10 More Harsh Realities Of Rewatching Game of Thrones Part 2

[@Dec4AllTimeAlways]

Harshest reality was people actually wrote those scripts for Season 7 and 8 and they were approved.

[@virginwrists4960]

Why not 6 and 5?

[@nikolaicrawford9042]

Bro people is just d&d two guys wrote the whole show it was them

[@michiganscythian2445]

And won Emmies 😐

[@nickkoch3467]

And that the actors/actresses read these scripts and said these were great directions for the plot and their characters

[@treychambers4154]

@@nickkoch3467 if they disagree , is there even anything they could do about it ?

[@Longshanks1690]

If nothing else, Carmine and Preston’s friendship is one of the best things to have come out of these Wilderness Years of the ASOIAF fandom. That segment of each analysing how they would react if they were in George’s position and needed to get Winds done was pure gold. 😂

[@dra6ke]

In GRRMs case, it is not, “Love is the death of duty;” rather, it is, “Fame is the death of duty.”

[@6Rock6God6]

I wouldn't say George doesn't know how to handle fame and money, I'd say he knows exactly how to handle it, by laying back and relaxing in his twilight years. Sure he isn't a writer anymore but that's not because he can't handle the success.

[@nerzenjaeger]

Same difference.

[@kfizzle5086]

I'd say the show tarnished the books because the showrunners came out and said "no that's how it ends, don't blame us, George told us"

[@johnpotts8308]

The show only tarnished the books because they came to an end whereas the Books haven't. GRRM only has himself to blame for not having produced even Winds (let alone Dream) in the time the entire show came out.

[@ALunarLight]

I have no problem with where the characters ended up my problem is how it was executed so I do blame Dan and Dave. Just because something ends somewhere doesn't mean you don't show the transition. Let's say I make the beautiful wedding cake and a person asked me how I made the cake if I say flour and egg in bowl equals cake. that might be true but you're missing some ingredients and I didn't even mention, panning baking frosting decorating. What are the odds that the person I told is going to be able to bake that wedding cake

[@Neumonics429]

IMHO, I feel like RR Martin fell out of love with his books, he loves the world but isn't in love with the characters. I also think its hard to finish a book designed around the cycle of power rising and falling. It's metaphorically an endless cycle, and it has to be hard to finish a book about a cycle that never ends.

[@jonweman6128]

The sex and violence was part of made it a phenomenon, but more importantly 1. you didn't know who was going to die next and 2. you didn't always know who to root for, for exemple in Battle of Blackwater, many people felt Stannis was more right, but at the same time Tyrion is the character we identify most with. That's what made everyone talk about them.

[@kevinvest9693]

if winds dropped tomorrow people would buy it. I've been waiting 10 + years I'm very jaded and I would by winds of winter tomorrow.

[@b1bbscraz3y]

the thing that, to me, makes ASOIAF so great and better than other fantasy stories is the fact that it was able to be a good and interesting story without needing to have its fantasy aspects in the forefront. the majority of characters in the main story don't believe in magic and dismiss and laugh at it as something that never existed or doesn't exist anymore. the fact that season 1 was arguably the best season of the show and it was the season with the least amount of magic/fantasy in it; there was hardly any magic/fantasy in season 1 outside of the opening scene in the north and the very last scene with the birth of dragons. that's roughly ~20 minutes maybe less of magic/fantasy with ~8/9 hours of a normal nonfiction narrative. the fact that it is able to do that while still being fantasy story and incredibly entertaining makes it so much better than stories that rely on those aspects. without fantasy, magic, or science fiction upfront in Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Star Trek, or Harry Potter those stories would be incredibly basic, they need the fantasy to make it interesting. and even still magic is highly questionable to be real in the story. ASOIAF could have literally substituted every aspect of magic with some more realistic explanation and hardly change; Daenaerys obtains some nuclear level weapon that only she has access to, the Others just a foreign race of people that everyone is scared of. what is Harry Potter without magic. what is Lord of the Rings without orcs and elves or whatever. what is Star Wars without the force and intergalactic space travel that isn't possible to us yet, basically a story about daddy issues

[@nerzenjaeger]

That actually applies for many series people usually deem "magical". Lord of the Rings, heck, even Star Wars.

