Final Thoughts On The DCEU Era

John and the crew discuss their thoughts on the DC Extended Universe (DCEU) which was a shared universe centered on a series of superhero films and a television series produced by DC Studios and distributed by Warner Bros. Pictures.
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[@SuntoryKick]

BvS was the wrong movie at the wrong time. I have no issue with bringing the Trinity together quickly but you don’t have Superman fight Batman, and the Death of Superman in their first movie together. You build up to those kinds of events.

[@thomasschmidt7649]

Exactly right. What was the rush!? Man of Steel and Wonder Woman were the only films that took their time and were arguably the best films.

[@juanluismendoza8655]

Exactly. In fact, they didn’t have to bring Doomsday in the film. That final battle with Doomsday was probably the worst part of the film because it didn’t fit with the rest of the film. The first two acts were more grounded and they decided to end with a big CGI battle that didn’t fit with the first two acts.

[@Iamlegend0824]

The movie shouldn't of came out smh. Should of made the Ben Affleck batman movie and a sequel to man of steel 2. Then batman v superman smh. Should of made a joker and harley Quinn movie after or before the suicide squad they were the best part of the suicide squad movie there scenes were great together smh

[@PaballoKobe-xh9ve]

Oh my god o didn't realise they did bvs and death of superman in the same dakn movie what where they thinking

[@timothywatters4774]

​Greed, impatients, lack of respect for the source material and fans. Studio heads only look at these movies as Cash Cows! 🤬

[@denniscook8487]

The minute they thought the death of Superman. Would be the perfect second film when we hadn't even gotten fully-fledged out characters. Or a proper build-up to that storyline... thats where they fumbled the ball for me. Man of Steel, Wonder Woman, and Zack Snyders Justice League were peak.

[@soulofanerd9364]

💯💯💯 Aquaman was cool and Gunn's Suicide Squad too but yes those 3 are the only high quality DCEU films

[@iambuhlockay8007]

BvS was the beginning of the end for the DCEU. Man of Steel was divisive, but nothing in that movie indicated the DCEU would be DOA. WB didn’t help by throwing random shit at the wall post Zack Snyder, and hoping something would stick.

[@soulofanerd9364]

Agreed and how ironic IS THAT 🤦🏽‍♂️😑

[@hungvu-xc3uf]

Killing superman in his second outing was a stupid creative choice. You took away death at that point

[@juanluismendoza8655]

I’m still baffled they did that. Also, why will you kill Superman when we already knew there was going to be a Justice League movie and there was NO WAY they will do the first ever Justice League movie without Superman?

[@jacksvendsgaard2270]

I think what it’ll be remembered is for its lack of a plan. A cautionary tale. I’m not saying every movie was bad, but it’s clear that they had conflicting ideas with their creatives and were overly reactionary to do hard “course corrections”. They should’ve sat down and made a plan and definitive guidelines for their universe

[@mjfilmmatics]

The legacy is simply that the DCEU tried to sprint before it could walk due to BvS.

[@soulofanerd9364]

💯💯

[@billymoore7182]

The DCEU had potential. But it's consistency was horribly done.

[@erickberryhill9055]

John's fixation of "fun" prevents his understanding of "mediocre" movies. The fact that he only thinks 2 DCU movies are bad is why his opinion is jaded.

[@cesaracosta5483]

I’m glad it’s over. It was a mess. Only 4 movies were legitimately good the rest were terrible. A serious lack of planning followed by bad creative choices with terrible casting choices. It’s amazing it lasted as long as it did.

[@sebagonzalezmusic]

Don’t forget reactionary/inconsistent choices😭😂

[@djwolfville290]

I'm also a big fan of the MOS movie and a big Superman fan over all. And I gotta question when John said tons of people didn't like the movie....but if you research home video releases. MOS sold more then most MCU movies

[@ChaseSchleich]

How's it not fair to compare it to the MCU? I think it's beyond fair. One company had the rights to all their IP from day one. One company had a multi-billion dollar company backing them from day one. One company has the most recognizable and most popular superheroes in the world. DC had every advantage. Yet they failed. It barely got off the launch pad before it all started crashing back down. The one thing that Marvel had that DC didn't was Kevin Feige. Someone with a vision, an idea that the studio allowed to see through. Maybe Snyder could have been that person, maybe not (he made some really stupid choices so who knows where things would have gone with him in the long term). WB is just a very badly run company, even today after getting bought out.

