10 Gigabit Network Retrofit for Renters. No Drilling Required!

[@snazzy]

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[@XSTAYUPX]

Did you torture your wife to videotape you networking? You got a keeper.

[@bostok6]

looks like Arc browser

[@CotyTernes]

How about Vivaldi? Oh wait this is an advertisement lol.

[@MistahHeffo]

You told a LIE! Chrome/Chromium IS Webkit!!

[@ChristakyMe]

@@MistahHeffo I had to look this one up. Google once used Webkit for their browsers but abandoned it in 2013 in favor of their own version which was heavily influenced by Webkit.

[@drawer111]

2 notes about MoCA: 1. If you use a splitter, make sure you get one that supports the frequency range that your MoCA adapters work at. 2. Some providers (DirectTV is one) operate in the normal frequency range of MoCA and have their own MoCA "equivalent" requiring different equipment.

[@malrofo]

Also time warner cable uses moca to pass video for whole house dvr

[@kalmtraveler]

TIL DirecTV still exists in mid 2023. Bravo good sir.

[@MrSchimpf]

And the splitter used in the video is an absolute no-no...put good money into one that's high quality, along with quad-shield RG6 cable, not just the same cheap cables you bought in the analog age. It's not 1979 any longer, and why anyone still sells those low-quality Menards special tin splitters is beyond me.

[@fitybux4664]

3. WTF how does your cable operator not say "please don't spew your garbage signal on our line". (Especially if there aren't filters. And even if there are filters, they're not magically 100% effective.)

[@choahjinhuay]

The biggest downside to MOCA is the price. Adapters start in the $100range. Do they have proprietary information? I don’t know why else they are so expensive.

[@Col_Crunch]

Note about MoCA: While it is backwards compatible, the entire MoCA network will work at the speed of the slowest adapter on the network. So if you have a mix of 2.0 and 2.5 devices, the MoCA network will work on 2.0 speeds.

[@Nael000]

Just like ram sticks

[@mlies37]

I invested heavily into powerline stuff last month. It was a mistake. It blows. Thanks for spreading the word about that!

[@semi-senioritis]

It works for me because my home's cabling isn't that bad, the distance isn't too big and i can only get 200mbps from my isp anyways. So i get a decent connection i wouldn't otherwise be able to get without laying cables.

[@jameljami11]

Yea, powerline is super case by case, it definitely worked wonders for me back when I was in high school with the router being across from the house

[@hellowill]

​@semi-senioritis isp speed is not everything. You want fast LAN for NAS's etc.

[@JeffGeerling]

I like the quarter-round hack the best; never thought of pulling up a wood strip and replacing with that track! Great for some wood floor rooms where you can't tuck the cable under the trim. The inside turns are a little tight (especially for Cat6A or better), but as long as you don't have too many of those bends... should be okay.

[@kameshganeshan2894]

Get a flat Cat cable. You are sorted

[@AldoInza]

Would optical work?

[@ChristmasTvGames]

oh a JeffGeerling Comment

[@JeffGeerling]

@@ChristmasTvGames It's an older comment, sir, but it checks out!

[@ChristmasTvGames]

@@JeffGeerling you must've liked the video

[@erinwiebe7026]

Thank you for this! I live in a condo, an older concrete building where WiFi signals are easily absorbed. I initially bought a WiFi Extender to use with my Asus router, and while it 'worked', it never boosted the signal to something I was happy with. The condo has coax cabling throughout, and after watching your video, I immediately bought the gocoax starter kit with 2 nodes. With the MoCA setup, I'm now able to run ethernet to areas of my home I wasn't able to before and the speed increase is dramatic. I repurposed the WiFi Extender to work as a wired Access Point and my WiFi coverage & speed now makes full use of my internet connection. A fantastic solution all around!

[@Equinox2021]

I have a network installation and consulting business, typically we will run ethernet to network locations but there are some instances where that's not feasible. MOCA has always been our go-to for those instances and we've been very happy with the results. We like using the Motorola brand ones because they come with everything that you might need(cables, POE filters, mounting templates).

[@HydraInk]

Awesome, thanks for sharing!

[@hero3616]

Hitron HTEM5 2.5gbps is better

[@whodahellru8124]

I had my home spec’d out with coax outlets in every room, including the garage and bathroom. I feel like a genius now because this can help get rid of the dead spots and my unsightly access point and 25ft cable! Thanks for the info! I’m subscribing!

