10 People Who Should Be Saints... But Aren't. | The Catholic Talk Show

[@herrschmidt412]

Great show! I'd recommend looking into Ven. Matt Talbot, an Irish ascetic, who if canonized would likely become the Patron Saint of alcoholics. He became a heavy drinker at 12 years old and it wasn't until his late 20s when he finally became sober. He became very devoted to Christ and lived a life of self-denial while working a manual labor job. Despite the fact he made very little money he was known to be very generous and charitable with what little he had. He even refused his strike pay and asked that it be distributed among his fellow workers. He awoke early every morning so that he could attend Mass before work and spend his Sundays attending multiple Masses. I've felt a particular devotion to him as someone who has struggled with alcoholism myself. Whenever I feel down and want to beat myself up I like to reflect on one of his quotes "Never be too hard on the man who can’t give up drink. It’s as hard to give up the drink as it is to raise the dead to life again. But both are possible and even easy for our Lord. We have only to depend on him"

[@capecodder04]

That's awesome I've heard of Matt Talbot before but did not know this history about him I have been sober for over 10 years and last year completed steps 1 through 8 and I'm still working on steps 9 through 12. I'll have to read about his story.

[@elenaramirez7708]

You guys are seriously amazing. It's so refreshing to see people openly talk about their faith. Im going through a hard time right now and searched the word "Catholic" on KZbin and found you guys! Glad I did. Thank you Jesus

[@TheKBSeriesAuthor]

Blessed Father Seelos. Amazing story of an Austria priest who served over here in America during the 1800s. Known as the "Cheerful Ascetic." Died from yellow fever in New Orleans while ministering to those suffering from the disease. You should do another list of people who should be saints and include him in the next one.

[@KG004]

Do you think people like Charlemagne, Chesterton and the rest are like, “People it’s great up here. That Saint designation is more for you that are still working through it.”

[@johnfrancis4809]

Archbishop Sheen !!!

[@patsyspry6248]

I remember when I was a kid, my Dad made sure we NEVER MISSED AB SHEEN’S SHOW!

[@melissasaint3283]

Because he us not yet canonized, you can still get a second class relic by sending a self addressed stamped envelope!

[@kevinlove4356]

@@melissasaint3283 Sending where?

[@kohljackal]

Kevin Love Archbishop Sheen Foundation in Peoria, IL.

[@melissasaint3283]

@@kevinlove4356 From the Bishop Sheen's Cause for Canonization website . It is traditional to enclose a short, politely worded letter along with a small donation and a self addressed, stamped envelope: Please mail your request along with a self-addressed stamped envelope to: Archbishop Sheen Foundation, 419 NE Madison Ave, Peoria, IL 61603. Although there is no charge for the relic card, a donation to the Archbishop Sheen Foundation is requested for the cost of preparing the card. Because of a limited material, we can only send one relic card per request or person. Requests for relic cards cannot be made over the phone or by email. Please note that all requests are answered in the order they are received

[@brianagrzybowski4734]

Thanks for another awesome episode. 😃 I have a question though: Have you guys ever considered doing one about your top favorite Catholic books/top books every Catholic should have on their reading bucket list? Or would it be too difficult to narrow down a list like that? 🤔

[@CatholicTalkShow]

We will get to that one soon! We recorded it once but the files got corrupted, so we have to do it again!

[@brianagrzybowski4734]

Awesome! My inner Catholic nerd is very excited to watch when you put it out! 🤓 🙏🏻

[@kevingreenman3548]

Maria Agnesi. She was the first female professor of mathematics and author of the first textbook on calculus, but gave up her wealth and spent the remainder of her life serving the poor and elderly.

[@Bryanpjc]

What a great warm up episode for the full length look at Ven Mary of Agreda! Just in case anyone needs a miracle to put them over, she has a few hundred to spare. In other news, snuff is SO underrated these days.

[@scottbriggs3125]

Thank you for all your hard work

[@rosiegirl2485]

Bishop Fulton Sheen Pope Leo Xlll Mother Angelica I also think Fr. Mike Schmitz will be a saint one day...the guy is amazing! And we can't forget Sr. Lucia!

