10 Changes in CHIVALRY 2 vs Mordhau!

[@KGAnims]

Back when Mordhau released: "chiv vets are ruining the game!" Now when Chiv 2 is released: "Mordhau vets are ruining the game!" :D

[@MarieAvora]

the chiv vets who ruined mordhau are the developers of mordhau xdd

[@KomandarmKnuckles]

As both a Chiv and Mord vet, Tornbanner will probably ruin the game, by abandoning it

[@yeeturmcbeetur8197]

@@KomandarmKnuckles THIS. People don’t even know why Mordhau was made in the first place...

[@Opachki69420]

@@KomandarmKnuckles its a vicious fuckin cycle, i hope mordhau doesnt go out the same way, but what can i expect at this point?

[@KomandarmKnuckles]

@@Opachki69420 well I for one expect them to do better this time, I'm willing to give them one last chance, but if they abandon it to do Mirage 2, Ima lose my mind

[@markchristiansen4827]

Love the victory banner appearing while being blasted out of a castle.

[@OlrikMeister]

I think going more restictive in the classes is something they had to do. Mordhau has just so much freedom that there is no competing with. I think the maps and feel of the weapons is something chiv might be something they could compete with.

[@vengefulraven4322]

Yea, they definitely can compete with maps, Triternion releases new ones very slowly and frankly existing ones could be made better. Weapons would be less competing and more providing different experience I believe, Mordhau is more about readable animations because it's more about sweaty dark souls-tier duels so they can look kinda awkward while in Chiv 2, it just looks so aggressive lol. Even though it can be pretty hard to understand what is happening due to how janky beta looks like in videos, I like the feeling they are going for, will totally try out playing Chivalry.

[@TheWorldAsWeAre]

I always liked the more restrictive equipment of the first Chiv. It gave a feeling of a more fair and skill based fights compared to the overwhelming variety of stuff that the more experienced players could unlock in mordhau. I absolutely love that they took the counter attack parry bug from Chiv and turned it into an actual feature in Chiv 2, and I'm curious about the changes made to the blocking mechanism. If the held block uses a large amount of stamina, and the hitbox of it is precise enough to not render drags useless I can see it working out as a competitive player.

[@vengefulraven4322]

Well yes, Mordhau is basically chiv 1 but way better. Still, chiv 2 is different from chiv 1 as well as from mordhau, it's not a better and refined version of first game as this role is occupied by Mordhau - it's more of a new approach to the combat system. You make it sound like chiv 2 is a third and superior chiv 1 while it is not, wanted to point that out.

[@vengefulraven4322]

Mmm, fellow enjoyer of 360 drags, ballerina knights and overhead accels from behind, I see

[@kellz9972]

my only issue is customization. Mordhau did this almost perfectly with their build a class.

[@BonesMalon3]

game aint even out and im already planning on muting game chat lmao

[@thesheeepjd]

I for one love the smell of random insults thrown at me in the morning! It's nostalgic, makes you feel like you're back at school.

[@BonesMalon3]

@@thesheeepjd thats fair and to some point I agree, but only when they're actually clever lol, most of the time its just the n-word or "get gud, ez" etc

[@zackrose6261]

@@BonesMalon3 The mental battle is part of the fight! You must conquer the mental battle!

[@BonesMalon3]

@@zackrose6261 haha to be honest when I discovered the in game insult system I fell in love ngl

[@martingrof1685]

Is it just me? I love it when someone calls me n!gg!r in chat loool. Means I pissed them off.

[@JackWendigo1234]

6:57 Yeah, about that dismemberment comment.... You can lose you arm and keep fighting for a few seconds. The timer/bar that says how long you have left has the title "TIS BUT A SCRATCH!"

[@mdawni6933]

Damn never realized that 🤣🤣🤣

[@JackWendigo1234]

@@mdawni6933 I saw it in a gameplay video, twas the greatest thing I've ever seen.

[@JackWendigo1234]

@Exodus N I agree.

[@WraithLK]

Literally Flesh Wound from Mordhau

[@JackWendigo1234]

@@WraithLK I didn't think mordhau had that. I've never seen it. The Chivalry 2 feature is a reference to the "Black Knight" from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"

[@danieluwu97]

"you will see no more pan wielding naked guys" me: *cries in foppish*

[@adam7802]

"YOUUUU BASTARD!"

[@PrettyPinkPersephone]

There’s skins for armor and equipment, you can possibly be a stick wielding naked guy

[@NobbsAndVagene]

No more tryhard psychopaths? Good.

[@zOsO0535]

CATCH THIS YOU BASTARD!!!!

[@mattm9584]

@@NobbsAndVagene casual.

[@CattSing]

I remember playing Chivalry 1, which I had fun in until I faced people that looked like a bladed whirlwind that sucked all the fun and realism out of the game.

[@frozenwinterwinds]

It was funny to do man! :D

[@CattSing]

@@frozenwinterwinds I wouldn't have mind it if it wasn't so efficient. I mean gg to those who mastered it but I stopped playing it due to it being a thing.

[@stacksofwax1196]

@Riku yup was pretty easy to deal with you just had to get used to it then Spinjutsu totally lost its effectiveness, it tended to leave the spinner open because they weren't expecting you to be able to parry ;)

[@TheWorldAsWeAre]

You could really fuck some shit up if you understood these patterns when facing multiple opponents. ;) (i enjoyed the maul overhead double kill) later on as the game progressed. (1 from behind, 1 from in front of you) hahaha

[@TheWorldAsWeAre]

@@stacksofwax1196 At a higher competitive level we'd be able to predict the opponents parry without even looking at them as we utilized the spin attacks that they parried. We'd also sometimes fake spins with delays or feints to get an access to the open window after the parry. To someone unfamiliar with the game it must have looked silly as you aimed to the opposite direction and heard a "splosh" behind ur back as their head went off, but to more experienced players it was mostly as fun as hell

[@nolangrayson899]

The constant blocking isn’t much of a problem because all it takes is patience for them to run out of stamina, a swift kick to the chest, or try to bait them to turn to hit their side.