[@snazzy]

Welcome!!

[@chriswright8074]

​​@@snazzy10gb seem pointless like everyone keeps hyping it up like we actually get 10gb internet it's only for transferring files between PCs no servers your connecting to is using 10gb no ISP giving 10gb unless you paying an arm and leg I mean Comcast has 5 or 6gbps which honestly is a waste of money is like 300 a month idk if that's before a contract besides you have to have a contact with Comcast because you have nothing to take advantage of those speeds 1gb more than enough for anyone

[@andybrice2711]

You might even be able to use those coax cables to pull Cat6a cables through the walls, without making any new holes.

[@ihaveabacpac]

@@chriswright8074 you're not wrong.. but future proofing is a thing. but in reality we are 10 plus years away from the servers being able to actually serve us back 10gb plus.. i will say this though.. i live in rural Mississippi and the whole northeast part of the state has gig available ( no matter where you live. rural or otherwise) with multiple IPS's offering 2g to 10g already. so if it is happening in BFE Mississippi the big guys will hopefully be upgrading accordingly.

[@photon_4422]

@@ihaveabacpac Plus, speeding up inter-connectivity in your home is super helpful nowadays. Steam and Xbox have recently rolled out network transfer to where devices can download games and updates from each other. Would be super helpful in a multi console home where your connection is metered. Also, 10Gb makes having a NAS or a media server so much nicer.

[@philippemiller4740]

I really like how you take the time to explain and present the problem at the beginning of your videos. Really makes the difference to get me hooked. Compared to the one liners most channels do to explain or present the problem.

[@snazzy]

Thanks!!

[@EthicalAllele]

@@snazzy I liked that you went out of your way to present the issues with powerline adapters by showing us their performance in the best case scenario. You could've just said "powerline adapters are slow," but you instead presented it in a way where we can really understand how slow it is.

[@semi-senioritis]

@@EthicalAllele Should have added though that the powerline adapters need to go straight into the wall for the best performance, not in splitters.

[@legoboy-ox2kx]

Another option if the place you're renting already has holes in the walls and cables ran outside, you can easily remove the sealant and covers on the holes and swap out the faceplates for ones with 2 or more slots and run an outdoor rated Cat6 following the coax to another room. You don't have to drill any new holes and no one will ever notice the difference. This is what I did in my current apartment when I moved in and needed a line going to the back bedroom around the back of the house.

[@ottermanuk]

Bonus: when you leave you can remove it and give the landscab a water ingress problem for later 😎

[@dankspain]

I believe there is now the option of placing a tiny naked fiber optic cable next to the edges of doors and underneath them that makes retrofitting a wired connection possible and barely visible. I believe Movistar was testing it for consumers in Spain to avoid drilling holes and ugly cables.

[@anthonydiiorio]

It's called Corning Clear Track Fiber

[@snazzy]

Corning Clear Track is super cool, but it's still a pretty intensive installation and you'll need to punch through walls any time you need to leave a room. You also need all of the fiber termination tools which don't come cheap! Very cool tech indeed, but not quite within the DIY scope of this video.

[@dankspain]

@@snazzy Yeah definitely not a cheap solution if you need to buy the tools. Thanks for the info and the video of course ;)

[@bookofdaveandsteve]

This exchange was super wholesome and heartwarming 🙌🌈🌟

[@sarah1202]

I have similar setup like that. Fiber hidden in corner of the room. 10G between all switch with no latency and discrete usualy ;)

[@cyphenkore]

I have been using MOCA in my home network for about the last 6 months. It is as close to a wired ethernet solution as one can get without being Ethernet. It is fast and stable and that minor latency hit is negligible to the point of being imperceptible. I run VMs directly off my NAS with near zero impact to performance. I'll be watching for the MOCA 3 devices. I don't need 10GB to the internet but I'd love it for my home lab and server / NAS devices.

[@ThisIsTechToday]

Ha! I was just looking into this and found the same solution. Glad to have the Quinn approved method.

[@snazzy]

Haha smart man. Good to see you!

[@TheUnderMasked]

Last time I was this early he still was baby faced

[@LuigiVN]

on a segway about to do missionary work lol

[@chimastudios]

Easily one of the most captivating hosts on any tech channel. Love your channel!

[@snazzy]

Wow, thank you!

