10 Greenback Reissues and Clones | Pros and Cons Part 1 |

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[@SuperGaryBurns]

This is beyond science. Brilliant stuff !

[@jcoulter43]

The detail that Maestro Johan goes into knows no bounds! Great stuff 😎🎸👍

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks my friend!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks my friend, glad to hear it

[@imeqsmd]

Thank you sincerely Johan, for offering such a high level of crucial information in your videos. You truly are a blessing sir.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks, makes my day to hear that!

[@douglasmayhall8279]

as long as you keep saying "let's go" with the sparkle in your eyes, things are all good, johan.. marshall on bro

[@thenameless3271]

Somehow you knew what I've been wondering lately, excited for this video to drop! Thank you!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks man, glad to hear it!

[@deadsoundradio]

Thank you Johan for doing all the research for us. Greatly appreciated!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Glad to hear it

[@leiferickson3183]

This is great work! I really appreciate the measurements - lots of good info in those. I am totally looking forward to the next parts. Thanks!!!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Leif! I’m glad to hear that

[@davidfauremusic]

Always well-made, always compelling. I'm so inspired !!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks David! Really good to hear that

[@LittleAng]

One of your greatest videos ever!! Adressing thoughts that I’ve had myself, glad you’re doing the work ☺️ Soo looking forward to the next one 😍😍😍

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks, makes my day to hear that!

[@shotgunrebels]

Super badass. Looking forward to this series.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks! Really good to hear that

[@jacob_miller]

Can’t wait!

[@picksalot1]

Brilliant video, presented clearly with the critical information nicely compared between the different Speakers. The Frequency Charts really help identify where tonal characteristics are coming from, and should make dialing in tones easier. Looking forward to watching this series of videos. Thanks for doing all the work. 👍

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks, really good to hear that!

[@mrthunder8190]

I'm deeep down the speaker and cabinet wormhole, for decades...It's like finding the right set of pickups for a particular guitar, or the right neck. They really do make a difference. You find a cabinet and speaker combo that works for a particular head, and it's a "Eureka!" moment! One such moment I had was a Fender DBFRI through a 2x12 closed cab loaded with 1976 Celestion blackback 55hZ 30 watters....It just worked. And those speakers can be offensive. But, everyone's hearing is different, so it's all about finding "Your Sound". I'm a fan of 25 watt greenbacks, but know there are excellent, affordable options. It takes time, so much time...Johan certainly offers excellent guidance and clues, as to what we might like. A treasure trove of information, much appreciated, Johan!

[@rickya3877]

I'm so happy you're doing this... can't wait to see how my favorite (Scumback) sounds next to everything else... your channel is the best!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Ricky!

[@murdock8068]

I've got the Eminence Gb128. Seeing as how I live in Kentucky close to Eminence Kentucky I had to have one. In my unprofessional opinion it sounds great. I just purchased a reissue made In UK celestion greenback to add to my 2x12 vertical cab with v30 at the bottom and the greenback added to the top. Can't wait to try it out once the family leaves..

[@JohanSegeborn]

Cool, I’m getting one too

[@murdock8068]

@@JohanSegeborn Awesome Johan! Can't wait to see the demo sir.

[@imcttunome]

I love the athletic tape on your glasses, Johan! I've done the same for decades, haha!! And thank you for this video . . . great work.

[@amoruzz]

Good science, thank you. 👍👍

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks! Glad to hear it

[@vl292]

Now this is getting interesting!! Great video, thanks!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Glad to hear it

[@richard66754]

I think what makes Celestion greenbacks so good with old Marshall’s is that they have a really crisp and detailed top end. I’ve got a 4x12 loaded with the 25 watt reissues, and love it.