[@b1bbscraz3y]

@@nerzenjaeger I mention both of those series. it is not the same. interplanetary space travel is at the forefront of Star Wars, that is science fiction technology that isn't available to human beings. the force is a fundamental part of the story as some sort of religious based telekinetic power connected to peoples' nature and ethics. without those Star Wars would have been any other story of good vs evil, almost basically a retelling of World War 2 which everyone has seen before. Lord of the Rings without elves, orcs, etc would be any other story of adventure that people have heard over a million times, it would be incredibly boring. outside the first ~5 minutes and last ~5 minutes of Game of Thrones, ASOIAF was able to keep the audience engaged for hours without any of that in the first season which was arguably the best season of the series and one of the best seasons of television to exist

[@nerzenjaeger]

@@b1bbscraz3y I disagree. In all of these shows/books, the supernatural aspects are the icing on the cake. Lord of the Rings doesn't have that much magic in it, that's a big misconception. And compared to the world of Ice and Fire, I'd even argue that Arda has LESS magic in it, when you look towards the deep eastern parts of Essos.

[@b1bbscraz3y]

@@nerzenjaeger if you notice I didn't mention magic directly for that series. orcs, elves, dwarves, etc are fantastical. if you make that story with those just being different races or ethnicities of normal human beings, the story would be like any other nonfiction story with different races or ethnicities and incredibly boring. the fundamental story of ASOIAF hardly uses the far eastern parts of Essos to drive the story forward and wouldn't lose anything if substituted with nonfictional stories of the far east like we have in our own world

[@nerzenjaeger]

@@b1bbscraz3y Again, I disagree. Lord of the Rings and Star Wars are both more than their stories, which, btw are not boring. That's very obvious to anybody who has ever read any scholarly work on Tolkien.

[@KingOfMadCows]

The weird thing about Cowboy Bebop is that the showrunner is a good writer. He's a writer on Manadalorian. He co-wrote Thor: Rangarok. He was a showrunner on several of Marvel's animated shows like Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes and X-Men: Evolution. And he co-created X-23.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

Part 1 Here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGqsnJ2Jj7iFmJI

[@SB-yp8vp]

I really think the show that deserves credit for the OG HBO edgy sex and gore show was Rome. Just 2 seasons but absolutely great.

[@DreamVikings]

For me the moment the first engine failed was a very specific scene when Melissandre meets Arya in the Riverlands. It wasnt really that a bad scene, but it fell disjointed. Like the brotherhood without banners normally wouldn't have sold one of their own for a pouch of gold. After that I was more critical/perceptive to those inconsistencies as they happened. It went slowly downhill until it reached sand snakes, the moment it all just went to crap.

[@jonweman6128]

Totally agree that felt out of place and also begun the trend of inventing things for the main characters (Gendry in this case) to do when it didn't come natural.

[@perjulianlundbergtande8956]

basically happens in the books too tho

[@DreamVikings]

@@perjulianlundbergtande8956 I dont remember that happening in the books to gendry.... But my first red flag with the books was on feast of crows with the weird nickname named chapters. I didnt care about areo hotah. It felt like the story was becoming too broad in spectrum. Nothing really against the dorne plots, but do we really have time for injecting all these new characters? 20 years later we know we didnt.

[@PBRStreetgang]

YT auto-generated CC - "They weren't given crap lunch."

[@tezatheboffin2184]

I don't think that fame and money has destroyed Grrr's writing ability I just think that he's painted himself into a corner. He says he's a gardener when it comes to writing. Plant the seeds and see what grows. He's planted a jungle with ASOIAF and it's bloomed beyond what any human being could possibly hope to tame. I mean how could you end it? Tell me how 🤷Fair play to him if he manages to pull it off but as an amateur writer myself I can see why he's taking so damn long. He's trying to do the story justice but he's created a monster.

[@kevinvest9693]

house of dragons has been fantastic and the dance of dragons is finished so I'm hopeful it going to be very good from start to finish.

