10 MCU Plot Holes That Aren't Actually Plot Holes

[@RJ-ix4gw]

Explain this one: In Captain America The Winter Soldier when we are shown Steves list, one of the items on the list is Star Wars. But if he actually watched all the Star Wars movies wouldn't he be a bit confused when he sees Mace Windu?

[@guyr3618]

The prequels don't exist in the MCU, apparently.

[@Mr.Monacle]

Well Disney IS trying to sweep them under the rug...

[@helloooo12012]

Mace Windu is replaced with another actor, or the universe is just making so people don't put 2 and 2 together. The only way to realize is to break the fourth wall.

[@angryscottishgamerer9599]

what about Padmé

[@glennross85]

That is EXACTLY why they put Star Wars on there, it was a joke, just like the reference to Jacksons Pulp Fiction character on Nick Furys headstone.

[@RDGoodner]

Additionally... 10 - Also, Whiplash's whips weren't just electricity. They were channeled plasma weapons. The suit was being burned. 9 - Rocket also might just not have cared. 6 - Thanos actually stands to gain 2 Infinity Stones, possibly 3. He probably knows the Eye of Agamoto is on earth and that the Aether can be accessed from there. Seems like a pretty good gamble-- other than trusting Loki, which never works. 3 - Technically, Tony just says he "fixes" Pepper. She might actually still have powers, but still, Extremis is dangerous stuff. Rhody is probably not cool with being injected with explosive nanites, particularly not immediately after the event when he still thinks physical therapy and non invasive technology might do the job. 1 - Bruce could actually control his powers in the second Hulk movie, just imperfectly. He can unleash the Hulk whenever he wants. He just can't AVOID unleashing the Hulk when something makes him lose his cool.

[@EddyTheMartian]

I still feel like the hulk thing in Avengers was lazy writing tbh

[@majimakiriyu4872]

Because while watching the movie you were not paying attention

[@IsidaKepTukari]

Not to mention that Tony was using his suitcase suit, rather than his full-weight suit in the Whiplash scene in Iron Man II. I would assume, given the slimmer profile and overall smaller size of that suit that it's not quite as protective as his battle suits.

[@andrehenderson7820]

6 has one flaw in it about the aether

[@MrHappyFace85]

The hulk one is explained exactly how I explained it to people moaning about it. The explosion literally caught him off guard and you can also notice he's trying to fight the change but it's just too late. Obviously being mind controlled also but fully aware with the rivalry carrying on with Thor when he punches him later on.

[@thomasfan8889]

I just realized that Loki’s throwaway line about how Thor came to earth explains where Himdal’s powers came from in Infinity Wars

[@Thommy2n]

And also for number 7, in the first Thor movie, when Loki reveals Heimdall he snuck the Frost Giants into Asgard, he hints he managed it without the bifrost because there's more than one way between the realms, the Bifrost is presumably just the safe and most straightforward route. Besides if Loki could survive that goddamn fall into the ether and then in the next movie be on earth right as rain, I think we can accept that there's more than one path to earth.

[@zZstormgamezXx]

Thommy2n also didn’t they go between realms through a mountain in Thor 2?

[@dlcshadowheartlordofdomina7504]

Yes, to get to the Dark World and confront the Dark Elf King.

[@Nina-kx9jm]

In Avengers Assemble Loki came to earth via a portal made by the Tesseract which has gone out of control in the S.H.I.E.L.D. base by that time. Travelling through space with the help of the space stone is the most obvious way, but as you've already stated there are also other ways as shown in Thor 2 and speaking of the dark energy which Odin used to let Thor travel to earth in AA, this is actually confirmed in Infinity War as Heimdall uses the exact same kind of magic to send the Hulk back to earth right before he dies.

[@thantus9315]

For the plot holes about not being enough super heroes, you could've also mentioned how Ant-Man was a hero back in the 1980s, showing that, while he may have not been active, there's still potential of other superhero people. And for the one about Tony Stark detaching himself from his costume, this is echoed back again in Spiderman Homecoming, where he's trying to teach Peter Parker to become a better superhero and to not rely on his costume in the movie.

[@cullenodwyer]

Also, people seem not to be taking into account the fact that SHIELD was incredibly sus at the time of Iron Man into the first Avengers movie. While there may not have been many straight up heroes, we know from TWS that during the Phase 1 timeline, they would have had the technology either created or in the planning phase to be able to identify which types of people have the predisposition to be heroes. It just takes some reading in-between the lines of the films.

[@alexwackett8238]

Thantus Not to rely on his costume ... But he still gives him the iron spider suit at the end

[@wolffang489]

After he proved that he could be a great hero without one.

[@deusdamnit]

Yeah, he needed to give him the Iron Spider suit. He was offering him an opportunity to join the Avengers. The suit was part of that offer. It wasn't about him proving he could be a great hero, or appreciation. It was because he needed to level up in order to face off with real shit. (Of course, that never would have happened if Peter hadn't proven himself worthy of joining the Avengers by losing his over-reliance on a supersuit.)

[@bensadfleck9972]

Well, with Captain Marvel what fury said makes more sense

[@benphillips2947]

Here's one I always hear people bring up, "Iron Man's suit can take a blow from Thor's Hammer in "The Avengers" but is broken into a million pieces when hit by a truck in "Iron Man 3".": Ignoring that these are, in fact, 2 different suits one has to remember that the ultimate purpose of the suits is to protect Tony in battle while also providing him with weapons and flight. When Thor brings the hammer down in "The Avengers" Tony is IN the suit, thus why it held strong to protect him. In "Iron Man 3" the suit is empty when it's hit by a semi. It stands to reason that without Tony inside the suit's main priority would be to reduce damage to itself. By breaking down into smaller pieces upon impact the suit would ultimately reduce the damage sustained by it's collision with the truck (also it wouldn't mess the truck up nearly as bad either, which goes along with Tony's preference of *not murdering* innocent people with his inventions).

[@TLparkZ]

Ben Phillips Remember the suit breaking up into pieces was a feature of that particular suit and also that suit wasn't fully developed.

[@seanblack1320]

The first suit took a hit by a truck with barely any damage. And just because they're different suits doesn't matter. The suit he fought Thor in was Mark 6. In Iron Man 3 it's Mark 42. Same basic design just one's way more advanced.

[@seanblack1320]

But he also calls the Mark 42 his magnum opus.

[@seanblack1320]

It was malfunctioning well before that. And the only prototype was Mark 1. That excuse doesn't work since the only noticeable difference between this and the armors of the other movies is traveling in pieces. Something his skeleton armor did with none of the same bugs. Plus, we're specifically talking about damage it can take. Not how the computers operate.

[@wallywest4727]

People also forget that Suit was incomplete and far from finished, the whole film makes a point of showing that suit was only a prototype.

[@SwagBroPlays]

You know if you look at some of the evil plans villains had in classic Marvel, Zemos plan is pretty solid in comparison.

[@clementj]

And in some way he actually succeeded.

[@dreamwclker]

To this point, Zemo and Thanos are the only MCU antagonists to succeed. So idk why people always write off Zemo but praise Thanos...

[@Blasted2Oblivion]

I would argue that since IW was Thanos' story, he was the protagonist rather than the antagonist but yeah. Zemo does deserve so much more credit.

[@batman-hs1us]

His plan wasn't really to just be evil , it was more of a crime of passion . His wife and child died because of Tony Stark . Tony was playing around with the mind stone, thus creating Ultron which was a evil super bot hell bent on killing humanity. Let's say you were a highly trained government hit squad operative, then lets say the recklessness of a man caused the death of your wife and child . What would you do ? I'd do whatever it took to get my revenge. That's just me tho .

[@bluepomegranate]

Don’t forget, Zemo did actually intend to lure Tony to the bunker alongside Steve and Bucky. Civil War included a scene where Zemo calls his room service from outside the hotel, with the specific intent of getting them to discover the dead psychiatrist. He did this because he knew that, one way or another, this news would reach Tony, and he would realize that Steve was right about the super soldiers and follow him to the bunker.

