10 Things James Gunn’s DCU Must Do To Succeed

John and the crew discuss the most important things James Gunn’s DCU reboot must do in order to succeed. The DC Universe (DCU) is an upcoming American media franchise and shared universe based on characters from DC Comics publications.
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[@ThunderForce2000]

What’s funny with most of these steps is you can almost hear Campea saying ‘I’m looking at you Marvel.’

[@ON-mw1sr]

😂😂😂😂 innit Soo true!!! Get it together marvel

[@jaybling6687]

"Take advantage of rich villains." Including when restarting Shazam if they do so, introduce Black Adam as his villain.

[@bashengatheblackmanta7003]

Superman legacy should feel like a mix between superman returns & man of steel.

[@benm5970]

The thing they really need to get right is the importance of Superman and having him as a true beacon of hope, even though I love Henry Cavill his Superman was a darker take that was meant to be a lot more tragic, and the direction that the DCEU was going looked like it was shifting towards him being a villain, hell even Injustice: Gods Among Us had that evil Superman portrayal, add on top of that the grim story of Superman Returns and you realize that we literally haven’t seen a bright, hopeful portrayal of the Superman character for like 36 years, their attempts to break away from what was the “Traditional” Superman character have ironically become the *new* traditional portrayal of Superman, which does work, like I said Henry is my favorite Superman but I’m gonna honest, I’m kinda tired of the dark Superman, I wanna see the bright, hopeful Christopher Reeves-esc Superman again, and like I said, at a point it’s like DC totally threw the character of Superman onto the sidelines, he became so unimportant to them that we literally haven’t had a solo Superman movie in 10 years, and so I hope Superman is truly the heart and soul of the new DCU because they absolutely need to pay him the respect he’s due after so long

[@princeofallsayians1551]

Superman Returns is darker

[@LazyEyeNZ]

I enjoy these types of videos were John does lists or rankings.

[@anthonyhill4639]

That scene in Superman Returns where Superman is hovering in outer space watching over the earth is so underrated to me. To me that was a Superman moment if there ever was one

[@bashengatheblackmanta7003]

I think superman legacy should feel like a mix between superman returns & man of steel. Like they should take the best element of each and put it in one movie in a story.

[@Boaman5435TigerReticPythons]

My top five anticipated DCU Movies and MAX shows: 1. Batman The Brave And The Bold film 2. Superman Legacy film 3. Lanterns MAX series 4. Booster Gold MAX series 5. Waller MAX series

[@chazkhaira4690]

Grant Morrison’s All Star Superman says it all a perfect Superman story

[@Stuntmachine14]

He dies in the story

[@joemish4540]

Why is it always the popular trades? An Elseworlds story of him dying and he's finally at peace with everything and his powers are way above normal and he's doing things like curing cancer.

[@Mr49r1681]

Remember Superman: Grounded (if any read it)? That was personal. For the other characters (in focus) it’ll be some years before Zaslav grants new live-action series of them while affording the animated ones and films. It’s a bigger gamble of them on films now if the other 50% of fans see Swamp Thing, Booster Gold, and or Creature Squad or not. Superman Legacy may be a springboard for the other DC heroes cast.

[@yourmotherheaux]

The way people hop to conclusions already about a cinematic universe that we haven't seen yet in these comments 😂

[@JezzaBondiBeach]

I’m looking forward to the new DCU 🔥

[@ItsRebel98]

Honestly, this was a great list for James Gunn DCU. I dont want DCU to be Marvel 2.0. I want dark and gritty but also light tones too. The old WB executives didnt really have this and caused problems for Zack Snyder and David Ayer movies. I really hope the new DCU is good cuz I just want to see great comic book movies from DC. Elseworld stories are great that I wish Marvel would do. Hopefully the new DCU will be great and really tell good stories that can be philosophical and realistic too.

[@bricktwo5849]

There are marvel elsewhere stories still coming out.The MARVEL sonyverse.

[@bricktwo5849]

JT quote- Most MCU movies had stakes. The only ones that come to mind that didnt have world domination or destruction or mass death was both Antman movies, and Iron Man 1

[@bricktwo5849]