[@juneack5848]

NO DUD WTF? I wanna know what are the Night Kings tax policies.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

He lays it out in the 6th book

[@mattpedia1933]

The show ending absolutely tarnished the books reputation and you can say the books will do the ending better, but you're overlooking the massive point that the show ending is the only ending we are ever going to get. The books are dead, it doesn't matter how good they are or were, dance with dragons is where it ends.

[@Jonjzi]

I believe most of the problems which result from the effect of GoT comes from how others fundamentally misunderstand why it is good. I noticed so many characters in media being brutally killed in a post thrones world without any of thesr deaths being at all meaningful, merely gratuitous. People start to think arbitrarily killing everyone makes a great story but they don't understand what it means to create a character people care about whose death actually matters. They then fail to even explore the consequences of those deaths.

[@doktorcool3740]

As much as I hate to say it: GRRM will NOT be on the same level of fame as JRR Tolkien, if only because he'll never finish his story ark. He may not even finish WoW. As a human, I totally understand that he may be enjoying it more to spend his bazillions of dollars before he dies than sitting down and try to untangle his own web. But in 10 years, when GRRM is most likely dead, he'll become just another author of an unfinished tale. Unless Preston's fan fiction project brings the story to a satisfying ending - which will require way more than the current goal of finishing WoW in a satisfying way.

[@jamesporrell5687]

Goddamn Preston. That analogy of a millionaire giving his money to someone who goes on to become a drug addict is something I’ve struggled with for a decade. Never was a millionaire, but the rest… Fan for life for what you said. Not sure I can agree with you, but I really want to believe it’s not my fault. :( You both did a great job in these episodes! Keep it up brothas

[@highjinx6519]

It’s not your fault but if you stop enabling them they’ll hit bottom quicker and thus maybe get help once they run through anyone else enabling them.

[@sam_c95]

They may have failed to convert the simplest of themes at the end but hey, themes are for eighth graders, am I right?

[@thedanielhicks]

Preston: I saw glimpses of Bridgerton over the shoulder of my wife. Us: Suuuure.....

[@dianacrow8701]

One unfortunate side effect of the *Game of Thrones* juggernaut is that we're probably never going to get a *Memory, Sorrow, & Thorn* adaptation...because it would be accused of copying Thrones with some of the imagery

[@nyz7971]

Bridgerton is set in King George III - Regency era... decades before the Victorian era.

[@khedve]

The Expanse is very GOTish and so damn good.

[@FrancT-]

Guys just read The Accursed kings by Maurice Druon. It’s the book series that inspired Martin write ASOIAF. The series is the original Game of Thrones, according to Martin.

[@Knives7777]

So since winds is never coming out when yall gonna start reading Sanderson?

[@regulomarte6338]

The WoT tv show definetely has it haters among book fans, it's just the youtubers that are associated with WoT that wanted to keep enthusiasm so they kept criticism at the minimum. For me it was bad/mediocre, it didn't take me long to realize it was a mess, the pace was weird so was the tone, lore was disrespected because, and honestly something about the armor/bulding seemed tacky to me. It felt more like a SyFy show than a big budget production, they are making a better effort with Rings of Power in that regards, at least it has been watchable so far and probably will watch later seasons, unlike WoT.

[@AndreasFly007]

Was looking for someone that disliked WOT as well. I for myself was very openminded with the changes and very excited to see how they would go with them. Till the season finale where all my dreams came crashing down. That show was bad and was my first warning for Rings of Power now. Till then the Amazon shows were amazing with the Boys, Invincible, the Expanse all of them superb. Then it was WOT which was a crap mess in the end unfortunately.

[@regulomarte6338]

@@AndreasFly007 Yeah I mean. I now they had tons of problems with covid and mat's actor leaving, but at the end of the day the first season was bad and felt cheap. My firt warning about Prime was American Gods, later season were not a good, and Gaiman choosin Netflix to adapt Sandman instead of Amazon (tho they might just not wanted to adapt that or Neil had a previous deal with Netflix).

