10 Horror Movie Villains Who Were... Kind Of Right

[@savagegardenrox]

I've honestly always kind of viewed Carrie as the protagonist, not merely the focal character. She wasn't a bad person, she was a damaged and traumatized girl.

[@pateris]

An interesting theory is that Carrie's vision of people laughing at her is probably not true (what's funny about this and her co-winner obviously wounded, you see city in the corner of the picture ?), maybe the whole massacre happened in her traumatized mind as well. When she gets back home, she mentions to her mother that "they laughed at her", not "then I killed 'em all"… BTW I like the subtle way we are shown that her co-winner, first reluctant, gets to like her…

[@SkyNeely]

Agreed

[@luisvelez1952]

Carrie is kind of like Michael Myers in the Rob Zombie remake Michael is the victim of a terrible family and school mates

[@pateris]

@@luisvelez1952 I respectfully beg to differ. Yes, Myers is a victim, but it's obvious that when he kills the only orderly who acted decently with him, he has definitely gone to the dark side, whatever were his reasons to begin with.

[@yanderedeku2902]

@@pateris I agree with both of you on this!

[@onionbubs386]

Idk what the general consensus is over in the UK but as a disabled person I'd appreciate it if everyone stopped saying "differently abled". Disabled isn't a dirty word. Its ok to use.

[@nothinkin69]

THANK YOU. I was gonna say that. Disabled isn't an insult. It's not a dirty word. It's not a slur. It's a word that describes someone with a disability.

[@sneakyhomecook233]

Howard was still nuts

[@Koheink]

THANK YOU People just don’t seem to realize that they’re just enforcing the idea that disability is dirty and bad :/

[@bwestacado9643]

Well the UK is beyond horrendous about censoring speech and will throw you in jail for using the wrong word

[@onionbubs386]

@@bwestacado9643 i thought you were being hyperbolic for a minute but i just saw a news article about an English woman getting arrested for holding a sign that said "abolish monarchy" and wow that's fucking insane

[@LittleRedTeaCake]

Ummm, Howard in 10 Cloverfield Lane, was a suspected serial killer. He had abducted and killed at least one other girl before this all happened. He was deeply unhinged.

[@lucretiamaggio6154]

True!

[@MisterTee]

Yep.

[@psbox362]

If you go through the supplementary online stuff that ties into the movie, it's revealed that Howard was desperately trying to get his daughter to come to his bunker before the invasion. That plan didn't work out. I'm pretty sure the implication is that he's been trying to find a replacement for his daughter, which is why he abducted Michelle and the other girl whose corpse she found.

[@kellywiebe646]

The whole point of the movie is asking "Is Howard insane, or is he right?" (Spoiler alert: the answer is "Yes.")

[@everlenaoliver6912]

IKR. Who, in their right mind, keeps giant barrel of acid in the bunker? That's pretty sus.

[@rachelsheppard9122]

Carrie White was more of a victim than villain in her movie. Her mom was a nutcase, she was bullied by her classmates, had a vile prank pulled on her at prom, and was learning to control her power.

[@crystaljones1935]

Why do I have the feeling that had Professor X had existed in Carrie's universe, she might have had a happier life. Or, failing that... at least one parent who gave a crap. Yeah, Carrie had her mom, who really was just another bully. But... what happened to her dad?

[@danielordonez1643]

So basically a school shooter but the school schooter has powers lol

[@cppblank]

Carrie's mom was the villain. If she would have just let her be a normal high schooler she wouldn't have even gotten bullied.

[@mattblank960]

Carrie's mom is the poster child of helicopter parenting. She certainly was the villain.

[@lucario2able]

And those other kids that bullied her for literally no reason. Like they had 0 empathy or compassion even when she genuinely thought she was dying.

[@richardtherichard26]

Uh… no lol… not even close. The bullies were the villains… did you never go to high school? Bullies are going to be bullies regardless. It’s not the parents fault that the child was bullied. That’s really makes me think that you were one such bully and are trying to defend your actions with “well it’s the parents fault bc the kid was a dork” you’re a sociopath. Please get help.

[@horacehalt4216]

Kids are cruel so we can't say that for sure. To be fair, I never went to school with kids who would be that cruel to someone to their face. Sure, they were mocking and petty but that was the extent of it.

[@cppblank]

@horacehalt4216 but being raised as Carrie was gave her a million times better shot to get bullied.

[@TheirWisecrackingUncle]

Regarding Jaws: We can blame Mayor Vaughan in the first movie. He was an idiot. However, the fact that he's still the mayor in the second movie shifts the blame to the citizens of Amity for either reelecting him (if there was an election in the interim) or not removing him from office.

[@carmellasofo8337]

If you read the book there’s more depth on why he chooses not to close the beach (not that I agree), because amity won’t have enough money to survive. They are a tourist town and need people to visit as part of their economy

[@luisvelez1952]

He should be fired

[@TayTayMakesBeats]

There's a difference between being an idiot and weaponizing ignorance. Vaughan did his best to downplay and cover up the shark attacks. Can't really blame the citizens of Amity since aside from electing a mayor (in the US money tends to play a big role in who wins, even in local politics) they have very little input into what that mayor actually does. I'd be more inclined to side with you here if elected representatives at least acted with the interests of the majority of their constituents in mind but that's exceedingly rare.

[@DevlinBlake]

The fact is we just saw this play out in real life. Not with a shark but with a pandemic. Tourist based areas refused to close because the area needed that money and the fact that people could die was unimportant to them.

[@phastinemoon]

Also, the fact that sharks can’t logically reason is exactly why Jaws was just chaotic neutral at best. Now, if Jaws had been a DOLPHIN! That would be a true villain.

[@Nightmare432]

Carrie is a victim of abuse and bullying, not a villian

[@ceasarcruz8312]

being a victim of abuse doesn't exclude being a villain...

[@davidjecmenek8943]

Mass indiscriminate murder of a high school parents, teachers, and students over abuse and bullying is justified now? CNN gonna be so mad

[@karl_alan]

I actually always thought of the other characters as the villans in that movie: the mom & a couple of the other students.

[@TheTonyahawk]

She could be classified as an anti villain. Though her actions surely puts her into hell, with her growing up fanatically religious.

[@robbiggs1512]

Carrie was still kind of an asshole lol she didn't have to put her whole graduating class on r.i.p tshirts

[@fancimcguffin2227]

I also disagree that Candyman killing people who had nothing to do with what happened to him was justified. He was also killing poor people. Jerk.

[@dragonlord498]

never watched it but from what i know i agree like if he came back to avenge himself on his killers that would be justified and maybe if only targeted those with innocent blood on their hands or to protect his descendants in later incarnations as well but specifically killing the innocent basically just shows him to be a type of evil demon plus wouldn't be surprised if living black people would have it rougher as well then might have it otherwise if people too strongly associate them with the local demon or any living descendants

[@DogFlamingoXIII]

It is essentially the same concept as putting "Jaws" on the list. He was killing people, because his continued existence depended on the belief that the Candyman was real and could kill you. If he let people think the story was a myth or a joke, he would have died. The same with Jaws munching some humans at the beach. They're both just eating to survive. That said, I'm not sure either should be on the list. Then again neither should several others.