[@techexamined]

I’ve been looking at MOCA since I setup my desk upstairs.. love your clear and concise setup for it. Going to setup my WiFi with this too.. awesome video

[@snazzy]

Thanks, Mike! Hope all is well. 👊

[@blakelarson93]

I use MOCA for an upstairs home office. Works perfect.

[@janves]

Great Video! I watched it back when it was released and bought 3 MoCa Devices. It was very flawless! Now that I got fiber I directly bought a fourth one. Thanks a lot!

[@RandomGreymane]

Also for hiding cable in cracks I recommend a window screen spline installation tool. It looks like a handle with rollers at each end. One has a groove in it. Use that to just roll the cable under the baseboard trim or anywhere you need it to go.

[@mojajojajo]

Who’s paying $10 per month for a browser?

[@WilliamNeacy]

The kind of people that don't know what $10 is.

[@anthonybenjamin4311]

People who want privacy and don't want their data in the hands of big companies

[@KalphosZeromar]

​@@anthonybenjamin4311there are open source browsers for that dude

[@Mad_Snow]

If it’s free you are the product… but I agree with you

[@mojajojajo]

@@Mad_Snow why do you think they won’t be collecting your data either ways? Also, what’s so valuable about your telemetry data?

[@Pouimatiom]

This is crazy. I never heard of this before and it’s basically a no brained solution!

[@jaysonwilliamson970]

Modernist Cuisine at Home on the shelf. Vitamin blender. Thermador microwave. Nice. Quinn seems to appreciate quality in all aspects of his life, not just in high tech stuff.

[@snazzy]

I'm a kitchen snob, for sure.

[@RandyVie86]

I never hear anybody ever mentioning this, but there are these special flat wires that you can use to pass an ethernet cable through a door or window, i used them in my previous apartment, it was just a ribbon cable with ethernet on 2 sides, flat enough to fit through the gap of a closed door. i loved it

[@daniel19831123]

After browsing so many videos to try to find out more on powerline vs coax, I came across your video. So many other videos are done by people that doesn’t even know how to properly compare speed and don’t even know what good internet speed is. Thank you for hosting such informative video with such accuracy!

[@illstateofmind]

Some MOCA adapters are plug and play. Some also have bujlt in splitters for cable boxes, etc. Great video!

[@jurgenmichiels]

So, I never ever watch the inline ads, unless it from Quin, and I'm so glad I did because I just start using SigmaOS. I was always looking for a combination of Safari and Chrome so thanks! And even learned a thing of two, didn’t know about Moca. So good job Quin!!

[@bfth121]

I've watched 2 of these videos of yours and I'm highly surprised with the level of articulate detail you have provided. Many thanks for the clear explanations!

[@Itay1787]

MoCA is amazing!!! I use it in my home and my TV provider give MoCA 2.0 (500Mbs) for Free for every room you want

[@HPad2]

8:20 That splitter is fine for MOCA, BUT thats a big no no if you have cable service/TV/Internet. If its "gold" throw it out or from any big box store.

[@WyattUTFT]

I used MoCA for years and I can attest to it being no compromise. It was excellent and never had any hiccups. After initial setup I don't think I ever touched it again until I moved out.

[@ben.childers]

This is the first time I’ve seen a sponsor spot that I’m actually interested in. Quinn, would you do a deep-dive on SigmaOS and it’s features? Looks dope, I’ll be trying it out.

[@alvallac2171]

*its (possessive) it's = contraction of "it is" or "it has" *dope. I'll (to fix your comma splice run-on)

[@MickelMart]

This is what I needed! I just moved to a two story house and my office is upstairs. I get decent fiber speeds on the eero, but I really want a hardwired connection to make the most out of my 2 Gig speeds. Since there is already coax in every room, this is a great solution! Thanks!

[@tedsanft7420]

MoCA works great, I have the gocoax 2.5 for my Eero’s. The only big caveat is if you have Directv (Why?!?!), MoCA devices interfere with the satélite signal. (Best option is cut the cord and get rid of Directv, but if you must have it there are slower adaptors (non-MoCA) that work with Directv)

[@TechTimeWithEric]

I’ve been using ActionTec MOCA since 2017. I live in a pretty long mobile home with the modem in the front bedroom. I can tell you with 100% certainty that everything he said in this video is 100% correct. The back bedroom is essentially the exact same performance as plugged in at the actual modem

[@Guroji]

powerline user for YEARS>>> no issues EVER. Dumb easy to install no mess love it love it love it. Bring it with me to friends houses or anywhere i need to spread wifi. Its amazing cant speak more highly of it.