[@FendCore]

I feel honored how much confidence you put in my last comment that make you buying the Mod-35 now. It's not just greenback like it's also half the price + very light + low efficiency... I also have Celestion modern greenbacks in a CAA 412 that has been my main cab for at least 15 years. The Greenbacks sounds better than the MOD-35 but considering all the pros listed above, they definitely worth the try. Can't wait for the second part! 😍😍 Oh and I'm a big datasheet enthusiast too, but I often felt a difference between the frequency charts and what I can hear in front of the speakers. Sometimes huge ones. Like the one you seems to feel when comparing the G12T75 curve... Thank you 🙏🙏

[@JohanSegeborn]

Glad to hear it! I’m gonna include it but I worry that the narrower voice coil is gonna be a problem. Actually only the Nighthawk has the same diameter as the G12M but it’s higher power

[@albertorobinson7611]

I love those videos😊😊

[@alanst.4417]

Hi Johan! I'm really excited about this upcoming project! Thanks for your scientific approach and all the useful information. That's what I love about your channel! Wonder which one of the current speakers is going to come closest to the Pulsonic ones. Can't wait to see the overlayed frequency respomses! My expectations are probably highest from the Scumback, EVH and Warehouse, but one never knows. It's very cool that you're actually going to buy the speakers! I know it's already demanding enough and some would argue that Celestion is already getting too much attention, but I'm kinda surprised there's no Creamback among the chosen ones, as it may be the most frequently used current speaker from the Celestion Greenback family (at least in Thomann charts) and should be in the ballpark, too... Had to revisit the video to digest all the information and have look at the doping influence before posting. Cheers!

[@Reli502]

Hi Johan, thanks for all your work and great videos! Comparing the Frequency Responce the celestion Midnight 60 seems to correspond even better than the greenback to the orignal old one

[@leiferickson3183]

YES!

[@punottedbumhucker3974]

I read a comment that Celestion confirmed the EVH and G12M Heritage (20W-75Hz) are exactly the same Speakers and i can confirm that they sound similar in my 212 cabinet. Great speakers for the price and nice looking too.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks!

[@alanst.4417]

Thanks for the info! I thought so from the specs and comparisons I've heard, but wasn't completely sure...

[@semdallinga69]

I've been wanting to request this type of vid for a so long! I'll be waiting for the shootout, have a good one Johan!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Sem! Glad to hear that, have a good one you too!

[@franerakic6875]

Im really excited this is happening! Modern Jensens are hidden gems. Most underrated speakers in production. Nighthawk and P12Q are best of bunch (i've tried). However I think you should measure Pulsonics, blackbacks etc on IEC baffle with measurement mic. 1x1m plywood and cheap superlux ecm microphone are more than enough to unveil true response of pulsonics.. Documenting reponses of all those iconic speakers would be immense contribution to community. Maybe a project to consider in the future? P.S. I think you should contact Ignazio from Jensen, I'm pretty sure they would be happy to send you some samples for demo. Cheers! Frane

[@qddk9545]

I make a lot of measurements on HiFi speakers, and I can for sure say that you can not use frequency response measurement from different manufactures for anything on guitar speakers, you can compare Celestion to Celestion, Jensen to Jensen ... but that is it. To be able to compare response curves, the following things have to be standardized, which they are not, and the manufactures don´t supply information about how they do them: - The cabinet has to exactly the same size, with the same opening placed the at the same spot, or closed back - The placement in a room can make a big difference on the response - The recording equipment has to be exactly the same type, and the mic setup has to be the same - The amp should probably also be the same, because of damping factor etc. - The speaker has to have the same impedance, because response differs from for instance 4 to 8 to 16 (see that on Jensen´s datasheets). The windings on the output transformer likewise. - The curves need to have the same response smoothing. A real response curve looks much different (much badder). The Thiele / Small parameters (short T/S) have a lot to do how a speaker perform in different cabinets. So a speaker that sounds good in an open cab, does not necessarily sound good in a closed cab. That has something to do with magnet strength, Q-values and Vas (how firm/soft the surrounds are basically). So that is a tough thing to compare, unless you measure them all by yourself. But it was a good try 🙂

[@MarkB.Guitar]

Hi Johan, very interesting and informative video, I can't wait to hear and see the results! 🤓 I'd be very interested to hear the WGS Invader stacked up against all these speakers, too. I've got a pair in a 2x12 and they sound very similar to 20w Greenbacks to my ear! Can't wait to see how it all turns out 😊

[@juliusmanno337]

Would love to hear that EVH Celestion as I use to own a 1974x combo and that 20 watt speaker in there really sounded gr8! Thanks Johan for doing this work!!