[@eleanorcooke7136]

​@@DogFlamingoXIII the mayor was the real bad guy in Jaws. If they knew that Bruce was killing people, they should've closed the beaches because a spate of shark killings in a short amount of time would totally have killed the tourist interest because people would be too scared to go to a beach where multiple people died within a few days.

[@blackorchidee]

Don't forget the poor little Crawlers (The Descent). The cave is their home - so it's basically a home invasion movie

[@shohoth2775]

Can we get a Home Alone cross-over? Is Macaulay Culkin interested in a little spelunking?

[@Leto85]

You actually are just right about that.

[@Thatdeal79]

There so damn ugly though! 😂

[@Leto85]

@@Thatdeal79 I got the feeling that the less sunlight reaches the environment, the less physical appeal becomes a thing.

[@helenagackowska8398]

thats so true lol! love that film :)

[@grapeshot]

The person that wrote the book Jaws admitted he knew absolutely nothing about sharks. Of course most people in the 1970s including many scientists didn't. But he said if he knew back then what he knows now about sharks, he more than likely wouldn't have even wrote the book.

[@justifiedkill7766]

I really hate it when people think that sharks have an instinct for "just killing"

[@briansullivan5908]

@@justifiedkill7766 and when they want revenge. Classic

[@TheTonyahawk]

Peter Benchley became an activist for shark preservation after what the movie swayed our opinions on them. Still love the movie though and have a deep respect for sharks.

[@Jorquay]

As a diver I adore sharks. As a lover of horror I enjoy Jaws too. TBH only stupid / (wilfully) ignorant people can’t see the difference.

[@NikkiRen]

@@Jorquay I’m not a diver and I agree with you. I love and appreciate sharks from a distance. I appreciate Shark Week for the education and I have a healthy fear of the ocean. No urge to dive or go on a cruise, and I also hate when people treat sharks like villains for eating IN THEIR HOUSE. It’s so weird to me. I love shark horror movies, but until they come on land and start killing us, I do see them as the bad guy in real life.

[@VampyrRaye]

So we're just gonna gloss over the fact that howard is the reason she was in the car crash in the first place? In 10 Cloverfield lane, howard is the ne that side swiped her. And she finds this out, which is why she starts really trying to leave.

[@henninggirl261]

Regarding, I Know What You Did Last Summer, you're forgetting a few details. Ben Willis was in the middle of the road because he had just finished murdering his daughter's distraught boyfriend who had the audacity to live through the car accident that killed her a year prior (no drinking, just unfortunate).

[@isabelfox5509]

True but the kids didn’t know, so this is irrelevant to their choices.

[@henninggirl261]

@@isabelfox5509 Their's yes, but you can't talk about "karma" in the context of the overall film and leave this out.

[@isabelfox5509]

@@henninggirl261 I get it, but ‘karma’ coming to Ben would have had more meaning if the group had known of his awful behavior. It seems rather meaningless in this context because there is no satisfaction for them, only guilt and recrimination for the whole time they live with the act.

[@mskerr187]

And Ray wasn't drinking.

[@mightybitchy]

@@isabelfox5509 Not necessarily. In Ben’s case, Karma was the way he was ultimately punished for his own crimes. The kids ran over someone by accident. And only two of them wanted to get rid of the body. And got their own karmic justice, through Ben Willis killing them. Which is why I’m annoyed by these people who want Barry and Helen, to have been the heroes of the movie. They were the ones who had no scruples, and acted the most selfishly, and they should be rewarded for it? Please…

[@artificialdevil-sm]

I was gonna type a whole bunch of assorted thoughts, but I only need to say one thing really. Anyone who thought Carrie White was the villain of the story was not paying attention. They were watching/reading with no sense of compassion in their hearts.

[@briansullivan5908]

I don’t know anyone who thought Carrie was the villain. I think they’re reaching.

[@l6318]

Agreed. Her "villainous" turn does the most property damage and results in a lot of undeserved deaths, but the true villains of the story are her mom and classmates.

[@ceasarcruz8312]

every villain have their origin story, getting abused can make you do bad things and it doesn't exclude becoming a villain...

[@ryangreen3382]

Call a spade a spade. Straight up mass murder of not only the popular kids but also all the innocent bystanders and even the people wanting to help her. The circumstances leading up to it are tragic but the act itself is heinous and cruel.

[@lucario2able]

The 1 thing that kind of excuses Carry is the fact that she very clearly had a psychotic break. She wasn't in the right state of mind hence why she hallucinate that everyone was laughing even though they weren't. Those evil kids literally broke her and she unleashed with no control. I don't know why people disregard that and say she's a villain those kids torturing her were the villains.

[@everlenaoliver6912]

Let's not forget mother Vorhees, who lost her poor disfigured child because of camp counselors who didn't keep it in their shorts long enough to keep an eye on him.

[@medusathedecepticon]

Agreed but most of the people she killed had nothing to do with her son's death if I remember correctly. In a way she seemed to recognize that they weren't, but also had a lot of mental trauma going on so she seemed to perceive/confuse the new group as being the same ones who caused her son's death. Yeah they were trying to reopen the place but killing them wasn't the solution. I still feel really bad for her though, she honestly seemed like a genuinely sweet and caring person. She killed alot of people, but that was only after losing her son and her sanity. She was stuck living with the grief of knowing that her kid was no longer with her due to other people's stupidly selfish actions.

[@greywillner901]

Ok but Howard was literally a kidnapper who took advantage of an apocalypse to prey on an innocent woman

[@sheilaholmes8455]

Where is King Kong!

[@trevorfrenk4137]

didnt he kidnap and abuse a girl before the apocalypse? the one who left the earring?

[@greywillner901]

@@trevorfrenk4137 yeah he did, he kidnapped some girl and forced her to pretend to be his daughter. I was just referring to in-movie time!! :)

[@pateris]

@@greywillner901 Which might lead you to think that he actually killed his daughter (assuming she ever existed in the first place !)

[@greywillner901]

@@pateris definitely!

[@JesusWillSaveYou]

Number 5 is just a BAD example all around. Howard was the one that struck Michelle's car and then kidnapped her. He used the car incident as an excuse to "save her" even though it is later revealed that it was done on purpose. I'm pretty sure it is hard to "talk it all out" with someone who likes kidnapping and killing people. You must've forgot the part where Michelle finds the dead body of the previous girl that Howard said escaped 2 years prior. Did you even watch the movie?

[@korie4198]

The purpose of the colony was not recovering the Aliens. They had been there for a long time before Ripley was recovered and didn't even know they existed. The company sent Newts parents there and didn't tell them why. The colonists were innocent but the company was not.

[@briansullivan5908]

The colonists were fodder

[@asiabrew81]

Is it just me or has Aliens and Jaws hit a little harder in the last 18 months, what with the whole "People re expendable in the service to capitalism/economy" subplots?