[@diamondspiderproductions4844]

The hulk "plot hole" was disproven in the Incredible Hulk when he is training to control the powers. The plot hole I want answered is in Age of Ultron, why does he suddenly need Natasha to calm him down when he has control over his powers!?! UPDATE: never mind, Ragnarok explained it!

[@richardferguson9663]

Because Bruce Banner has some control over turning into the Hulk. But when Hulk is running the show, Banner is not in control. Further, they tried to show, and had some limited success in showing, that the Hulk was actually afraid of turning back into Banner.

[@srstriker6420]

DiamondSpiderProductions about the Leader potholes?

[@diamondspiderproductions4844]

SR Striker what leader plotholes?

[@srstriker6420]

DiamondSpiderProductions how you not seen the Incredible Hulk?

[@MegaZeta]

+SR Striker That's not a "plot hole", that's just a dumb story idea they rightly abandoned. Heaven save us from these mental children who think everything they personally dislike about a movie is a "plot hole"

[@WebSpyder777]

People have addressed most of these but you missed the conversation that Tony has in Civil War that directly addresses him giving up being Iron Man in IM3. When he tells Cap that he and Pepper are "taking a break" because after he trashed all of his suits he was needed to help mop up Hydra... "...and then and then and then, I never stopped... 'cause truth is, I don't want to stop."

[@MegaZeta]

Doesn't matter because that's justification after the fact written to address the question

[@LordVader1094]

@@MegaZeta Da fuk? That's called plugging a hole then. It's no longer a plothole if it's explicitly explained later down the line.

[@mrrd4444]

Zemo's plan made perfect sense. I think the only problem is that in trusting in the intelligence of the audience, which the Russo brothers have always done, they forgot that some people just suck at thinking past two-three step plans. It's the plan of a man who was in a sort of special ops division, it's calculated and complex and relies on psychology as much as cause/effect and even if it hadn't worked out the way it did in the film, as the video said, he would have had a boatload of contingency plans to back it up. I'm pretty sure he just showed the tape right then to give himself a chance to escape, but if that hadn't happened, showing it to the public and essentially preventing Bucky from ever being free again, thereby discrediting Captain America to the general public for defending a cold blooded murderer, and breaking the Avengers apart anyway. Because it's one thing to know he was an assassin, it's another thing to see it on video.

[@DerpDevilDD]

The Joint Terrorism Task Force not having a photo match for every person allowed access to the most dangerous, high security prisoner they've ever held is still a plot hole, though.

[@mrrd4444]

That's just one big nitpick at this point, not a plot hole. Multiple possibilities: he or a friend of his hacked the records to replace his face with the Doctor (he was able to dig up encrypted files so he has some degree of ability in hacking). Less likely; they didn't have a photo of him on file since he's not part of the JTTF. More likely: people were just lazy or negligent, which is how bureaucracy usually goes. If it has answers and isn't a big plot point and can be answered in multiple ways (how did Bucky not get found before if he was so dangerous, how did the UN track him down, how did Zemo plant the bomb, etc) then it's not a plot hole. You can fill in the tiny blank your damn self--it's not that hard.

[@DerpDevilDD]

He didn't dig up encrypted files. The files were publicly available to the entire planet. They were dumped onto the web and within two minutes were "trending". Being able to use Google isn't evidence of hacking abilities. Also, every plot hole ever *can* be filled in; they're plot holes because they *aren't* filled in.

[@iridescent6685]

Yeah Zemo's plans are full of contingencies or even the option the change from plan A to plan B. As shown by his failed attempt to secure the location from the Hydra operative he drowns in the sink, he just found a new approach after.

[@DerpDevilDD]

People keep saying Zemo had all manner of contingencies and back-ups. No he didn't. If your plan fails and you have to come up with a new plan, that's not a contingency. A contingency is something you already have worked out. Bombing the UN to flush out Bucky wasn't some kind of back-up he had ready in case his first plan flopped. It's not like Zemo knew the Hydra operative had the magic Bucky brainwash manual; he wasn't anticipating getting his hands on that.

[@augierivera3290]

I know people tend to look at The Incredible Hulk as the black sheep of the MCU, but it is still canon. If you remember correctly, Bruce was went into hiding in Brazil and, while he was there, he was learning to meditate and control his aggressions. That, in turn, would allow him to control the Hulk. By the last shot of that film, I always assumed that he was able To control his rage and could transform into the Hulk at will.

[@TLparkZ]

Augie Rivera 100% and thats not even something you have to dig and find lol

[@alieninthevideo441]

TLparkZ, you have to sit through the entire second hulk film so you kind of have to do some digging.

[@TLparkZ]

Chimpalicious Jones III what i mean is you can just google the ending of the film to find that out.

[@smuglord5057]

Plus the hulk seems to come out on his own when he thinks Bruce is going to die.

[@christiancrusader9374]

I watched that movie multiple times and i thought it was good. I guess the mcu's quality has risen so much the incredible hulk is bad by comparison.

[@Adrian-zn3pe]

Banner having full control of his hulk powers was shown at the end of The Incredible Hulk

[@alieninthevideo441]

Complete control would imply he could hulk out when he wants to and not hulk out when he doesn't want to but he still turns into the hulk when hawkeye attacks shield on the helicarrier.

[@wallywest4727]

Watchculture also said Loki with the Mind Gem was also playing a part in it whats true as everyone of the Avengers were starting to get aggressive in that scene just before the attack. While i agree not 100% control Banner does have more control then ever and can use and guide the Hulk, hell in the new Thor film he's even talking and chatting with Thor.

[@tristanclaypool1816]

I was just about to say that. It may be a different actor, but it's still technically cannon with the MCU. Bruce has been perfecting his skills for years and years.

[@zaynrivers7433]

Chimpalicious Jones III The whole point of that scene is that Loki is manipulating them so that they don't get along, Tony & Cap are arguing, Hulk & Thor get into a fight, it's all apart of Loki's plan. In essence, Bruce can control the Hulk, but if you're smart enough, you can too.

[@MrHappyFace85]

Chimpalicious Jones III because he's caught off guard, you can see him fighting the change but it's just too late.

[@LittleFears]

Wasn't Banner able to control Hulk (sort of) at the end of the Norton film? He was meditating with flashy hulky rawr rawr eyes in the last scene.

[@joshuabell7761]

Little Fears I also have an issue with people not understanding that one. Were people just blocking their ears, shutting thier eyes and screaming loudly and deliberately trying to ignore the ending of the Incredible Hulk? I know The Incredible Hulk was a mildly underwhelming movie, but still.

[@LittleFears]

It was an OK film, as an early MCU popcorn muncher.

[@kingcoheed1208]

Banner can turn the Hulk on at Will, he can't prevent the Hulk from coming out and he can't Turn the Hulk off, but Get in Banners way and you will face the Hulk even with taking every precaution to stop Banner from getting mad

[@kencougr]

The complaints about the Hulk transformation in "The Avengers" always struck me as people being dumb. From Day One of the Hulk's history, Bruce's problem was keeping the Hulk in, not letting the Hulk out. The scene where he explains how he tried to kill himself by eating a bullet, only for the Hulk to spit it out should be enough to show people that when Bruce puts himself in mortal danger, Hulk is going to emerge, whether Bruce wants it or not. Having a few kilotons of flying, armored Death coming at him would definitely lead to a Hulk-out.

[@madichibrown83]

😅😅"flashy hulky rawr rawr eyes". Thats my favourite hulk description of all time.

[@mrfacephone]

I always saw the suitcase (Ironman) suit as a throwaway, not built as good as the other's. KInd of like the glove in civilwar.

[@jled787]

A portable armor just for minor threats. And also a good callback for the Invincible Iron-Man cartoon back in the day. When Tony gets serious about doing something, he goes to the Armory and dons the most appropriate suit usable for the current problem.

[@youtubis]

You forgot that Ant Man and Wasp were also active in the 60s

[@TheNiggler17]

And Captain America although is assumed to be dead does count as a hero

[@noahdavis7406]

Do we even have an exact date on when Cap was found in the ice? For all we know he could have been found before the events of the first Iron Man movie.

