelf7760]

They need to frankly rework LW… and probably Illari. At a minimum her turret needs more health.

[@dantebautista_]

that rein was all over the place

[@pokebrammer5733]

curious why junkrat isnt in here

[@thebabay2912]

illari is one of the stronger healers. her beam heals 120hp/ps along with her pylon, which does 50hp/ps her primary fire does 70 dmg a headshot which is more than enough to assist dps. shes strong right now.

[@badgrammar8989]

Hey Coach, Who is Macaroni Glove - the Rein you used footage of in this video? I can't find anything on him online...

[@BTGSiouxper]

You probs already found him but it's LhCloudy.

[@badgrammar8989]

@@BTGSiouxper I did not. Thank you.

[@doslittleduendes2569]

Im console support diamond 1 looking for duo/ friend for ranked, i play whatever

[@popbrocks]

Idk if this would be viable but I think illari should get multiple healing pylons. I think that could justify her nerf

[@ianchambers37]

She doesn't really feel nerfed at all, lol. If anything I've seen many more folks play her and well lately.

[@popbrocks]

@ianchambers37 yeah same. I just was thinking if ppl think she's not good enough they could do that. Just a suggestion. Got the idea because of zarya getting 2 bubbles.

[@SlimBoyMillion]

I play a bit of Illari & I think 2 pylons would be overkill for those who are good with pylon placements. But then again who knows. If anything, maybe allow Illari's pylon be able to give her overhealth or shields exclusively when she's in range. Giving her more survivability and a better chance to duel in 1v1s.

[@ianchambers37]

@SlimBoyMillion before she felt good in duels i thought if ones aim was good much like kiriko is. I could see them screwing those ideas up even if they sound good. They would give too much shield or whatever lol. If with her group she can be so hard to kill as is with good placement of pylons especially lower ranks when folks are allergic to shooting them much like any turrets lol.

[@AdrianJimenez-qe9hs]

It would be sick if illari heals a lot more with her healing torrent when she’s taking or dealing damage

[@AnakinSkywalker-gw2xv]

These last two seasons have been awful for me I main junkrat and hanzo the only thing saving me is the my 3rd dps main is Ashe Im begging blizzard just give the junkrat combo back he won’t be meta or broken but at most kinda annoying im sick of the only way to get value is spamming and farming tire. The low ranks are not hitting that combo consistently enough for it to be broken and in the high ranks its just as deserved as a widow oneshot just slightly buff direct hit damage

[@darkrai_gaming_2277]

Let’s face it, even in low ranks, if you’re doing good on rein they’re just gonna swap orisa/mauga. Rein was just not designed for 5v5. He has to pick between blocking damage and doing damage. As long as that is true, he can’t be an effective solo tank.

[@BuddyIsGarbage]

I’m so sick of these OW content creators talking about “in low ranks rein is OP.” I play in low ranks and everyone shoots the tank 90% of the time. If Rein isn’t double pocketed, he dies. Rein mirrors don’t exist, if they do, after one loss it’s Orisa time.

[@Dr3aMy00]

Hear me out, what if we make everyone that isn't an OG of the game suffer thru scatter arrow once again like we all did back in the day.

[@PHNX_140]

Nah make it the april fools event version where it's scatter storm arrow.

[@wanderingyeehaw]

6:48 nahhh that was a devious spray 😭

[@Mattspsycho]

Watching this knowing I’m gonna onetrick genji and doom

[@Yxrann]

Get sombra,genji and anna out of there

[@fuzzytetra323]

Bruh pretty much all my mains are in this list 😭😭

[@Yung_Baby_Lotion]

1 shot hog was never a problem

[@Me-ringue]

Mei deserves a spot. I do play her (otp) but she clearly lacks a lot of things, especially since the Hp buff Patch

[@arkossunset6947]

I was surprised to see sombra but that would make sense, though I have a feeling I’m just bad at the game.

[@Jae_JETT]

And your done 😂. Hog is so tanky it’s crazy. That’s what tank is. Who can survive the most and he’s damn good at it

[@HoloTheDrunk]

10 Big Losers in Season 10: 1. Me

[@bananapower5619]

they did hanzo so dirty and I'm so mad

[@seiko-seiko]

Blizzard should just cancel 250+ hp buff and game will be fun again :/ That update ruined a lot of heroes kit and made tempo so slow that it becomes not interesting to play. Funny fact is that ppl who cant get used to quick tempo and new players complained too much about how game is unbalanced 'cuz THEY were oneshoted and it's too difficult to aim forced that rebalancing which is kinda shit and made it, once again, boring as f*ck. New hero, Venture, is the most proving thing 'cuz everybody liked her oneshot dive kit and mobility with strong ult while genji, for example, sucks with his hard to land critical shots dealing 0 dmg + his favorite oneshot nano ult combo (slash+dash) deals 240 dmg which equals he cant kill anybody and his mobility aint giving him any advantage as you can see through many games him being destroied in matter of miliseconds. The same thing happened to Hanzo and players stopped playing him 'cuz why would you play difficult sniper who cant do impact successfully without oneshot? So, Blizzard should rather cancel hp buff or do a big rework again of heroes which were based on oneshoting system and can't do shit now.

[@Skelinatra]

In my gold 2 experience ana and sombra are the absolute worst to deal with HUH

[@misterjoshua_09]

Hanzo rlly needs that 1-shot. Thats the only thing u said that I agreed with tbh. Im hoping that changes eventually:/

[@DiabeticGymRatT1]

As a banzo enjoyer I can say he needs only 5 more damage

[@bigboska]

The fact that junkrat is not here is CRAZY!!!!!!

[@VicoSotto.]

Sadly, junk's too weak to even be in this list. He didn't lose anything this season since he already lost everything season 9. Still Junkrat;s the best.

[@addicted2myxbox]

I flex but I just started picking up half of these characters out of nowhere

[@pappacarnage7624]

Why doesn’t your tier list match the channel your overwatch

[@drokuuu]

FETCH ME MY HAMMER

[@ethanruiz1775]

How is Winston in the meta?

[@RodrigoFlores-ls1kq]

Suzu the tank thats alone so he die to not ult damage and provide ult charge because they can't escape anyways. Got it.

[@tortue_]

Rein unplayable since god knows, assassin hanzo is dead. What am i supposed to play when i poured a bunch of hours into these chars and loved them blizz?

[@MrProdigy810]

I would rework illari slightly. I’d make the turret a pulse heal that heals multiple people with a shorter radius and shorter cooldown when destroyed but a longer time in between heals. Then I’d give her an extra passive(let’s call it sunspots) where after a headshot she applies the sunspot. Whenever ulting the sunspot is applied as well. When applied, allies can life rip off that target for the next 3 seconds. It’s in line with her aggressive playstyle, allows her to playmake by directing focus, and can be kept in check both by player skill floor and by the already existing features in game (I.e. kiri cleanse and the other multitude of cleanses, dps passive, any form of cover).

[@translucentoreo]

so what im hearing is instalock genji every game

[@greatwhitnorth]

Ball has all the same issues he had before lol just got some fun new tech things he can do

[@leftyyy23]

1:54 this ends. NOW! (ltg reference)

[@colbyhynes1098]

ive bean killing it on hanzo

[@addicted2myxbox]

Please do a Venture counter guide for each role.

[@kadenbew4031]

Hog is one of the strongest tanks atm and one shot Is still really easy to do he’s even getting played in owcs

[@Jae_JETT]

9:39 fully disagree with this take. It comes down to knowing when to pull not just pulling when you see critical

[@ETJakaEli]

hanzo 200hp bring oneshot back, and 225 if 200 isnt enough