[@VERDICTInsanity]

Also the Aliens home was NOT LV426, they weren’t even alive until the colonists exposed themselves to the eggs.

[@arivana10]

Yeah Aliens shouldn't be on this list. LV426 is not their home planet. If you watched the first 2 movies it shows you that a ship was what brought the xenomorphs to the planet and Ripley and her crew were the unfortunate souls that were sent there to retrieve one of them for The Company because they wanted to use them as weapons and make profit. So the crew was expendable, same with the colonists. So the real villain is The Company.

[@markboon2024]

@@arivana10 Feels like this list was put together by someone who thinks they are smarter than they really are.

[@shawnariel6257]

Eh, it's kinda glossed over in Cloverfield Lane that the Farmer had actually purposely rammed his truck in the protagonist's vehicle so that he can play hero and pretend that she is his daughter. A scenario that he has played out before with another girl who was also not his actual daughter. She does find the bloodied earring and other pieces of evidence that points to this. So the farmer isn't the Saint that he's kind of made out to be in this video. It is a tricky situation to be sure, nuanced but there are details that were ignored or missed that helped to place the farmer on this list I feel.

[@Cruz0881]

I know it’s not a horror movie but starro from suicide squad was the villain but even at the end of the movie he says he was fine floating in space till humans kidnapped him. That made me sad

[@balkthor]

Read Grant Morrison’s run on JLA, there’s some great Starro stuff in there.

[@ArcherSuh4721]

I had a major idiot moment with that movie. I was already familiar with Starro, a giant alien starfish, and I'm watching The Suicide Squad and seeing a giant alien starfish and it took way too long for me to connect the fact that THE GIANT ALIEN STARFISH WAS STARRO. I actually slapped myself in the forehead for that one.

[@KaishaLouise]

Yeah the real villains were Amanda Waller + all the people who'd been using Starro for their own nefarious purposes. Poor poor Starro...

[@fisheyenomiko]

Freaks: The strongman and the trapeze artist artist are the villains, not the other performers. Carrie: Again, Carrie's not the villain. In any movie where animals are the "villain", yeah, they're just doing what comes naturally.

[@malkavianfreak]

I don't know, man. The Snowball in Animal Farm was a pretty mean pig.

[@lL338]

Freaks: Hans gets away with cheating on his fiancee Frieda while she and none of the other performers hold him accountable for his infidelity. Hans gets away with food poisoning after he cucks his girlfriend while his co-workers mob his co-workers. It's not like Hans is even held accountable for being an asshole, or even suffers from being poisoned. He gets the girl he kicked out, and has other people mutilate his ex co-workers. Who would say lobster boy was a good guy? Obviously this list sucks and is way off the mark. I brought my opinions, too.

[@richardtherichard26]

That’s absolutely idiotic. How many times have you been attacked like tippy hedren was in Alfred Hitchcock’s the birds? You ever own a dog? Any of them ever behave like cujo? This is a bad opinion and you should feel bad.

[@joliax1646]

I agree they arent villains. I think for this list though she used context like in Carrie i guess shes supposed to be the villain since she killed children including innocent ones. However you and I know the story of what led her there. Therefore to us, she is not a villain. If that makes sense. Im not sure though

[@jarrodoakley6911]

“It’s very hard not to sympathize with his cause” in Candyman. Until he kills a dog, slowly ripping apart and gutting innocent and unrelated people (with no racial discrimination), kidnaps and threatens a baby, inspires others to murder in his name, all while lusting after a similar looking woman to his old love. All the while framing that woman for no reason other than wanting to tell his story, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE CANDYMAN WANTS! He wants his story told. He’s a vengeful spirit far beyond righting any wrongs, and is just the worst parts of the former man. I have sympathy for Daniel Robitaille. I have none for Candyman

[@pateris]

All that "reincarnation" bollocks was just that, it did not go with the original idea of an urban legend created by being just that…

[@david-468]

Yeah that was the dumbest part of the video, they just implied that all white people were responsible for his death and not just the father of the women,

[@lancekerslake2488]

Totally agreed, very well said

[@Lammy4ever7]

PREACH! In fact, one could even suggest that Candyman isn't a ghost but an unknown entity that feeds off of fear and hate, which is why it appears as Helen in the end.

[@pateris]

@@Lammy4ever7 It is stated that he will live on as long as people believe in him, which implies that he's a Jungian urban legend that became reality, which is fascinating. Aaaaaaaaaand… No. This reincarnation rigamarole…

[@galmorzu]

When Xenomorph came up I thought it was going to reference the Queen and her desire to protect her young, fighting another mother who was trying to protect her's. Right or wrong, evil or not, that was the dichotomy set up between the Queen and Ripley. But to say the aliens were just protecting their homeworld is wrong for so many reasons (already explained in the comments).

[@troyriser8074]

The titular Creature in 'The Creature of the Black Lagoon' has always been considered a sympathetic character, always. The little-known sequel drives it home. It's more tragedy than horror movie.

[@blaze556922]

You forget that in 10 Cloverfield Lane he had already killed a girl for trying to escape. He already had this bunker and the acid she wounds him with was the way he was disposing of bodies. He was not a hero at all...

[@fisheyenomiko]

Also, she's only there because he ran her off the road. He claims it was an accident, but...

[@blaze556922]

@@fisheyenomiko Exactly. I'm sure he told the first girl that too.

[@andreacook7431]

To quote The Doctor: "There's a horror movie called Alien? That's really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you."

[@itsjustmaddisen]

Good old 12.

[@shadowalnut572]

Carrie , I’m 26 now saw it when I was still in elementary like 4th grade I think. I was bullied severely at home and at school . I was in so much pain and no escape coping through a fantasy world I created in my head through hope which manifested itself in a strong self reflective mind frame . I was filled with love and hate , deep rage a child should never experience . I created a story in my head where my mother is unaligned and I burn down the school with everyone in it. But I couldn’t do it , I was young and I’d ruin my life.. so when I saw the movie I felt a certain justice for the hell i was put in to at the start of my life . Carrie will forever be my favourite movie

[@Thatdeal79]

For 10 Cloverfield Lane you left out the part how Howard stalked the girl ran her off the road breaking her leg & abducted her. If I remember right he also had a problematic past which involved kidnapping a little girl because he wanted a daughter.

[@sleepwalking3345]

AND how weirdly terratorial he gets over ger flirting wih the love interest. Yucky

[@CanItAlready]

In the real world, I don't think anyone's instinct upon waking up in a bunker after being run off the road would be to thank the person who locked them in there, no matter what story their "host" told them. Way too many serial killers and sex offenders have used underground bunkers, hidden rooms, locked storage containers and such, to keep people as their prisoners until they got bored with them.

[@karl_alan]

This list is weird: the majority are movies where you see the villain as justified, in 2 of them the villain was right about something no one knew, and about 1/3 of them you have the wrong villain.

[@Wercik997]

Yeaaah... This chick doesn't like The Shining, so...