[@deamongimli]

Yeah, I don't know what Preston was talking about there. The WOT show was dogshit and has many detractors. As you said, most of its praise/lack of criticism at first was due to people trying to look on the bright side only to later realise that there was no bright side and that Rafe Judkins was the father of lies.

[@alanpennie8013]

"It claimed to be on HBO". Rome was probably a bigger influence than the LOTR movies.

[@Nordy941]

Personally I doubt Martin is even trying to finish. I mean last book released 2011… I was in high school.

[@bobbifreedman2435]

We rewatched it time and time again. And we survived.

[@jessesturgeon5327]

Did casual viewers like AGOT because of the fantasy elements or because of its intrigue? Maybe future series based on history will do better because of AGOT's success

[@smack80]

Martin couldnt handle wealth and fame. OMG he is the Susan Boyle of writing.

[@TheDiabeticGameMaster]

Preston is VERY disconnected from the Wheel of Time community. I will always appreciate the show because it got people talking about the books more which got me to read them. But, in general, people were trying to be nice to the show as it was premiering. Hate for the show has SKYROCKETED as the season concluded and people had time to sit with it. Namely, the last 2 episodes were EGREGIOUS. They were really fucked between COVID and one of their main actors mysteriously leaving but all that did was strip away all the stuff that was allowing people to cling to the idea that the show had been ok in the first place. After the final two episodes people went back and rewatched and thought about everything that had come before and everything that was wrong with it, namely the very bad and strange choices in the writing and directing that strip out everything unique and interesting in the source material. It's the sort of decisions where even IF this was all based on original material it would still be bad. And that sucks.

[@JilTheReal]

Dj Khaled of the writers world. 😂

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

[@MA-go7ee]

The Hobbit was a happy go lucky adventure (mostly). LotR emphatically wasn't. I think people misremember the books.

[@daniel15yearsago66]

I agree. I find LOTR to be more mature and poignant than ASOIAF

[@rmmj7james293]

Really enjoyed this. Thanks

[@nononono3421]

There's no "you should just do this, not this, and it will be great." Most TV shows suck and will continue to suck. Trying to figure what needs to be done to win is like spending time doing sport analysis; there's too many variables involved, forget about it.

[@nyceric95]

Did we really just listen to 5 minutes of Preston trying to convince himself he’s not a bridgerton fan

[@Vanic00]

Bridgerton takes place in the Regency Era, it came BEFORE the Victorian Era.

[@Vanic00]

Lol, I'm just a history snob, pay me no mind.

[@psevdhome]

"Lord of the Rings is so optimistic and happy. Game of Thrones is dark and complex." If Stannis took over King's Landing in Clash of Kings and executed Varys and Littlefinger then there would be peace and prosperity in the realm. Maybe Robb and Stannis would have to ally and kill Tywin and defeat the Tyrells but after that there would be pretty much no conflict. All the bad people would die and the good would be happy. Meanwhile Lotr has Gollum sneaking around Rhovanion and eating babies from their cribs. How's that for dark motherfuckers!

[@joshhoffman5233]

Once more, Ice and fire is a one off. If the show had held up all the way it may be be that another generation could enjoy these. No one’s reading these in the future. Every person who read them didn’t know there’d be no last two books. So it’s nothing like Tolkien or Star Wars or marvel comics or Dune or Hyperion or anything else because it has no ability to get a future audience.

[@mra4521]

George RR Martin’s life doesn’t prove power corrupts. You’re thinking of George Lucas. :p

[@stevenjones2673]

I am kinda hoping for a lovely surprise to counter the very sad eventual news of GRRM’s death- two wonderful sequels published posthumously.

[@ryanschlanser1657]

I'm hoping for that too, but that would make me very surprised. I don't think we'll ever know the true conclusion

[@logancarlile8895]

Provide positive energy. Talking about GRRM dying is not positive

[@QueenDaenerysTargaryen]

If I look back I am lost. 🔥🔥🐉🐉🐲🐲

[@huxley1559]

30:00 "well, it's just a fantasy show with dragons. People need to get over it"

[@Trustworthy_McLegitimate]

Season 7-8 prozd Targaryen "My outfit is now BLACK. Because everything is serious now! in Game of Chairs, SOFADEN We're grown ups now!"