[@carissahanson9887]

You can forget arch Bishop Athanasius Schneider or father Altman

[@carissahanson9887]

By the way there is a prayer on the show just ask Janette which is from priest for life about a baby who has Potter syndrome he is supposed to be born in a couple of weeks but he has no kidneys and he is very sick but his heartbeat is well the family has been praying for the intercession of Archbishop Fulton Sheen in the name of God to heal their baby

[@myheroesofamerica719]

One more mitacle for Sheen is needed!!!!!

[@addiejarrett2463]

Great episode guys!

[@sandragoss48]

G K Chesterton and his wife could not have children, but they loved children very, very much. I am sure there are some beautiful stories of their love for children. They struggled with this reality but still lived a joyful life.

[@patsyspry6248]

So happy to hear my my favorite Pope’s (Pius Xll) name was on your list!!💕🙏🏻

[@jeromejoseph7588]

I love how Fr Rich is compared to Fr Mike Schimtz in like almost every episode its funny 😂 and Fr Rich's reaction is always so humble.

[@Alicia_Kanis]

Fulton Sheen squad represent! 🙏🏻

[@carissahanson9887]

There is a website that is actually talking about the canonization of Archbishop Fulton Sheen you will also see that there are other website called priest for life and just ask Janet who are making prayers for a little baby not born yet who has a rare disease babies name is Fulton

[@carissahanson9887]

The reason they don’t want Archbishop Fulton Sheen to be canonized is because there is a big push for progressivism in the church all religions equal and there is a big push where the church is divided mostly and a half over being a traditional Roman catholic and I’m not talking about how the masses held I’m talking about just the case of morals and if you look back at Archbishop Fulton Sheen‘s video agra fee you will see that a lot of things that are going on now he was calling out way back then and calling Catholics and people of goodwill to go back to traditional roots rooted in family and faith.

[@toddzbojovsky6619]

love you guys

[@anthonyortega7706]

Great show

[@yeshuadvargas5552]

Maybe I'm jumping the gun, I'm only 10 min in, but I definitely think Mother Angelica is a Saint.

[@markgraff8326]

Ryan S enjoyed the zoom call today thank ya

[@normacindy7226]

Pier Giorgio is one of my faves. He was not in a relationship with Hidalgo. He liked her a lot but they didn’t go out because his parents wouldn’t approve. She even said later that she never liked him like that.

[@amyschlegel1180]

Blessed Pier Giorgio is going to be canonized in 2025.

[@samlawson6507]

On the topic of our siblings in the Church Triumphant, has the 2004 Martyrologium Romanum officially been translated from Latin to English yet? Since the Latin typical edition’s publication (in June of that year, if I’m not mistaken) the number of Blesseds & Saints has increased so much that it’s almost worth a whole new Martyrologium Romanum.

[@trueblue533]

What about Bl. Miguel Pro? Isn't he a martyr? Inquiring minds want to know.

[@AlwaysErickWithChrist]

Margaret of Castello!!! She's so inspiring!!!

[@matthewlabbe8395]

Another Martyr that’s only a blessed at the time being is Bl. Giuseppe Puglisi of Palermo. The only priest to be martyred at the hands of the Mafia. I saw his tomb at the Catedral di Palermo when I went to Sicily and Italy in 2019. Reading his story was super inspiring.

[@angryalienspaceship4115]

I want pope Leo XIII to be considered a saint, and also Isabel I of Castille, but I know her cause was stopped because of the Expulsion of the Jews from Spain.

[@JPX7NGD]

She saved a lot of lives and a nation.

[@greenybird7132]

Blessed Matt Talbot 🙏

[@petermcallister8489]

I can't get past the irony of a priest called Pagano. 😂😂

[@ironymatt]

Haha! Never noticed that till now. Really though, would paganism have been so bad if they'd managed to keep human sacrifice out of it? ... on second thought, maybe we're better off not answering that...

[@gmstapf]

Watched Messenger of the Truth. What an amazing story.

[@kevinsheehy3248]

Mary of Agreda. Please.

[@pslobodnik]

Pius IX should be canonized tomorrow. Once again, politics and PC culture are getting in the way. He has miracles galore and is incorrupt, but it'll never happen with the current Vatican.

[@fireballgarcia1281]

22:03 does anyone know what that term means or how it’s spelled so I can look it up

[@kevingreenman3548]

Latin "in odium fidei", meaning “in hatred of the faith”

[@kevinlove4356]

@@kevingreenman3548 Yes, the classical paradigm of a martyr is that he is allowed to save his life by renouncing Jesus. On the other hand, suppose a bunch of Christian-hating communists machine-gun a church hall in a surprise attack, killing everyone there. Including people who are not even Christians. Does that make everyone there a martyr?