[@neddam37]

The weirdest part is where she talked about Us, without calling it an overrated trash heap of a film.

[@baxtersmom279]

@@neddam37 I kind of agree. 🤔🤷‍♀️🤔

[@Shoelessjoe78]

Yeah she really did a poor job on this one.

[@WraithWriter]

@@neddam37 Us was total hot garbage. And Jordan Peele is a hack. Sorry, not sorry.

[@RoxanneLavender]

In 10 Cloverfield Lane Michelle finds scratch marks, a help me note, and a photo of a previous girl that Howard locked down there, that's why she freaked out. I think you misunderstood the movie.

[@theskyisteal8346]

The problem with sitting down and talking it through is that Howard was not a reasonable man. MEW's character had every reason to believe he would harm her if she so much as mentioned her thoughts.

[@AkamoriArt]

10 Cloverfield Lane is such an amazing film, and casting John Goodman in the role of Howard is superb casting. Since John Goodman gives off innate "big teddy bear" vibes. You struggle with whether you do or do not trust him throughout the entire film, up until the point that you find out that he is a sociopath. Up until the revelation of his abductions, part of you really, really wants to believe he's just an intense survivalist with a temper. And in the end, that is essentially what he is, he was right about what was going on outside, he was protecting two people out of choice. But unfortunately, he also had other intentions as well.

[@morteamoureuse]

Agreed with Howard except for the last line. He was determined to keep Michelle in there and refused to "talk it out". He was right about the aliens, though.

[@cobes11]

He was he right about aliens? Must not have even watched the movie. Humans were not terraforming the xenomorphs’ planet. We still do not know what the xenomorph’s planet is. They were in a ship that crash-landed on LV-426 (which is not even a planet).

[@CanItAlready]

@@cobes11 The aliens in 10 Cloverfield Lane, not the xenomorphs in aliens.

[@morteamoureuse]

@@cobes11 I was talking about Howard.

[@psbox362]

It's also implied that Howard abducted Michelle specifically because she reminded him of his presumably dead daughter. He was trying to effectively turn Michelle into a replacement for his daughter.

[@morteamoureuse]

@@psbox362 yes, that too! It was when they found information about the dead daughter that they began truly planning to leave.

[@jarrodoakley6911]

In I know what you did last summer, it wasn’t drunk driving. The driver was sober and took the keys from the drunk guy. The problem was he had beer spilled on him and it was the other guys car so they didn’t think the cops would believe either he was sober or the one driving

[@blaze556922]

LV-246 was not the home world of the Alien species. It was just the planet the Engineers happened to crash on. It is unknown where their species originates.

[@VERDICTInsanity]

David the androids throat apparently 😂

[@blaze556922]

@@VERDICTInsanity lol

[@npckse8508]

Well according to the convoluted movie history, the aliens came from the Engineer's home planet, where David the Android bred them.

[@blaze556922]

@@npckse8508 That is where they were recreated to be used as a biological weapon. Their origin is a mystery as the black goo was not from the engineer home world.

[@thedarkkrystal1016]

Expanding on the xenomorph entry: if I understand it correctly they are an invasive species on LV426. They don't live in the planet, they were on the Engineer's ship which crashed on the planet. They're the cane toads of space. Fast, acid blooded, evicerating cane toads. The humans didn't own the planet, but they didn't either. The xenomorph is going to xenomorph either way so I get that.

[@EvilChancellorJorge]

Howard was right about outside, but nothing else. You are reaching more than usual with Aliens. And finally, the final two in Cabin in the Woods knew they weren't going to survive either way, so I don't blame them giving the director a giant middle finger.

[@b_rad5651]

Carrie was absolutely not the villain. Everyone else in that movie was with the exception of Miss Collins and maybe Sue and Tommy.

[@pateris]

Let's not forget that the book and the movie were the first to broach the subject of bullying…

[@kazz6884]

this isn’t the first time they have said Carrie was a villain.they say that Norman Bates was nothing but a traumatised victim,yet have not yet acknowledged Carrie as a proper victim of abuse and bullying

[@McCammalot]

I actually hated and despised Cabin in the Woods (for reasons which may not have been the film's fault) but it cannot be denied that the two final survivors were NOT trying to save their own lives in the slightest. They were aiming to end the vicious cycle of the Sacrifice once and for all. They didn't live through the ending!!

[@teambellavsteamalice]

Yeah they kinda said humanity deserved the apocalypse. Still a stupid and evil thing to do. It's nice to realise the evil gods are a metaphor for... the viewers! Horror fans demand gore and death!

[@McCammalot]

@@teambellavsteamalice That's another reason I didn't like it. I absolutely do not demand horror and death and it's ridiculous for Whedon to lavish years and creativity on a film if he thinks it's such a sad burden. His fans watched whatever he put out. Half his career has been horror. And a lot of it hasn't been. Nobody forced him. However it's still not the film's fault. It's on me. I didn't want to go and I should have stood my ground and avoided three years of nightmares.(Yes I'm a huge wuss and to this day I don't know what the hell I was thinking setting foot in there.)

[@teambellavsteamalice]

@@McCammalot You didn't like horror but watched it because of Whedon? I can imagine it's a bit of a shocker when not used to horror. It's a bit of a tribute to horror and at the same time a parody (horror never really takes itself seriously). So it's probably made with the most hardcore horror fans in mind. Those who, like me, think the gore and spookiness is more fun than scary. I don't think I can be scared of a movie anymore, but I love suspense, mystery and a nice twist of sorts. Except for the silly ending and a scene or two I really liked the movie. The elevator scene which has almost all the gore is just hilarious to me.

[@McCammalot]

@@teambellavsteamalice I watched it because my housemate at the time desperately wanted to see it. Everything I knew about it made me think it wasn't going to be my cup of tea, but I knew it was Whedon and *had* seen Buffy, and only one episode ever freaked me out (Hush) and my friend was so excited and pumped to go, I decided to take a chance. It was also an EXTREMELY late showing with only like six people in a huge theater, which also messes with the atmosphere. 😆 (example: My first watch of The Matrix was a noon show that had about 3 people in it and I was low key freaked throughout; my second view was PACKED and it felt like an action comedy all of a sudden.) And I hadn't yet sorted out what horror tropes I can handle and which are a huge NO. (Much later on, about 10 minutes of Dexter sorted iit out for me: I *hate* watching victims screaming endlessly and high pitched while being chased upstairs and downstairs and in my lady's chamber. When we KNOW they're not gonna make it.) So when the satirical bits like Hemsworth and the invisible wall happened I was already a resentful mess. And I know it's on me. At age 7 Disney's freaking Cinderella scared me because the cat was called Lucifer. 🤣 I honestly wonder what I would make of it if I watched it now. I've seen quite violent films (Dred with Karl Urban and Lena Headey comes to mind) that weren't a laugh riot or anything, but I didn't need to leave a hall light on. And the first Scream!