[@mrlithium69]

Thank you for doing my job for me. I will link people to your video from now on everytime someone comes to me with excuses about why they can't wire in.

[@mhaustria]

Great stuff, I did not know that one. I just had to do a similar task, but decided to go for home fibre. These tiny glass fibre "cables" are very easy to install, because they are super thin. You can pull them through your existing power lines or just underneath your carpet. I pulled a 40 Meter cable from the first flor down to my studio and gigabit works great, also the latency is super quick.

[@patricknelson]

Awesome video, going to be great for folks who don't realize MoCA is a thing! FWIW (as you noted, but to reiterate), MoCA goes up to 2.5Gbps, so if you're doing a "10 gigabit" retrofit, the max throughput once it hits MoCA will be capped at that 2.5Gbps speed, even if the rest of your ethernet is 10Gbps capable. I do have it on my LAN since my house is really big and I use it for a few spots in my house where I don't have ethernet and the WiFi signal is 💩. So far it has been amazing and I was thrilled to realize I had that option; I had no clue it existed.

[@TimoMM]

This was just the video I needed. Just bought a new place which has plenty of coax but almost no ethernet. Once again you're my hero, I'm staying super snazzy!

[@GrakUs-s8t]

I was passively researching all of this over the last year as I wanted to get a wired connection to my office, this is by far the best video on topic I have seen and I even learned a few things here (somehow I had the impression if you are using the coax in your house, you can NOT use MoCA, which I learned is not true). I ended up just dropping Ethernet everywhere I needed it from the attic. Not the cheapest option but definitely the proper one, although had I seen this video before I ran the ethernet I would have definitely went the MoCA route.

[@zagohcap]

I didn't need to do any setup at all for MoCA, it just worked, I guess depends on the adapter? As for security, you can get your own filter that you can put on the back of your cable modem very cheaply. Also they make splitters specifically for MoCA networks, a bunch of lower quality splitters could possibly harm your network speeds.

[@dandelfuoco171]

Recently, I’ve been deployed to work remotely for my company and my router is way too far to have a viable ethernet connection recently I was looking at getting a mocha adapter, but it was kind of underwhelmed by how few videos there are on it. I’m thankful to see you made one :)

[@duncanlawrence8214]

As someone who felt they knew about most options, MOCA is a new one and a game changer. Thank you!

[@GauthamThomas]

I love this dude. SigmaOS please note that this man has sold me on your product, looks great, Arc without the Chromium. Good job, Quinn!

[@hey8you]

Great video. I looked into this a few years ago when I was renting a room at a friends house. I went through 3 different powerline adaptors because the first 2 died after a year or kept randomly dropping the connections. Went with TP link(same as your link) and they worked but was slow and reliability went down when I added one for the garage. I later heard of MoCA and made an attempt to set it up. My friend had a Comcast guy come out but he never heard of MoCA even after I said they have that on their modem. I had a plan of using a filter in the incoming coax line to prevent the neighbors from possibility seeing my network if they had their own MoCA adapters. Then a coax splitter going to their modem and the MoCA adapter. After the brief chat with the Comcast tech, I changed my idea to separate the cable connection and only connect my bedroom, garage and living room(had 2 coax connections) for a separate network from Comcast coax. The Comcast tech cut all of the coax cables not in use in the box so I had to repair the ones I needed. I ended up moving 2 months later so I never completed the project. Its mostly ready to go but my friend decided to run with WiFi in the garage even knowing its never worked reliably there. I bought a condo and now using 1gb fiber connection through the wall between my bedroom and dining room.

[@flyguy8791]

Excellent overview of these options! I'm quite partial to MoCA for when I can't just run an ethernet cable - been using it as backhaul for a secondary AP for a couple of years now! Works perfectly.

[@TheRussellStover]

14:25 OMG FLUFFY KITTY!!!! What a good-looking cat! 😍😍

[@LaczPro]

I was this close to removing all the coax cabling at home since it isn't entirely inside the walls (but it's running at the bottom of them). This could give those cables a new purpose since we stopped watching TV that way. Nice video Quinn.