[@wilhelmscream6834]

Exactly. I've typically found no problem dodging to the left or right of them and giving them a stab in the side when they are continuous blockers. Pretty easy to do.

[@Broken_Savior]

Constant Blocking might as well not exist. Players will learn how to nullify it in under a week.

[@logangoerks236]

@@Broken_Savior I think its mainly for 1v3 situations or when it becomes really cramped like on the Lionspire bridge.

[@AnimeFan9833]

@@Broken_Savior Still nice for beginners getting into the game and trying to play defensive

[@maxeisenach1771]

@@wilhelmscream6834 Nope, doesn't work. You can still block if an enemy does this.

[@gregtestagent]

You forgot environmental hazards and traps. There are certain things on maps that you can interact with that will either kill you or your opponents that are in range of these machinations. Fighting near gallows can inadvertently hang players near the nooses. There are castle traps that are built in, like lever activated large trap door platforms and overhead deadfall traps.

[@putridkoda]

So basically Chivalry 2 is going to be about casual teamplay and not salty duels 24/7? Count me in.

[@Khalkara]

Doubtful, the OG whiners of feints and not dying to a 1v1 came from chiv1.

[@swft89]

Yes PLEASE

[@memesarekey5366]

I guess you didn't play chiv 1

[@KineticSymphony]

Yes and no. This screams to me, easy to learn, hard to master. Lots of depth for competitive duels, but still giving more ease of access for casual team players.

[@krakgame]

@@Khalkara Well, feints in this game dont seem that strong now, but i guess whiners will find another thing to cry about, like punches or skills idk.

[@EarthtoAdam95]

I feel like chiv 2 will be a more fun experience where you can just chill and play with friends and have a good time. Mordhau has turned into a sweat fest and you can’t have a good time unless you’re try harding

[@cosmikowl261]

I think the complete opposite thing will happen. Mordhau is goofy and just from this videos title we know that chivalry 2 is adding 10 new mechanics. You're kidding yourself if you think this game will be less sweaty my friend.

[@cosmikowl261]

That being said I'm excited af for this game lol

[@golemcigar5811]

Didn't chivalry 1 also turn into a sweaty mess

[@EarthtoAdam95]

@@cosmikowl261 mordhau is goofy aye but you have unlimited freedom to create the sweatiest classes. At least with chiv you’re limited to certain classes, yes ofc you’ll get pure sweat lords but don’t think it’s gonna be such a steep skill gap as mordhau just because of the lack customisation/perks etc

[@EarthtoAdam95]

@@golemcigar5811 it did for the time, but compare that to how mordhau is now. Mordhau opened up a new realm of sweat lol

[@dannyavarice]

10:16 Those damn ankle biters man. They'll getcha.

[@ghostfaced4893]

Anyone notice at 6:27 the random blue getting absolutely tossed into the wall?

[@carljohnston5876]

Apparently Archers absolutely c**t you into stuff if they kill you.

[@quinnbattle202]

LMAOOO thank you

[@yorukage5926]

I don't see it

[@vodkatlongtail9164]

Honestly from the sounds of it, Chivalry 2 is going to fix all of the issues i've had with the games up to this point. I'm actually looking forwards to it.

[@Halogeek-zq7yr]

Personally, i see Chiv 2 as the game ill be playing with friends on the console when just wanting to have a good time, while Mordhau will be the game i solo play to hone my skills and delv into loadouts

[@darkeather2]

10:12 This part alone has convinced me the game needs some kind of pve zombie mode. That looks horrifying and I love it.

[@thatboyflako214]

Right they should do something Like that for October release like a special zombie mode where you gotta defend yourselfs from a horde of zombies

[@norrecvizharan1177]

@@thatboyflako214 Or maybe they could do something similar to what they had in the past game, where it was a crypt full of skeletons, ghosts, and orcs that all kept spouting shitty puns as you fought them in an enclosed space. Having that with vastly improved combat mechanics sounds so fun to me.

[@priyank1811]

I think making a game more accessible is only ever gonna profit it , a game can be noob friendly yet fun and competitive . Something battlefield v didnt think was possible .

[@kriegjaeger]

1: Constant block- Agreed that's a great idea. Lower skill floor. 2: Classes- Nice, at first glance you might think fewer options than Mordhau but that tended to revolve around metas anyhow 3: Abilities- Good point on the firepots. Tweaking will be easier 4/5: Healing/Downed- As you point out, keeps the fight going and more gameplay opportunities than ends. 6: Tackle/sprint attack- Maybe better than the catch up system in mordhau. 7: Dodge- Why not? And yeah people complain about literally anything but dying to them in which case lmaogitrekt 8: Heavy attacks- I think people will pick it up quick and like it 9: Jab- Not sure I'm liking this one in theory, we'll see how it pans out. Interrupts are annoying and having 2? hm

[@Samsunaattori]

Onething about dodge and why people felt it was cheap in Mordhau: In Mordhau, most players didn't have dodge, so you would default to fighting as if your opponent didn't have it. Dodge felt bad usually because it was a surprice tool that unexpectedly turned around an othervise even fight or because the opponent suddenly had more mobility and disengaged behind his team with it. Both of those situations are not annoying anymore as you know everyone has it and can expect it and you have the same burst mobility as the enemy

[@thesheeepjd]

Exactly my feelings. If there was some way to know "ah, this guy can dodge" before engaging, you'd be ready for it. But if someone just pulls out a dodge (which due to the meta, nobody expects) - it's annoying.