[@McCammalot]

I did keep a light on after Scream. But I wasn't mad. God I'm a mess🤣🤣🤣

[@Kristine_202]

You have the ending of "The Cabin in the Woods" wrong. They didn't decide that their survival was more important, because they didn't survive. They decided that human beings were horrible and it was time to give someone else (in this case, the ancient gods) a shot. I'm not sure if I agree with that, but it wasn't like, "We're more important than the whole world" because they died anyway. It was more, "People suck and everyone, including ourselves, deserves to die."

[@davidking4838]

Well......look at what humans are doing to the Earth. I too say give the ancient gods a try. They couldn't do any worse.

[@Markcrazeer]

Sure, I have not seen it. Did they believe them? did they know the agency was right And went screw this anyways? I can’t say you are wrong in branding humanity something not worth keeping, but… I don’t think we, the gods would be any better. We could have destroyed them ages ago regardless of the sacrifice or even because of them or not demanded any sacrifices just left them alone. Maybe started a cult setting up romantic comedies or harmless reality tv instead wether either is any better I don’t know but we could have had our fun without murder there are so many genres of entertainment, we don’t need horror. we are not better than the humans we would not manage the world better. If they were aiming for wiping out the human race they needed to do that themselves and kill the gods as well. That would give you the world you think they wanted. They are not right to make that call.

[@Kristine_202]

@@davidking4838 Very fair point. I guess I just wouldn't consider that my decision to make.

[@ryangreen3382]

I took it as a them sacrificing themselves for the people killed to keep the staus quo. The moral dilemma of "does the end justify the means" sorta thing

[@Markcrazeer]

​@@ryangreen3382 who is them? our so-called heroes brought about the apocalypse. do the ends justify the means? if the means is killing some people and the option is we all die , I would say yes, depends on the goal for all of humanity. if the goal is to save the most lives and maximize happiness then yes do all the human sacrifice you need.

[@scruffygremlin]

Enjoyed the deep cuts to early cinema. Glad to see there was a list without the same 10 movies that make up half of all other lists

[@AevasHouse]

They actually talked about a little more than half of the movies on this list in other videos

[@chelseaqualls4047]

Like the Mist, Martyrs, and Hereditary, etc.? P.S. I'm not saying I don't like these movies, only that they are on almost every list

[@mattmccomas1]

I don't know how many times I have to say this, but that shark had a name...his name was Bruce. R.I.P. Bruce. Hope you are eating all the humans and tuna you want in that big ocean in the sky! *Sniff sniff* Good video.

[@briansullivan5908]

He never worked right

[@yolman25]

CANDYMAN killed a bunch of people almost killed a baby and made an innocent woman an spectre. kinda hard to feel bad for him

[@miguelmtj2596]

One of the most disturbing possibilities (of carachters that cout be right) would be Ms. Carmody in "The Mist". POSSIBLE SPOILERS: Just observe what she says about the child and the ending. After the child dies the mist dissipates and the creatures are apparently being destroyed.

[@piratehunterz947]

And she is the only one that the creatures dont attack…

[@eleanorcooke7136]

​@@piratehunterz947 we never really understand the logic of the mist monsters. We don't know if they are hive mind, no mind, or intelligent creatures. There could've been something that the creatures recognised about her that they knew would lead to more deaths or victims.

[@Okbutwhythoalice]

Agree about Cabin in the woods - plus " give someone else a try" doesn't make sense ....yeah humans are awful, but the gods want what they want. Substitute any other beings and they'd still have to appease the gods by repeating the ritual. Interesting idea though....humans are awful because of the gods, they're just playthings - the gods are the actual problem. Side note, I know the movie is a commentary on movie/audience but I would love to see a prequel - like, who started the ritual, who made that first "agreement" and recruited the underground workers

[@WarrickRanger]

Amy over here defending the sharks of the ocean like a boss. Never change.

[@cajum.65]

Slaughter High should have been a honorable mention tbh - the killer has a very solid motive for wanting vengeance, and it doesn't help that his would-be victims are completely unlikable.

[@jackmackakaheavyguyhaiku545]

The Director in Cabin was absolutely correct. The whole thing is that Marty dies either way. Only in the movie, everyone else dies with him. It's actually kinda selfish to not sacrifice yourself for the greater good (the greater good).

[@buhdlight]

Yarp

[@jackmackakaheavyguyhaiku545]

@@buhdlight "narp?"

[@galmorzu]

The greater good.

[@ceilinh6004]

I do kinda see the point of the two kids at the end of Cabin in the Woods though. After all of that, I'm not sure I'd feel humanity was worth saving either.

[@npckse8508]

Except only the Director and the people setting up these sacrifices even knew what was going on. They justify killing billions of people based off the actions of the Director and company, which themselves are not representative off the human species as a whole. In effect those 2 chose to allow the single largest loss of life in Earth history, making them the biggest villains that ever lived....for like the 10 seconds they lives after making their choice.

[@thecunninlynguist]

Jason (Jason Lives, NB, FvJ)...our guy was peacefully sleeping but Tommy had to go wake his ass up. Similarly in New Blood (w/ Tina) and FvJ w/ Fred. Can't we just leave him alone? He doesn't want to hurt anyone, unless you're bugging him, at his camp site.

[@davidjecmenek8943]

Arguably, he's just a guy who wants to be left alone while he recovers from childhood trauma and his mother's horrific death. He stays at home, and all these trespassers show up, smoking, drinking, doing drugs, littering and fornicating all over his property, and then they have the gaul to get mad when he defends his home from their intrusion.

[@CorySimpsonArt]

The guys driving in “I know what you did last summer” wasn’t drunk.

[@fancimcguffin2227]

Howard had probably killed another girl prior to helping out the second one. She discovered that and it made her jumpy. Understandable.

[@wayne8201]

The point at the end of Cabin is that if preserving humanity meant having to brutally sacrifice innocent people, indefinitely, maybe it's not a system worth sacrificing your own humanity to prop up one more year. It's a tough decision. Is not allowing your ethics/empathy to be dictated by the evil actions of others the greatest noble act? Or, in this case, are the stakes too high? I'm a firm believer in "all you can truly control are your own actions," I think I would've done the same.

[@briansullivan5908]

I don’t think those 2 put that much thought into it.

[@averagewonder]

Is that really the point or is that an interpretation? I thought the point was more of throwing traditional tropes out the window

[@wayne8201]

@@briansullivan5908 😂 They literally say it. Watched it recently, no nerd-lording intended. Edit: They talk about it not being worth preserving, I mean. The rest is my interpretation, of course.

[@ToddVoght]

Cabin in the woods was one of the best horror movies of the 2010's. The gore, horror, comedy and parody mixed perfectly and made for an instant classic.

[@briansullivan5908]

So then what you’re saying is it’s ok for Candyman to put a baby in a bonfire. Really?