[@TheMaestroMizerous]

Justice League Mortal would have been done before Iron Man. DC could have done the MCU before Marvel...

[@ChaseSchleich]

@TheMaestroMizerous Which was canceled at the last second for basically no reason. The strike is reason they gave, but that only lasted a couple of months. There was honestly nothing stopping them from continuing on. They just..... didn't. Just be glad they didn't make any of the Superman films they had planned. Those were all awful sounding.

[@jayyyy5150]

Since we’re comparing…the first five DCEU movies made a lot more box office than the first five MCU films. The studio should’ve just left Snyder alone and let him finish his universe. After he left that’s when the movies started tanking

[@byronkennedy7203]

There's a reason no one talks about how great Man Of Steel was ..... because it wasn't.

[@purplespark8]

I do 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@aaronmauer7225]

I think Batman v Superman is where it went off the rails. This whole needing a directors cut that is 4 hours long to tell a good story is bs.

[@ML-yn9yu]

BvS story was fine, but way too much for one movie. There should have been a Batman movie inbetween which should have showed Batman hatred for Superman because of the events of MoS. Most of Lex's plotting pitting those two against each other should have been that movie. Clark should have been visiting Gotham to investigating Batman. THEN should have been BvS, WW intro could have remained the same. Could have had Batman and Superman official meet in this movie

[@aaronmauer7225]

@@ML-yn9yuI think the movie needing a movie prior to it shows how the movie was not good. Proper setup was not there and having major parts of the movie not in there unless you see the directors cut didn’t sit well with me

[@SoapNugget]

Nah, it was Josstice League that killed it. BvS disappointed many but it still made a lot of money, Suicide Squad made a lot of money but everyone hated it and then Josstice League was the final nail in the coffin and the DCEU has been running on fumes since then.

[@rya-nv4zc]

@@SoapNugget it made money because it was the beginning of the dceu , not Zack Snyder . Of course it will make money because it’s the first dc connected universe. But overall people didn’t like Zack’s take of dc

[@flipkonway2301]

They never let the characters build up they jumped right to a justice league way to fast..

[@byronkennedy7203]

I love Ray's Everyman opinion. John always talks about how great Cavill is as Superman but he never mentions Clark Kent. They were the exact same person.

[@coreyrubin5290]

I equally blame WB and Zack Snyder! The studio really should have invested in putting out more movies to set up the DCEU in a similar manner as the MCU did. In 4 years, the MCU started off with Iron Man & the Incredible Hulk in 2008 then finished Phase 1 in 2012 with the Avengers. The DCEU started off with Man of Steel in 2013 and closed out 2017 with the Justice League 4 years later. Four years is 4 years. The MCU did much more in its universe building in 4 years than the DCEU so we can't blame WB for wanting a big team up movie. We just have to fault them in how they did it. And, that's where I assign blame/fault on Zack Snyder b/c one he took too many liberties in trying the change Superman and Batman. First off, he should have known how controversial and divisive it would be on the fandom to have Superman and Batman kill. It was really unnecessary. He should have known that his version of Lex Luthor was going to be a failure too! Snyder failed to center the DCEU around Superman like the MCU centered around Iron Man. Henry Cavill's Clark/Superman had like only 40-41 lines in Batman V Superman in which he killed Superman off at the end, and we got under 30 minutes of screen time of Superman in the 4 hour Snyder version of the Justice League (10%-11%). It was probably even less in the theatrical release. Making things worst is that we got a dark and depressed Clark Kent/Superman the majority of when we did get to see him. That in my opinion is unacceptable the the main reason why the DCEU failed miserably. I hope new DCU learned their lesson & will not repeat those mistakes!

[@brandonkukumayeyi6048]

facts man

[@RevengeOfThaNerd]

H.C. was the perfect casting for Superman. Then you get the perfect Batman to piece up against H.C. and that cherry on top of Gal G. being WW. They had it all and just...

[@mannholloway]

I think BvS was the turning point I think Snyder never should have been hired for that film let alone Justice League. BvS shouldn't have even been a thing it should have been MoS2 with a totally different director.

[@valigeo96]

Exactly!!

[@rpvisual6192]

Lowkey this feels like a eulogy

[@sabreeemneely]

If it wasn't for the international market these movies would barely make over 100 million domestically.