[@ashioteni6814]

Dodge doesnt even do anything it Just wastes stamina unless its a naked guy with a spear otherwise its useless

[@semagicus693]

@@ashioteni6814 Try playing against someone who knows how to use it and see if your opinion changes. Also, dodge was looked down upon because it was poorly balanced at launch, and dodge+spear was pretty much on the same level of cheese (or cacer, if you will) as the rapier+shield. Now that it's been more or less properly balanced, people dont complain about it anymore. Also a lot less people use it now, i wonder why.

[@chadhill455]

The short parrying timer was to represent the fact that to blow a blow in real life, it's not as easy as just holding the sword infront of you like a magnet. Instead you have to purposefully move the sword in the way of their attack. If you block high and it's just a feint, they can then follow-up by suddenly striking low. Vice versa. However the parry mechanic just means it easier for them to represent those mechanics without having to develop some sort of positional blocking, which would likely be a lot harder to do.

[@waldquellz3794]

thank you!

[@sissyphussartre2907]

Exactly, it's a PARRY, not an auto-block

[@Ey3contact]

They learned a lot from their own mistakes and those of Triternion

[@BoomBoomLou]

Looking forward to this game when it's more polished and releases on steam a year after launching on epic store exclusively in open beta.

[@AirsoftAddicted]

yup, no Steam no play.

[@deputydang8291]

I've been playing the closed and open betas quite a bit lately and I haven't experienced many issues at all. Seemed to be pretty decently polished so far. Only issue I came across was a latency issue and that was fixed a couple hours later.

[@1IGG]

Yeah, I feel you. EGS hinders it player base.

[@issurxozo]

The developers get a bigger pay cut on epic., steam takes a higher percentage per sales so you would be supporting the game more buy getting it on epic. plus you can get super good in a year then buy it on steam and smurf everyone with your superior knowledge and the lowest level lol

[@AirsoftAddicted]

@@issurxozo If the game will be alive after one year. For now, I'll stick to Mordhau. For as long as Chiv 2 will get on Steam and get better fight animations. I literally hate Epic Games for things they do.

[@templar1701]

Just starting the video but I do like the constant block idea just because I’d rather see more realistic combat and I’m no parry master in Mordhau.

[@RimshotKiller]

Especially since with kicks, shoves and sidestep hits there are still plenty of ways to deal with constant blockers.

[@demonfreeman3018]

I think it is less realistic as holding a blade up isn't gonna stop someone swing a blade at you.

[@templar1701]

@@demonfreeman3018 Well ultimately the two blades are still clashing even in a parry-like move but it is true that one blade is taking all of the force instead of both distributing it. I would hope a knight’s sword would be able to take a few swings though. It’s not like knights didn’t use swords for blocking, especially when they were being overwhelmed.

[@demonfreeman3018]

@@templar1701 no what I meant is if your holding your blade like in the vid, and someone takes a swing at it. The force of the swing is going to power through your blade and still hit you. Your should have to apply some force back like swing back at it or attempting to deflect the swing.

[@Potato6153]

@@demonfreeman3018 Exactly, parrying is knocking enemy blade away, not holding it up and waiting for enemy to slash at it, that would most likely break your hands. Mordhau is more realistic in that sense.

[@mineman2142]

5:20 firepot spam hasnt been a thing for like 6 months almost cause you can only take 1 firepot now, bear traps on the other hand are still broken and if 3-4 people on a team take 2 each in their loadout they can block the enemy spawn on their own

[@sometenrandom2740]

The fact that you killed Nosferatu Zodd with a sword throw made this for me lmao.

[@outsiders1994]

Love mordhau but its never felt right idk im hoping this is more up to it

[@aleksandar7974]

Same here

[@outsiders1994]

@@roguebogey have well over that was literally due to my love for the genre. After playing I can come firm this game feels 10x better than mordhau ever did

[@real-cr3qo]

@@roguebogey no it doesnt

[@jdonnelly1977]

Man... I remember buying the Deadliest Warrior DLC for the original. I hope they continue the trend and add stuff like that down the line for this too.

[@uppercutgrandma4425]

Oh snap, I'm new to the genre. What other unique DLC's did they add?

[@ladyinwight]

@@uppercutgrandma4425 thats it. also the deadliest warrior part of the game was really unbalanced and died really quickly lol

[@roguebogey]

@@ladyinwight I miss being a pirate lol

[@spiritmedia1770]

The kick is still a solid "interrupt" in that when timed and spaced correctly it can give you just enough spacing to start your attack and 'counter' theirs. Takes some getting used to but it's valuable.

[@tommyfortress7515]

1:40 dude just got a triple kill that sword

[@SimplyVanis]

Blocking with 2 handed weapons doesnt make sense. As the attacker will over power the static block very easily. This is why when the enemy strikes you, you do a counter strike against enemy weapon. So the blocking doesn't make sense not the parrying. But as a game mechanic, i dont mind

[@gergokerekes4550]

yeah, holding your shord horizontaly in front of you does nothing aganist a stab or a horizontal slash for example.

[@OlrikMeister]

FOR THE ORDERRRR!!!!

[@outsiders1994]

For Agatha!!!! ;)

[@victuz]

The Mason Vanguard has the best shout of all in my opinion. At least in Chivalry 1.