[@TheFarinsqarin]

I think the last two books will come out posthumously. I think, The Man , may do that intentionally. He be DJing other works and living it up and he can avoid all the hatemail if everyone ends up hating the book ending.

[@tarlochansingh620]

I agree Thrones wasn't as dark as other dark high fantasies.

[@jonweman6128]

Books 4 and 5 already started to show problems, they were VERY slow, sprawling and meandering, to some degree that had always been a part of the identity of the series and not bad, but after book 3 it started to get out of control.

[@doucetteandy]

I would do the same thing.. finish the books out of pure spite

[@mrink8822]

that doesn't change the fact that the first 4 season was great

[@TheRoguePrince0]

The harshest reality is seeing the one true king (stannis baratheon) fail in his quest to retake his rightful throne. Once the one true king meets his end you notice that the remaining characters are just a batch of dumb kids.

[@SchleimigerKot]

idk why but i can't picture pj having a mom

[@AJ0223]

I actually have a vivid mental image of that guy's relationship with his mom

[@grandoldpodcast]

Wheel of Time show feels about the same level of quality as the Legend of the Seeker Show

[@nyz7971]

not only are we getting to know more about GoT/ASOIF but we are getting to know the inner workings of Carmine lol

[@kitkat6959]

What happened to Cowboy Bebop should be a crime

[@adrianreinstein6608]

No no no. Circle of Clock (wheel of time) is HORRIBLE! Like REALLLLLY bad!

[@poppag8281]

21:50 I have seen ALOT of people say its bad lol

[@kahaluuboy808]

14:45 dont you dare threaten me with with a good time.

[@TipToe67]

Enjoying watching the series again.

[@highjinx6519]

Yep I’m on season 7 currently. Seems like it’s not as disappointing since you already know you’re going to be let down lol.

[@jonrengering8439]

I think Preston is wrong, at least partially, about the Wheel of Time reception. At least among big fans of the book series including the main WoT reddit, the reception was very negative. In particular, the main deviations from the source material have been generally panned, and some of the biggest creative decisions (i.e., the mystery of who is the Dragon) are viewed exceptionally negatively. The biggest KZbin WoT personalities gave it tepid-at-best responses (e.g., Daniel Greene gave season 1 a 6/10 and described it as disappointing). If Preston meant to have a distinction between its value as a show vs. its value as an adaptation, I can understand that. As a standalone production for someone not familiar with the source material, it's probably a mediocre show. But as an adaptation, it's very bad.

[@regulomarte6338]

Tobe fair with Preston and Carmine this segment was filmed months ago, and the WoT personalities were on fence when WoT season 1 was still going, Daniel Greene was in straight up in denial, most wait it for the show to be over to criticize it. Specially if you compare with the Criticism about Rings of Power, and i don't even mean the people who yell "woke!" as if it is an argument.

[@jonrengering8439]

@@regulomarte6338 True. Greene and other reviewers were much more positive early in the season and then retroactively lowered their ratings once the full season was done. However, whileI know watching WoT reviewers isn't Preston/Carmine's "thing" but, for example. Greene's final review was published in December. To say that no one thinks WoT was bad is just not accurate

[@regulomarte6338]

@@jonrengering8439 You are right, it is hard to found wot youtuber tho, most are booktubers in general or fantasy youtubers, that happen to cover the WoT here or there. I can only think of WoT Up and Naebliss right now, I'm sure there are more. Daniel Greene transitioned into a general fantasy related stuff, tho he kid of review everything by comparing it in someway with WoT, I honestly stopped watching his channel years ago, I feel like he i kind of passive agressive toward asoiaf, but that's just my opinion. I also stopped looking for wot show reviews, as season one continued it's not like I needed an expert on the lore and wot to tell why it was so crappy.

[@countbalerionofhousetatter2624]

i know ppl who hate WOT. the hate seems partly based on purism, partly on the (God help us) 'culture war'. for my part, i confess i only dimly remember it.