[@JohanSegeborn]

I’m geting the EVH for sure! Cheers

[@OgamiItto70]

Great video. Plenty of good ideas and info. And I'm very much looking forward to subsequent videos on this topic; the "proof is in the playing" sequel(s) to this video as well as the hinted-at testing of other clones of classic speakers of the illustrious "classic rock" era. I know the tone I'm after and I have eventually managed to get a good idea of what components to use to get it, but there are so many variables and so much misinformation (when there is any information at all) on specs and response that sorting out the calculus of tone can be incredibly difficult and frustrating if you're looking for a specific sound. Good, even excellent tone is readily achievable with just a relative few datum points to guide you, but _specific tones_ are much more illusive. Add budgetary concerns over not being able to swing the premium for obtaining antique, sought-after amps and speakers adds to the difficulty. This is why I subscribed to this channel however many years ago.

[@juliusmanno337]

Thank you for doing this work Johan! Very interesting because the new speakers are really not that bad sounding if you can eq out some of the harsh frequency in the upper mids and highs and carve out some fizziness I think the new speakers are quite doable!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Julius!

[@craigshewchuk9018]

I dig the reissue greenback I have. Not my most used speaker tho. I have played through original 74 green and black backs. I liked both of them, both have a great sound

[@michaelrash1478]

Weber does offer pre-breakin, you just have to ask for it in the comments when you order. Looking forward to this.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Michael! Very good feedback!

[@MatthewTomich]

I was just wondering about this!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Glad to hear it

[@franerakic6875]

By looking trough the graphs on Celestion site, Rocket 50 looks like best pulsonic match. It has significant drop at 6khz just like pulsonics. It was the speaker Dumble chose for Tweedle Dee amplifier. Might be interesting speaker..

[@Twobarpsi]

What an epic shopping spree! Can't wait for these videos. However, I find it odd that you consider V30s ear piercing! I find the V30s are great for soaking up the high frequencies. All of my half stacks, and 2x12 cabinets have V30s. I run both Marshall and Mesa amps, and flat out love the tone. V30s are way darker than the factory loaded Marshall 4x12 cabinets, to my ears.

[@eddieholmes3236]

This is why the internet was created.

[@Twobarpsi]

🤘

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks my friend!

[@stevencancel1727]

I liked the sound of heavy doping vs light doping, heavy doping drastically increases the " PUNCH" in the driver, also as a sound engineer did a side by side with my favorite JBL vs McCauley 15" drivers and the McCauley with the much thicker and heavier cone tore up my JBL's real bad

[@stevencancel1727]

Hope you can show us the graph of the awesome pulsonic G12M 75hz vs modern EVH Greenback overlay

[@peterschmidt9942]

It's good to see the frequency responses and comparing them. That's one good thing that celestion does on their site is comparing their speakers. Not so great when you're comparing other brands like Jensen, WGS etc. When you were playing your clips, I was surprised how close the WGS green beret sounded to most of the greenbacks regardless of year

[@mariomiklewicz3785]

I'm absolutely curious. Especially on the Jensen. I am a big Jensen fan but never get to try the mod series. Great Job Johan👍

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Mario!

[@calebkey2050]

I’m a huge fan of the mod speakers. I have a pair of mod-50’s in a 4x12 sized 2x12 and they’re fantastic. They pair really nicely with higher wattage amps that need pushed a bit to sound right, they’re a bit quieter than a Celestion. And cheaper. A lot cheaper, and cheap is always good, right…? They’re dramatically lighter than a Celestion too. Going from four G12T-75’s to these two mod-50’s in the same cab made a HUGE difference in weight. I have cabs half the physical size of that one that weigh more I love Celestions and I’ll always have a few around, but as long as Jensen keeps making the mod series, I don’t see myself buying Celestions in the future. I think I’m a Jensen guy now, never thought I’d see the day…

[@ElmoSyr]

Interesting stuff! Thanks for the great content! The thing that does bug me a bit, is that there is no error margin mentioned in those factory measurements. As in we don't know how much 2 same model speakers could be apart from each other. In high quality microphones, the tolerance is usually around +-1dB per frequency, which is really little. I would guess that in guitar speakers it is a lot more than that. More to the grounds of +-2-5dB which would already be really significant. But we would need to measure multiple speakers to determine that...