[@JPX7NGD]

Yes. Children in the womb are Martyred.

[@Melvin_Thoma]

Mar Joseph Kariattil... Forgotten saint of the SyroMalabar Church. Thankfully atleast there's a Wikipedia on him.

[@juliekuestersteffen7074]

Fr. Emil Kapaun

[@ciara1734]

What about Fr. Mychal Judge?

[@amyschlegel1180]

Blessed Pier Giorgio never even dated Laura Hildalgo. He brought her home to meet his parents once. They didn’t care for her because she was poor, orphaned and was caring for her younger brother. As a result he never pursued a romantic relationship with her because he feared to disrupt his family. His parents were in the process of divorcing at the time. He never even kissed Laura. She never even knew that he loved her until many years after his death. I received this information directly from Blessed Pier Giorgio’s sister Luciana and his niece Wanda.

[@DarkPablo]

Bl. Miguel Pro's canonization would be nice as well. He has not been canonized because he was executed with Cristeros who were planning a terrorist attack I believe. Also Bl. Karl of Austria would be nice.

[@JPX7NGD]

Unless going to a Sunday Mass during a genocide is “terrorism,” then no.

[@DarkPablo]

@@JPX7NGD Can you explain what you mean? I'm not sure I understand what you are saying.

[@JPX7NGD]

Blessed Miguel Pro was giving masses though Catholicism was banned in mexico. He was exposed and Bl. Miguel was Martyred during a Mass. He was the first of 30,000k Martyrs that day. On Monday the bodies of the Martyrs were Crucified on posts throughout the country so everyone going to work could see nothing but the bodies all the way on the train. THEN Christeros.

[@DarkPablo]

@@JPX7NGD you must be mistaking Bl. Pro for someone else, maybe St. Romero? Because Bl. Miguel Pro was a priest that was executed under charges that he helped plan a bombing. (They say he was just bunched up with the criminals to make priests look bad)

[@mariaellasm]

Servant of God Father Dolindo Ruotolo, contemporary of Padre Pio, author of the "Surrender Novena" and 33 volumes of Scripture Commentary. Maria Cecilia Baij, Benedictine Abbess in the 18th century, author of "The Life of Saint Joseph," which was "manifested to her by Our Lord, Jesus Christ." Servant of God Luisa Piccarreta, "Little Daughter of the Divine Will."

[@Fasolislithuan]

The Catholic Queen, Isabel of Castilla

[@Fasolislithuan]

@@ccbarr58 What genocide do you speak? www.infoplease.com/world/social-statistics/ethnicity-and-race-countries Guatemala 99% population are mestizo & amerindian Ecuador 90% Perú 82% Mexico 90% Meanwhile USA 0,9% Canada 2%

[@Fasolislithuan]

@@ccbarr58 Youre a native? from what country?

[@Vg2024-p7i]

@@ccbarr58 Central/South Native Americans were murdering themselves in the form of gruesome pagan sacrifices long before the conquistadors showed up. Mayans and Aztecs destroyed what are theorized to have been millions of innocent lives - children included, many times handpicked - in the name of appeasing their gods. "Genocide" is not the right word to describe Euro-Native relations in Latin America. Most of Latin America remains mestizo, and thankfully now Christian, where Christ's Ultimate Sacrifice converted the hearts of former pagans and put an end to their own, self-inflicted mass murder. Please look up the story of the Guadalupe and the sociological Spanish-Indigenous tensions that led up to Our Lady's intervention.

[@JasonPinkham]

Bishop Sheen was a bi-ritual priest. He was both Latin and Greek. I as a Byzantine Catholic can get behind him becoming a saint.

[@ironymatt]

Were the circumstances of Thomas a Kempis' burial at all related to the practice of having "dead ringers"?

[@danboyigomsuk2027]

I want to add to your list. It appears Blessed Michael Cyprian Tansi's canonization has been stalled also. I wonder whether there is politics behind recognizing a saint? But I am putting here in black and white that, politics or not, deciding not to recognize or not, someone who is already in Heaven is a saint. And there's nothing anybody can do about it. And there are millions of people in Heaven who are already saints but not recognized here on Earth. But, does it matter? Of course not!