[@cattherat-ss4kv]

yes

[@布衣-l1l]

Depends on the baby

[@anzioc]

carrie was never a villain

[@isabelfox5509]

Agreed, I really don’t understand how this is hashed over and over again…

[@peterlewerin4213]

An interesting idea that the video fails to develop. Many of the examples get the villain role wrong. I blame the writer, but it doesn't help that the presentation muddles the moral issues while trying to deal with them. But perhaps the most interesting question cluster in a horror film is rather: is there a villain? Who is the villain? Do I deserve the villain's wrath (which isn't the same as the villain being in the right)? Am I the villain? Horror villains can't really be properly in the right: horror implies excessive violence etc, and while it can be rational to sacrifice five kids for the world's survival it isn't exactly right.

[@davidreed7496]

I love that Freaks is included. It’s one of the most underrated and misunderstood movies of all time.

[@MissyCaitz]

For Cabin in the Woods, I'd argue the two made the decision so more people weren't put in their position.

[@SpaghettiYOLOKingTTV]

Still a poor decision. So instead of a small group sacrificed every year, they instead opt for the entire world to be killed at once.

[@yaboi5012]

By putting everyone else on the planet in an even worse position

[@bugsy220791]

Plus knowingly taking your own life is hard, where as having someone or some other thing killing you is out of your control. I don’t think they made the conscious decision to kill the whole world, not to mention they were being fed drugs to lower intelligence as well as going through a traumatic experience fighting for your life, going through all that and then just giving it up would be super hard todo for anyone.

[@MissyCaitz]

@@bugsy220791 I also interpreted it as them not believing the whole "appeasing the gods" thing because wouldn't you doubt it, too?

[@PalZer0]

On the other hand, given what we've had to endure over the last few years, you could argue that the last two survivors in Cabin In The Woods were actually right in that humanity isn't worth saving.

[@florentdevier]

So many people not getting the "ancient gods" in CITW are actually the audience. The movie itself is a parody of horror movies, the "government organisation" being the producers / crew, and the gods to satisfy with death, the audience.

[@criticosdefilmesdeterror3870]

Don't forget "Death" aka The Grim Reaper from the "Final Destination" franchise. Death was just trying to set things right. The protagonists were screwing up the natural order of things, so the entity was just fixing this mistake in order to keep the universe in balance. Those people had to die to prevent a disaster of cosmic proportions.

[@kinglewis6553]

Want it shown in the final one that death was giving the visions in the first place? So instead of a quick death or of nowhere it became a slow horror filled struggle

[@adamfritch2307]

It's genuinely surprising that Frankenstein's monster isn't on this list.

[@lightofthecolossus]

Indeed, but he was never intended to be the antagonist. That is the point of the book to not judge people by their looks. Frankenstein's monster never hurt anyone tho and was never intended as villain.

[@jeremyblackmouth3323]

Aliens being in this list is a jump to a conclusion that no stunt driver in history could make. The planet was never the home of the xenomorphs as was show in the first movie and if you argue the automated signal was meant to tell all to stay away, again that's the ship carrying the eggs and not the planet not to mention the signal wasn't even established by the xenomorphs. Their whole means of breeding requires host body and telling them to "stay away" is highly counterproductive

[@Gyarren]

I've always thought that nearly any movie that features animals or other creatures as "villains" was kind of ridiculous. Jaws: Just a hungry shark. Cujo: An unfortunate dog suffering from rabies who probably doesn't realize what he's doing. Eight-Legged Freaks: Just spiders doing what they do...on a bigger scale. Island of the Giant Insects: Bugs do the same things in your garden and backyard every day; it's just more horrifying when you see it up close. Congo: Ancient humans created the killer apes to guard the city and diamond mine in the first place; when you think about it, they were just doing their job. Even the creatures in "The Mist" weren't really antagonists; they were probably just some of the fauna of the other dimension who got loose when the scientists were screwing around with inter-dimensional travel.

[@lucario2able]

Yea but Jaws acquired a taste for humans so the humans killed him that happens all the time. Animals killing animals.

[@Gyarren]

@@lucario2able I wouldn't say he had a "taste" for humans; in fact, real sharks would prefer almost anything to humans, mainly because we have too many big bones, I think. Anyway, as big as that shark was, and as slow as we are in the water, the opportunity was probably too good to pass up. Some species of sharks (including Great Whites) have to keep moving constantly to keep water flowing over their gills, which I'm sure uses a lot of calories, and with the humans of Amity Island drawn back to the beaches by the mayor's false promises of safe swimming waters, well... Meat is meat.

[@lucario2able]

@@Gyarren Yea in reality sharks take a bite of humans because we look too much like what they would normally eat but once they taste us they stop typically but the author of the book knew nothing about sharks because in that time he wrote it nobody knew much about sharks but regardless this shark is 100% going out of its way to eat humans after the first girl at the beginning. The real life facts about sharks mean a lot less with this knowledge plus it's a movie about a sharks eating/hunting humans thats already breaking away from the real life shark facts lol. It's kinda pointless to say sharks eat humans in real life when the movie about the exact opposite. Lol

[@Gyarren]

@@lucario2able Yeah, but even if it did have an actual preference for humans, and wasn't just being opportunistic, WhatCulture was right when they pointed out that anyone NOT in the ocean had nothing to worry about.

[@lucario2able]

@@Gyarren That's true just saying Jaws was 100% a threat it wasn't stupid either it figured out taking out boats was more food. It was a monster ay that point. It's true if people stayed out of the water they would be safe and I hate the mayor for that but killing a monster whose killing children sounds like the shark needs to go. Just saying.

[@howdyitsren]

Local disabled person here to say lease just say disabled!! “Differently abled” describes literally every person on earth. Not everyone can run as fast or jump as high or has the same vision. Disabled describes a specific demographic and experience. It’s not rude or diminutive to say disabled, it’s not a dirty word.

[@amandafranklin1914]

Yeah, me and the husband saw Cabin in the Woods and agreed that destroying the world out of principal was a young person's decision.

[@anabarbosa5453]

10 Cloverfield Lane and The Cabin in the Woods... I can't agree with those. First, just because someone said that they had saved you, it doesn't mean anything. Since when people help others without second intentions, anyway? and Second... my survival is more important than anything else. It's not a matter of "more lives"... my survival instintcs tell me " you either die or you either survive", not if other people will die or live. It's not selfish want to fighting for your life, in this case they end up killing everyone else, but what fault do they have? I'm just imagining how I would react on those scenarios.

[@DMBLaan]

Howard from 10 Cloverfeild Lane?! You know he's the one who HIT her with the truck in the opening right? With the sole intention of kidnapping her. Nad he's done this multiple times already BEFORE the alien invasion happens!

[@savagegardenrox]

The kids at the end of Cabin in the Woods don't do anything for their own survival. They are just as dead as the rest of the earth. They decide not to complete the ritual because they see the horrors is takes to sate the ancient ones and decide that humanity doesn't deserve to continue if that much suffering, on an annual basis, is required to keep it going. They may be making a globally impactful choice all on their own, but it isn't for their own good.

[@kinglewis6553]

To make things worse they are well aware that no one outside these organizations knows about it so they decided everyone should die because what some did is wrong

[@katiejuby]

definitely damian from “malignant” deserves to be on this list. he was a conjoined twin falsely diagnosed as a tumour, and even after that rather than kill the twin, he kept him sentient and just suppressed him. id be pretty enraged too tbqh.