Marvel Studios' Black Panther Official Trailer Reaction and Review by Zhelyazko Tsarev1 day ago Please don't be another Marvel comedy flick by agators2121 day ago Zhelyazko Tsarev like how justice league is all comedy in their trailer? So many quips from Aquaman by Zhelyazko Tsarev1 day ago agators212 Black Panther looks great. What I mean is for the actual movie to be more badass movie not a comedy. Mark Hughes1 day ago Just generally speaking, keep in mind some of the all-time best action movies were also filled with humor and comedy -- Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Mr. & Mrs. Smith, and Beverly Hills Cop for example. And think about some of the other great action films that also have a constant good sense of humor -- Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Lock Stock & Two Smoking Barrels, The Rock, and so on. These films don't just have one or two humorous lines, they have repeated funny moments and humor throughout, and as much or in some cases more than the MCU movies. Granted, a few MCU movies like Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Thor: Ragnarok have enough constant humor to possibly say they could be considered action-comedies, but the rest of the MCU films aren't. If some folks just personally don't enjoy comedy or humor very much and only usually like straight-up serious action, that's obviously totally fine and valid for people to have personal preferences and taste. But I think it's worth trying to be more precise about how much humor really exists in MCU films, since it's often overstated or people end up with a misperception sometimes of the overall MCU tone, and to also remember some of the all-time best and other great action films outside of the superhero genre often have a lot of humor and comedy in them too. _______ Flash Gordon Flash Gordon is online now Jokerz79 Jokerz79 is online now Marvel only doing jokes is a false narrative because Civil War wasn't and Dr. Strange only had a few. As for no wanting "dark" I never found the DCEU dark I mean honestly Marvel is doing more gritty realistic stuff on Netflix I mean Punisher came out the same day as Justice League and it's way more grittier than anything in the DCEU IMO and there was Logan which didn't fail. Critics would not have torn the Dark Knight apart for "not being a comedy". Logan just came out and was critically acclaimed and not even slightly a comedy. A film about Wolverine of all things. Civil War also was not a comedy. It had fun moments but the ending of that film is tragic. Some critics just don't like certain films because they're just not very good, objectively. _________ JUSTICE LEAGUE A Box Office Disaster - Box Office Report Jens Blaze16 hours ago The reason is simple..... Thor Ragnarok is like RAGING FIRE, Justice League is like smoldering fire...... Bael Bard6 hours ago (edited) Ragnarok was a great and refreshing take on Thor, whose movies before were some the weakest in the MCU. A space buddy cop movie with distinct visual style and humor, that isn't rehashing "save the world from the bad guy" plot and instead asks the quiestion "what does it mean to save your world?". Great and unique. Justice League is just DC's generic attempt to be Marvel. S Bam12 hours ago (edited) Rising tide raises all ships? Sure Feige has the vision to recognize that...but maybe somebody should have told Ayer who said "F**k Marvel" or Snyder who mocked Thor as laughable and Ant-Man as flavor of the month. These are the "moronic" (Campea's own words) people who DC gave the keys to. Darth Lehnsherr11 hours ago Ah yes Ant-Man that "flavour of the week" that made more money in China than BvS..... SM BS6 hours ago S Bam He also joked about Captain America,Iron Man and Thor for getting their own solo movie. Quote Originally Posted by Soubhagya View Post Why do fans call MCU films comedies? Civil War was a serious affair. The first phase films were all pretty serious. Winter Soldier is serious. They tell good and entertaining stories and that's it. They make good films. We may not like it but people in general love them. Critics loved Logan too. I was thinking there's a bias but truly speaking there isn't. Audiences are not loving DCEU films. Maybe because they don't consider them worth it. Justice League earned below 100 millions dollars. I would never have believed even a week ago that Thor Ragnarok managed to have a higher opening weekend. We are looking at the possibility that JL won't earn more then what WW did. Inconceivable. Quote Originally Posted by Jokerz79 View Post In reality the only true audience score in cinemascore which actually makes sure they saw the film. Justice League got a B+ but so did Baywatch. Quote Originally Posted by Soubhagya View Post And that's true. One can vote at RT without even watching the film. Cinemascore checks out the people who have really watched it. Its fairly accurate. I checked out Fantastic Beasts Cinemascore. It had an A. Its not difficult for such a film to start with 74 million and earn 800+ million dollars. Word of mouth can be gauged by Cinemascore. That's the reality. _______________ steven patterson2 days ago Maybe if dc/Warner’s actually had a formula they would make a good solid movie, instead of changing idea half way through a story arc ( to try and be more like the marvel movies ) now they are throwing Snyder under the bus,the company is a joke by Fletcher_Drumming2 days ago The problem is that DC hasn't given me the since of darkness since The Dark Night. Suicide Squad wasn't dark, WW wasn't dark, superman wasn't dark, Justice league wasn't dark. The only one that was dark was Batman vs Superman and it still wasn't all that dark. Don't get me wrong I like DC, but if Avengers 3 and 4 are as good as they look then they really have DC beaten. The biggest problem with DC is that they are trying to rush too much. by TheCell1112 minutes ago (edited) Marvel live action movies has beaten dc live action movies already,more so if you combined the non-mcu marvel films with the mcu marvel fillms. ___________________ by WebLurker Not everyone turns out a winner every time. Steven Spielberg is possibly one of the best directors in the business, and he's made some of the greatest movies and some of the worst. While it is true that directors do have a specific style that can be recognized (Bay didn't get his reputation for nothing), Marvel movies are directed by different people who bring different sensibilities into the mix. Also the MCU has proven to be diverse in tone depending on the subject matter (compare the Captain America movies to Guardians of the Galaxy or Doctor Strange). The X-Men will have a tone of its own because of the stuff that makes it unique from the other franchises and the specific creative team given the reigns. (There might be more humor than the other movies, but even Logan had comic relief. Besides some of the funniest stuff I've seen in comics outside of Spider-Man came from X-Men stuff.) Let me give you an even easier example; the MCU has given us sci-fi, fantasy, war movies, spy thrillers, and heists within the same overall series. They also have done character development over the course of this series very well, bar none. (Also, the Captain America movies do not fit your description and Spider-Man is a property that supposed to be light-hearted by nature -- albeit with a serious edge.) There's a difference between having humor and taking the movie seriously. The MCU does use humor, but the stories are generally taken seriously. Also, comedy does not equal a lack of substance. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 was funny and had substance in the characters, like Logan had substance in its characters, but through a serious story. The MCU movies made so far are not X-Men movies and should be taking inspiration from their source material and what makes the characters work. (For example, should Spider-Man have the same tone as Wolverine?)

[@bricktwo5849]