[@stefan1924]

@@victuz Nothing beats the Chiv 1 Mason Man at Arms.

[@hopper2612]

FOR THE BLUE AND GOLD!!

[@KingHarkinianMah21]

FOR THAT GUY WE LIKE!

[@zbigniewstonoga802]

As long as game won't come down to abusing weird animations and doing 360, look down, look up, spit while midair, do a barrel roll in order to make an attack impossible to read, I'm a happy man, I've spent about 300hours in mordhau and no matter how much I love it, the constant seizure drags and accels are just stupid.

[@llMavenll]

Same i want to get into mordhau so bad but i dont have the time to practice and learn and modify buttons to my likings and watch how i constantly died from some new random thing from a single flick of the wrist from the enemy. when i felt pretty confident to take them on in the first place just makes me lose patience so quick lol

[@AR-rg2en]

I just use horse hahahahahaha

[@Khalkara]

I just hope it will be a much more polished game, it is what got me in to Mordhau when it first got released. I LOVED chiv1, it was the first time I played such a combat game. But over time and especially compared to games like War of the Roses (RIP) it was super unpolished, you had to know console commands just to votekick an annoying player lol! Then in stead of polishing their game after release they seemingly spent all time on making the DLC (which I also loved) but which was even more unpolished. Meanwhile when I got in to Mordhau the UI and networking was much more polished and there is an integrated votekick menu! Animations were also obviously smoother and the game just felt like a higher quality product. The announcement trailer for chiv2 looked pretty bad in terms of clunkiness of the combat but the recent gameplay footage makes it look MUCH better and actually a competitor to Mordhau.

[@gergokerekes4550]

holding block is something that is only realistic in the bannerlord style, it defends 1 angle and nothing more, a shield would make sense for 4 degree coverage. For the others, well it is not better than mordhau imo just, diferent. It will get the same salty sweats in a few months just like mordhau did, it will get the spinner boys or another exploit in a few more months too, sadly this is the way things go. Thing is epic exclusivity so I don't want none of that thank you.

[@jamessantangelo912]

Parrying is the act of blocking an attack with another weapon.. Parries literally can not be held, its an act that is executed or failed... this alone is why I will stay with Mordhau, not to mention Chiv 2 being an arcade game where as Mordhau is competitive

[@arnoldoswarzenegher4105]

Are there upper line left| right strike, mid line left | right strike, lower line left| right strike + stabs attack? Like in Mordhau?

[@Fedsmoker-reborn]

Uneeded

[@EE-hj7cm]

No, there are counters in this tho. So if you hold block and match your opponents attack you will "counter"/block his attack while throwing your own. So every attack has an alt attack to throw this off. Example: hold block + left click to counter left click. If he held alt + left click and you block + left click it won't counter

[@gloomsouls]

I still think they should add more customisation. It's a casual game so it will be better in the long run if we can edit our stuff more. *(I just mean cosmetics only)*

[@MrRafabro]

From watching the videos I gotta say the combat, or at least the animations look waaaay more clunky than Mordhau's... And that's probably the most important part of the game

[@1IGG]

Have you played Mordhau? It's subtitle is desynched the game.

[@CommanderTavos99]

What always bothered me the most in these games was actually the blocking, if the enemy laggs they will always get pass your 0.6 second block and with a shield, you dont really do that much dmg. So it was a loose loose situation and I cant blame people for leaving that. The only good modes for me were the horde games cause I just love survival and u could farm there for cosmetics really well.

[@FuhqEwe]

Nice spelling. Are you underage or illiterate?

[@isawgod3860]

So no more getting fainted and when you go to do a feint yourself the lvl 100 all black night is just standing there laughing and looking at you? count me in!

[@KomandarmKnuckles]

Bruh, what you just said is not really a bad thing. They just learn to read feints, anyone can do that if they try

[@kodo2795]

High levels are still gonna mog you by reading your feints lol

[@alvideos2145]

Love the way the dodges look in this, really bob your head out of the way of danger XD I hope it is more useful than the mordhau dodge.

[@wilhelmscream6834]

I actually use it to get around blockers quite a bit to hit their exposed sides, or to reposition for a different attack. Then of course you can also use it to dodge. You can also dodge straight back to avoid a swing, then do a counter attack as well.

[@Magaboon]

Seem a bit clunky, hope they change that Love tackle and the special powers, not sure about the constant parry tho, the fun of Mordhau and Chiv 1 was the mental game with drags, accels and feint, and there is no need for that anymore. It seem they are going more for a "arcade" experience, but I hope duels will still be fun in this game And I will miss the morphs and matrixes from Mordhau

[@alvideos2145]

The whole getting someone to panic parry thing was bullshit, and not realistic, there are ways around constant block don't worry. I'm glad they didn't copy paste that same meta.

[@Magaboon]

Well I think realism is pretty much out of the picture with those games And as a long time player of Chiv and Mordhau I personaly enjoyed the mechanics around parry, it take time to master but its very cool once you get it, but I can understand it is not for everyone

[@mega0056]

This was a great informational video. Thank you for the in depth comparison and explaining the 10 main differences. I do like how we can dodge as any class and hold the block up. I hope this game does well. Also since it is cross play and on consols that means I can play with my friends on xbox. Can't wait to play with them.

[@Zalazaar]

You forgot the one about salty Mordhau fanboys complaining in chat how they're only dying because the game is not as "competetive" and "hardcore" as MH.

[@ladyinwight]

i think it would be the other way around, mordhau is much less ""hardcore"" than chivalry 1. the skill gap in chivalry 1 was insane, people would go 30 and 0 using only fists in full servers

[@norrecvizharan1177]

@@ladyinwight Probably didn't help that it was a little more exploitable in terms of hitboxes and stuff by comparison, what with the backwards overhead swings and all.