[@JohanSegeborn]

I think the repeatability is pretty good actually

[@johnrice5707]

Webber legacy speaker is their custom greenback. Can pick power, impedance, magnet size, dope, and dust cap. Also 55 or 75 hz.

[@alankozak2063]

i've been using the "overlay" method to compare speaker response patterns for a few years now and found it effective and also a very simple way to compare speakers without needing to purchase all of them. this of course coupled with watching online demos and/or videos like this one is all i need to help me decide. thanks johan for affirming this approach and also for your fantastic videos. your work is always inspiring and highly informative. i thoroughly enjoy your playing too. keep on rockin' it man :)

[@sg-ou4ql]

This is great! I'm actually looking to get a new greenback for my 4x12. Couldn't have been more on time. So far I'm leaning towards the EVH, but let's see. Thanks.

[@GabeHelma]

Me too

[@JohanSegeborn]

Glad to hear that

[@gojero732]

Maybe this is something for you. In this video of Spectre sounds studio’s he is comparing a EVH with a Hempback. And then together in a 4x12 cabinet. Sounds interesting. The EVH sounds wonderful. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6HUaKepgJKekM0

[@sebastianmunoz2960]

YESSSSSS!!!YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS!!!

[@gvp]

I recently replaced a pair of Eminence GB-128 with Celestion G12-M Blackbacks from 1976. The blackbacks have a more pleasant and tamed mid-high range and plenty of bottom end (to the point that I raise the treble quite high with them). I still think the Eminence are great, a lot of high end spark, definitely like them more than the modern Greenback reissues.

[@skoorb1]

I've had the boiler plate Celestion reissue, G12C's in a VM cab, and replaced those with EVH's. I really liked the G12C's for recording, but I like the EVH's best by far over the other 2. They just have a great tone and feel for live work.

[@qua7771]

Is G12C the same as the Watchtower/ Hendrix speaker?

[@skoorb1]

@@qua7771 The G12C was originally used for the limited edition Hendrix reissue cabs/heads that Marshall put out around 15 years ago. Then they put them in the Vintage Modern cabs. As far as I remember, they were just labeled as G12C in the Hendrix cabs, like they were in the VM. Don't quote me on that though

[@qua7771]

@@skoorb1 Then it's the one I'm thinking of. The speaker was sold separately for a while, and Mojotone sells a rebranded 8 ohm version. I played through a 2x12 cab loaded with them at a friends house. I was getting feedback with my unpotted pup, but otherwise I really liked the tone.

[@bucknasty69]

Avatar Speakers sells broken in Greenbacks under their Hellatone brand name. They also have a Hellatone speaker that is a mix of G12M and G12H in multiple wattage ratings. I have them in a 4x12 and they’re great. Avatar also makes great speaker cabinets at a great price as well!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks! Really useful feedback!

[@heikopfister9739]

Something to check out might be the WGS Invader as well. Although with 50w it's not a direct drop-in for a Greenback, one reads frequently that the Invader resembles the Pre-Rola qualities better than the Green Beret. Maybe for the darker sounds of the heavier duty voice coil?

[@JohanSegeborn]

Interesting, I’ll read up on that one too.