[@VanskyAlleria]

HAM Radio operators don't like the network over power because I believe it caused all sorts of noise on the bands, Electromagnetic interference (EMI). I know they sometimes add band filters, that stops it from transmitting on all but the band it's using, but I am curious if the power line network options still causes problems for radio.

[@vanCaldenborgh]

If you really need to use your power line for Ethernet, I advice to use the brand Devolo instead of TP-Link. Also just acceptable as temporary solution, because still slower, but much more stability.

[@snazzy]

A good suggestion! I'll throw a link in the description.

[@damiendye6623]

There all the same chipset so nothing more than firmware which is changeable

[@paulbeaucuse2092]

@@damiendye6623 Well, electronics are more than chipset and firmware. I am not pretending to know what Devolo does differently, but I think, it is partly comparable with DA and AD converters: exactly the same logic, but different signal quality and error rate. It has its price though, everybody has to decide how important network stability is.

[@damiendye6623]

@@paulbeaucuse2092 lol right so your one of those people that think more expensive==better. So tell me if chips and firmware don't make up the product what exactly does ?

[@paulbeaucuse2092]

@@damiendye6623 No, I don't think expensive is better and please read my comment again.

[@colororb4105]

I'm about to rent a newly constructed house (So new that I'm moving in the same week construction finishes). For some reason, the landlord decided to wire the house with CoAx but not Ethernet 🤔⁉️ Glad to learn about this!

[@VexillariusMusicEDM]

MoCA saved my basement. The family room was part of an addition to the house in the 80's and behind concrete... That's where I have my desktop PC and Xbox. I needed a hardwire connection and MoCA made it possible!

[@JoseFBarriosG]

Gran video. Justo estaba pensando en apostar por una red Powerline para construir mi red doméstica. Finalmente me decidí por una red Mesh Wifi 6. Este video me confirma que hice lo correcto. Saludos desde Colombia.

[@calebblankenship3133]

When I was a Verizon FiOS technician, moca was my favorite easy recommendation for fixing bad wifi. Any current FiOS router already supports it out of the box and you can use any moca receiver not just the Verizon branded ones!

[@simonro9168]

My dad in the late 90s put coax and analog antenna outlets in every room, speaker wire in multiple places, but only two phone jacks and no Ethernet. Though, for now Powerline is adequate, especially considering there's devices that in addition to Ethernet jacks provide Wi-Fi as well, and way better than any repeater ever could, despite Powerline's issues.

[@arranmc182]

FYI Most people are using powerline adapters use them wrong and end up with slower speeds than they should, when using powerline adapters when ever you plug them in resync them together so they can work out the fastest speeds as if you dont they will probably be running in the default out of the box state which could be reducing the speed you get, as most powerline adapters come defaulted to a slower link speed for reliability by resyncing them together they will then try to handshake for the fastest speed it can handle on your power cables in the wall, iv seen people complain about slow speeds then iv done a resync for them and boom faster speeds, remember most powerline adapters are defaulted to normally the slowest speeds available to them for maximum reliability not maximum speed so always resync them every time you have to unplug any of them and adding a new powerline to existing ones with out doing so can slow them all down to default speeds.

[@sarjitkaur2205]

As an Indian I have to say American plug look like they are so amazed 😢 and cute 🥺 at the same time

[@SwissPGO]

Coax coming back - I remember building 10BASE5 COAX ethernet networks as a graduate student maybe 35 years ago and now throughout can be increased 3 orders of magnitude: WOW.

[@Karma_komodo]

KZbin kept recommending this video to me many times and I kept not clicking it thinking you would just tell the story of how you out Ethernet everywhere and broke your walls and stuff. That couldn't be further from the truth and now I want to use coax on my home. It speaks tons about the title and the thumbnail, and not judging a book for the cover

[@TurboChad]

There’s a COAX port in every room of the house I rent so how do I know which port to use as the starting port?

[@transatlant1c]

Thank you Quinn! We have HFC for internet here in our mid-80s house in Aus but also as a result, co-ax in several rooms. I’ve been using unifi mesh for the last year but have been getting lots of drop outs and varied performance- I had no idea about moca! Will definitely give it a good for back haul

[@draggonhedd]

i use 2.5gbit MOCA in my rental unit to network mine and my partner's computer to my gigabit network in the basement. Works GREAT. mine required absolutely zero setup.