[@diandrarizvi]

Cap officially been frozen for 65 years in MCU (stated in multiple movies). So 1945 + 65 = 2010

[@toontrooper4103]

Nicholas Levin Hank Pym and his wife. The Ant-Man we see now is different.

[@movienaut]

Black Panther was allready a thing in Wakanda!

[@Macephtopheles]

For Whiplash's whips it's not really electricity anyway. They channel the arc reactor energy into them so they're basically just the same energy as Iron Man's repulsor blasts. As for other superheroes there's a *VERY* obvious pair missed out- Hank Pym and Janet van Dyne. Him as Ant-Man and Janet as the Wasp were shown to be part of S.H.I.E.L.D. and also the fact that S.H.I.E.L.D. was formed by the same people who worked on creating Captain America so superheroes were basically the whole reason the organisation exists.

[@Paulafan5]

I was just going to mention that. When the arc reactor was overloaded in Iron Man 1, it destroyed the Dude's suit (Iron Monger?) and damaged Iron Man.

[@Whitewingdevil]

Extremis shows up in Agents of SHIELD a fair bit, but it's dangerous as all hell and tends to make people go a bit crazy, not something you'd want to be relying on, methinks.

[@seanblack1320]

But he can cure it. Just give it to Rhodey long enough to heal him then cure him.

[@jackguest145]

Whitewingdevil It was still explosive but the bad guys found a guy with fire powers and took his fireproof genes and added it to their super thing

[@MattyPGood]

What if Rhodey didn't want the virus because of the possible explodey side effects?

[@seanblack1320]

Then have a scene of Tony offering it and Rhodey turning it away. Hell, what happened to that whole regeneration pod in AOU anyway? That's like a better Extremis but it's just there to explain how Vision was created then just abandoned.

[@wallywest4727]

Too much of a risk because its very dangerous and no way would Tony risk Rhodey's life with it, its a very volatile substance so Tony most likely just wanted to leave it alone considering he saw first hand what it can do.

[@newageBoundhippie]

Fury's comment about other heroes could also include Ant-Man as Hank Pym would have retired but he'd still have been around and he did work for SHIELD in the 80's... also anybody who only watches the movies might think the Avengers just happening to know where Hydra was keeping Loki's scepter and Fury & Hill miraculously showing up in Sokovia with a freaking Helicarrier ( both from Age of Utron ) could be plot holes but both are explained within Agents of Shield

[@nosrepsuomynona7192]

newageBoundhippie could you please provide a brief explanation as I don't watch agents of shield?

[@newageBoundhippie]

the intel on Hydra wasn't explained too terribly well but it was basically that Coulson found it within files he copied from a computer at a Hydra base the team had just attacked. As for the Helicarrier, it was built in secret and overseen by Coulson & 1 of the Koenigs ( this was revealed via flashback in the episode that aired after Age of Ultron opened in theaters )

[@jackwyatt3854]

Agents of shield is not canon but it still all makes since regardless

[@newageBoundhippie]

@@jackwyatt3854 for fucks sake THE SHOWS ARE CANON UNTIL KEVIN FEIGE EXPLICITLY SAYS OTHERWISE OFFICIALLY. The movies don't need to waste 20 minutes talking about the shows for them to be canon

[@ocek2744]

I can't believe you missed it with Nick Fury "how could he know?" the biggest one. CAPTAIN AMERICA. Captain American had been around 60 years before.

[@WebSpyder777]

So far as anyone knew, Cap was dead, so really wouldn't factor in.

[@BATMAN-gh1nf]

But people knew of him, even if he was missing at the time.

[@Paulafan5]

We don't know when they found Captain America, or how long before they decided to thaw him. They didn't just find him and thaw him out immediately. Colson watched him while he was still frozen (creepy, right?).

[@DerpDevilDD]

Yes, we do know. There is a date for when Cap was thawed. Why do people keep saying this?

[@ianmoseley9910]

Ocek Perhaps he also had files on Wonder Woman from WW1?

[@bryanalexander7571]

The Banner one gets on my nerves whenever I hear it. You have a character who's entire development is based around an effort to get his transformations under control but when that happens, people are unwilling to accept it because it is "Out of nowhere".

[@iiMisterLonely]

Well, such is society. Especially when they don't count Norton's Hulk; where they showed him managing to control the Hulk at the end of the movie (Well, semi-control...?).

[@XcocomocoX]

iiMisterLonely easy explanation

[@DaVeganZombie]

Aside from Cap's like... 2 second CGI cameo in the Norton Hulk there's like... Nothing tying the previous Hulk's to this universe. It's easier to just say Ruffalo's Hulk/Banner are introduced at a point in their life when they have already gotten the issue under control and thus, the issue is solved altogether.

[@XopheAdethri]

The iron man suit argument is easy, that was an auxiliary emergency suit at the start of 2. Thanos could have taken the stones from Loki at any time after he's knows Loki has them secured.

[@derbaba5266]

i would rather say the most dmg comes from the heat and not that much from the electricity, 'cause you see his suit glowing at the points, where thor hits him. + like he said before, suit evolution

[@prince_nocturne]

+CJ Phoenix I disagree that Thanos doesn't have the ability to fight the Sorcerers, but why do yourself what you can send a powerful underling to do for you?

[@OfficialTRYPlus]

Well, for instance, Doctor Strange was able to defeat Dormammu and that the ancient one is protecting The Eye of Agamotto for a long time and Thanos was unable to take it from them can be depicted as the disability of Thanos against magic.

[@Sharikacat]

@@OfficialTRYPlus Dr Strange had to use the Time Stone to stalemate Dormammu into submission, and at the time, he didn't truly appreciate the devastation he could have caused if things went wrong. Remember that Stark wanted Strange to weaponize the Time Stone against Thanos, but Strange wouldn't allow it. Thanos didn't need to move on the Time Stone *because* Earth's sorcerers kept it so safe. He roughly knew where it would be and could go there when circumstances were more beneficial.

[@fatenabu1]

Just want to say I knew who Pollock was at age 8. I would guess that since his mother had cancer and seemed to be stuck in bed and in hospitals a lot she did things with her son that she could actually do. Such as listen and share music with him. It would not be a stretch for her to share art with him as well. I know some hospitals actually do have art magazines in waiting rooms and sometimes in rooms themselves to keep people occupied. After seeing the first Captain America film and the Original Human Torch Easter Egg. Retroactively I sort of wonder if Nick Fury wasn't also talking about Jim Hammond/Human Torch and Toro.

[@doctorscience5095]

Dustin Gibbons Fury also could have been referring to Hank Pym's Ant-Man, trying to bring him out of retirement, or just because he's another hero out there

[@fatenabu1]

Yep totally agree :)

[@maxxcreese9911]

add in the fact that ghost rider johnny blaze exists(yeah i know he was in agents of shield but it counts)

[@disneydork100]

That and I learned about Polluck in my elementary school art class, I'm pretty sure we were talking about abstract art and how you don't have to be good at traditional looking art to be an artist (kinda off topic but did anyone else's class read that book about the girl who drew dots? That book was excellent)

[@tunka1971]

I think he also probably meant a Black Panther (seeing how the trailers imply the costume was given through generations), probably Namor (we see a dot in the atlantic appear in IM2). Not sure about Ghost Rider, but even without him - that brings the IM count to at least 8 heroes that Fury knew of. Furthermore - we see dots in Britain (Captain Britain, maybe ?).

[@groot3737]

I am Groot

[@grandsonofvader]

Groot I agree

[@groot3737]

I am Groot?

[@jeremylunsford5398]

See,this guy gets it.

[@groot3737]

Jeremy Lunsford I am Groot?

[@MegaDcmp]

Nice try, but this can't really be Groot. Groot would have only been able to type "I am Groot" as his name when creating his account, and his reply to Jeremy Lunsford would not have said "Jeremy Lunsford I am Groot," it would have said "I am Groot I am Groot?"