[@Zalazaar]

@@hellomynameisjoao I'm just repeating what they're saying

[@Zalazaar]

@@hellomynameisjoao the MH players in chat, I feel like my original comment was p clear about that

[@norrecvizharan1177]

@@hellomynameisjoao I mean, if you think about it, Chiv 1 was more unforgiving than Mordhau when it came to combat. You had much less room for adaptation and error by comparison, especially since chambers weren't a thing.

[@starlord_jay]

imma be honest, them making chiv 2 casual friendly is definitely a win for me, instead of fighting mordhau, it makes its own form of game different to mordhau, so there is competitive and then there is casual

[@alvideos2145]

Love all of your points about how combat is and realism, EVERYONE can dodge, holding your block MAKES SENSE, heavy and light attacks make sense and it adds depth, because that is combat, as well as punches and jabs, and kicks, and tackles ( because these are all things you can do in real life, and they add depth to combat)

[@robfus]

Plus everything is a weapon, almost, every weapon can be throw and even random object you find around, some of them can be used as regular weapon If you run out of options, you can even take the head of an enemy and throw it for 30 dmg or taunt with it as the trailer show.

[@dantevieyra3425]

And also various items can be used it’s amazing Iove this game it makes me nostalgic

[@LOW3beats]

in real life you can only 'block' a sword with a sword by hitting it with the same force , you can't just hold it up you will get staggered

[@dantevieyra3425]

@@LOW3beats true good knowledge

[@solthegamer3769]

More things ≠ depth. Mordhau's combat is still by far the more in depth with a much higher skill ceiling

[@Reloaded44]

As someone really new to Mordhau (level 15) I love the genre but I get destroyed easily the combat is unforgiving if you mess up a couple of times. I appreciate what Chiv2 is attempting by drawing out the fights and giving a bit more survivability.

[@LCInfantry]

This seem like a game where you can really git gud. I’m terrible but just started today

[@Reloaded44]

@@LCInfantry yeah man keep at it I just finished playing the beta with 2 friends it was a blast you can hold own a lot easier with teammates. If you want an invite to our Discord server we are starting up a clan of sorts casual 18+ group. ✌

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

I'd rather play Mordhau. Chivalry's now on EGS, so screw that.

[@Zerkovich]

Certainly not their finest choice no.

[@ghostfaced4893]

@@Zerkovich as a For Honor Casul, what's the difference?

[@Assdafflabaff]

This was exactly my reaction, I commented on their official trailers that I'm disappointed it's on Epic Gays and that I won't be buying it on launch. All i got were multiple fanboys coming out of the woodwork to attack me and defend Torn Banner as if I had just insulted their honor or some shit. It's a valid opinion and a TON of people are steam-only like me, but god forbid you say something "bad" about a game people like. I played the first game for well over a thousand hours and was rank 50 or 51 by the time I quit, I was looking forward to Chiv 2 eventually coming out. Now I'm not gonna buy it until it comes out on steam like a year after launch. We'll see if the game survives that long, looks a lot better than Mirage Arcane Warfare lmao.

[@kostasedison3267]

@@Assdafflabaff Ok but whats so bad about Epic's launcher? Just a few clicks and it'll be installed. Why are you people so stubborn?

[@Assdafflabaff]

@@kostasedison3267 Just one launcher after another, I gotta keep signing up for shit. Why are "you people" so insistent?

[@KXNG_BXNZ]

With the Raider, I only use one main weapon, I instantly throw the first the first chance I get, they do MASSIVE damage lmao

[@AbbreviatedReviews]

6:43 Knifed that teammate right in the spine... but at least it was a good demonstration.

[@tobias064]

It may not have ballerinas but it certainly has some holidays on ice. Look bardiche blue guy at 2:02

[@AEspiral]

I didn't get excited when they announced chivalry 2, but now after playing it... It's just SO GOOD! You forgot to tell that you can attack with stamina cost at all. And I personally have found the combat system way more deep than both mordhau and chivalry 1.

[@maxwellketcham9253]

Can you elaborate on how you believe the combat system is more in depth? I feel like with hold to block that takes out 90% of the chess game that was mordhau and Chiv 1. Drags dont mean anything since they can just hold up the defense. Feints dont mean anything because again, they can just hold block. I think the game is definitely more universally friendly, but more in-depth combat wise it is not.

[@AEspiral]

@@maxwellketcham9253 I feel the opposite, that the chess game is in chivalry 2. In Mordhau with drags and unlimited feints it's more a guess game than chivalry 2, exactly cause of that chivalry 2 duels can take a long time. But all the strategic elements are there. I really like chivalry 2 combat. To me it feels way more real. Instead of the guess game. In Mordhau Having the initiative is way too much of one advantage.

[@SiriusOmens]

I played a little of Chivalry 1 and spent hours upon hours playing Mordhau. Both in online servers, game modes, and competitive duals. I loved Mordhau for what it was and hope chivalry 2 is just as good

[@mw5769]

So the game looks worse than mordhau, has a more restrictive class system, way less customization, clunkier combat, full blocking instead of timed parrying. On the other hand it is more noob friendly and chaotic fun for large maps. Honestly probably gonna stick with mordhau for these reasons, plus I already see Chiv 2's clunkier combat going straight back to the spinning tops.