[@logibeak]

Just installed a mesh Wifi 6 system using MoCA for an ethernet backhaul on the satellites and it is working great! bit pricey for the adapters but worth it overall

[@DctrGizmo]

I tried power line adapters before and it was horrible. I’ve been just using like a 50ft long Ethernet cable from my PC to a router which is downstairs and it’s been great. I do want a more permanent setup though.

[@markbooth3066]

Powerline is essentially Wifi without the aerial, where your mains wiring is used as a wave guide to vaguely constrain that wifi signal. It even runs on the same 2.4GHz and 5GHz unlicensed radio frequency bands. We used to run a powerline network when we were renting and got around the same performance with our Homeplug (85Mbps) and AV200 kit as this video shows with AV2000 kit. I'd always assumed the problem with Powerline was that it wasn't keeping up with the latest innovations in wifi, but it looks like even with those innovations, home wiring isn't often able to take advantage.

[@13Cubed]

Fantastic content. It was great to meet you at LTX sir!

[@chaosfenix]

I tried powerline and ran into those exact issues. Didn't think my run was too far but ended up only getting 40Mbps which is honestly not as good as my wireless connection using unifi APs. I then went to moca 2.0 adapters and they are much better. Really powerline probably shouldn't be used anymore at this point. You are going to be better off with moca or any type of wireless mesh system.

[@yellowdogparty]

SigmaOS seems cool…but Arc is the best. And it’s completely free-for all features. Sorry to crash your sponsored segment. 😂

[@BoricuaFez]

Bought some MoCA adapters when I was renting a house, was able to rewired the existing coax cable to make it all work with my network setup. When I moved into my current house, rewired the existing coax to make it all work. Ethernet cable will be the next step but have to layout the path for ethernet in a townhouse setup.

[@alvallac2171]

*to rewire (infinitive, not conjugated)

[@CommodoreFan64]

I took most of my coax out years ago after I cut the cord with DirecTV, and got I rid of Breezeline cable internet earlier this year due to high cost, leaving me with only one coax run, so I had considered power line adapters, but like you said it's not the most reliable, so when I went with T-MO fixed 5G(my other option was overpriced really slow DSL) to save some money(i'm still pulling between 400Mbps - 600Mbps + down/ 50Mbps - 150Mbps + up with pings between 16ms - 40ms being the worse I've seen, with all that consistently), and had to put the 5G gateway in my front living room for best signal, I went with a 4 base(they come in 3 packs, and I got the 4th one used) TP-Link X20 mesh WiFi setup, and I'm still getting close to my speeds at the Gateway across my house, so I don't think I'll be running any cables across my house anytime soon. So yeah a proper WiFi mesh setup can still be really good if you don't have more than a 1 gigabit connection.

[@chaddimmack]

I installed one of these power line systems in my apartment yesterday. Wifi interference was awful. Slow, but no jitter or packet loss is a good trade-off for me.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

I didn't know MOCA had advanced that much. This is going to be a great tool for those with larger homes.

[@JadeAhlers]

Great video. Ive used MOCA adapters for a couple of years now and it was a game changer for sure

[@RandomGreymane]

Nice video! All MoCA adapters should have a MAC address on the bottom of them. You should be able to add a reservation in your DHCP server/router and it’ll automatically assign it the IP you reserved for it. That way you always know where they are on your network unless you change DHCP server/router. Then you know exactly where to go to configure them every time.

[@snazzy]

That's a great idea!

[@alaingraham]

In the UK, only the living room has coax you're talking about (in the UK we have 2 coax standards. One it the freeview standard, the other is the satellite/cable standard. Nicknames, btw, IDK their actual names, the one you want is the Satellite/Cable Coaxial cables, the most expensive kind). So a coax method isn't feasible here, so Powerline or Mesh Wireless are the 2 types most typical in the uk. You can still have a coax system even if there's only initially 1 point, you could expand it using new cable, but now you're running cable all over the home/flat (albeit still more reliable, and less costly than ethernet) you could get your whole home wired internet for about $15 + cost of the adapters and use a single run vs maybe about $60 ($40 with the advice I mention later, +$30 for every termination point. worth of ethernet + terminations, tools and in multiple runs (though if you use switches at every termination point that can also more easily be a single run, at an increased power usage and significant increase in cost.)

[@Rulerofwax24]

I heard about MoCA probably a year ago from LTT and was thinking about trying to use it for some parts of where I live, particularly as part of a wireless mesh backhaul. But a little later, my internet was getting really spotty sometimes and the tech that came out said our signal was droppping because there were too many coax splitters running through the house, degrading the signal strength. After cutting out a couple of the splitters, our internet has been much more reliable, but eliminated the ability to use MoCA.