[@adipramana7]

As an addendum to that last one, the final shot of Banner in The Incredible Hulk tells us that he is capable of controlling his power

[@MrrMechassult]

another thing with Bruce "suddenly" being able to control the Hulk is that people forget The incredible Hulk with Edward Norton is actually canon. Even though they did an actor switch it is the same Hulk as Mark Ruffalo's Hulk. He learns to control it by the end of The Incredible Hulk.

[@soraceant]

Matt Conklin i wouldnt say its the exact same hulk since norton's hulk wouldnt have attempted suicide and already had a love interest...

[@VCA12]

when Ruffalo's banner said he attempted suicide he is talking of an actual scene in The Incredible Hulk with Edward Norton which was deleted. In the beginning of the movie, if the scene were there still, Banner was in the north pole (maybe) and shoot himself. You can still find it, so yes. It was canon that the MCU Hulk (Norton and Ruffalo) tried to kill itself. you can watch it here, but I think you can find it in better quality: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5q1qa2De7Kajbs

[@soraceant]

The Art of Creation oh nice then that answers that question. But what about the love interest?

[@justarandomveryintelligent8934]

Jude Ceant her dad is in civil war she's still around just not explored yet kinda like how we haven't seen Jane foster since Thor 2

[@VCA12]

Maybe he just left her go. Sometimes people just moves on after being apart from each other for a long time. For example, as explained in The Incredible Hulk, Bruce was engaged with her before he had the accident and turned into the Hulk. Years after, we see her with a new boyfriend. He might has just let her go. You can see in AOU how he is trying to convince Natasha to step back, because he strongly believes there's no future with him. That's an explanation

[@frankgarret2291]

The real Civil War plot hole was the scene where Ross is browbeating the avengers and no one points out that in 2/3 cases, the government was the root of the problem.

[@brettpgh3312]

That is true. The whole time he's going on you think someone would have brought up, "Didn't you send a bunch of attack helicopters into Harlem? You know, to deal with the monster you personally created?"

[@z0mb055]

Frank Garret Theyre talking bout things that of as plotholes but aren’t given a not necessarily obvious all the time but still present nonetheless explanation.

[@TheNiggler17]

General Ross: You are a danger to society Captain America: Didn't you try and nuke manhattan General Ross: Um no Iron Man: Yeah you did Bruce Banner: Isn't Abomination one of your soldiers General Ross: Ummmmmm Nick Fury: Also the Chitauri would have invaded even if The Avengers never formed

[@sinfulbehaviors2004]

I mean, people don't want to acknowledge their government is doing shady things, so a General saying "it's the superheroes who are to blame" isn't that weird.

[@markhendley5559]

Since when does the government admit it's the problem?

[@30secondstomarsMBH]

I just realised. Thanos wouldn't have had 2 infinity stones, if he took Earth.... He'd have had 4. Mind Stone Space Stone AND.... REALITY AND TIME STONES. Nowhere in the films does it say Thanos hasn't already had information on where most if not all of the stones are. He knows where they are. What if, this invasion coming in Infinity War, isn't his first, but his SECOND. What if, he intented in Avengers, to have Loki invade Earth, so that he can then take both the Mind Stone and the Space Stone, and THEN, he'd go and hunt down the Time Stone/Eye of Agamotto, and defeat the Ancient One, before entering the alternate dimension in which the Reality Stone is being kept and stealing that. He sent Ronan to get the Power Stone, so that's how he's going to get that, and as such the only other stone missing is the Soul Stone, which we have no idea where it is. And then, what if, Loki actually wanted to STOP Thanos. Hence why he wanted to bring the Avengers together. He always said he wanted the approval of Odin and Thor, and he wanted to prove he would be a good king. What could be more proof, than secretly infiltrating Thanos' crew, him being the biggest baddie in the universe, stealing his Infinity Stones, bringing together a group of heroes, and stopping Thanos from taking the universe. His manipulative cunning abilities, would have been shown to be what is necessary to take down the most evil guy in the universe, he would have been shown to have shown leadership, doing what is necessary to end Thanos, even if that meant acting like a Tyrant himself, and even if it meant the death of millions, (insert AoU omelette joke) and therefore he'd have proven himself to be more worthy of the crown than either Thor or Odin. Odin rejected war, even when it seemed the only option, simply delaying the inevitable, Thor on the other hand COURTED war to a point where when it wasn't necessary, he wanted it anyway. Loki would have shown to have used all and any means to protect everybody, and the universe. However, he was taken captive, and then sent back home. Not only that but Thanos moved faster than he anticipated to fix his mess. That's the only explanation I can give for why Loki wanted to bring together the Avengers. And I think it might finally be resolved in Infinity War. I mean, why else would he ALWAYS end up helping Thor, even when it seems like he's doing something against his character? This entire plan, seems to be the most Loki plan ever.

[@grdprojekt]

yes

[@blackmars2811]

30secondstomarsMBH you wrote all of this and only got 10 likes😂 rip

[@YourMajesty143]

This was so beautifully written, and yes it does turn out Loki wanted to protect Thor. He was very sad about his mother and Odin's death. We may never know if he was truly going to betray Thanos in the first Avengers film, but we see him doing it in the 3rd Avengers film and so I can only suspect that Loki was never actually a villain, just neglected and misguided.

[@LordVader1094]

@@YourMajesty143 Sounds about right to me.

[@optimisms]

yo i don’t believe it at all in terms of what marvel intended or what endgame will turn out to be but I LOVE IT BEAUTIFUL 5 STARS

[@zwordsman]

There are a WHOLE LOT of implications that Loki was in fact .. under the mind stone's power, Thanos having used it on Loki, who was resisting it, and thus snuck it into the scepter as a means to perform constant control. The psychic guy is implied to have a connection to hte mind stone-similar to Wanda later and that is how he can abruptly call and cut off the call to loki as he pleases, as well as cause issues over long distances to loki. Looking at Loki's characterization in Avengers, vs his character in... every other apparence. He is so much more dull in Avengers, seemingly can not use any real magic that he could before or after. and.. as soon as he loses the scepter, and sustains a strong impact (hulk) he gives up and.. is all to happy to never ever work with Thanos again. or even see im again. More evidence by the fact he didn't send Thanos the Tesseract when he was Odin for 1-2 years and loki had absolutely no reason to really go after Earth in the first place either. We also know that Loki.. simply sees no point in trying to explain his side of things. He was named successor in the first Thor. right and proper. in Thor 2, he actually seemed rather content, and was quite willing ot help his brother-and for Odin honestly just seemed to want to know what his father truly thought of it him. Thor 3 he pretty willingly helps with it all. sans that one moment-which later speaking pretty clearly shows they both were kinda just going through the motions as siblings. and his stuff in Infinity War. Honestly.. its only in Avengers that he actually acts as a true villain or even as a murderer. Same as Hawkeye when under control. Skills were lessened, dullard persaonlity, regained themselves after impact. all of that implies that Thanos saw Loki as a strong pawn, but one that he didn't want to make into his family. but saw great opporutnity given Loki's memories of Earth and such.

[@zwordsman]

Also as Infinity War proves.. Thanos is weirdly entirely happy to give stones to his "family" trusted aides folks so it seems like it could easily have been given to the psychic guy who used it to control loki etc. and really the main issues with the inifinity stoens was finding them first. rather than securing them

[@Sharikacat]

@@zwordsman Loki was never under mind control. It's far more likely that after Thanos' minions found him after he fell from the Bifrost, Loki either agreed or offered to assist Thanos so he could get revenge on Thor and/or be given a realm to rule to sate his ego. Since Loki failed spectacularly and would surely be hunted down by Thanos for that failure, he faked his own death in Thor 2. As a bonus, he was able to displace Odin and rule Asgard, so win-win. However, during Ragnarok, he snatches the Tessaract, which he can then give to Thanos (see the start of Infinity War) so he can technically say he fulfilled his mission of obtaining the Space Stone and avoid Thanos' wrath. Except he then succumbs to his conscience and tries to live up to Thor's expectations by betraying Thanos, which only gets him killed.

[@rosvel92]

@@zwordsman Loki in the Avengers is a huge plot-hole that never has made sense, he was evil, but never Osama Bin Laden evil.