[@JPX7NGD]

Well it matters to us to be Right.

[@capecodder04]

Exactly!!!! I have to question almost everything post Vatican II.

[@BuggyrcobraAya]

There are lots of martyrs who are not saints, but only blessed at present, many even going back centuries, so it is not an out of the question thing. One major example of this is Bl. Sadoc and companions, Dominican martyrs in Hungary, who were martyred in 1260. There is also Bl Titus Brandsma and Bl Giuseppe Girotti, both priests martyred at concentration camps in WWII

[@ScrapperSays]

Does anybody know of a case for canonization ever being opened for Pope Sixtus V?

[@bettyfranceschi1998]

I have had the same exact problem with the Lord of the Rings... Being a good reader and books lover, It has been impossible for me to pass the first few pages...

[@davidcomtedeherstal]

We have one Canonized in our family. Has the Reverend Father ever heard of Pierre de Luxembourg.

[@pawegoek8700]

The polish jesuit Piotr Skarga... He was buried alive

[@silverbubbles4728]

Father Nelson Baker from Our Lady of Victory Basilica in New York

[@judykrus9614]

What difference does it make? If the Church recognizes them as saints or not, being with Jesus is what matters to them. We are all called to be saints and be with Jesus. Also, We don’t know the secret lives of anyone and I also think some people are declared saints and you have to wonder if they really are especially when they didn’t have the necessary miracles. God is in charge of everything. If He wants someone to be canonized, they will be.

[@PMV928]

Sister Josefa Menendez

[@MDkid1]

"All of you non-Saints....pray for us" lol.

[@brysonstevens1431]

Fulton Sheen got snubbed by the same bishops who choke on the word preeminent.

[@albertoascari2542]

What do you think of the theory Fulton Sheens body has been locked away because a Bishop didnt like Fulton Sheens Teachings on the Faith and that a Bishop doesnt uphold the True Faith in his Catholicism. I heard this theory on KZbin. It sounded like it carried weight..I remember Father Jerzy and Solidarity and the persecutions of the Polish Clergy .. He is Definately a Saint

[@vic38290]

You're speaking about giant Catholics that you knew, how about those many unknown Catholics who live a very saintly lives and even offering their own life themselves for the sake of the Church and the Kingdom? There are countless of them not only in the U.S. but in the other parts of the world.more specifically in the Philippines. You ask the Columban and the P.I.M.E. Missionaries and many other Filipino Catholics they can give you countless of unbeatified and sainly personalities. I'm sure that those holy people are small before the eyes of men but they are giants before the eyes of God.

[@JPX7NGD]

Yes.

[@stuartloughborough951]

What about Catherine DeHueck Doherty

[@williamhughes6051]

I would like to add Father Baker

[@meldoesnails7682]

Queen Catherine of Aragon. I'm sure many wives who have been treated poorly by their husbands or had to watch their children treated poorly would ask for her prayers. ❤👑

[@stuartloughborough951]

Will Sheen be back on line to Sainthood once the current Archbishop of NY reposes

[@CatholicHome1]

I hope Pope Leo the XIII made your list. :)

[@dianekamer8341]

Alphonse Ratisbonne and Hermann Cohen!

[@raphaelloferrer220]

I want Venerable Mother Mariana de Jesús Torres to become a Saint. The prophecies she received from Our Lady of Buen Suceso of the Purification is for our times.

[@thetyperpiper]

Speaking of "corruption" through snuff gave me an aha moment ... if snuff is "earthly corruption," then what did cigars and beer do to GK??? That may explain why he isn't a saint yet.

[@JPX7NGD]

So most Catholics throughout history (and many Saints) are “corrupt” by that absurdity?

[@thetyperpiper]

@@JPX7NGD yep. Even today people still refer to tobacco as the devil's weed. (I like to think of it as South Farthings's best product.)

[@michaelachewar5800]

Marie Rose Ferron. I’d love a podcast on her and her stigmata.

[@maryshannon7551]

Have they ever investigated how he came to be buried alive? Or who? Wonder if that has more to do with it?

[@neilrangel2075]

LITTLE NELLIE OF HOLY GOD

[@MDkid1]

Leo XIII should be a saint too....Jesus is 'nodding' b/c all these folks deserve to be saints! Regarding The Lord of the Rings...just get past the party chapter and the book picks up tremendously! Its an excellent read!