[@JagerEinheit]

They do make signal amplifiers for coax, you do need to spec them properly as the cheapest ones used to ignore signals above a certain mhz and only boost satellite / TV signals, if you your specific internet provider if they have an amplifier they use when signal strength is low, you can use that to boost the signal then put splitters after it as you need to, also most amps will boost and possibly split the signal themselves so you can get MoCA working

[@JOFEGUBA]

I pay youtube premium just to get a 3min ad lol ☠

[@MrAwesomeaditya]

Get revanced, if using on pc get sponsorblock

[@MrAwesomeaditya]

Use sponsorblock

[@uss-dh7909]

Rip, brave and sponsorblock like others mentioned is where its at. SB bros where you at? I've skipped 12,975 segments ( 3d 22h 9.9 minutes). :D

[@heavypiano]

I was excited to try powerline in my home where running a network line would have been really difficult. I was running it to a HTPC and the audio interference was so awful it was unusable. Not to mention it was still slower than the wireless connection I had been using.

[@slightlyevolved]

MoCA, the ones I've used did not need any configuration. Much like Powerline, you pressed a button on each to sync them. Also, you want to put a MoCA blocker on the main coax going out so that you don't end up broadcasting down the cable lines. This is not needed if you don't have a cable ingress connected.

[@nickseamus7340]

Powerline adapters also trip arc fault breakers, which are required on most branch circuits starting with the 2020 NEC.

[@miscme7116]

It is amazing what speeds you can achieve these days with powerline transfer. I remember the days when the maximum speed through the powerlines was 9600 baud and the general consensus was that this represents the best technically possible speed achievable through the powerline cables.

[@mrwashur1991]

The issue with the power line is also because the lines have no twisted pairs. The more twists in a lair of lines in cat5 (also called twisted pair). You have the + on one line and the - on the other and they’re twisted inside the cable jacket. These twists cancel out noise and crosstalk. In fact the only thing that makes a cat 5 faster than a cat 3 and makes a cat 6 faster than a cat 5 is just the amount of twists in the pairs (this is disregarding the equipment on either end as that can be a bottle neck) Your power lines have no twists on the axis of the lines. This is why it will always be slower (plus everything you said). Another thing with MOCA is that you need quality cables, quality splitters that support moca frequencies (1500 MHz and above) and if there are too many splitters in the system then it will attenuate those frequencies too much (higher frequencies attenuate more than low frequencies). Also if the cable has poor shielding or is damaged or even has poor fittings it can let in a lot of noise. You’re more likely to see noise out of those frequencies as most frequencies do not operate within the moca frequencies. However if the transmission devices you use are using lower frequencies then your signal may be degraded if that’s the case. Also I wouldn’t count on your house having a moca filter as most moca systems are obsolete or some houses may never had a system that required a moca signal. Your isp may get a little annoyed if they find out you’re feeding moca frequencies into the cable plant haha. Although they’ll probably just give you a MOCA filter to help you out. You also need to make sure your moca network is all connected. Most isps don’t hook up extra cables that they aren’t using as it can backfired noise into the plant which affects the neighborhood. Sorry, not trying to sound annoying but it’s not always as simple as plug and play with a MOCA network.

[@TornadoBarrage]

I live in an NYC apartment with a bunch of SSID around me, I have FiOS and struggled to get the max speeds, however just found out from your video about coax cable connection, now I have max speed on my Xbox and PC without wifi.

[@gagnarork]

MoCA has been by far the best with little to no signal degradation. Now all my TVS and computers are basically hard lined.

[@pablomax9376]

Speed is the least of the issues with power line adapters. By definition, they put a LOT of noise on your AC lines. This can cause a lot of issues with various electronics, from humming and popping on your audio system, to wifi connected power switches constantly resetting. They can cause all sorts of trouble.

[@hateasuka]

super useful video, i install fiber internet for clients and they always ask me about these systems! never really dove too deep into how decent they were (knew power line was meh other than that had no idea about MoCA!) really appreciate this video as now i have actual suggestions for people lol

[@dhruvmini01]

Wow this is a video that I’ve been wanting for a long time. Super informative for us renters out there.