[@PwnzTube]

I think you can kinda see throughout the guardians of the galaxy movies that Earth pop culture makes it into many aspects of universal life. I always liked to think this was just a matter of different MCU aliens visiting earth and traveling back with goods. Even a less evolved civilization would produce some unique inventions sure to capture the attention of advanced cultures in space. I mean when humans "discover" a group of other humans who have remained isolated from the larger part of society we are always interested in what they do and how they live as well. I think its just the nature of thinking beings in general to be curious.

[@sarafontanini7051]

also Nick Fury knows abotu CAPTAIN AMERICA by that point, probably, especially since we don't know really know at what point Steve is unforzen

[@RoasterProductions]

Sara Fontanini and he is set to appear in Captain Marvel as a co-star, a movie that is set in the 90s.

[@brettpgh3312]

I was surprised they didn't mention the original Ant-Man as well.

[@Argornash]

He is probably appearing in a cameo during present day then because when cap wakes up for the first time Fury tells him he's been sleeping for near 70 years. 45 + ~70 = ~2015 or somewhere between 2010-2015 most likely early 2012 when avengers takes place. But Fury would still know about Ant Man, Captain Marvel, Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and potentially other superheroes we may not have heard of just yet (cough cough if xmen or FF ever get brought back to marvel cough).

[@DerpDevilDD]

We do know when Steve was thawed. You can look it up. It was only months before Loki showed up.

[@CasualNotice]

To be fair, he may not have known if Cap was still alive, but they discovered the plane first and started digging it out. If you're familiar with government-funded projects, you know how long that probably took.

[@mitchellneu]

Also about the "Banner in control of Hulk" thing...remember The Incredible Hulk? At the very end, Banner meditates and willingly begins to transform into the Hulk(as evidenced by the bright green eyes and the smile before the cut to black). So Bruce Banner could control his actions as the Hulk waaaaay before The Avengers even began.

[@phillipcarson2544]

Also on the Tony Quits Iron Man thread, he breaks it down for Steve in CIVIL WAR. "I almost lost Pepper. So I quit. Then Hydra came back, then Ultron showed up, and then and then and then.... I can't quit, because the truth is I don't really want to." It was the whole reason he's not with Pepper anymore.

[@alexiswilliams4489]

re: Nick Fury's "You think you're the only superhero?": There was also Ant-Man & the Wasp in the 80s.

[@Alassandros]

I hope the movies explain that Odin and Asgard is the reason Thanos didn't act until they were gone. 1, that's why he sent Loki to Earth instead of going himself as sending an Asgardian like a recently fallen prince would likely avoid the full military response of Asgard. 2, he couldn't go to Nidalvalier until it lost the protection of Asgard. 3, he waited until after Hela destroyed the entire Asgardian army, Thor lost his hammer, and Odin and Hela died. 4, Xandar was not part of Asgardian protection so he went there first in order to overpower the remains of Asgard with the Power Stone so that he can aquire the Space Stone allowing him free instant travel to the remaining stones. I also like to think Tony blew up Thanos's first ship when he threw that nuke at the Chitari in Avengers 1 this delaying his actions and proving Earth was a tougher job and required a larger force and or more powerful force to conquer it, which is why he seeks it out in a full on assault last. The attempted to relcaim the Mind Stone and to also claim the Time Stone were both done in small groups as surprise attacks.

[@willreading4958]

I dont think anyone is stupid enough to think there aren't any other superheroes in the world before iron man. He's the first in a series of Avengers being introduced but this is the marvel universe being adapted pretty accurately with a few creative changes where hundreds of heroes exist well before iron man, Captain marvel for example. Ive never heard of anyone thinking this was a plot hole

[@willreading4958]

I'm high af btw

[@Jmk3591]

not going to lie I never knew/realized about Banner being able to control himself or that the infinity stone was the mind stone so thanks for the info

[@Alassandros]

Plus, Ant Man, Goliath and the Wasp has been around since the 80's and in contact with SHIELD. Fury would have been aware of them as well at the time of the first Avengers mention.

[@mollymcdade4031]

It’s not a ‘plot hole’ but there is certainly a gap in the continuity between Loki falling from the Byfrost and him appearing in the Avengers

[@candyman7567]

Tilda Adade Thanos saved him, that's why Loki's working for him in the avengers

[@wallywest4727]

No gap at all, shortly after Thor he fell into Thanos hands and from there was working for him, also the time gap between Thor and Avengers isn't that long.

[@z0mb055]

Tilda Adade He was obviously taken in by Thanos, the Other & the Chitari after that.

[@Paulafan5]

It's assumed that Thanos (or his minions) saved Loki and struck a deal. But it would have been nice if they just flat out said it.

[@nicholisjackson3624]

Paulafan5 they did

[@jensnielsen95]

What I really like, is that the "I am Iron Man" thread continues into Spiderman Homecoming! Tony realized throughout his movies that he actually is Iron Man with or without the suit. (meaning he is a hero regardless of wether he has the suit or not). This is exactly what Tony wants to teach Peter in Homecoming, that even though Tony can give him a fancy suit with a bunch of gagdets and gizmos, its still Peter who has to be the hero at the end of the day. I love how brilliantly these movies are put together in a cohesive and logic way.

[@tracesizemore6736]

Hold up, if Banner can control his hulk powers and transformations then why does he need black widow to sexy talk him into calming down? Or can he only control turning into the hulk and once he's the hulk his control is limited?

[@armedkevin1178]

Imagine a cage with a nasty feral cat in it. It's a lot easier to keep the cage closed and not let the cat out than to stuff it back in once the door's open.

[@dlcshadowheartlordofdomina7504]

George Several people explained it above, but basically 99% of the time (100% barring unexpected outside intervention) he's able to control whether or not he becomes the Hulk but it's a one-way street. He can go Hulk at will, he just hasn't figured out how stop being Hulk at will.

[@iridescent6685]

The Hulk would have to want to and figure out how to become Banner so that's not happening any time soon.

[@carsontetric3018]

Banner can keep the Hulk focused, but only for so long. He can't directly control that power. He keeps the Hulk from rampaging by utilizing the rage upon certain targets, but once the rage reaches a certain level, Banner starts to lose control.

[@Churro_Flaminguez]

You can tell he doesn't have full control over the Hulk by the way he talks about him. He can control his anger spilling over into rage, but he could be "triggered" by circumstances of course, and once he's the green rage monster he starts to lose himself. Quite a few lines of dialogue that hint at this or say it outright.

[@SidneyJupiter]

And captain America was set in the past, that’s another fury would know

[@chinaskibloodline]

There was the original Ant Man, and the Wasp operating in the 80's, according to Ant Man too

[@Drileyj]

This helped explain some confusion I had thx

[@EmileVinesh]

2. Tony said in Civil War that he blew his suits up, but started again with building the suits because he didn't want to stop. It caused a rift between him and Pepper and it was the reason why Tony wanted to sign the accoords too. He said that when speaking to Steve Rogers. However in Spider-Man Homecoming they announce their engagement (since Spider-Man refused the offer to join the Avengers).

[@ethanschortinghuis3622]

Great video. Refreshing to see someone using and stretching the facts in favor of the fictional plotlines instead of against. Would love to see more.

[@gavinfankhauser5867]

If Thanos knows / can sense the stones Earth is the perfect target. As of Doctor Strange we know that at least 2 stones have been on Earth a long time. The tesseract and the Eye of Agamotto (the time stone). So for the loan of one, don't think for a second he'd let Loki keep it, he may get access to 3 (the scepter and the 2 others.). Some have also pointed out that the battle was before the convergence in Thor 2, meaning an Earth under his boot may have made it easier to get another stone in a year or so.

[@Epags1996]

The Iron man one is still a plot hole. He told a villain where his house is and his first decision was not to turn on the house party protocol?

[@pshuckle7488]

Probably because he got a big head after he helped defeat a huge alien army.

[@Allan-kx1zd]

That's not a plot hole, that's a dumb character choice.

[@YourMajesty143]

Iron Man, for all his genius, was never a tactical or strategic guy. Whenever a plan was needed, the team looked to Cap. Even in the comics, Stark's arrogance always got him into trouble. He's his own worst enemy.