Stakes in mcu movies by ZegetaX112 hours ago yes marvel needs to kill major characters they have had too many fake outs deaths and that is frustrating in civil war some one dies and that should have been war machine because there was no real consequences and although people will say he can't walk tony fixed his legs with ease so there is no lasting damage there by keith guinan11 hours ago What about Quicksilver? I loved the character in the comics and I was hoping he would be in multiple movies. I was totally bummed out when he died because I always think of the Avengers as having quicksilver and scarlet witch as members by JonnyGotLost10 hours ago Naw jon makes a better point, character deaths does not equal higher stakes , tension does by James Nolan10 hours ago ZegetaX1 "No real consequences" Says a fool that obviously has no family or responsibilities. There are literally 2 active Avengers by the end of Civil War. Everyone else is a Fugitive from the Sokovia Accords. T'chaka, the Black Panther of the 20th Century was killed. Peggy Carter, Steve Rogers True Love Died. The MCU uses death to motivate character growth. Like Wanda after Pietro dying. Or T'challa after T'chaka. Or the Avengers after Coulson. by Dick Israel10 hours ago ZegetaX1 War Machine will never die. He's sells a lot of Toys for Marvel. by HarpoSpoke9 hours ago So I guess it's not "frustrating" that DC does the exact same thing? Or are we supposed to forget the fake deaths for Batman (TDKR) and Superman (BvS)? Not seeing them kill Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Lantern, or Aquaman either. Another one of those fake complaints about Marvel where DC does the same thing (like "weak villains"). If anything, Marvel kills too many characters. Their villains never seem to make it out alive at the end. Now that is frustrating! Imagine if DC killed off the Joker or Lex Luthor after one movie. by Joshua & James Munson9 hours ago Nope by Black Spectre8 hours ago Why do people believe that in Captain America Civil War unless someone died then there wasn't any consequences? So the Avengers being broken isn't a consequence? Captain America and half of the Avengers are now wanted criminals and that wasn't a consequence? The Earth being left defenseless from Thanos is NOT a consequence? C'mon dude stop it. Death alone is not a major consequence by SuperShanko8 hours ago +James Nolan Ehhhh, Peggy dying of age isn't the same thing and it doesn't help when Steve was hooking up with her niece. by SuperShanko8 hours ago And I'm sorry but IW negates CW. For comparison it would be like if Batman and Superman never resolved their issues by the end of the movie, Steppenwolf comes a knocking and they have to join forces out of common interest. Who did what beforehand is irrelevant when there's an obviously dangerous threat here. by HarpoSpoke8 hours ago Sounds like some of you would write a movie where the hero fails every time. If they win at the end that means all the struggles throughout the movie are negated. by ZegetaX17 hours ago +My names Jeff ironman and captain are still friends how can you say anything happened by ZegetaX17 hours ago +Black Spectre ironman forgave captain after the letter so no real break up they are still friends by Agent SuperArgo7 hours ago ZegetaX1 I know Batman is a major character but Doomsday should have smoked his ass....period. by James Moore5 hours ago They do, i get tension but tension comes with consequences and outcomes which should involve death. I want Thanos to be imposing, intimidating, and a worthy threat to everyone. by Darth Lehnsherr5 hours ago If someone died in Civil War then immediately all the heroes would stop fighting and band together. That's what made Civil War in the comics so silly especially on Tony's side and made them look like villains. At the end of the day the Avengers are heroes so you need to create a conflict that while legit doesn't paint them as idiots or without morals. by HarpoSpoke3 hours ago It should be interesting to see if this "someone should die" claim is applied to JL movies. Will there be "no consequences" if all the JL members make it out alive? I predict that suddenly won't be a problem. by My names Jeff3 hours ago ZegetaX1 They clearly arent. Did you even watch the movie? by James Nolan2 hours ago SuperShanko Dude, Agent 13's speech at Peggy's funeral was Cap's Speech from the Civil War Comic. She is the motivation to Stand and Not Sign even in death. And you would bang Agent 13 too HA! by James Nolan2 hours ago SuperShanko IW brings Reason To Unite. Nothing negates the Past. Forgiveness is about the Present and Future. by ZegetaX12 hours ago +My names Jeff the letter scene when captain wrote ironman a letter saying he would help and clearly in spider man movie ironman has no I'll will towards captain meaning he forgave him by HarpoSpoke1 hour ago Wait...did you guys think Cap and Tony were never going to be friends again? by Nine the Phanthom12 hours ago In my opinion, no they dont need to kill off characters. Side characters, yes if the story makes it work. Why should we kill off franchises just to have stakes when you can have stakes in alot of other ways. by Deuce Horn12 hours ago Nine the Phanthom in a lot of other ways, huh? Like what? by Nine the Phanthom11 hours ago Deuce Horn i knew i would get this question, so here are a few i would say off the top of my head. Life can be ruined Life style can be at risk Loved ones dying Loved ones getting in trouble Loss of innocence that could be built up Betrayal by friends Loss of critical institutions important to the characters Just stuff like that. Killing off a main character is just like the LAST STRAW. by JonnyGotLost11 hours ago Nine the Phanthom i agree with this wise man lol by RedfurredPikachu9 hours ago Like having a charachter enslaved, tortured, innoncents being caught in the crossfire. A main charachter should only be killed off if there's no more room for them to grow. by Cade White12 hours ago The difference between Bond and the Avengers is that the Avengers are an ensemble, immediately making them more expendable. If Marvel villains aren't strong enough to kill any characters, then why should they even be considered to a threat to anybody aside from the faceless masses of people that are much harder to care about than the characters we've spent so much time with. by Pre Retcon Beyonder11 hours ago Cade White exactly by James Nolan2 hours ago Cade White You are ignoring every character you deem "expendable" has a huge fan base going back decades. Some as old as Bond, some far older. Every Death Means Something. That's why we need Super Heroes. That's the entire message of Civil War. Every MCU villain has killed somebody if memory serves correctly. And Thanos has potential to be greatest film villain ever. Depends how much of Starlin they use. Other views gohanson2714 hours ago "Everybody dies in the universe". Spider-Man Homecoming coming soon.....LMAO. He has an opinion, but come on man to say Marvel has stakes is just being friendly. They are entertaining films. Why can't they just be that? Marvel doesn't need stakes to make the film entertaining. Good or bad they are still entertaining. But so is Titans. the insurance10 hours ago (edited) You mean Spider-man Far from Home. Not Spider-man homecoming that came out in 2017 a year ago lol. The mcu does have stakes. There have been people that have die and are never coming back. Quicksilver and Yondu are the main ones. If you are just talking about the movies and not the shows then Colson Die too. But if you are going to bring up the shows as well. Then the Netflix shows and agent of shield have a lot of stakes. Also Spider-Man and the rest of them was a no brainer. Everyone knows they were coming back because if they didn't then everyone would just bitch and cry why did you kill them off. Define stakes. Is that when you have main characters die. Mcu has done that. Do you mean do citizens die. Yes that has happened too. Do you mean the villain isn't powerful dangerous or has a plan that will kill a lot of people. Yes the mcu has done that as well. People die all the time and people are in danger those are stakes.