[@dboiiw0nd3rr25]

So true

[@CoRektOh]

13:26 In the comics Jonathan Kent dies of a heart attack. Superman's father dies of an entirely mortal condition. Even the mighty Man of Steel could not save his father from a common heart attack. That's the way to do it. Having Pop Kent die of a tornado while his superpowered son, who can move at the speed of light, is just watching with his thumbs up his butt is just stupid.

[@WOLVERINE25TH]

WB tried to catch up to the MCU too fast without building up the fanbase and goodwill like the MCU had. WB also kept hemming and hawing on what direction they wanted to take, not allowing any vision to solidify for long before changing it again. A lot of uncertainty at the top, mixed with that top changing several times. Snyder was also the wrong man for the job, his disdain for the source material coming through loud and clear. He may have been a good fit for CERTAIN projects, but as the overall architect? No. All they had to do was look at what the DCAU did and kick things off with that as the blueprint. Simple. Easy. Done.

[@madspector]

Thats only true as far as executives nit the creatives , what Snyder was doing was nothing like what MCU was doing

[@ralphspradley7988]

@@madspectoryeah, it wasn’t that good.

[@BrontoSmilodon1]

I think another thing that also killed the DCEU was the release time of some of their movies. There should have been a Man of Steel Sequel (no batman) released in 2015 or 2016nd take advantage that they didn't have any of the relative baggage the MCU films were just starting to bring on.

[@NoOneStopsTheNate]

The Release the Snyder Cut and the release of said Snyder Cut was NEVER a bad thing AT ALL. Someone on the chat said it best: The DCEU will be remembered for when artists got rejected in favor of corporate interference, and fans fighting like hell to retain the original vision and rejecting the mindless and directionless nature. And no, Man of Steel was NEVER gonna make a billion dollars. I was gonna make Batman Begins money, which it did. If you think it failed to make a billion, you are part of the problem. Plus, BvS was GREAT. But if you take 30 minutes out and compromise the story, OF COURSE IT'S GONNA GET HURT. Who thinks it wouldn't? WB, thats who.

[@goodfella1401]

The writing for DC was on the wall the moment they announced Zack Snyder would write and direct Batman v Superman and also Justice League after the mixed reception Man of Steel got

[@yooniversal7770]

There’s a big elephant in the room: the Zack Snyder problem. Even if WB had entrusted him to do a MoS sequel/ Batfleck movie next and lay the ground work, you can’t deny his take on these DC characters has divided the fandom, something marvel hadn’t had an issue with in their heyday. Look at the audience consensus: a large number of audiences equally disliked Snyders DCEU movies as much as those that enjoyed them. You can’t kick off a cinematic universe by having roughly half of your target support you. Otherwise the DC movies would’ve been dead in the matter before they could even reach a Justice League movie. It’s this reason why I’m cautiously optimistic that James Gunn DC movies could right the DCEUs wrongs.

[@Hectrrod]

BVS made 166M opening with bad reviews... The interest was there. Suicide Squad made 133M opening a group of characters that nobody knew about. Wonder Woman opened in 90M range but it had great legs and made 400M domestic and 800M worldwide. Aquaman made 300M domestic and 1.1B worldwide. There was interest on the general audience even with BVS been bad or whatever so I would say that BVS began the killing of the DCEU but people came back for SS, WW and Aquaman. I would say the toneshift had a big impact on the movies.

[@michaelgonzalez3237]

I will always remember the DCEU as "What could have been?"

[@Heratar]

My heart still hasn’t let go of man of steel 2 😢

[@emoney6692]

I will never forget how Snyder fumbled BvS. A trio that have had so many stories told, roadmaps he could’ve followed, and an entire animated universe he could’ve pulled inspiration from - and he still botched it. That’s one you can’t blame on WB meddling, BvS was before they started doing all that and in fact it’s bad reception was the reason they started meddling. Ultimate edition was only a minor improvement. People say Henry Cavill never got a chance to truly shine in the role, but some forget the man who had all the opportunity to allow Henry to shine but never did, Zack Snyder.

[@joshhunt4146]

It was the franchise that was never meant to be a franchise. Man Of Steel was advertised as The Dark Knight trilogy but for Superman. That’s why they plastered Christopher Nolan’s name all over it! Man of Steel was meant to be a trilogy but after the success of the avengers they quickly scribbled down BvS instead of taking their time with the world building

[@jackoneill1336]

I loved Man of Steel. But a lot of people didn’t at that time. They really needed to do a Man of Steel 2 in order to solidify that character before trying to tackle an expanded universe

[@rodriguez1025]

It seems like a lot of the problems with DCEU can be summed up thusly: Disney/Marvel played the long game and WB didn’t want to wait that long.