[@kisbiflos]

While it gives you less freedom in building your character, it gives you much more freedom in combat. Anyone can dodge, there are punches and kicks, holding guard makes sense and is also an extra move, there are tackles, heavy attacks, special attacks. Animations are clunky and I hope they refine them, but the thing is these are some good changes. We still have Mordhau, we do not need an exact copy of it, we can have 2 different games. Honestly I feel like I will go back to Mordhau only for duels and 1v1 while I will play team battles in Chivalry. Cosmetics are something I do not really care about, but we all know how it goes these days. just give them few months and it will be full of cosmetics. We will see about spinning tops, but dont forget you can just jab someone if their attack takes too long or just hold your guard longer.

[@Definitely_Melnyx]

Mordhau is a terrible game for beginners which will be its downfall. Played ~50 houres and had so many bad experiences and the worst part is even the beginner servers always have several trolls who constantly kill you. This genuinely seems to me as the way more appealing gameplay

[@bboyValentis]

i think the timed parry is more about the realistic oart of the combat... i mean, unless youre using a shield you have to strike the enemies weapon... just holding your sword up wont stop the blow, and the timed parry went into the theory of striking the enemy blow at the right time

[@leothesexylion3809]

Epic game store for 1 year then steam fuck that

[@hioxd]

What's so bad about epic, never had a problem

[@alvideos2145]

@@hioxd Nevermind him, he will never give you a logical answer, these guys never do.

[@ValidatedPerson]

@@alvideos2145 How about alienating fans and playerbase by putting it on another DRM only launcher ? Or that you cannot review a product just like on steam ? Or see playerbase just like you can access with steamcharts ? Or that their shop wasnt fleshed out and lacked proper search filters and functions and was clunky so they shut up people by giving freebies. I dont mind Epic as much but limiting games on platforms just for the sake of quick buck with those scummy practices no wonder people give them shit. Its not like GoG where you can buy game and unlike steam that game can be launched without GoG so they give you some benefit. Is that enough reasons to not like their store ? I think some of those points are minor but considering that Epic is not a small studio having to wait for Basic features in their store while they sign exclusivity deals its horrid.

[@midshipman8654]

i think the party window was more representing you actively parrying something rather than having a static defence. how you party for a overhand is different from an undergand. having the time elapse means you actually times a parry rather than it acting like a sheild.

[@donderstorm1845]

looks fun. i like the bandages. chiv 1 regen was painfully slow.

[@1IGG]

Unbandaged Regen is even much slower now in Chiv 2

[@mr.spaghettiarms1473]

only thing is is feel the combat does look clunky and should be improved secondly, no morphs and it seems like no directional attacks is a pretty bad it basically guts a lot of the variation and fluidity of combat other than that looks good

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

I feel like Zerkovich knows what games I like.

[@VideoGameJams]

The Raider is my favourite. It’s super useful to have two primary weapons. Bring a Dane axe and a messer, maybe you’re again a crafty player, just throw the Dane axe into his skull. Having a Dane axe to throw is honestly super powerful. It’s basically a free kill.

[@kreut5299]

I always prefered Mount and Blades block system. Not so much about timing, more about performing the right block.

[@spleeneater9481]

from the looks of things, mordhau is more duel based, while chiv is about the big battles and shit. Rad.

[@chadantonio]

And using whatever you can to kill the other players. Like anvils, barrels, boxes, fish, fire chickens. I'm already sold.

[@DanFarrell98]

How do the bots work? Is it like Titanfall where you’ve got a lot of menial grunts to just fill up the battlefield? Or is it like Fortnite where any ‘player’ could actually end up being a bot?

[@dantevieyra3425]

The bots are well u know bots and they are just ai so yeah that’s it also there weaker then a normal player so you can tell the difference :)

[@IVAN_ENT]

Disagree about the realism of blocking while mord isn't fully realistic ,holding a sword up isn't blocking if its in one spot (in chiv 2) ,mord was more realistic in that you had to time a block and the angle a bit aswell as it was coming in like you were meeting their weapon mid air as they are striking ,holding my sword on front of me and letting my character just obsorb hits from all angles is not at all realistic.

[@anubisfox5765]

Ya id say the multiplayer of bannerlord falls into the tps/fps competitive medieval genre

[@stefanmihajlovski1543]

In fact no, it makes more sense to be able to blok only for a second because holding your weapon won't do anything and you are not countering the enemies strike, any martial artist can tell you that. A weapon is not a shield.

[@terribletruth8201]

Another "change" (last I heard) is it's exclusive to the Epic game store for 12 months. So I guess I'll see yall in 2022.

[@DaniPt98]

??? Its just an game store whats the point if it is epic or steam ?

[@DaniPt98]

People that do this kind off coments are such a cry babies

[@terribletruth8201]

@@DaniPt98 I don't want 5 launchers on my PC. If a game doesn't come to the launchers I use, I'll wait until it does. If it never will, I just don't play it. That's life, plenty of other games out there. No one is crying.

[@roojackaroo8517]

@@terribletruth8201 it's literally just another application on your computer lol

[@gergokerekes4550]

@@roojackaroo8517 yes another application that had in its short lifespan more credit card data leaks than steam so far. Has a really serious datacollecting in the background and lacks a lot of the feauteres of steam. It is like saying : Why you dont get this car too? Meanwhile I have a good sedan in my garage that can perform many roles and you are trying to sell a 1980 microcar.

[@pmurple8874]

Chiv 2 is soooo much fun. I downloaded the beta 1 day before it ended. on those two days, i played 18 hours of it

[@jakekillify]

Is there any visual Customisation in Chiv 2? I dont expect mordhau levels, but changing helmets and such would be nice.

[@Zerkovich]

Yeah there's a bunch! Didn't have access in the beta but it's in there.