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Why Marvel Should Explore Elseworld Movies Of Their Own Raphael De La Ghetto16 hours ago (edited) Marvel doesn't need an Elseword b/c their main universe is already set-up to explore a variety of different stories as is. No need to copy the guys that screwed up Batman v Superman and Justice League. Ryan16 hours ago Raphael De La Ghetto Hahaha your right. The two kittens Entertainment inc16 hours ago Raphael De La Ghetto Nah I think that would be an amazing thing if they did for the same reasons that John likes the idea. Raphael De La Ghetto16 hours ago (edited) The two kittens Entertainment inc He's wrong... #1 DC is only exploring this b/c their main universe is a shit show and nobody cares about the current versions of their characters. #2 Contrary to popular belief, the MCU does not overly constrain their directors as evidenced by films like Black Panther, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Thor Ragnorak. #3, John mentioned "standalone movies". The MCU is filled with standalone movies. All of the universe building stuff is almost always background Easter eggs, organically woven cameos, or post credit scenes. They don't need an Elseworld to tell great stories b/c they're already doing that. The two kittens Entertainment inc16 hours ago Raphael De La Ghetto but those movies aren’t great at least in my opinion they are ok at best. Going to else world stories and holing nothing back on the dark and gritty stuff that’s what’s going to be good u know because most comics are dark. The two kittens Entertainment inc16 hours ago (edited) Raphael De La Ghetto but those movies aren’t great at least in my opinion they are ok at best. Going to else world stories and holing nothing back on the dark and gritty stuff that’s what’s going to be good u know it will be a really good way to tell the stories that they can’t show on the big screen in the and can’t mesh in to the mcu because most comics are dark. And yes The Netflix shows are dark but shows go on too long or get canceled and there budgets are limited, so elseworld movies are the best way to go.

[@dhanayspatel]

All great points! 😄The adventure point is great mention as its very easily overlooked. One more Thing I'd like to expect that James Gunn's DCU do is add a language of 'Mystery' incorporated in Storytelling whichever way whether its visual, direction or story. Not everything has to be on the nose & rushed with explanation and expositions (cough Marvel cough) , let it cook cinematically and have the questions answered when they are needed to be. Matt reeves' The Batman and Bruce Timm's animated'verse does it pretty well and lots of it has to do with its villains, themes and their visual storytelling.

[@Boaman5435TigerReticPythons]

James Gunn should make the Justice League reboot when he's ready. James Gunn is going to establish Superman, Guy Gardner Green Lantern, Batman, Hawkgirl and Supergirl first which is awesome. I am looking forward to James Gunn's Superman movie and Batman movie.

[@Sehlat]

I basically agree with all of it, but point 6 will be hard to do in this kind of universe.

[@TwinRiver100]

4:51 oh also i think the animated straight to DVD/Blu-Ray films are a good example of self-contained one-shots or different continuities for DC. seen a few of them, I think some of them are good and I kind of like. ex) the one where Batman kind of was in this Bruce Lee style martial arts movie with Lady Shiva I think.

[@TwinRiver100]

4:51 this is what I've been thinking and I've said before about having a Batman Beyond movie with Keaton. Go ahead and do the main in continuity movies that connect, but also have some space to do either fun one-shots or separate continuity stuff with DC characters of different styles and tones. I'm not sure I was fully a fan of Joker, but I like the idea of what it was doing. I think Matt Reaves's The Batman was more in line with the spirit and tone with what I was looking for personally with this kind of separate continuity thing. I think this would be a good space to try a BladeRunner aesthic style Batman Beyond movie. You do a one shot best you can do self contained story in the world. see how it goes. Then if you have another idea for another one you do that. and maybe depending on how well things are going, maybe you can consider having some stuff from the Batman Beyond maybe show up in the main DC stuff for an event or something you may have pre-planned out or something. I don't know.

[@carl0maldonado46]

Yeah killing off favorite characters is not the way to go… that’s one of the small reasons why people hate that in comics.. if see where John is coming from but commercial superheroes shouldn’t be treated like characters in game of thrones

[@alexcerdenanyc]

Superman: Red Son would be nice

[@TonyP_Yes-its-Me]

About consequences: (Spoilers) In "Pennyworth" (which is mostly great BTW), they killed a major character, in an emotional and satisfying way. But two episodes later, they're back, better than ever. All the drama and pathos, thrown out the window, for a badly handled rug-pull.

[@Kevdog1920]

Yea I agree with everything

[@HallowPool193]

You know if DC has a multiversel thing like marvel will have sometime in the future my only wishlist of old cameos to come back the teen Titans from 2003 would be awesome or mainly i just want to see the old teen Titans of 2003 interacting with this new DCU. And this is a really good list and i hope all of these items are in the new dcu.

[@imper_gaming]

An impactful death would be Barry Allen a la Crisis on Infinite Earths. It would only work if you build up BA and Wally West as characters, with the latter taking on the mantle of the Flash

[@liloiax22]

2:32- _"wishy‐washy"_ hahaha😆

[@enriquecaceres3969]

11. Find actors who are committed to a long relationship with DC

[@Sehlat]

and don't get fired for it, like Henry Cavill and Ben Affleck were. 😉😠

[@xXCROSSFEEDXx]

Weren't fired but okay @@Sehlat

[@Sehlat]

@@xXCROSSFEEDXx What would you call it? Wasn't Henry Cavill taken out of The Flash and Ben Affleck out of Aquaman 2? So they were effectively fired from the DCEU. And The Flash movie symbolically fired Ben Affleck by replacing his Bruce Wayne with Michael Keaton's. It was probably inevitable, but it wasn't for lack of them trying. It was Warner Bros. who weren't committed to them.

[@xXCROSSFEEDXx]

@@Sehlat First of all they did what they were hired to do which was shoot a certain a number of scenes. They did their job. Firing them would be letting them go DURING their shooting. Actors are freelance workers so when they are hired to do a movie and they finish their contribution of work, that's it. They are not obligated to come back unless wb wants them back. If you hire an electrician and they finish what you wanted done and years later you hire another electrician that's different, you didn't fire the first electrician, you just didn't hire them again. And you're saying that ben affleck was symbolically fired? There's no such thing as SYMBOLICALLY FIRED lol. He also wasn't replaced with michael keaton when he also isn't scheduled to come back. I also hate to tell you this but ben wasn't coming back regardless

[@Sehlat]

@@xXCROSSFEEDXx Yes, obviously you can be symbolically fired from a universe, as this proves. And if you point out the actors are freelancers, which is true, then you can't expect actors to be "committed to a long relationship with DC" as @enriquecaceres3969 does. Ben Affleck wasn't going to come back because of the way he had been treated. And he didn't write the script of the Flash film, so he was extraordinarily committed.