[@Username_CC_]

Bought a 3 story townhouse and went with asus mesh routers connected to moca and 100% worth it

[@proce09]

3:30 ish, those sockets will be wired in parallel, not series

[@howardbaldwin1226]

Great video Quinn. Luckily we have ethernet throughout our house! Cheers from AKL, NZL.

[@NickWindham]

But, are those the fastest available power line adapters? Also, if latency is more important than throughout, like for gaming, then Powerline is usually a major win vs Wi-Fi from a couple of rooms away

[@GSAproductions]

Yes, they are: 2000Mbps

[@fearisan]

You can mix and match powerline adapters to an extent: If they are implementing the Homeplug AV standard. Unfortunately the really fast Devolo Magic 2 powerline adapters are incompatible with Homeplug AV. However, you can use both types of powerline plugs on the same circuit. They won’t disturb each other. That being said: Powerline is highly situational. I have used it in a small holiday house with perfect, basically lab like results. Yet at home with many more circuit breakers its performance is abysmal. One thing you can try is having a phase coupler installed in your fuse box. If you are using DSL, powerline might also be a bad option, since it tends to use the same frequencies but transmits over unshielded cables, turning your walls into antennas. The phone cable itself is also likely unshielded. However, advanced adapters such as Devolo Magic 2 have options for compensating (V)DSL. I haven’t tried them, because I am using fibre, but they might be an option. Also I’m talking about the situation in Europe. Powerline might behave differently here than in NA. In short: if you can, avoid powerline. But for homes with only one circuit breaker per floor it might work decently well or if there is no circuit breaker in between your adapters.

[@Holy_Hobo]

Another option that is slightly more "invasive" but doesn't require drilling or holes is using existing telephone lines for Ethernet. It would have to be a relatively newer house that uses 4 wires of a cat 5/6 Ethernet cable instead of actual telephone line, but if you can see the full cable behind a faceplate, get some cheap tools and a KZbin video and you can turn it into Ethernet lines with gig speeds. Similar caveats with Moca, would be easier with a known central location you have access to and depends on implementation but it's an option.

[@TheJediRevan]

Quinn, thank you so much for this! I had to move my PC to another room and have been relying on WiFi. Appreciate the video so much!

[@TheJediRevan]

Finally pulled the trigger and set this up and it’s fantastic! Thanks again!!!

[@Werdna12345]

2:30 Quinn, do you still like your drawer style dishwasher? Curious who makes that

[@snazzy]

I will never own another dishwasher. They’re amazing. It’s the DishDrawer from Fisher & Paykel

[@killerbannane1000]

i know its totally offtopic, but wow what a nice Rootbeer. Looks stuning.

[@Sir_Funky]

The Moca nodes are a nogo.. As a CommTech here are the issues: 1. Those "Coax Patch cables" used in the video are a nogo... The connectors on those lines are not the greatest. If you need short COAX you can usually visit your ISP and get free ones, even splitters... 2. Cheap splitters (like the gold ones from GE) are known to cause ingress in the system, as well as creating MER/BER issues within the signal. Although you are plugging in the node by the DVR in this video. Poor connections/splitters affect everything attached to the coax. Example ; Ingress in a 3rd floor bedroom affects the modem on the first floor, as well as the DVR in the living room. 3. Randomly adding a 2-way splitter into your system isn't a good idea because of signal balancing. A 2-way causes a 3.5Dbm change in transmit as well as receive to you're providers equipment. In many homes they cannot afford that change in signal. 4. Companies like Xfinity have MOCA filters either integral to their ground blocks, or a standalone filter at the ground block. Specifically designed to keep your MOCA within your premise.

[@ozzyc1396]

If you had an On Q panel and your input/feed was directly to Modem would this work? Can noise backfeed through the ethernet device and cause for a notchfilter/ trap? (Internet only no cable box)

[@BNGamesYT]

This Lumberjack sure knows alot about Ethernet

[@MakeWeirdMusic]

Definitely getting some "I think you should leave" vibes on a couple of lines of dialogue in this video.

[@snazzy]

I do admit I’ve been watching it a lot.

[@upside.down.gonzalo]

And how do you run the Ethernet through doors without making a hole?

[@Dustmix]

You can actually use different branded powerline adapters, they just need to use the same protocol. Also you can mod some powerline adapters to use 2 wires not connected to mains (like phone lines) making the connection stronger in homes where coax and long ethernet runs are not a solution