[@sloandive]

@@Zerkovich would you say it's a huge improvement over the original chivalry customization

[@An_Cummanach]

@@sloandive while it isn't out yet. From what the devs had been saying about it, yes its far more improved than the helmet and skin customisation of chiv 1

[@cursedcontender]

@@sloandive it's better. I played an alpha with it

[@jasong345tg7]

can you block the charge that knocks you over or do u have to dodge

[@Zerkovich]

Can be blocked yeah.

[@alvideos2145]

@@Zerkovich That kind of sucks tbh, you can see it comming a mile a way and just block it? >:( how can one block a tackle?!

[@robfus]

video tour can block it but you get stunned for a sec, bit also the enemy can'tattack you instantly, is more something you do when you know that your allies will kill him, 50%of your stamina get drained(block), not worth when you could dodge it, but if you are in a corridor and he is charging you alone, you don't have others options.

[@timofaust1315]

Hope the sweaties stay in Mordhau, doing their ballerina spasms and let us casuals have fun here.

[@michaelmathews4103]

we'll find you

[@timofaust1315]

@@michaelmathews4103 Arggh!!!

[@TheTeodorsoldierabvb]

@@michaelmathews4103 Get a job

[@hiiambarney4489]

Ballerina spasms? Are you talking about drags and similar moves? Because that was in Chiv 1 if I remember.

[@Glockmog2007]

as a chivalry vetaran i hate the constant block change and think it will just result in boring endless fights and low skill cap.

[@SweatyDynamite]

as someone who was pretty decent at Chiv 1 and who has had a bad time trying to get into Mordhau I greatly look forward to more of Chiv 2

[@heyimjack2533]

The problem with the dodge perk in mordhau is that it was a competitive game and it was a spamable move so in chiv 2 which is relaxed and is actively trying to push comp players away I think it fits well

[@squiddy7869]

i bet some vermintide dodging muscle memory could transfer here...

[@xerox782]

Thank you so much for making this video! I can't wait to play this with my friends. Mordhau is fun, bug god.... not for team play. It constantly frustrated me, that playing Mordhau with friends is pretty much impossible. No revive, insta deaths all the time, difficult healing, stupid respawn distances, bow carry-er instadeaths... Like every time we grouped up, someone would always drop dead immediately. Almost to a point where running alone was more fun for everyone. Mordhau is only good for playing with randoms. Chivalry 2 will be epic!!!!

[@russellb6249]

So glad they are focusing on combat that doesn't just involve feinting and dragging

[@flammableelmo4966]

Well mordhau FANBOIS think that's all it should be

[@ruski77]

Drag/accels are kind of a wonk mechanic. But feinting? Feinting belongs in every fighting game.

[@flymaskgfdss1097]

I like the dodging mechanic as well, because you simply dodge an incoming attack rather than risking collision or counter attack with opponent's weapon that could potentially hurt you and that's from a fencing point of view.

[@verbatos9498]

Honestly, I think the animations look a bit janky and hard to read. It's important to have good animations with a game like this and from this vid I can't say chiv 2 is doing it for me.

[@gallantsteel8542]

10:40 people are offended because dodge is cheap af if they are using short range weapons As long as you strike someone at a distance, you can just dodge backwards so their ripostes will only hit air. The only counter is probably to get in really close but even then, your hits won't be consistent and a good mordhau player knows when to kick someone.

[@citizengreyfox]

Why can't it be on steam already damnit, I hate switching to epic

[@aka6double0]

Its not even released yet bro

[@roguebogey]

I downloaded epic launcher only for the beta and I've experienced so many issues with it already like crashing and getting stuck loading the game library, it's sad really

[@aka6double0]

@@roguebogey I havent had a single issue. must be your PC

[@jumby_thicc6848]

Will there be class specific armor customization? Like the heavier classes being able to purchase different variants of heavier armor while still being limited to said heavy armor.

[@KomandarmKnuckles]

Most likely, going by the unlocks, even tho you couldn't customize characters during this beta

[@Falderal4250]

Yes. The different variants of classes have their own specific sets of customization for the armor (although it's limited in comparison to Mordhau). Knights can change the heavy plate they're wearing, vanguards their chainmail/gambeson, and footmen their half-plate/chainmail/gambeson, and archers their leather/cloth scraps. Here's to hoping they unlock customization at a later date, because what they had was limiting compared to its offshoot Mordhau, but better than customization in other games. One thing I hope for is allowing you to change specific colors within patterns a la Chivalry 1, but maybe they'll include it at a later date.

[@jumby_thicc6848]

@@Falderal4250 Thanks for clarifying. I can't wait to see what combos people can come up with. I myself will probably make some sort of Germanic knight, or something similar.

[@amirhamade9206]

Has everyone forgotten about War of the Roses, the granddaddy of all hack and slash arena melee games?

[@nasraliproductions2571]

free to play garbage

[@Darkstar198]

In my mind, the whole point to how blocking worked in Mordhau had less to do with you "arms getting tired" and more the fact that most weapons, by themselves, present very poor forms of passive cover. Look at the way the sword is held during the block animation. Sure, the guard looks good against jabs and left-sides swings. But the guard is open at almost every other angle. Your head and midriff are completely exposed. Wide thigh cuts starting from the bottom up are also open. A shield, on the other hand, doesn't suffer this problem. Just point the thing in a vague area of the attack, and it'll block everything. The bigger the surface area, the better this effect becomes. Conversely, the surface area of most weapons are so small, you can't realistically hide behind them. If I think that you're going to cower behind that particular guard, and wait for me to strike, I'm going to readjust my swing to either hit where you guard is weak, or feint into something that will draw your guard out, and get an even better strike. Now, Mordhau's animations are not great. Combined with draws and accels, and keeping track of what everyone's weapon is doing from a first-person view, and it's a recipe for frustration. Cheap hits are real, and lag can also cause whole attacks to just completely nullify. So, it's a kind of trade-off between the two games.