[@buhlengcibi6979]

Do we even need a universe,why not just make great DC movies and maybe consider making it a connected univers after putting together a slate of great movies

[@egarci1010]

Our reference point of a shared universe is only the MCU. If James Gunn sincerely wants to bring a different approach to the shared universe then I’m all for it. A slow narrative thread biking over 10+ projects while also maintaining directors and writers unique style sounds like pie in the sky but at least he’s swinging for the fences. Whether he pulls it off remains to be seen.

[@emekaabuah6029]

I think you are right John about stand alone movies. The idea of making these "Gods" more mortal or human by introducing something that they struggle with is great.

[@annabailey4554]

We had that. Yet people still cry Snyder doesn't know what he's doing

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[@damaruslove8688]

Campea you do know what hawkmans power is right 😂

[@thejordyoshi]

Bring back the BA Hawkman just to have him killed, then recast his reincarnation as someone closer to Hawkgirl/Isabella Merced's age.

[@stevebrien1041]

You make a good point about consequences. With both Marvel and DC having multiverses and time time travel nothing is permanent but perhaps it needs to be

[@IamBrixTM]

Best model for the DCU imo: Bruce Timm’s DC animated shows. (Batman TAS, Justice League Unlimited etc) They were damn near perfect portrayals of the characters. Mainstream and obscure alike.

[@jimkellysafro]

Batman TAS is up there with The Dark Knight. The new My Adventures with Superman is great too

[@j.jennings1722]

YES!! Adventure! That is the secret sauce that has been missing in the most recent superhero movies, along with a sense of mystery. Recent superhero movies feel like a bunch of action set-pieces, strung together in a way to disguise the fact there's no actual plot to the movies. I feel exhausted after watching them, not invigorated. I want to leave a superhero movie, feeling like I'm about to lift off the ground and become a superhero myself, not feel drained from all the furious action that never lets up. You gotta have some down moments in a movie to process what just happened, but the latest movies are too frenetic. All I really remember about Doctor Strange 2 was about him and some annoying girl running away from Wanda. There was a lot of action and cool moments, but the whole ended up being not nearly equal to the sum of its parts. There's something lacking, and you hit the nail on the head. It's a lack of adventure. Their sense of mystery, adventure and fun have been replaced by constant action. And I, for one, find those plot-less movies shallow and uninteresting. ❤✌

[@patrickadams7120]

One rich villain that i want to see is Brainiac.....i think with the possibility of real AI on the horizon it's a perfect time to bring the concept of humanity and what it means to be human to a Superman movie and acceptance/non acceptance of 2 aliens with very opposing world views.....I would also keep Brainiac around for a number of movies as he has a real possibility for enormous character growth

[@lordofninjas1]

I agree with all 10 points of what Gunn needs to do. I don't really have anything to add beyond that, at least not about the points themselves other than to say its a solid list. I do think a few of these are things Marvel could use too, though we'll see now that they're coming out of the Chapek era, at least on the movie side of things, if it is something they need to learn or if it's something Chapek didn't understand about these sorts of stories.

[@ericcousino2068]

I just rewatched Shang Chi and it is the perfect example of item number 5: Tell Personal Stories. The relationship between Shang and his father and family makes you care. Which in turn gives weight to the awesome dragon battle scene. With out that personal story the movie would be visual noise.

[@Idevaughan530]

That brings up one thing I don’t like about marvel I wish marvel had there own version of elseworlds like DC elseworlds and have different movies set in different universes and multiverses something marvel hasn’t done and wish they would. Movies and shows outside of the DCU is the one thing I think DC is doing better than marvel on

[@valak561]

I think john to success the dcu james gunn need an actor less controversies and less talk in social media and less interview

[@K.H6751]

Have high hopes for a green arrow movie.

[@astralzombie]

He needs to do ONE thing, insist on writing that’s at least as good as his own, full stop.

[@IamBrixTM]

Solid list. I just want them to actually capture the soul of these characters as opposed to the miserable distortions we saw in the Snyder movies. I want a wide eyed optimist from Superman. I want a complicated conflicted Batman who refuses to give up on humanity. Give these characters heart damn it. I trust Gunn, certainly more then Snyder, so I’m gonna try to stay hype for the DCU.

[@adamhayes2528]

For the love of god use special fx as little as you can. Every marvel movie now a day and most big budget movies use sound stages and green screens for like everything. Please be as practical as you can James.

[@OtitisGrimm]

1) Make sure your directors understand the character. It shouldn't be they read one comic book and are doing an adaptation of it. 2) It's ok if the villain wins. 3) Don't bring different heroes together. Save them for a huge event. 4) Mix up villains with heroes. Lets see how Superman handles the Joker. 5) No romance between the heroes.

[@blakepittman6679]

1) Make sure your directors actually read the comics. Snyder has said on multiple occasions that he does not read comics. He does not enjoy them and finds the storytelling to be juvenile. He looks at the art and recreates the panels, that’s it.

[@Boaman5435TigerReticPythons]

John I completely agree with your number 8. Marvel's got way too many superheroes now in thier movie universe. I used to love the mcu so much during phase one and phase two.

[@frankcalderon4681]

If I was pitching him the job, I would have said ‘we’ve seen how you can elevate lesser known characters up, now let’s see you take well established characters and have them take a step forward from what we know and have seen’ also ‘are you able to put aside what YOU want to see and find a balance of what EVERYONE would want to see?’

[@alansepicvideos9083]

3:30 that is also something that happened with DCEU because WB changed Suicide Squad and Justice League so much from what the directors' (David Ayer and Zack Snyder) visions are and they were hated by fans. 10:31 this also happened with DCEU with BVS just as a MCU cash in and if they didn't do that (as well as Superman's death), Batman v Superman would have made it a better film than the one we have.

[@Steven_Edwards]

Whats funny was I heard they didn't even really want Gunn, because Warner has always been a bunch of bean counters, they wanted Peter Saffron. He wouldn't come along without Gunn, and so Gunn is playing the Kevin Fiege role. Will Warner commit or will they pull the plug? My bet is they pull the plug.