[@markbois1713]

Big difference in the G12 H new and old. Not that one is better than the other depends on what you are looking for. Have a Greenback in a Nace pro 18 and I love it. Have a Celestion Creme 90 watt in a 112 Orange cab that I really like for my Kemper Powerhead also have a Redback still in the box. Used to use Vintage 30s for years but after getting the Creme found out I really don't like Vintage 30s. Want to try the Redback in the Orange cab but the Creme sounds so good with the Kemper haven't got around to it yet. The Orange cab had a Vintage 30 in it when I got it, it only lasted a couple of months with the Kemper pushing 300 watts through it. The moral of the story is try different speakers if you don't like your sound.

[@Ukwahguy]

Gotta try the Jensen Nighthawks!

[@JohanSegeborn]

I’ll take a look

[@ReWindElectricOld]

Would you please include some of your "sanded cone" speakers you did in a previous video? The sandpaper altered cones seem to come closer to the original Pulsonics than anything I've heard here or anywhere else. Thank you so much for my favorite channel!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks, I’m really glad to hear that. I’m gonna do all sorts of measurements and experiments with all the speakers. Unfortunately I blew the sanded G12M in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqS2dmCaiMZ9l80

[@rlboyles1]

I took your advice and sanded a speaker down super thin... a Jensen C12-R speaker... Much improved... definitely has a more vintage sound! Haven't blown it yet (1 1/2 year so far...). Now one of the best speakers I have. I agree that that is the pathway to converting a modern speaker to a vintage tone.

[@anthonydratnal1870]

I've never looked into the Eminence Legends, that will be interesting! Johan, can you get access to a 90's original UK reissue G12M-25 to see how it sits between the original and modern ones as well? 90's Vox amps might be the most common source of those.

[@matt6l6]

Eminence GB128 is a great speaker.

[@joshua0226]

We need a video on the “best” or your “favorite” obtainable speaker for a low watt tweed fender amp!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Very good idea!

[@thevagabond8978]

Hey Johan. Great video! What do you think about 2 Heritage Greenies with 2 seventy/eighty in a 412? I’m using mainly a JCM900 mkIII 50w. It’s mainly a budget thing right now for me. 🎸👍

[@JONNIE_ROCKER]

Mkt intressant ang t-75,

[@JohanSegeborn]

Ja verkligen! Mid är verkligen ett mycket löst begrepp 😂

[@vautrain]

Hey Johan! The Scumback SA12M55 you demo at 19:35 is an older “blue frame” that was when Jim at Scumback was sourcing from Weber. He doesn’t do that anymore and those old blue frame Scumbacks aren’t accurately representative of his current line.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Hi! Yeah I know. I liked the Scumback though. If the new ones are even better I really look forward to trying them.

[@vautrain]

@@JohanSegeborn I liked it too! I have a pair of current model M55 and M75 16 ohms in my 2x12 right now and they are great. I’m also thinking of getting a pair of M55-PVC for the same cabinet since Jim indicates they have a Paul Kossoff tone, and that’s a tone I tend to chase!

[@megatoneamps]

What about the Sheffield 1230 that Peavey used in the 5150 combo?

[@heikopfister9739]

Wow. Great idea, Johan! I'd love to use your visibility to push more clones and RIs of the 55Hz Cone G12M. I got some '71s of these and they are my favorite Greenbacks, but I only know about Scumback offering these. Even Celestion themselves let them die out after the black back era. Never understood that they made a successful G12H Heritage replica with 55Hz cone, but never used the cones for even a single batch of G12M Heritages. Would've been awesome...

[@stevencancel1727]

These 444 bass cones are available for recone if you have a blown celestion G12 M 25 watt speaker

[@heikopfister9739]

@@stevencancel1727 sure, that's right. I was just thinking about that myself. Still I find it some kinda puzzling they made a 55H, but not M.