[@Kylorin235]

Ricky from silent night deadly night was right! It was indeed Garbage Day!

[@ceilinh6004]

LOL. And he was so happy about it.

[@justine3423]

I think that Laura Barns from unfriended should have been on this list. All of her “friends” were awful to her when she was alive and they all had a part in directly causing her suicide.

[@MrBennieagray]

I agreed with her on everything except for aliens. I mean once you seen all the movies you kind of see why aliens was more of our creators trying to kill us.

[@TANATOR02]

Buuuttt in "I know what you did last summer" he also attacked Max who had nothing to do with the whole mess, soooo not really justified

[@jeremiahsparrow4442]

Nothing on "Harry" from Night of the Living Dead???? Protagonist Ben spends the film dismissing his strategy of barricading themselves in the basement. Then once all the survivors are killed on the ground floor he ends up hiding there himself at the finale, only dying when he ventures out again. If he'd listened to Harry from the start... who knows?

[@MickeyKnox]

you forgot, that Ben let him chose to go downstairs and stay there and he (Ben) would stay in the house and defend it - it was Harrys desire to get the gun that sealed his downfall

[@arlem525]

Wow.... Helen wasn't trying to debunk Candyman. He was going to be the subject of her thesis.

[@aressssss9108]

Drinking game: take a shot whenever the word “titular” is used in a what culture video 😂

[@DogFlamingoXIII]

That was not the Xenomorph's home that humans tried to colonize. The Xenomorphs were aboard a ship that crash landed on the planet, and humans also tried to colonize the planet. This was specifically stated in the film, when the company tried to make Ripley look stupid in the meeting, implying that the planet was the home of alien life, which it wasn't. It was just a spot where alien life crashed. The face hugger eggs were just chilling on the crashed ship, and the human colonists arrived to try to terraform and colonize. It was the Xenomorphs attacking a human colony, where the Queen then set up a nesting ground. I cannot believe you put that as number two without having remembered the plot of the movie. Ffs.

[@MrMuttly55]

The Freaks were right, and they "won" at the end of the film.

[@marennicholson5444]

Objection - They stay with Howard in Cloverfield when they realize the attack is real and only try to leave when they discover he was also a crazy murderer of a child.

[@davidrust3169]

Is this Amy's first face-to-camera list? I'm only really seeing this as her first time. There may have been earlier examples but usually she just does a voice-over. Regardless, I've always liked her presentation style but after seeing this, I find that I like it even more when I can see her facial expressions and body language. She really has an excellent presentation and hosting skills!

[@kaylamarie2242]

I was just thinking this!! Amy is awesome!

[@ceasarcruz8312]

bet she's a lovely person, but her voice is not good for narrative purposes, it's kinda annoying...

[@CanItAlready]

@@ceasarcruz8312 You're entitled to your opinion but I disagree with it. About her voice, not about her as a person.

[@kaylamarie2242]

I happen to love her voice. It’s unique!

[@ceasarcruz8312]

@@CanItAlready ok? and I disagree with yours, she sounds like youngest old lady in the world lmao

[@rociomiranda5684]

Neither Carrie nor the disabled carnival performers in Freaks are the villains in their movies. In Carrie, she's a victim surrounded by villains, with the exception of Tommy, Sue and Miss Collins. Carrie was pushed over the edge and she had very little control over her power. And in Freaks, Cleopatra and Hercules are the villains that get their comeuppance. Cleopatra's fate is horrible, but she was a horrible person anyway.

[@bindihaizi]

the LeDomas family in Ready Or Not. i was rooting for Grace the whole way through but ... under the circumstances.. it WAS her or them.

[@briansullivan5908]

I get your point the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few ( or the 1)

[@psbox362]

Yeah, but I don't blame Grace in the slightest for fighting back and getting angry at Alex for trying to kill her. She also married into that family while that whole game of death bullshit was kept a secret from her, so it wouldn't be fair to just expect her to die so that the family (who made a deal with a literal devil) can live.

[@jamiec3372]

I feel you! I know that they're descendants of the person who chose to ~deal with the Devil~ but that doesn't really make it "right" to me. The biggest thing for me, I guess, is that Alex married Grace without saying a damn thing until she was already being hunted by his family lol. Like... you don't NEED a reason to not want to get married but I'd say that murder is probably a pretty good reason if someone needs one lmao

[@TheMulToyVerse]

Friday the 13th Pamela Voorhees’ son was killed due to negligence by those directly in charge of looking after the kids… to add insult to injury, they wanted to re-open the camp as if nothing had happened; her sons final resting place to be disturbed year after year and also annual surges in seeing the same type of individuals that led to his death (potentially promiscuous teens and possible child-sized tormentors that would single out someone like her beloved son and push him into the water) Beyond that, there’s no saying that Jason himself would have ever resurfaced if his mother hadn’t been killed Also, each time he’s brought back in future movies, it’s usually because someone desecrated his resting places either by complete accident or because of a crossover movie opportunity Jason, at least early on, usually went after horn-dog/frisky teens that may or may not have also been drinking or doing drugs Jason Voorhees is a slasher allegory for abstinence, again, mostly in the earlier films And again, he only rose from the bottom of Crystal Lake after his mother was killed. If the camp was never set to be re-opened, then Pamela doesn’t go on a killing spree, doesn’t get killed herself and Jason never shows up… no one else dies in super creative ways and Roy doesn’t become a copycat killer…

[@burakardaaksoy6339]

Really shitty list 10- Ben: Its a karma but he can always go to police 9- Shark: Its a shark 8- Performers: yeah they were right 7- Creature: I will give you that one 6- Carrie: She was never a villian, more of a victim 5- Howard: No, he was a psychopath 4- Tethered: Honestly, only non evil person in the movie was the father 3- Candyman: ...so for not forget about black killing, we should kill random white people? Since when the fuck you guys become woke? 2- Xenomorphs: Im not gonna rooting for species only thing they do is breed and killing every living thing. Also bugs killed colonists first, marines had every right invade their nest. 1- Director: Also not gonna rootting for organization entertaining an old god. They had a tecnology for capturing ghosts, witches and hell priest. They should try to find a weak spot instead of making bet on victims

[@wereleopard22]

Thank you for making this list.

[@scarletaria]

Are we gonna talk about the fact that NO ONE survives Cabin in the Woods?

[@cssb615]

Your intro to the Jaws segment made me laugh, it was so adorable and endearing

[@tuckerbowen4626]

10) i mean, Ben Willis was already a murderer before the accident. sure, you can argue that detail was just thrown in specifically to keep the audience from siding with him and give the protagonists a pass for hitting him with their car in the first place, but it's still there. 9) Agreed. 8) Agreed. 7) Agreed. 6) Agreed. 5) to be fair, there are several moments when Howard comes across as possibly unstable and incapable of being reasoned with. i'm not saying you're wrong on this one, just that it's not hard to see why they were so scared. 4) Agreed. 3) okay yes, Candyman's story was absolutely tragic, but i really think he loses some of that sympathy when he KIDNAPS A BABY TO MURDER! also, how could spending all of eternity "surviving" as a murderous ghost possibly be better than finally being allowed to rest in peace? 2) the Xenomorphs have been given EVERY opportunity to prove what absolute murderous bastards they are. they're clearly more intelligent than just being mindless predators, and yet no matter what they never pass up an opportunity to kill anything and everything that breathes. 1) Agreed.