[@jordanromesburg6819]

Implying Suicide Squad (2016) is better than Birds of Prey is a wild take lmao

[@Thewordisfunkadelic]

The only movies I didn’t care for was Birds of Prey and Wonder Woman 2. But I enjoyed every other movie.

[@josephwoods5925]

The DCEU was never on the rails. They were bad starting with Man of Steel... and, that was heartbreaking for me.

[@PeaceTea.]

I loved Man of Steel and my heart broke with BVS. Not because Superman died but because the film was a major disappointment. When I first saw the leaked image of Letos Joker I cried..because I knew that they wouldn't succeed. But to my shock ZSJL was amazing.

[@TheBlaskar]

DC was always too reactionary and lacked confidence. They made MoS and then waited for reception before doing anything afterwards. Then, they did everything in reverse. "Oh, you liked Man of Steel? Here, let's cast 12 heroes that you'll see very soon!" Universal Monsters got themselves into that same trap. DC followed up the first movie in the DCEU with fuckin Civil War and then the very next year, Justice League. And then, a string of standalone films that never lead to anything at all. They needed to just pick ANY direction without second-guessing themselves. They picked EVERY direction and changed courses after every movie. the DCEU started out directionless and it showed throughout the entire process. That's the legacy

[@soulofanerd9364]

💯💯💯 and then on top of that BvS just wasn't as good as it SHOULD HAVE BEEN

[@Reason4HipHop]

While there were 99 problems with the entire DCEU from tone to Synder, to how the order of the movies came out to even the disconnectedness of the film, I believe the foundational two issues are: 1 Leadership and 2 Lack of understanding these characters. 1) Everything rises and falls on leadership. Teams lose in sports but the first person they fire is the coach. Whoever was the decided voice should have had a vision and well thought out plan from the beginning. They should have determined the end of the franchise first and worked backwards on how to get there from the start. They needed maybe one type of Kevin Feige leader with a strong team around him to get this done. And 2, they should have understood these characters better. When they understand the main comic book motives, personalities, and purposes of these characters the story or stories would have presented themselves. Letting the idea of these characters as the majority of the fans know them best act out how they would normally act would have created interesting stories, dialogues, conversations, and the conflicts. The general audience doesn't know what these comic book characters do or who they are. They only know these characters from how they have been portrayed in live action, animated, and video game medias. Fans have only seen Batman kill people in Keaton's Batman, Bale's Batman, and even Batflecj. That's what they expect from Batman in the movies now, not knowing the general motivation of the character from the comic books has a well known and established rules that he doesn't kill and he hates guns.

[@josermaiz]

I feel like that James Gunn dceu will be like young justice

[@billymoore7182]

Man of Steel 2 would have focused on Clark working at the Daily Planet, while still being Superman at the same time. Man of Steel 2 would've dove deeper into the Superman character moving forward.

[@alfredborden5675]

Why didn't "rEaL dC fAnS" go see David F. Sandberg's Shazam! Fury of the Gods, Ángel Manuel Soto's Blue Beetle, & Andy Muschietti's The Flash? Why did "rEaL dC fAnS" punish those directors? I thought only Snyder cultists didn't support DC movies that don't involve Zack?

[@Dumauch]

If fun was the issue explain the fall off after Aquaman. The numbers show what fans were receptive to. It all fell off after Aquaman.

[@superheroes_nard]

exactly my point too.. well, they did got what they want after Aquaman so but that didn't work so why didn't they ask Snyder back when they're fun and humor didn't worked ?

[@danielm4098]

Disneys power over the media means they have a distinct advantage over the DCEU. Thankfully now people are paying less and less attention to critics.

[@onifrancis1566]

MCU was around before Disney bought them

[@lordzaboem]

Oh, the color pallet in Man of Steel was a make-or-break decision for me. I initially disliked the movie but could not put my finger on why. It had to be pointed out to me that the movie looked ugly because of a terrible gray filter. I thought, "oh yeah, that's why."

[@SuCKeRPunCH187]

it felt like a sci fi movie with superpowers not a superman film.