[@RollingxBigshot]

Why did tony wait so long to remove the shrapnel from his chest? It seems like that could have been done a long time ago

[@nosrepsuomynona7192]

RollingxBigshot maybe he was obsessed with playing the victim

[@mrrd4444]

He believes he can solve all his own problems himself and he's an inventor who makes solutions for the world. He believed the arc reactor was his solution. It's part ego, part fear of the unknown. Also presumably that level of heart surgery was not impossible, but certainly chock full of risks he was afraid to take, something out of his control, so until he realized he could trust other people to truly help him, he held off.

[@dontfeedthetrolls9798]

Because he wasn't ready to mentally. It's easy to forget because he's so flashy and snarky, but Tony was deeply traumatized in Iron Man. The suit, and by extension the arc reactor, became something of a security blanket for him. They gave him a sense of purpose, but also a sense of control. That speech at the end of the movie really says it all. The suit and the journey from weapons manufacturer to super-hero was initially defined by the suit; the suit was his "cocoon." When he said "I am Iron Man," he was recognizing that it WASN'T the suit that made him special. Iron Man ISN'T the suit. TONY is Iron Man--and he doesn't need the suit or the arc reactor to BE Iron Man.

[@spartakalania7716]

Don't Feed The Trolls and that's why I like in iron man 3. Well said.

[@dontfeedthetrolls9798]

Thanks, Spartak; me too.

[@BIGGUY0683]

Anybody remember towards the end of the Ed Norton Hulk movie where due to his learnings from his breathing training in Brazil, he could already control his powers?

[@DanielS2001]

For number 1, we also see Bruce apparently able to see him "activate" his Hulk ability at the end of the Incredible Hulk film, which the events of that film are canon.

[@pacoramon9468]

Too many of these are releted to Iron Man 3.

[@JenniferMcMahonhawaii78]

Zemo’s plan totally made sense ,..what fucked it up was that letter from Capt. to Tony at the end of the movie... basically negating all of the stakes of Civil War.. I am hoping that at that time, both Tony and Capt. were aliens ala Secret Invasion... however ,if that’s not the case; then that was a bad way to end that film , which was a perfect film before that UPS letter scene.... which because of that mistake...means the film for moi goes from an A+ to an A- maybe even more so a B+.

[@WebSpyder777]

I disagree. Cap's issue wasn't with Tony. The whole end fight was because Bucky killed Tony's mom and to a lesser degree because Cap knew about it and withheld the information. No part of that scene indicates that Tony forgives Steve. The Avengers are disassembled which was the entire purpose of doing Civil War before Infinity War.

[@mrrd4444]

I don't think it does. Cap's letter didn't magically fix everything; just because Tony doesn't want to catch his old team or kill them doesn't mean he agrees with them. He never agreed with the Accords in the first place, but he knew how to compromise where Steve didn't. Their relationship was never the stake in the film, and so Steve making attempts to smooth it doesn't change the outcome of the Marvel Universe.

[@guyr3618]

The letter doesn't fix anything, it's just a note of hope to end the movie. Tony and Steve still hold opposite ideologies, and the Avengers are still split apart, and there's still a lot of bad blood between everyone. It's like the ending of 'Empire Strikes Back' - the movie doesn't end with Luke falling down the shaft and Han captured, it ends a bit later, after Luke is saved, when there's a slight note of hope. It doesn't negate the stakes, it just shows a hint of a possible brighter future.

[@jedidethfreak]

The problem with the Extremis plothole is that it's hinted that Tony Stark solved the "people blowing up" problem. That whole throwaway line of "I almost solved this drunk 20 years ago" was specifically added in for this. Basically, Tony perfected Extremis, and it's never used again. That is the plothole.

[@mrrd4444]

jedidethfreak I feel like even without blowing people up, superheating and other super aspects of Extremis would have side effects down the line. It's dangerous technology that hasn't been tested over years by somebody who actually cares about human life. Maybe Tony gave it over to a team to study it and figure out all the risks. Maybe the risks were too great, maybe it's still being studied. You can't give somebody a cool new power injection only to have them die of cancer or cell degradation in the next ten years.

[@jedidethfreak]

That's the thing, though - Extremis, as presented in the video, IS the cure for cancer. It would literally solve all medical conditions. If Tony managed to cure Pepper of the explosive side effects (and it's heavily hinted that he used it on himself, too), then Stark Industries has a patentable cure for every form of cancer, AIDS, HIV, bone disorders, heart disease, genetic defects, and almost anything else you can imagine. But, like so many characters on Saved by the Bell, it was never seen nor heard from again.

[@mrrd4444]

Maybe Tony DID bring it up to Rhodey and Rhodey refused. A lot of things happen offscreen we never see, and the MCU while existing in the same universe makes it a point not to muddy plots from one film into another film, so they don't suck as standalones. IDK apparently they used it in Agents of SHIELD and though I haven't watched it I'm sure they covered episodes in which they tell us why Extremis isn't a viable option. Or something.

[@christopherdraper3692]

Extremis is used again in the MCU just not in any of the films. it returns in Agents of shield as a principle ingredient of the "centipede serum" used by project centipede (HYDRA) to create super soldiers

[@buddhidev7877]

Zemo's plan was brilliant and I consider he's one of the best MCU villain playing by one of a very good actor.

[@oatmealboy6]

General comment about Iron Man 3: the movie is basically a framed narrative, told in past tense by Tony Stark to Bruce Banner. Therefore, you could technically discount any of it as being non-continuity, because it's Tony telling a story, instead of us seeing events unfold in real time.

[@ikmnification5737]

Based on The Sokovia Accords, Spider-Man should've been arrested when he decided not to join The Avengers.

[@emmahoward6706]

IKMNification spidey kinda has a loophole because he isn't an adult so he can't sign federal documents. Aunt may would have to and I don't think Peter'd go up to aunt may and say "Hey I need you to sign the Sokovia accords for me I'm spiderman" and Tony promised Peter not to tell aunt may

[@MegaZeta]

Wrong. The Sokovia Accords aren't the (vague, poorly defined) registration laws from the comics. All the Sokovia Accords are said to do in the movie is put the _Avengers_ , specifically, under UN control.

[@Hello-fe6bk]

He is just a hero like daredevil

[@silvercomics3517]

He’s fifteen/sixteen, so his signature isn’t legally binding

[@rafaelcampuzano8701]

This channel = Marvel apologists and Dc haters

[@spiderdalorian5666]

Rafael Campuzano so if someone likes marvel movies then they hate everything dc and are huge die hard marvel fans yeah makes sense

[@spiderdalorian5666]

Rafael Campuzano that comment=has no evidence and is cliche

[@spartakalania7716]

Awsomehead Coolface so true

[@spiderdalorian5666]

Spartak Alania what’s true ????

[@spartakalania7716]

Awsomehead Coolface your comment👍

[@ben87graves]

Some of these plot holes bugged me for years so I'm glad you guys cleared all these up for us. Now I can watch the movies all over again with this new info about the films.

[@gokulauri]

I never actually thought about the Hulk plot hole like that. Makes perfect sense now that you explained it

[@Jacket-b9t]

I know this video is old but for anyone who may be wondering. Zemo intentionally calls the hotel maid lady and has her enter the room. Zemos intention was obviously for her to find the body of the psychiatrist, which leads to there being a news report on it for tony to see.