[@ryangreen3382]

Guess I have a different take on Carrie than most people here. To me she is absolutely a villian. The movie is more of a villain origin story than anything. Although it's sad to see the circumstances that led to it, I think it's important to call a spade a spade. She straight up mass murders not only the popular people but also innocent bystanders and even the people that try to help her. Murder is murder even if the sob story pulls at the heart strings.

[@je19662008]

But by the end of the movie, she's so far gone she can no longer tell the difference. I understand the mentality completely.

[@ryuhayabusa2000]

Is the Punisher a villain? I ask only because its important to distinguish between morality and motive. A villain is motivated by evil intentions. Carrie is not. Carrie's situation is one of a lack of control. Her mind was shattered and she envisioned enemies all around her, so she lashed out in a panic. The Punisher KNOWS what he does is wrong, but justifies it by saying the people he kills are worse or deserve to die. If "murder is murder" and there's no gray area or nuance, then most (if not all) people referred to as heroes are actually villains.

[@ryangreen3382]

@@ryuhayabusa2000 she deliberately locks them in tortures people with a fire hose and kills multiple people actively running away from her including the principal and teacher who went up to help her. She was angry and sad and used her newfound powers as a way get back at the people she felt wronged her. Even if it was a broad attack there's still premeditation.

[@ryangreen3382]

@@ryuhayabusa2000 a matter of perspective is important. You've seen what she's gone through and you empathize with the situation. But Givin the perspective of one of the average teenage attendees and its a whole different story. It's like saying a school shooter isn't a villain, or didn't do a villainous thing.

[@ryuhayabusa2000]

@@ryangreen3382 I'm not saying she didn't do something awful, my only point is that she is not the villain of the story because her intentions in the story were never malicious. Also, in reference to your other comment saying that there was a degree of premeditation, that isn't quite accurate, that would imply that she thought about how she would murder everyone before her mind broke, which we know isn't the case. Perspective definitely matters, and to the average attendee, Carrie would be the villain because all they see is Carrie killing people out of nowhere. However, we as the audience no better. Its kinda like how most people would probably call American soldiers heroes in the U.S. but villains in any country the U.S. would be at war with. I think you make a very good point with the school shooter analogy though, I don't have a counter argument for that aside from them being fully aware of their situation and decisions and Carrie being driven purely by her hysteria. All I'm really saying is that as far as the story of Carrie goes, Chris Hargensen MUST be the villain thematically. She is the antagonistic and malicious catalyst that leads to Carrie's breakdown.

[@ArcherSuh4721]

The Predator from... well... Predator. Yeah, he was hunting for sport and not food (huge difference) but his reasons for doing so made a lot more sense to him that the violence he watched his prey partake in. Plus, he wasn't going after easy targets like he could have (he left the unarmed woman alone), he was definitely going after big game that had a fighting chance. And The Thing just wanted to live its life and be left alone until he was woken up not in the best of moods. The Norwegians were the real villians!

[@robby7499]

I frickin' hated Us simply because it preferred to be preachy with its message instead of being a coherent movie meant to entertain first.

[@lincolnpascual]

The Cabin in the Woods... I'd counter that a world that allows the sacrifice of innocent people in order to ensure its own survival doesn't deserve to live. Trying to justify the victims murders while not acknowledging the evil inherent in sacrificing innocent people from the outset is simply hypocrisy. The government organization tried sacrificing children in Japan, for crying out loud. If you can sit there and rationally justify that behavior? Well, your own murder at that point is pretty justifiable as well... it's simply taking out the trash in the end. And before you counter that the governments were doing this for the greater good, I'd suggest putting yourself in the shoes of the unknowing victim... in reality, one life isn't going to be considered in contrast to millions... but it should. No one asks the question that needs to be asked- in the entirety of the time those ancient beings have existed and demanded tribute, why has no one used the majority of that time to figure out a way to combat those that are actually the true threat? Instead, they go along with it, basically enabling it. If you scale it down to more understandable terms, it's basically saying "well, yeah... those guys torture and murder innocent people. But they do a lot of good too." One doesn't cancel out the other, and while there isn't a clear cut solution that solves everything without death or violence, tearing the whole facade down is the only way to ensure no more evil is perpetrated. I'm still with the kids on this one... they made the only decision they could in an impossible situation that would prevent future occurrences from happening. It's cold and brutal, but so is life... and death.

[@bassman8144]

Take it easy on the virtue signaling

[@Tob1Kadach1]

Whatculture always virtue signal, they're very woke sometimes.

[@kazz6884]

as someone who has been through the same thing as Carrie(besides the powers and murder) I in no way think of her as a villain,more like the protagonist that has been through so much.she was abused by her mother and tormented by most of her school. I mean,I can’t be surprised you said she was a villain and didn’t fully acknowledge what she had been through. you said Norman Bates was nothing but a traumatised victim,yet you don’t say the same about Carrie?odd

[@rosemarie1817]

Ok, hear me out, John Kramer, he did what he believed to be right, after taking life for granted, he realized that he was wasting his life and wanted to show others who have wasted their lives what life is worth and pointed out exactly how they wasted what was given to them.

[@briansullivan5908]

Yeah but it’s really not his business how people use or misuse their lives especially since he didn’t even know these people. It’s all about him.

[@lizanna6390]

You could certainly understand him despite his dreadful actions

[@ryuhayabusa2000]

John Kramer's a self-righteous psychopath who believes only HE truly understands what it means to value life, and tries to force this understanding of life onto others. The people who cannot see it his way are murdered, either by him, his accomplices or his machinations. I can't say he was "right". Just because he spouts off twisted philosophy every now & then doesn't mean he has a point.

[@stu_chew]

OK, I never want the villain to lose.... The only exception was the Fireflys in any Rob zombie film...

[@devonbrian2184]

I DEFINITELY agree with this list, especially Jaws, Candy Man and Carrie.

[@cobes11]

Wait, the shark is Jaws was the bad guy? I thought he was the hero in the movie because he only killed white people and everyone tells me that all white people are eeeeeeeeeevil.

[@alyssaheubel]

10. I Know What You Did Last Summer 9. Jaws 8. Freaks 7. The Creature from the Black Lagoon 6. Carrie 5. 10 Cloverfield Lane 4. Us 3. Candyman 2. Aliens 1. The Cabin in the Woods

[@Void_Sweets]

It would be cool to see an alien movie in the view of the xenomorphs.

[@thecunninlynguist]

the 3DO game gives you that POV, sorta