[@stevencancel1727]

These were specific speakers used for PA cabs and bass cabs, possibly the fact that they were only 25 watts and perhaps small orders/ sales had to do with the reissue. the fact that the cones(444) and paper or nomex paper voice coils are available, all you need is frame - magnet structure, I have reconed some of the G12H30 55 hz with pulsonic number stamped on these reissues that are loaded in the anniversary 100 cabs with nomex paper voice coils and they sound way better than the originals

[@heikopfister9739]

@@stevencancel1727 Sure, that's possible and I agree those were kinda rare in the first years - but they had their fans, like Kossoff. But they also became pretty popular later on. When I find Blackbacks on the used market, the G12M more often than not seem to be 55Hz cones. So at least from the mid seventies on they weren't only in Bass cabs. The H were pretty common right from the start, it seems. I am fully aware how to get some by recone, but I simply don't get why there are plenty 75Hz clones, but almost no 55Hz G12M clones. For these are awesome drivers.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Heiko! Those M55 are killer for Strat! I think G12-65 could be had with bass cones 444 until they were de commissioned in 1983ish. Those were very dark sounding though according to the SoloDallas article “From Blues to Greenies and beyond”

[@stubbornoldman5834]

Since most of our heroes used greenbacks and many of them switched out the stock pups for dimarzio super distortions, maybe you would consider doing the tests using the super distortion pup in the bridge ? :)

[@marcherwig8060]

Some Mojotone speakers would be great to see too! They make a 25 and 30 watt Greenback/Heritage clone. They also have the Watchtower which is basically just a rebadged G12M. I own a watchtower and it's fantastic!

[@vautrain]

I have two 8-ohm Watchtowers and they are great speakers. They are literally G12M Heritage. However my 2x12 is currently loaded with a Scumback M55 and M75 pair, they are fantastic.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Yeah, I’m gonna read up on those too!

[@marcherwig8060]

@@JohanSegeborn that would be awesome to see!! Love your videos!

[@MatthewTomich]

The Watchtowers are relabeled G12C speakers, used in the Hendrix and Vintage Modern cabinets.

[@riangarianga]

@@MatthewTomich Some time ago I read about the topic that Mojotone actually bought from Celestion all the remaining stock of G12C, so you couldn't get these speakers new from Celestion any more.

[@antonschwanzer8129]

Hello Johan, I was wondering if you are going to do the G12H shootout as well anytime in the near future? :)

[@bonzology322]

the private jack according to those F charts is remarkably close, i doubt you'll find anything closer(comment made at 23;35)

[@cortmiller]

Weber will do pre break in if you ask in the order comments

[@dominikpohli2381]

hi johann ted weber do also a pre rola style greenback on the legacy series the legacy speakers are pre rola greenback clones with more wattage

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Dominik! I’ll see if I show include it too or if it’s in the G12-65 style category. I’m going those too later in a separate video.

[@dominikpohli2381]

@@JohanSegeborn maybe you also do a v30 category wgs and weber do also great speakers in that style

[@dominikpohli2381]

@@JohanSegeborn but ithink in the 12-65 is difficult to get an eminence speaker tbut sthe wgs et65 and heavy magnet version et90 are great in that 80s mid scoop style but the weber ceramic 12-65 had a bit warmer midrange but had this classic 80s hardrock metal tone

[@giorgosk2884]

75s seems very close to the g12m up to about 2k Hz and then there is a drop where the Greenback has upper bite. I guess with a good Eq pedal should be much closer after some adjustments. Interesting

[@siegfriedwashburn3484]

Hi, Johan! Very interesting, but I feel, I will stay with my stuff for now. See you! Siegfried

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Siegfried, see you!

[@stevesteve1965]

Can i ask you to also look at Harma speakers supplied by Watford Valves UK. They have a range of British and American sounding speakers. I'd be very interested to hear your views on them in a comparison test.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Absolutely, I’ll read up on them

[@stevesteve1965]

@@JohanSegeborn Thanks Johan 👍

[@dananthony6258]

I wish Johan had a semi hollow body with paf’s to do a Marshall tone comparison. Do you think the hollow body has more of a throaty kind of tone. I always thought that George try Thorogood got that punchy tone from that semi hollow . I’m thinking of buying a 345. The new Marcus King reissue 345 looks and sounds amazing.