[@IRenegadEEEEE]

I agree with all of these barring 4. People are just not capable of keeping things separate and the comparisons will be toxic.

[@JAF729]

I think it's crazy to reboot the DC franchise this soon. You said yourself that the first film isn't going to do that great and it has to be really good to create interest. That is because the demand for superhero movies isn't that great right now. Wait 2 maybe even 3 years, and release a few good stand alone movies during that time. Get people wanting more before flooding theaters with a bunch of superhero films. Create a demand. Just an idea.

[@GefilteFish.]

well, spiderman animated made a ton of money....guardians 3 made a good amount of money. What's hurting the movie business is streaming. If a movie isn't really good, people would rather wait for streaming. They keep releasing these films to streaming about 2 months after release.

[@taihirglover8469]

I feel like they already did the struggle with Superman in Snyder's universe is just people were so focused on him killings odd that they didn't see anything else other than that.

[@stevebrien1041]

The DC cartoons are very good but are VERY dark

[@j.jennings1722]

I like the idea of a Superman who struggles with his place in the world, and with how his race of people were basically narcissistic control freaks with a superiority complex, and with his fear of turning into them. However, the audience should always trust that the hero we know and love will do the right thing in the end, because he's Clark Kent in his soul, and his kindhearted parents taught him to be a giving spirit who loves his adopted homeworld. Turning him evil, as Snyder intended, is a copout and would alienate a large portion of the superhero audience, like me, who are older and have waited patiently for decades to watch great superhero movies. Especially ones about Superman, who was voted in a nationwide poll in the early '70s as the second greatest hero ever, only behind Neil Armstrong. Yes, we considered Superman a hero on another level, and messing with his legacy is tantamount to near religious heresy. Why do you think Jerry Seinfeld kept a Superman figure on his refrigerator in his show, and why he always talked about Superman? Boomers virtually worship him.

[@arthurahabwe1301]

Elseworlds movies should be animated. Making them live action divides the DC audience further more. Hollywood reporter put out a great article about this division.

[@akavario]

One major, major thing they could do in order to succeed is this: WRITE A GOOD SCRIPT! Please, for the love of Gondor, just write a suitable treatment, then craft a suitable script out of it. Please.

[@user-ft6jd5sh6z]

his movies will only succeed if we want to see them or bnot just because hes james gunn and did well with the mcu dont mean we are goin to be payin money to see his movies they well in fact could still be a box office letdown

[@JasonBebopp343]

Not sure what the 10 are but the 1 thing he must do is reboot EVERYONE and EVERYTHING to avoid confusion. P.s No Marvel stupidity jokes a minute either please

[@sprocket-YT]

James Gunn’s handling of the DC transition has been far from great will see how Aquaman 2 goes but if that bombs then Legacy he's toast!

[@danielkarimi4404]

He was not in charge of anything that has recently released, it was all apart of the old regime at WB, his true start comes with Legacy, so give it some time before writing it off

[@kinglowery9686]

Batman vs superman made 872 million world wide

[@liquadzcod5575]

And it should of made 1bil it has Batman and superman in it

[@kinglowery9686]

871 is a great number y'all crazy

[@liquadzcod5575]

@@kinglowery9686 not for a Batman and superman

[@liquadzcod5575]

@@DavidBanner-de5om yes because they were good and just had Batman wb with Batman and superman in it was expecting avenger numbers

[@blakepittman6679]

Projections had it grossing $1.2 billion or more, it was a mediocre film at best that misused both main characters.

[@joshaldamuy8214]

You could argue that superman legacy is the most important film in the history of Warner Brothers

[@egarci1010]

I wouldn’t go that far. But in DCs history for sure

[@joemish4540]

​@@egarci1010 considering how much Zaslav plans to lean on the IP, it is that important.

[@doyscherr]

No- Do not kill Superman again. We already saw that and it was stupid the first time. That currency has been spent.

[@Wolfhunter5607]

i doubt Gunn will do that for the 2nd movie😭

[@noahvalenica8808]

He will probably do a death of Superman but later on

[@hkr0065]

That is honestly the last thing I am concerned about. No way they would do that in this take, let alone in the second damn movie like the DCEU did

[@noahvalenica8808]

@@hkr0065 I mean like once the universe is set up like there’s already plenty of movies

[@hungvu-xc3uf]

the first point i disagree with, because of logan

[@hkr0065]

There are exceptions to every rule. Clearly he wouldn't say this about a Punisher movie. So I think he's talking more in a general sense.

[@MultiMangoPie]

I think he's already started wrong, he needed to start the universe with Batman. Batman is the most marketable DC hero, people will show up for Batman, there are still a lot of people who think Superman is not as interesting, I'm not one of them, but I know a bunch of people who do. He needed to start with Batman, and have a post credit scene where the news people are talking about seeing something in the sky and not knowing what it is, and then you do the Superman movie.

[@randyodonnell7579]

Bingo. Use the Batman film to build into a Superman film. I'm a Superman fan too but his IP is not strong enough to launch a cinematic universe.

[@bernardonhard5539]

That’s a really stupid take.

[@ogrickboyyyyy972]

You pretentious try hards in this comment section just be saying anything to try to seem different. But in reality you just sound like a hack

[@brandonmedina494]

It worked in animation. Batman the Animated Series led to Superman TAS then Justice League/Unlimited

[@frankcalderon4681]

Superman needs to be written to have charm and personality. The best versions of him have this: George reeves, Christopher Reeve and Tyler Hoechlin. I do not blame Brandon routh or henry Cavill for their versions, but I blame the writers/directors for Making him a wordless wonder. Sure they looked the part, but nothing about how they were written screamed superman to me in terms of personality, where as… I was ready to dismiss Tyler’s superman until that ‘here you go friend’ ‘thanks! My mom made it for me!’ And I was sold after that 20 second clip.

[@blakepittman6679]

The Tyler version is SO good. It is a modern take on classic Superman that does it right.