[@KomandarmKnuckles]

The idea of having everyone being able to dodge seems nice at first, but it's gonna get abused, it already is

[@Zerkovich]

It's really not that bad. There are risks to it. Like you can't block and dodge, so if you don't dodge far enough, you're taking a hit.

[@KomandarmKnuckles]

@@Zerkovich if you're not dodging far enough, you're probably facehugging them

[@kisbiflos]

If it gets abused they can just increase the stamina cost.

[@KomandarmKnuckles]

@@kisbiflos that's what I'd personally like to see on release

[@deadspicy2557]

mechanic: is functional this guy: ABUSABLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@erich5686]

Rumor has it, Ubisoft Sofia is dev an Assassin’s Creed game from the Crusader's perspective. This game would focus on Richard the Lionheart’s male and female bodyguards ( who cross paths like in RE2R). Start tweeting Ubisoft if you don’t want this to get canned.

[@viatka1966]

I actually really like the freedom of Mordhau when it comes to character creation, It allows me to create something that is truly Mine. Also, this keeps the replayability up, because you grind those damned coins to unlock new cosmetics, or new weapons for custom characters. I remember in Chiv 1 it was always the experience of coming in, playing for couple of hours, and leaving the game for weeks because there is nothing to keep you in the game. If the game has no progression, nothing to grind for, then noone will stay in, and I'm afraid this may ruin the chiv2 if there is no progression of the sort

[@spleeneater9481]

I would pay so much money to have a singleplayer game with chiv/mordhau combat.

[@Igor369]

Kingdom come?

[@spleeneater9481]

@@Igor369 eh. Kingdom come was kinda mediocre and not super chiv like.

[@nyanko2077]

For me the most important question is: is there an executioner's sword in this game?

[@DaniPt98]

I think they will put every kind off sword when the game release

[@pizza11536]

there is

[@robfus]

There it is, also an executioner axe

[@celtic9558]

Yes and no, the messer has a executioner sword looking skin

[@NoSongs471]

@@celtic9558 and that's not counting the executioner's sword itself

[@MarrsJ]

I think this game is going to be more casual friendly, and I dont like constant blocking, but as a more casual environment I think it works, while in mordhau it wouldnt because it's a more competitive/high skill gap game, and I dont think these changes are better or worse, I think they simply fit two different styles of medieval combat simulator games

[@jveerf8573]

Blocking can be countered by a kick in the balls, just press F.

[@MarrsJ]

@@jveerf8573 yes

[@KingZealotTactics]

Welp it's Epic exclusive, most likely not going to pick it up even though it does look entertaining.

[@pmurple8874]

Its gonna go on steam a year after launch. I feel like thats too much time so i just pre ordered on epic lol

[@AnimeFan9833]

why is that, not interested in supporting exclusive releases?

[@KingZealotTactics]

@@AnimeFan9833 Because it's an anti consumer stance, that and it artificially directs traffic away from it's naturally flowing course. Also I don't like being manipulated.

[@captainkiok881]

@@KingZealotTactics yeah the chiv devs gonna miss a lot of money not putting their game on steam

[@gallantsteel8542]

How is the 1vx in this game? In mordhau, your stamina can regenerate if you land hits or if you block two strikes at the same time. I'm a bit worried about the 1vx balance in this game.

[@partydean17]

Looks like this will be way more approachable than chiv 1. Where I get into a battle and everyone is just spinning around. They can still spin around and drag the swings but it may not be worth the risk

[@jasperzanovich2504]

If they can still drag around they will find a way to be a bladed spinning top.

[@gergokerekes4550]

give it time, at start chiv 1 also did not have abusing bs like that.

[@CyanDreams1312]

I like the constant block cause it helped me learn that I should worry more about spacing than blocking

[@MyViolador]

Please no more drag spin bullcrap

[@ondrejkarol]

Nobody metioning the absolute unpolished state of the game ? The combat is clunky af and the animations are jankiest thing ive ever seen for a game thats being released.

[@Redcloudsrocks]

ok

[@Sunstroke112]

I love the jab + tackle mechanic, I think chivalry 2 is doing a great job so far at beating mordhau on all aspects that Mordhau is lacking

[@mattm9584]

Eh, it doesn't seem like it's offering enough for people who are actually good at these games. There seems to be a very low skill ceiling.

[@StrengthScholar0]

As somebody with 700 hours into mordhau I can safely say this game is garbage for high level players because they significantly lowered the skill cap. Casuals should love it though

[@IYellowShade]

@@StrengthScholar0 literally this lol

[@ordinaryvideos3033]

@@StrengthScholar0 doesn't seem very different to mordhau I think you're just blowing smoke up your ass.

[@solthegamer3769]

@@ordinaryvideos3033 The simple addition of held block drastically changes the gameplay from Mordhau, so no

[@carpet7656]

kinda looks like they are trying to eliminate the idea of initiative within the fights. with held block it seems as though there has to be some sort of break in initiative to hit the opponent. curious to see how all this plays out.

[@msharmall7298]

I love every single change I've seen. This looks infinitely better than Mordhau. I'm so excited.

[@msharmall7298]

@philip tangwall I like a little clunk. I don't think it's really all that clunky anyhow, the servers are shitting the bed atm and that makes it feel alot more clunky than it is. Maybe for some it's too much, for me, it's close to perfection.