[@VitahniVaughn]

for #2: there is also another significance of that scene that actually shows in spider-man homecoming. Tony wasn't retiring the identity of iron man; just changing location since his house is pretty much demolished. that being said, it was already was stated in the video and in the movie (Iron man 3) that prior to it all (especially the first avengers movie which brought up this entire situation), Tony kind of saw his suits as a crutch, and once a situation came in which even his best suits couldn't be the answer to his biggest problems, he had to learn to utilize and survive without it, eventually realizing that he is the one that is meant to be a hero of the planet, not his suit. Then in Spider-man: Homecoming, Right when he was about to take away Peter's suit, Peter said that he (himself) was nothing without the suit, then Tony (speaking from experience obviously) said "if you are nothing without the suit, the you shouldn't be wearing it" which would seem completely ironic and out of place if you neglected all of iron man 3

[@plainOldFool]

The whole 'Banner controlling his powers' bit was also covered in the Incredible Hulk where Banner (Ed Norton's version) is seen beginning a transformation while meditating with a smile at the end of the film

[@shyre836]

Another one that's always brought up is that Quicksilver can't dodge bullets, but he actually is seen to be able to move faster and dodge them, but there are either just too many of them to keep up with and he's always occupied with something else. His death was caused not only because he had just fought an entire battle and was shown to be visibly tired, but he was shielding Hawkeye and the child from the bullets when he grabbed them.

[@lostinfantry]

The part where Fury tells Tony that he isn't the only superhero in the world, he could also be counting Captain America. While the movie itself came out much later, it must also be remembered that it takes place in WW2 and that Fury is a former Howling Commando. While he may have never worked with Steve himself, he would have heard the stories. Fury may not have known that Steve was still alive, (if frozen in ice) but it still would have been a point that it shows that there have been superheroes before Tony became Iron Man that Fury knew about.

[@ianpg9891]

3:08 it is also explained in detail in one of the tie in comics. I think it’s the Thor: The Dark World Prelude.

[@CronoTime]

1. It was also shown in the post credit scene of the Hulk with Edward Norton, which is official given the addition of Thunder Bolt Ross in Civil War, he was meditating and his eyes glowed green with a smile, showing he has had control for a decent time

[@hylianchriss]

Great list. Finally someone on the internet with a brain and that has actually been paying attention to the movies. I want to add to the last last spot on the list that we are also shown in that "Sort of Hulk movie" (2008) that Banner finally through meditation and what-not learned to bring out (and possibly control) the beast at will, furthering the point that he can in fact control it through-out all of Avengers 1 and 2. The only exceptions are the time in Avengers 1 and then again in Avengers 2 where outside forces are affecting his mind (Loki's scepter and Scarlet Witch) which forces him to lose control and transform into a mindless beast.

[@davejones5705]

No. 9. Quill's knowledge of Jackson Pollack's work is easy to explain. Awesome Mix Volume 1 (and later Volume 2) were Meredith Quill's way of sharing the music that she loved with her son. It is plausible that she shared more than just music with him, she probable also shared the art and artists that she liked, such as Jackson Pollack.

[@happyskull1673]

Those explanations were great especially the Hulk stuff with Banner controlling his powers in one movie and then seeming to lose control in the next, but as you say this is down to circumstance and the infinity stone influencing his behavior, it is a shame these kinds of explanations can't be better told in the story as it is so frustrating to have these burning questions during the film when you just want to sit and take it all in, but hey it is what it is, and it always a good thing having these video channels to clear the air as it was not that long ago before the internet us simple folk would just have to sit and wait for news via a magazine or special comic release... LONG LIVE THE MCU!!!!

[@wanderlustwarrior]

As other commenters have pointed out, some of these both have other questions and other answers: 10. The whips weren't mainly electricity, but had plasma and other energy as well. Also, Thor's electricity was kinda sorta magic, and was also doing damage. 9. I had the same question - how did Quill know to make that joke? 8. Bigger question - where was SHIELD? Probably distracted by HYDRA or the vice-president, but still could've used an answer. 6. Few knew it was a stone. And given what we know about the extent of his power, he probably could've just shown up and taken it back easily if he weren't trying to "court death". 5. We know there are. Cap, Hank Pym and Janet van Dyne, and Bruce Banner have all worked in some capacity with SHIELD by this point, in addition to the other talented but less-enhanced people like Hawkeye and Black Widow, and others named like Captain Marvel. For this same reason, Vision's math in Age of Ultron was way off. It's not that Tony kicked off a new age, it's just that he was the start of things being less clandestine because he's an attention hound. 4. Zemo's plan was transparently a semi-desperate Plan B. The whole thing would've been avoided if that guy he drowned had just told him what he wanted. 3. Extremis shows up elsewhere in the MCU outside of films. My bigger concern was "how did Pepper's bra not burn?" 2. Civil War spells out that he didn't retire, he grew dependent on it. 1. THIS IS WHY people need to stop underrating the Edward Norton Hulk film. Its end credits scene was specifically showing him learning to control the Hulk. Plus, I liked that film.

[@jtvprodesign]

people should make more video like this, very inspiring. I like how you explain how each of these movie are great, and how other misinterpreted the story. Thank you for this.

[@SuperSongbird21]

I think the "Dark Energy" thing also had a mention in Thor: The Dark World - the Dark Energy is apparently a thing from Malekith's world/realm and the fact that Odin used it to send Thor to Earth to bring back Loki gave Malekith his chance to break into Asgard and get revenge on the Asgardians. Kinda makes you wonder just how desperate Odin and Thor were to get Loki back if their best option was using an evil power that would end up giving them another problem.

[@katearcher8514]

In addition. When I hear any mention of "plot holes" about Hulk, I feel the urge to make a video myself. I just.. I don't know, somehow I always felt him, in every film, and his line has always been solid and consistent and clear to me. So. 1. The Hulk is overwhelming for Bruce, at times of danger to their shared body the Hulk just takes over. Bruce had been training since the 2008 film to restrain him the best he could. The Hulk is always near the surface and all Bruce has to do is relax his self-restrain and the Hulk's let loose. He doesn't control the beast, he just does everything he can to keep him inside, so on the ship he lost it. But in final battle he relaxes his grip on purpose. Hence - "I'm always angry (I'm just always trying not to be)". 2. The Hulk "switches off" when he's tired, I suppose. So they need Natasha to make him calm at the right moment. 3. The Hulk and Bruce are not characters frozen in time, they evolve, grow and learn. I hate to hear something like "He couldn't do this before, why can he now??" He's learnt how to!! After two years among talking individuals no wonder Hulk's figured out how to produce some sort of speech. As for his leading role for two years - Bruce had been afraid this might happen through all "Age of Ultron", his storyline in this film is particularly tragic and heart-wrenching for me. He's scared, he's insecure, he doesn't feel in control - and that's precisely what gives the Hulk power over him. 4. After all this I think it's even redundant to mention Hulk's behaviour in IW. Their relationship has led to this through all the films they were in. It's actually quite dramatic and painful and confusing, and I wouldn't want to be Bruce Banner, to be honest. To those who still have doubts I recommend rewatching all the films Banner and Hulk are in, concentrating on them, their words, actions and facial expressions. It's all there, fellows, use your eyes, ears and a little compassion.

[@toast9928]

There's also the whole "8 years later" thing from Spider-Man which implies that Spider-Man takes place in 2020 since The Avengers came out in 2012. However, since Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Thor and the end of Captain America (when he wakes up) all took place in the space of a week in 2008 (known as "Fury's Big Week") it makes sense for The Avengers to take place a year after that in 2009 (with Iron Man 2 happening somewhere in between). Meaning that Spider-Man does in fact take place in 2017.

[@danielrolon7984]

Also, in the Incredible Hulk movie, in the post credit scene, you can see Banner (Edward Norton) meditating. His eyes suddenly become green, meaning he was actually meditating to learn how to control his power, and succeeded.

[@SidneyMosley]

And as far as the Hulk goes on controlling his transformations... back during the end of the movie "The Incredible Hulk" (which yes it IS cannon to the MCU) we see Banner (who at the time was being played by Ed Norton) was meditating and channeling his anger to the point where his eyes went green and the days without incident counter went down to 0 which means by the end of the Incredible Hulk he was at least at the beginning stages of channeling and harboring his anger so he could Hulk out at will.

[@FriezaDBZKing69]

Hulk learning to control his powers was also a teased thing at the end of Incredible Hulk when Edward Norton is shown throughout the film learning how to meditate and control his aggression.

[@RocketHarry865]

The house party protocol not being active before tony house got destroyed was that Tony had gotten arrogant and did not expect that the ten rings(actually AIM) would dare to attack his house so quickly.