[@joecooper7803]

Sounds like a good excuse to get one, so Johan can get his Alvin Lee on! No pressure ✌️

[@JohanSegeborn]

Hi Dan! I think the punchy dynamic quality of George’s tone is from JBL speakers and his great playing attack of course. But it’s just my speculation

[@taggmanibanez]

You need to look at Weber's legacy series, the legacy is the pulsonic copy. The regular British series is there Kurt Mueller cone.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks! I’ll definitely include it if there’s 25W version

[@taggmanibanez]

@@JohanSegeborn Great! I have a tremendous amount of experience with the speakers, if you're looking for the old 25 watt g12m, get the legacy ceramic, 30w 40oz. Weber tends to under-spec their magnets, when they say 30 oz it's actually 25, and when they say 40 oz it's actually about 32oz. I have taken these measurements myself.

[@Topnotchguitars1]

FANE UK makes some great greenback style speakers

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks I’m getting the Ascension 25W

[@stevencancel1727]

Exactly, V30 high mid undesirable in that area

[@isaactaylor3827]

Johan, can you demo a Diezel amp sometime?

[@JohanSegeborn]

Absolutely, first chance I get

[@void0094]

I'm about to buy an early 70s made in japan Guyatone reverb jazz 1050. It is an all tube twin reverb silverface clone. Do you have any experience with these kind of amplifiers?

[@JohanSegeborn]

I’m afraid not, I really their pedals though

[@jamiegustkey2573]

Aren’t these all the same speaker? Just with different colored caps?…. 🤫😉 I love the EVH 20W 8ohm... 👏🏻

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Jamie! I’m buying that one right now actually!

[@Funkybassuk]

Celestion discontinued the Heritage series Greenbacks at just the wrong time.

[@Panzersonor1967]

I have the Weber Greenback clone and I also have Celestion (Chinese) Greenbacks. Weber by a country mile. Not to say the Celestions aren’t good-they are!

[@michaelstankiewitch5391]

Sorry Johann your reference greenback frequency graph is from the 55 hz h30 reissue not the 12 m.

[@JohanSegeborn]

I pick it from the Celestion web site in the video celestion.com/product/g12m-greenback/ The h30 55Hz is discontinued and the frequency response chart is removed from the Celestion web page. Are you suggesting Celestion posted the wrong chart on the G12M page?

[@michaelstankiewitch5391]

Johann that's correct they are posting in error. The g12m greenback has a slight hump in the 2 to 4 k range like the anniversary not a drop off The h30 55 hz heritage is the only one with the this small dip Love your vids Johann "Let's go" lol

[@Mistershredd]

Pink noise. Most people are now saying "white noise" when thy mean pink noise. White noise is equal energy at all frequencies, which sounds trebly, like tape hiss. Pink noise is equal volume in every octave, which sounds like that "ocean roar" sound.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Are you referring to the measuring of the frequency response curve? It’s actually just a sine wave at each frequency. From the Jensen web page “The y-axis on the left is the label for the "dB SPL" curve. This graph is a measurement of the sound pressure level measured by putting a microphone 1 meter away from the speaker and running a sine wave frequency sweep from 20Hz to 20kHz across the speaker (these are the values on the x-axis - the axis is a logarithmic scale)” Let me know if I suggested anything else. I’d be glad to correct it

[@badmongleo]

I recently bought the Weber legacy 12 ceramic believe that they attemp to replicate the vintage greenbacks! Check them out!

[@stiffrichard2816]

I'm really pissed that they discontinued the G12H 55Hz. That's ridiculous. And I will not buy some Chinese version to put in my vintage English-made cabs.

[@voxpathfinder15r]

Spoiler alert, the legend GB128 is loud as balls - it will blow holes out of your walls and give you tinnitus.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Yeah, 101.3dB sensitivity vs G12Ms 98dB so more than twice as loud

[@voxpathfinder15r]

@@JohanSegeborn I have a creamback from June of 1974 and it doesn’t come close in volume despite you need 10 dB more sensitivity to be twice as loud. But we’re all comparing these speakers at 1 watt. I want to see a chart at 10 watts, 15 watts, 25 watts etc / right at the power we are playing through

[@darrenc8776]

Attack of the clones?