[@tceechia]

Overall, I agree with Robert.

[@VictoryArtz]

This Universe is a cautionary tale of how to make a Cinematic Universe with characters THAT EVERYONE KNOWS the wrong way, and it's sad how they fumbled the bag with these characters that everyone loves.

[@keithmcneish3190]

When I seen BVS….. I knew this was going to be jacked up. One Superman movie then they wanted their own “CIVIL WAR”…….after that they were always behind

[@DM-xt3rl]

Man of Steel was truly a great and underrated movie……..I think Batman v. Superman was just as good and the Snyder Cut of Justice League was also very good. That said having Man of Steel followed up by Batman v. Superman and Justice League didn’t make any sense. Unless they were planning to do a stand alone Batman movie as a precursor to a pan ultimate showdown with Darkside. Perhaps things quiet down considerably and we find all the characters getting back to “normal” life doing their own thing and somewhat growing apart. Man of Steel 2 dealing with Superman trying to find others of his kind. You conclude the stand alone Batman movie with Darkside planning another attack on earth leading into another huge Justice League Movie.

[@daniellee6080]

I guess I'm in the minority here, but I loved all of those movies. I'm not too big into comic lore but these movies really entertained me. I enjoyed many of them.

[@flaminggmonkeyss]

I think the difference between Avengers/JL and guardians, fantastic 4 etc. is they are not an actual "team" so to speak, they become one, but thats the thing is we have to see them become one, they are separate powerful characters that because of a threat so big, need to come together to take it out. But they are not with each other day in n day out like GOTG or fantastic 4. Thats why separate films establishing each character works better first, even if you did make a good movie, it might not have the same impact as seeing characters you already know and hopefully love come together, its whats special about the avengers movies, on top of being good.

[@daviddilks7018]

we got to see michael keaton in a flash movie. I think there is a chance that sometime down the road we could get a flash movie in the new dcu and see ben and henry appear in it.

[@MrOmabeast]

The failure of DCEU was their obsession with competing with Marvel and rushing to make an Avengers type movie without fleshing out the heroes with their own movies before hand. The whole franchise had this constant feeling of being rushed

[@htvlogs80]

The Flash was actually a good movie. I think it would have done well if it was release during the comic book movies hype year.

[@26bigfella]

It wasn't awful... Tons of potential but impatience and stupidity got in the way

[@wilmaso]

Man of steel and JL snydercut were some of the best superhero movies in the last 2 decades.

[@ermericcarolissen694]

There is no heart in either.

[@chazkhaira6621]

I do like Man Of Steel but my main problem is Pa Kents death. The protection of Clark’s existence had been made it didn’t need to be punctuated with aPa Kent sacrifice which Clark could have easily prevented. The original comic book and adapted in Superman the Movie death where Pa Kent dies of natural causes and Clark says ‘with all these powers and I still couldn’t save him’ not only grounded Superman it also showed the limits of his powers and that he is not a god.

[@AdamPaulStone]

Wait, did Robert just pitch WW the same way she was introduced the in movie? Lol He said “we just see her as Diana then we see her as WW later, with the music” That’s exactly what happened, just shoved into one film. Maybe that’s what he’s saying but it was funny hearing a pitch for the same thing that actually happened. 😂

[@OoBLUEPLANEToO]

Robert hit the nail on the head My thoughts exactly.

[@danieljamesfarquharson8421]

Great discussion

[@WillisWheeler]

the problem with DCEU was it could not hold up to the TIMMVERSE dc universe , that what people hold up the dc universe to , even more then the comics

[@ryanhau1073]

A part of me thinks The Flash going with the Clooney Ending was some kind of Meta knowledgment that the DCEU was a Failure

[@josearrocha3377]

Fuck a Batman movie. There should have been a Man of Steel 2 after Man of Steel. The problem with the DCEU was both greed and that Dawn of Martha was crap.

[@domymbd]

my top 5 is: 1- Zack Snyder's Justice League 2- Batman v Superman Ultimate Edition 3- Wonder Woman 4- Man of Steel 5- The Suicide Squad

[@lucky247365]

DCEU didn't have one single great movie. Such a shame. You have some decent movies like Wonder Woman, Shazam and The Suicide Squad. I just don't think Zack Snyder's visual style worked for this universe...dark, bleak and boring.