[@artos607]

There are definitely a lot of haters for the WoT show, I feel like every book related forum is full of show negativity

[@jimmybobby4824]

Game of thrones isn’t dark gritty ‘realism’. It’s post modern, and hyper realism.

[@wrongwayranger4736]

What about the horn of winter

[@countbalerionofhousetatter2624]

would that grrm would be so 'spiteful'!

[@isaacvincent8443]

My personal thoughts on Game of Thrones ruining Fantasy TV shows is on a different track. I see the problem as this, GRRM wanted to add his own "Message" and it isn't a bad message to have... though not a new one. Aka War is destructive and we should not glorify it. Yes he has other messages, but I would say that was the main one. The problem is, now you have a load of writers who are happy to destroy the legacy of beloved series, all to make a quick buck, while at the same time trying to shoehorn whatever their personal bullshit beliefs are or whatever "Message" they think is currently popular. Without realizing that they are only ruining the story, while also turning people away from their messages, because the very fan bases that they wish to tap into, HATE them for their desecration of their favorite stories. Just like what Disney has done to Star Wars or Paramount has done to Star Trek... or the new LOTR show etc. Either they need to create their own shit and stop ruining other people's work or they need to stay true to the story they are adapting and whatever message the original creator may have added. But that wouldn't create the controversy that they want or the fame in certain circles that they crave. It's the reason I hope no one trying to adapt the Honor Harrington series. Though if David Webber was in control of it I would be thrilled. It is also why I hate the wheel of time show, if you are not going to truly represent the series DON'T BOTHER MAKING AN ATTEMPT!

[@Leo_ofRedKeep]

I don't think there will be consistent themes to draw from ASOIF. It is too large a work for this and it would be foolish of its author to boil it down to making a handful of points, no matter how he feels about them. He is way more likely to make all points and their opposites, as in the typical "peace is good but war against evil is justified" or its honest but seldom uttered variant "men need sons but too many have to get rid of" (aka "who needs pensioned soldiers anyway?"). And seriously, I would hope GRRM wouldn't dumb himself down to a karma based stupidity showing how bad people get their due in the end, no matter how many simpletons want him to. He'd better show how war and vengeance actually get winners where they want and losers wiped off, as history demonstrates.

[@salemsaleh9577]

Not sure what's so Game of Thrones about The Witcher? I thought it was fairly good, season 2 especially was a step up.

[@sphong0610]

The problem with WoT was the pacing and acting and effects. That is to say it's not the content or story itself but how that story was being presented to viewers. The relationship between characters wasn't built well enough and because they couldn't;t get that right, they proceeded with the plot making it seem to slow and too fast a the same time. The Witcher always had socio-political aspects in it and there is not way they are trying to be the "next GoT". Problem with the Witcher is that the book series has always been fragmented in timeline and the show can't really do that without confusing the hell out of viewers. Plus game fans that haven't read the books just don't understand the world except for what is happening with Geralt and Ciri. For game fans, a lot of important things were happening off screen. The Cowboybebop show just like any other live action anime just can't do action (movement and camera) the way anime does. Expecially in CBBB, the music and characters need to move together which isn't happening in the live action. But of course the egregious story/character changes of the show were the worst possible sin. What they did with Julia and Vicious was terrible and made we quit Netflix for a while.

[@juanbc5326]

14:30 Esto me hizo pensar que es cierto que el gordo siempre fue un obrero de la pluma. Como que una parte de producir su trabajo dependia de la presion de tener que ganarse el mango para vivir. Ahora que no tiene esa presión económica le gana el boludeo. Además de que está viejo

[@AJ0223]

I dont even think these 2 guys have read the Lord of the Rings

[@mattrudes]

Idk why, but it annoys me this was clearly recorded ages ago.... Objectively it shouldn't, but subjectively....

[@Leo_ofRedKeep]

For all deserved criticism of the writing in late seasons, GoT does end with a more mature display than its audience was grown for: that of a leader hyped up by ideologues who ends up causing destruction in the name of a greater good she no longer cares for or sees realistically. The conscious sacrifice of the present generation for the sake of the coming ones has been a real world 20th century theme in several communist or other regimes and shares the same root as the open disdain and rejection of all things "conservative" by the self-fantasised "progressive" camp in any society.