[@zagariasbooysen7401]

Down the line they could do the death of Superman. Like they did in the Comics. This was my very first comic i ever bought. I never knew Superman could die. BvS did it wrong. I love the 2 Animated Movies Dc did put out a few years ago.

[@MichaelParten1]

He's needs to commit to the main Justice League not these Passion Projects

[@Keruthesage]

Why mot introduce lesser known characters ?

[@MichaelParten1]

@@Keruthesage great way to loose money especially if he's not directing

[@egarci1010]

Last thing you wanna do is rush the League. Theres Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Lanterns projects all slated. Let’s care about the characters before forming the league

[@MichaelParten1]

@@egarci1010 that's what I'm saying concentrate on the main Justice League Members

[@randyodonnell7579]

Gunn's DCU is already too broad. The first phase should have been films that establish Batman, WW, Green lantern and Superman. Then, on that foundation, build. Superman Legacy is too "stuffed" and more are expected to be announced after the strike. SL is looking like an ensemble film featuring Lois and Clark. Gunn says he is not adding all these characters to launch them into their own projects. I don't believe Gunn - sorry. This begs the question - why isn't Gunn using Superman universe characters. Emil Hamilton, JHI, Manchester Black and on and on. A missed opportunity which in part will cause SL to underperform. Batman is by far the most popular and lucrative DC IP. so, he will be used - a lot. Only Batman can sustain two concurrent film IPs. He is the heart and soul of DC while Superman is the honorary head. Check out the costumes this Halloween. You likely will not find a Superman suit. It's all Batman, Flash, Green Arrow in terms of DC characters. Given the key role Batman plays his film should be the first one in the DCU. It is close to a guarantee to do well - I'm sure you agree on that. But Superman - just last week you said Superman Legacy will be a financial flop. You are correct and that begs the question why would the studio build their DCU on a less than firm foundation? If SL is a financial flop WBD will make major changes to Gunn's Phase 1. The most likely is using Batman and his supporting gallery of characters as the core to the DCU for a number of years until the DCU is stabilized. Then bring in the other projects. The reality is that WBD/Zaslav can't afford for their first DCU film to fail financially and lose perhaps hundreds of millions. There is little buzz for SL and industry folk such as yourself are saying SL will not do well. This is not lost on the studio. Look for Superman Legacy to be delayed with an announcement coming after the strike has ended. That gives Zaslav cover and will reassure investors who can't be happy with the risk of starting the DCU with a Superman film.

[@xXCROSSFEEDXx]

!. Regarding SL, who's to say he's (gunn) not using characters that exist within superman's world? You're assuming he's not based off of absolutely nothing and just because he added 3 heroes doesn't mean that they're going to take up a substantial part of the movie 2. You're right in that batman is there biggest dc ip to date, but you would be crazy to think that superman isn't a draw for a lot of people, especially on a mass scale. People just don't care for superman because wb never really gave him a personal story that much so there was never anything for them to connect to, just admire. And to say that people are wearing a green arrow costume more than a superman costume is laughable 3. You shouldn't start with batman because of what type of character he is and because of the amount of batman centric content rn. Between having a DCU batman, matt reeves batman, animated batman, and batman off shoots like harley quinn, having an entire universe start off with batman is just too much. Especially when people have already voiced that they don't want to just have batman content and some are getting tired off it. Also, batman is a loner type of character where he shouldn't be featured in more projects than his own so if you want to stay true to the character, he can't be as attached as superman can. Now I don't necessarily agree with john or others that SL will flop, because it's superman. People will go see it for the sheer fact that it's superman and by the time it releases it would've 12 years since the character has been on the big screen on top of the fact that the director of the gotg trilogy is directing the movie. However if it does flop, it won't be because it's not batman because he would have the same chances of flopping, it will be because of DC's reputation due to the DCEU being a failure 4. The reason there's little to no buzz is because the movie is still 2 years away lol. And if it does get delayed, it won't be because of it being a universe starting with superman and not batman, it will be because of the strikes

[@bernardonhard5539]

I swear the John campea comment section are always filled with pretentious nerds who don’t know what they’re talking about

[@joemish4540]

​@Gamer97704no it didn't. It started with B:TAS and then S:TAS where characters like Flash,Aquaman,Dr. Fate and Kyle showed up and then they did JL. DCAU is different than the universe that started with JL:War

[@annabailey4554]

Gunn is just a yes man. He'll do whatever WB allows

[@Wolfhunter5607]

how is he a yes man?he only answers to zaslav who prolly doesn’t care about movies😭 so i imagine he’s leaving it to gunn and safran to run DC fr. I think if reeves or philips took the job in the first place, it would be the same way it is now

[@DesignsbyLinTin]

He needs to understand that behind the camera drama and talent/executive drama had a lot to do with downfall of DCEU and DC's brand damage so he needs to keep his loud mouth and certain things to himself.

[@princeofallsayians1551]

Number 11. Restore the Snyder Darkseid story

[@minanabil4767]

No Not yet

[@BrutalVengeance89184]

Not happening

[@IamBrixTM]

No god damn it. His movies blow ass and fell flat on their face. Stay as far away from Snyder storytelling as possible. For the love of god, no more Snyder

[@princeofallsayians1551]

@Gamer97704 no one wants Creature Commandos

[@princeofallsayians1551]

@Gamer97704 the suicide squad was box office suicide nobody wanted that so nobody went to go see it. Gunn turned Amanda Waller into a Saturday night live sketch character.

[@neromusic138]

Listening to these in my head I keep saying “Gunn will do the opposite of this and that” it’s not looking good 😑

[@mrsam0496]

DC was just 2 disappointments in, BvS and Justice League, and decided to completely change course by firing Snyder. The MCU is now over 10 disappointments in but Feige is still in control. Am not a Snyder fan but atleast there was a vision. Gunn is too MCU for DC. This is going to be hillarious

[@egarci1010]

Zacks Vision was compromised after Man of Steel. He wanted to do MOS2 but Warner wanted to rush into the MCU like universe, hence bringing in Batman and Wonder Woman. Killing Superman in the second movie made zero sense. So the vision your talking about wasn’t even the intended vision lol.