[@AkumaFromYomi]

This is what makes what Tony says to Peter in Spider Man: Homecoming even more powerful " If you are nothing without the suit you shouldn't have it."

[@zioming]

#3 Tony never says he removed extremis from Pepper's body. The exact words he used were that he "fixed it". From what we're seen in the movie the extremis causes the body to undergo a dangerous mutation, something that's not so easily reversed, possible even impossible to reverse. Since Tony knew how to fix the "glitch" in extremis that caused people to overheat and blow up, it's a much more likely scenario that he fixed the glitch in Pepper's extremis to make it safe for her to use it. For one it fits with Tony's desire to protect Pepper. It also explains the absence of Pepper in the following movies. After all she went through it stands to reason that she would need some time away to adjust to this change.

[@prince_nocturne]

2 things missed: SHIELD also knows about Hank Pim Ant-Man, as he was active in the 70's covertly, likely for an organization that became SHIELD. Also: Captain America was in World War 2. ALSO also everything with Falcon, as he and his wingmate were using those wing suits in the military before he was honorably discharged. They also imply that Falcon might have a purple heart. Would be pretty cool to see it. Second: Part of the reason that Loki had an infinity stone is addressed later. In Age of Ultron, it's stated that the infinity stones attract each other, so bringing one to capture another would make sense, especially since it could be known to Thanos that more are hidden on Earth. He might have suspected about the Aether being on Earth at the time (After all, Dark World hadn't happened yet) along with the Time stone in the eye of Agimoto. So at that moment, even without bringing the mind stone, there were already 3 stones on Earth at that time. Bringing a fourth might just have been an attempt to be a catalyst of sorts and awaken the others, or try to draw them out. Thanos knows how these stones work, after all, so he knows that they've got an attraction to each other. And as a bonus to this TLDR post: Banner doesn't have FULL control over his abilities. He has learned over the course of time how to suppress the Hulk in more stressful situations, something he would naturally do. But he can easily still lose control at any moment if pushed too far. And going into the Hulk form isn't him 'in control.' It's the opposite. It's him letting his control go. He only transforms back after crashing into the ground away from the mind-altering effects of Loki and the staff, and after the battle for New York, after he's raged all over and things have calmed down (thus him calming as well). But we don't see how long that takes, he's just as Banner during the epilogue. They use Natasha during Ultron to show that she can calm him quicker, but even that doesn't always work. Natasha even seems very wary of doing it, knowing that one wrong move could set the Hulk off again. Even in the first (canon) Hulk movie, Hulk isn't fully Savage Hulk, the mindless force of nature, there's thought and reason in there somewhere. ...though Earth's Mightiest Heroes' Hulk was the best Hulk.

[@paulaunger3061]

Another aspect on point #4: Zemo wanted to destroy all the other Winter Soldiers - it wasn't just about destroying Stark and the Avengers, but making sure there were no more 'enhanced' individuals.

[@euanator301]

A theory I heard was that the Hulk doesn't only appear when Banner is angry, It appears when his life is threatened he even says "I put a bullet in my mouth and the other guy spit it out". The reason he lost control on the Heli-carrier is he was taken by surprise whereas later he controls his transformation and keeps his rationality

[@deertrivia5672]

Pretty sure the Extremis stuff figured into Season 1 of Agents of SHIELD. Also, I read the "Tony retires" thing the same way. He wasn't retiring from being Iron Man, we was taking active ownership of Iron Man. The entire point of the Arc Reactor, and eventually the Iron Man suit, was to keep the shrapnel at bay, and keep him alive. It wasn't something he chose to be, it was something he HAD to be, or else he would die. It was life support. The end of Iron Man 3 is when he really steps into the role. He stops using the Arc Reactor/Suit as a crutch, and makes a choice to become Iron Man of his own free will, not out of necessity.

[@MrThystleblum1]

Ed Norton's Incredible Hulk is MCU canon as evidenced by Tony Stark approaching General Ross (played by William Hurt) about the Avengers initiative in a bar during the post credits scene, and the General's appearance in Captain America: Civil War (still played by William Hurt).

[@pm8rsh233]

I didn't even know why number 1 was ever considered a plot hole. It was pretty much explained throughout the movie. The constant questioning of hulk and his ability to change by natasha and tony was setting up the big reveal at the end that his secret was that he has control over his powers, and has done since the incredible hulk (which even implies at the end that he full control anyway).

[@Alexanderfranksofficial]

#2 In Civil war Tony does in fact mention that he has an obsession with the suits and building them. He says that he tried to stop but he couldn't. Tony has a psychological attachment to them which also breaks him and pepper up.

[@robertpierce6436]

I always saw it as Banner may not be able to always prevent himself from turning into the Hulk. But at the end of Ed Norton's movie, it is shown that he can turn into the Hulk at will whenever he wants.

[@zackara82]

I’m not sure if this was mentioned but another reason thanos could have given Loki the infinity stone was to keep Loki under his control. Because the stone, from what I understand, has the ability to take control of a person’s mind. With the physical appearance of Loki in the movie. It could be said that maybe he wasn’t 100% in control of himself, that may imply that Thanos may have been keeping Loki under the stone’s influence in order to get the other stones on earth.

[@riziak]

Strange was mentioned in Winter Soldier too :)

[@AudioSuede]

Additional detail about the Hulk: In the Incredible Hulk film with Edward Norton, it ends with Banner hiding away in a remote shack specifically training himself to transform at will. He's had the ability since then, and even though the movie is pretty blah overall, it is still MCU canon.

[@danefasick1370]

Thanks for clearing up the Iron Man 3 “retirement” one I’d wondered about that for a while now

[@floydraphael9012]

2 things you left out: 1 = "You think you're the only super hero?" Dont forget, at that moment, Captain America was either recovering from being frozen for 70 years, or still being searched for, by SHIELD. So Fury knew of at least one other super hero that existed out there. 2 = Banner controlling the Hulk at the end of Incredible Hulk, we saw Norton's Bruce Banner meditating, before we see his pupils turn green & he smiles. That implies that Banner was already on the path to controlling the transformation.

[@Hrithik23]

In the "There are other heroes but there aren't" segment, apart from the heroes you mentioned, Captain America was also there, yes, sleeping. But he was there and Fury knew he would eventually wake up.

[@darthfenrir7773]

In regards to number five: Iron Man was the first MCU film, but he wasn't the first superhero/villain in the MCU timeline. Hank Pym was active as Ant-Man before Tony became Iron Man. The Winter Soldier was around since the forties, not to mention any attempts to recreate the supersoldier formula. And if we're going into the TV shows, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. features several incidents that predate Iron Man.

[@JonBoy79]

Also, the Hulk one makes sense for other reasons. The Hulk is always bubbling under the surface. Banner is at the point where he just lets it out. When he says "I'm always angry", he's not lying. Ruffalo is pretty much seething in every scene he's in.

[@staveonbingbing7626]

10. Iron Man was able to put the nuke into space due to his advances from his first suite in the first movie. Makes sense he can absorb electricity by Avengers. 9. Thinking too hard on that one. 8. That's just people not being able to follow a story line. 7. Loki's comment makes your imagination run wild. Something movies use to do until the early 2000's. 6. Not bad. 5. Thinking too hard again. 4. I like the fact we don't have to hear his rant of his plan. 3. Tony is all about weapons manufacturing. Not biowarfare. 2. Storyline. 1. If they did Banner as a borderline multiple personality patient, they could make many different Hulks.

[@evansusmc]

Thanks for making this vid. People are too quick to call everything a plot hole when there's usually an explanation.

[@Disciple_82]

That and at the end of the Incredible Hulk movie with Edward Norton, the end shows him meditating, then opening his eyes and they turn green. He was learning to control his anger (whatever the source may be) so he could control his transformation. That doesn't mean that Bruce doesn't get buried while the Hulk is around.

[@ReMiXNeoNZz]

Another thing to bring up about Bruce controlling his powers.. at the end of Incredible Hulk, he learned he could control them. Since that is technically part of the MCU, since Tony was in the post credits scene and Ross (from that) was in Civil Was, you could say that Incredible Hulk was when Bruce learned to control his powers properly