[@LNawka]

Hmmmmm Man Carrying Thing made amazing long honest video why WoT is really bad show. 😋 🤗

[@ivanbluecool]

the show is like a full coarse meal. the beginning it's amazing with high class meals and well prepared. then the cooks just literally shovel trash down your throat and expect you to thank them. when even d and d ran for the hills knowing how bad they did got fans shouldn't defend the show post season 4 when even the creators are cowards

[@joseSanchez-ej2oh]

SIGH 😔

[@maskabater]

14:55 Kansas City's finest?

[@ryanschlanser1657]

When you say the ratings of HOD have made the article age like milk, do you mean the viewership or the reviews? I'm not sure yet if I feel like the show is quality or not

[@lc4822]

True story. People will watch all kinds of crap, the bar is incredibly low. I look forward to watching the show every week bec I love the world, but it's been largely disappointing. I think people just want it to be good too badly to see what it actually is.

[@ryanschlanser1657]

@@lc4822 Agreed, exactly how I feel

[@tomswiftyphilo2504]

wheel of time was bad. it was a drunken hookup--pretty but not particularly interesting.

[@keirangrant1607]

Remember the show OZ on HBO? that was edgy and it came out around 2000 I think

[@alvarosalandy7969]

Yeah but "Dragons are cool"

[@blakehenry9030]

Yah nothing dark happend in lord of the rings no entire continents sunk into the sea, no great kingdom were torn apart and its people scattered, no kinslaying and what would its auther really know of the depravity of man not like he actually fought in a world war, didnt see the flower of his generation thrown away to war to protect an empire that was lost even though they won the war. Just simple kids story here cant be adult unless you have a James Patterson sex scene in your book i guess

[@thewatcher2538]

so this was recorded eons ago? you really betrayed yourself with saying russian dolls season 2 not being out

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

well yes, it's in the description

[@Regenmacher175]

10 more stupid reasons to whine about a show that ended 3 years ago.

[@KartovOndulevitch]

Preston argues a lot GRRM had wrote an anti-war, anti-machist, anti-feudalism story. I don't doubt this is the true ideology of GRRM but...But is it descent and credible to write such book in an assumed medieval feudalist era ? I mean, feudal Europe WAS pro-war, pro-feudalist, anti-feminist. It's smell to me like actual-time-centrism, actual-time-chauvinism (hooo, we are such good/smart/evoluted blablabla). Moreoever, GRRM LOVES write big battles, big wars schemes, like every boy playing war in childhood. Don't misinterpret : I love those books (as much as LodR was so much unattractive to me by its black-and-white manicheism than I have even never read it). I love chapters when the royal council talk about political events. And I want to ask to ser Preston : what would be ASOIAF without war ? In brief, I understand Preston's ideology. It's not mine, but I understand. But I don't understand how decently could be an anti-war ASOIAF. (please forgive my awful english, not american nor brit)

[@jessesturgeon5327]

Rings of Power is terrible, but the latest episode was an improvement I guess. Not a ringing endorsement but it's the best I can do

[@anthonyturner791]

I didn't like the books so the show issues aren't as bad for me. Still crap last 4 seasons But they still better then the books for me

[@7Nebulae7]

I liked the show better as well. I think it is due to the fact that I had already watched the first couple of seasons of GoT before reading the books.

[@anthonyturner791]

@@7Nebulae7 i start reading GOT in 96 when it came out Without the show it would have stayed a mediocre fantasy series

[@owleyes07]

Finally first

[@MrVlogman101]

Did you gain the realization that no one actually cares?

[@chriscueva1866]

Nooooooooo IT SHOULD OF BEEN ME!!!!! It should of been me …..😢😢😢

[@owleyes07]

@@MrVlogman101 definitely yes.

[@owleyes07]

@@chriscueva1866 Let's pretend that you're first.

[@chriscueva1866]

@@owleyes07 thanks bud, you’re a pretty swell guy. I see why you were first. The title is rightfully yours. Forgive my earlier outburst.