[@joemish4540]

And yet, everything up to Aquaman in the DCEU made. Even the trainwreck the execs fucked up made 658 million. Starting with Shazam,the box office dropped,and that'd because the old DCEU fans and general audience walked away and only came back for Joker and some for The Batman. Josstice,BOP,TSS,Black Adam,Shazam 2,The Flash,Blue Beetle and soon AQ2. Which ones are disappointments?

[@rodneyohrt5741]

Give the fans what they want getting rid of henry cavill makes many of turn away from anything the little gun movies

[@aaronmoyer4722]

Haha no one cares about Cavill

[@rodneyohrt5741]

@@aaronmoyer4722 I take it that anything that dangles up james gunn goes into your mouth

[@costa2794]

Marvel give what fans wanted, and thats ruined them, fans sometimes ruin everything

[@rodneyohrt5741]

Really just cone out of the closet

[@CRUELLANDER]

How about no. We stop making Superhero movies for awhile and instead let’s make a Elder Scrolls tv show or a Elder Scrolls movie.

[@WhyteLis21]

Well, Bethesda studio is letting Hollywood do the first live action Fallout tv show for Amazon steaming. The show is developed by the same people who created, Westworld tv show, too. So, hopefully, Elder Scroll live action tv show is not too far behind. Fingers crossed and wait, though. Lol.

[@sharpsin694]

1 thing James Gunn MUST do to make DC successful: LEAVE !!!

[@Wolfhunter5607]

yes let’s kick him out before he did anything

[@laemert09]

I agree feel as though it’s making DC worst, but also I don’t want the rock to run it

[@egarci1010]

He leaves then what? What’s your plan? If you say bring back Snyder then nobody will take you seriously

[@joemish4540]

​@@egarci1010find someone more qualified and more experienced or let DeLuca and Abdy run it.

[@rodneyohrt5741]

​@@egarci1010Snyder was a hell of a lot better than gunn

[@jimkellysafro]

James Gunn isn’t going to save DC. It’s too little too late. There’s not a single James Gunn movie that I’ve felt the need to watch more than once. The films are enjoyable in the cinema, but I don’t want to watch them again like other great superhero movies..

[@BrutalVengeance89184]

Lame and irresponsible comment

[@remymorgan9630]

@@BrutalVengeance89184 But true...

[@IamBrixTM]

Disagree, myself and others love his movies. And anything is better than where the DCEU was

[@jimkellysafro]

@@IamBrixTM I agree his films are enjoyable, but they lack the iconic rewatch value of other superhero films. *”Anything is better”* works for low budget horror movie franchises. Superhero movies are too expensive to have such low expectations. DC needs iconic films to dig itself out of the hole. James Gunn’s *Superman Legacy* is “Superman and friends”, and the friends are *characters the average cinema goer doesn’t know or care about.* - For example, Superman Legacy has Hawkgirl, Mr Terrific and Metamorpho (Rex Mason). In addition to this trio, we have Guy Gardner (Green Lantern) who has a higher profile. However, that’s still *four superheroes in the first Superman Movie; that’s too much* for a reboot of the Superman franchise. *Why not let Superman have his own film* instead they of Superman and friends? Marvel *let Iron Man establish the universe;* then most of the Avengers got their standalone film before the team up, but *DC keeps trying to rush the world building.* *”My Adventures with Superman”* animated series is one of my favourite incarnations of Superman. Clark’s “friends” are Lois and Jimmy; iconic characters the average person knows about. I just don’t see James Gunn doing that. *TLDR:* Superhero movies are too expensive to have the bar set as low as “anything is better”. Unfortunately, James Gunn only know how to do team movies with lesser known characters that the average cinema goers doesn’t care about. That Guardians of the Galaxy/ Suicide Squad approach doesn’t work for icons like Superman who should have at least one stand-alone film. James Gunn’s films will make money but not enough to save DC.

[@kyleschneider2957]

Keep acting like you know everything, just to be proven wrong

[@A1ml33y]

I'm tired of Seeing Batman & I don't want to see Superman Snap Necks _ Destroying Cities I hate Man of Steel

[@masterteacher101]

Gunn will fail.

[@Wolfhunter5607]

honestly i could see him failing like snyder did

[@joemish4540]

​@@Wolfhunter5607 Snyder didn't fail, those films made money,in fact everything up to Aquaman made money. Even the flop made 658 million. He didn't fail, the execs in charge did, with all the dumb decisions they made,while he was there and afterwards

[@Wolfhunter5607]

@@joemish4540 i’m sorry i meant they all failed is that better. i give blame to all of them i can’t act like snyder made great movies

[@AlvinWazHere]

Forgot one more thing. SHUT DC DOWN FOR GOOD. Clearly nobody cares about their Movies just shut it down. It’s embarrassing. Garbage of a franchise

[@johncampea]

Joker= Over $1 billion. "The Batman"= $800 million. People are still interested in DC. Just not DCEU.

[@thedorkydoodlesden]

Uh... couple lil dudes named Superman... and Batman... who are the most recognizable superheroes worldwide, might beg to differ.

[@Boaman5435TigerReticPythons]

DC Comics are equally as successful as marvel comic books. In terms of comic books DC has more iconic storyline. The Justice League inspired The Avengers in the creation of the comic books. Justice League movies can be just as successful as Avengers movies if the Justice League reboot movies are as good or better than Avengers films. I love DC and I think the DCEU has been subpar. However DC movies can be great and can be monumental. DC has great iconic characters such as Superman, Batman, Green Lantern The Flash.

[@Boaman5435TigerReticPythons]

I am extremely excited for Gunn's Superman Legacy film and The Green Lanterns on HBO MAX.

[@bricktwo5849]

@@Boaman5435TigerReticPythons On average marvel heroes/villains comics are more relatable and more interesting and the comic stories on average are just more better then dc. Marvel has been beating dc comics since the 1970's,so dc will never beat marvel.Marvel has the better characters then dc by the way. DC is not beating marvel in 2025 even with a superman dcu movie and elseworld batman part 2 movie. Phase 4 is it's clearly the best and most creative phase so far. It's made more money then phase 1 and 2 and the current dceu.