[@CatholicTalkShow]

I got to Tom Bombadil’s song and closed the book. - Ryan Scheel

[@joemefford6285]

Fr. Rich if you like hip hop, you should check out Foundnation! Fantastic authentically Catholic hip hop!

[@AaronJediKnight]

I hope that Charlemagne incident could soon be fixed

[@MqryBrigid]

I would say that Mother Angelica should be considered.

[@rodrigofranca9787]

Queen Mary I

[@bethanyward3340]

First off why has Bishop Sheen and Mother Angelica not been Sainted??? They've done so much for the Lord and the Church. I know they have helped me immensely.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

Dorothy Day, please!

[@alyssavela3797]

Wait... why was he buried alive.

[@albertbenedictsolimanosa5552]

What do saints puff with their pipes? A: Holy Smokes

[@mmeyerdc]

Making saints is very expensive. If there isn’t a diocese, an order, or congregation footing the bill, it really requires interest by the Pope to roll the ball. If I won the lottery, I’d create a foundation to advance unfunded worthy causes.

[@luzmag]

Isabel y Fernando.

[@jesusyeshuaisgodyahweh8180]

In God's eyes they're probably saints. We may not see it that way🤷🏻‍♂️❤️✝️

[@MDkid1]

Every person in heaven, whether canonized here on earth or not, is a saint.

[@JohnR.T.B.]

I think the Church recognizes the people who are martyrs and saints in the eyes of God but lost in history and so not officially declared by the Church, but martyrs and saints nonetheless.

[@kevinlove4356]

Yes. They are commemorated on November 1, All Saints Day.

[@007leet]

Archbishop Lefebvre will be a saint someday for preserving the Traditional Latin Mass.

[@mariosportsmaster7662]

Maybe Charlemagne is not a saint because he rarely wrote and allegedly had awful penmanship. I don't think dictation counts as writing.

[@ironymatt]

Schmitz and Pagano! Two men enter! One man... Uh, on second thought maybe a cage match isn't such a Catholic thing to do...

[@jtcunningham7589]

lol, I read the title ‘People who shouldn’t be Saints, but are’

[@stephaniesayers3894]

Katherine of Aragon, first wife of Henry VIII of England.

[@kevinlove4356]

Aside from marrying two royal brothers, what did she do that was particularly saintly?

[@Vg2024-p7i]

Would she be considered a martyr? That's what cones to my mind. She suffered a lot at the hands of Henry VIII

[@kevinlove4356]

@@Vg2024-p7i Two problems with that. 1. She did not die for the faith. She died of natural causes. 2. She lived a rather wealthy and comfortable lifestyle until that death of natural causes. Having one's spouse seek an annulment of their marriage may not be a good thing, but it is not martyrdom.

[@lizarce272]

Yes but, AREN'T WE ALL CALLED TO BE SAINTS? Did Jesus say that only some people are in Saint Club? I am Catholic and a good Catholic, but becoming tired of the religious part and starving for the Bibles written Word in full chapters,Faith, Spirit Filled part which we seem to fly through.

[@margaretrogers9811]

Query: Why does the bobble head collection now include the Gorton’s fisherman?

[@CatholicTalkShow]

That’s for our producer Howard, who looks like the Gorton’s Fisherman.

[@dannisivoccia2712]

Scripture says that ALL who are truly in Christ Jesus, which are washed in His blood, redeemed, transformed out of darkness into His marvelous light, born from above, sealed with the Holy Spirit are called by God as His saints. "If any man be IN CHRIST, he is a new creation; old things pass away; behold, and all things become new." 2 Cor. 5:17.

[@CatholicTalkShow]

We agree.

[@921drock]

Father Mcgivney

[@amybaumert140]

It’s ok Scheel, you don’t like LOTR because you’re a Tolkien dwarf at heart. Hobbits run the parish potlucks. Dwarves build the cathedrals.

[@tomuskok1922]

Bl Alojzije Stepinac!!!!!

[@semperfidani]

Personally, I think there is almost too many people being promoted as saint these days (especially to those who start religious orders). Sainthood shouldn't be dispensed out like Pez candy, less it loses its mystique and luster. Simply being popular shouldn't be the criteria for sainthood. I am not sure what the answer is, but I'm feeling increasingly uncomfortable with the message that is being sent by the quantity and speed of people being promoted to full sainthood.

[@kellikocha7733]

Sister Lucia needs to be a Saint

[@kohljackal]

Pope Pius saw that not only were Jews given new papers, so were Nazis so that they could get away. The problem with Flannery O'Connor is not one of her not being *sensitive enough* as you so laughably put it. She was a bigot who did not want to sit next to black people and was disgusted by black people being able to use the same restroom. She was upset that her cousin had to take classes with black people. That is not the attitude one would wish displayed by a saint. Your dismissal of the unfavorable view of her writings as presentism is really offensive.

[@HenryArreguin]

Dante Aligheri

[@ninazaragoza6316]

I also could never get into Lord of the Rings...way too much detail!!!!!!

[@argelbargel7680]

Liberius' problems are mostly theological.

[@chivalrousjack]

A girlfriend? Really? What are we? Puritans?

[@joseph_mta5840]

Dorothy Day....no.

[@robertwaguespack9414]

Venerable Bartolomeo Marquez had a girlfriend.

[@robertwaguespack9414]

Blessed Bartolomeo Marquez.

[@cyntogia]

Wrong, they are either saints or they are not. It's not up to the church. They only recognize what is. They don't cause it to be.

[@CatholicTalkShow]

We understand that. But "10 People Whose Admittance into Heaven among the communion of saints which have not yet been formally recognized by the Church." doesn't quite fit into the title field.

[@cyntogia]

:) fair enough. Love the show

[@augustinefaithdefender]

I love Bishop Sheen, however, I as read more about the lives of the saints and mystics of the Church, I dont think he’s great saint tbh. There are a lot of imperfect elements come to this, I dont like to pick apart a good person like him. There is also no miracle on his name so we have to pass.

[@JPX7NGD]

Venerable Fulton Sheen is one of the Holiest men to ever live, a Living Saint. He does have confirmed Miracles. your calumny and gossip is mortally sinful.

[@augustinefaithdefender]

@@JPX7NGD I believe he is on heaven right now for his good deeds but high places or God's inner course, I dont think so. What gossips, i said i saw many his imperfections but I did not tell anyone or pick it apart. Maybe I should because for others to learn from that. Not all people have the high prestige of sainthood, the Vatican does the right thing, fair and square, it has been like that for thousand of years. You are the one who knows nothing tbh. God bless!

[@JPX7NGD]

hell is a long time calumniator, that’s a mortal sin. so is gossip. that means lying to defame and talking about someone (usually yo lie to defame) begins someone’s back respectively. I call tell by your intent this would become the sin That Cries To Heaven For Vengeance of blasphemy as well. Venerable Fulton Sheen is one of The Holiest and Smartest men to EVER Live. you will deny this but cannot say why, because if you do then you would have no possibility to deny the sins you seek to commit for the sake of h*r*tics pretending to be Catholic. Venerable Fulton Sheen IS a Saint, and has multiple Confirmed Miracles, no one is shocked about that but the uninformed like you (which you project by the mortal sin of despair to try to d*mn others in your place, which is based in the capital sin of pride). The cause for recognizing his Sainthood is stalled because the infiltrators he exposed throughout his life are still in control of the “Vatican” you worship instead of be in The Church; once one is.Named Blessed, their personal archives are made public, and Sheen has the the only copy of all of Bella Dodd’s personal records of all the people she put into The Church and government while head of the communist party of the USA.

[@JPX7NGD]

Contrition, Conversion, Confession, Penance, Repentance. The Four Last Things: death, Judgement, Heaven, or hell. PERIOD. Do it.

[@augustinefaithdefender]

@@JPX7NGD I do it everyday, dont worry 🥰 the different is my labor in Christ is love; obedience in the Church, the Pope, the Magisterium; and truthfulness. Yours is in lies, false witnesses, idolizing mortal man, hate and rudeness to people who tell the truth. I am more worrying for you, my dear! People like you, i believe is living in despair, dryness of love and prayer, there is no peace of the Holy Spirit in you. That is why you cannot see what is right and wrong 🤭

[@sandan778]

It is only when God approves that they can become saints and the only way to know if heaven approves is the miracles they perform. So I believe if there is no miracle performed by a person then they can not be saints. Everything is about God not us humans because God sees everything, seen or unseen. We have no right as humans to impose to God who should be His saints.