[@veganguy74]

Peacemaker is by far my favorite thing the DCEU has done. Wonder Woman is 2nd on my list, Man of Steel 3rd. The first Shazam was pretty fun.

[@worldwarrior1022]

I think WB, in their minds thought that Batman and Wonder Woman are A-List characters that giving them first each of their own solo movie before BvS would be a waste of time.

[@soulofanerd9364]

Good point. But I also think they wanted to fast track getting to a JL movie more so than make sure the movies being made would connect with people

[@proprgent]

Aquaman 2 was totally serviceable. The hate seems excessive

[@GotLost86]

Henry Cavill, Ben Affleck and Gal Gadot deserved better!

[@jrad410]

Despite what ppl say, i dont think “rushing” was the oroblem. We’ve seen films for decades with large ensembles introduced right off the bat. DC in animation/games/new 52 reboot did similar things. It was just the quakity if the films and really BVS/SS.

[@jrad410]

@@user-kj9oz7lb8s i mean what I said. We’ve seen plenty of franchises launch early with large ensemble cast. DC didnt need to do it Marvel’s way as they have shown in their own company history. You didnt need a bunch of indvidial films leading into xmen.

[@ThatGuy-jj3kz]

The neck snap was the first domino in the DCEU's downfall.

[@JJEE723]

The first 5 DCEU movies made way more box office than the first 5 MCU movies. It was a great start! The studio should’ve stopped meddling with Snyder’s movies and let him finish his universe. After Snyder left the dc movies were terrible and made no money

[@Hknasw]

Wow. Interesting fact

[@asura7915]

you forgot to mention that at the time dc had way more recognizable characters so their bar for success was a higher,

[@rya-nv4zc]

People know Batman and Superman more than iron and captain America at the time . It made money because it was the beginning of the dceu , not zack Snyder . People were already saying dc movies suck when zack was still in charge . Were you not on the internet back in 2016? People just didn’t like Zack’s take of dc . Zack Snyder didn’t make money , it was the beginning of the dceu and dc superheroes that made money. So if Zack were to continue it will eventually flop , because people didn’t like where it was going.

[@djwolfville290]

​@@rya-nv4zcyou're smoking krack. When Zacks JL was released on HBO Max it broke records. And those little dC fAnS that didn't like Zacks take of the DC characters are the same fans that are causing the last DC movies to flob. There is few of them...but LOUD AF

[@rya-nv4zc]

@@djwolfville290 broke what records? It wasn’t a hit on max , the biggest hit on max was Mortal Kombat. And James the suicide squad got higher viewership than ZSJL . Truth hurts sorry. I’m not going to sugarcoated for you just to make you feel better. 🤷‍♂️

[@Tizzo1982]

I always go back to: We live in a world where we had Superman and Black Widow die on screen, and I was more sad when Vlack Widow died. And Superman is my number 1 guy. My thing with why Warners rushed it is because they've wanted to kill Superman off on screen for years. I'd say almost right after they killed him in the Comics.

[@LazyEyeNZ]

Despite its ups and downs i love the DCEU and im grateful for the films we got. However im ready for a reboot. And in the meantime im gonna add Aquaman 2 to complete my DCEU blu ray collection.

[@Arlington20082]

I agree that BvS was trying to do too many things but I will say this.... have you seen cast so far for Superman Legacy..... isn't Gunn doing the same thing. Just with lesser known characters?

[@claudemoulton9210]

Problems started right off the start with Man of Steel. Excellent movie but as soon as Superman snapped Zod's neck all you could here on the internet was that Superman doesn't kill. This isn't my Superman, boo hoo. From that point the suits kept changing plans to try to keep the fickle fans happy.

[@magnubeido8832]

You have a point. I didn't like that scene either when I saw it but I could go along with the reasoning it was included. I remember reading an article online around that time where Christopher Nolan, who was one of the executive producers on MoS, brought this issue up with Snyder but ultimately Snyder got him to come around with including the scene. I can see why the film didn't resonate with people but I thought it wasn't a bad film overall. A little underappreciated, that scene excluded... which I can understand

[@claudemoulton9210]

@@magnubeido8832 This was a pivotal moment for Clark. He didn't want to kill Zod but wasn't given a choice. It effected him so deeply that he decided to always find another way to stop the bad guys. It was because of this moment that he became the Superman that doesn't kill.

[@Ishmaelgaynor]

I will look back it as an over criticized Film. And a master class of studios not sticking-by its talent!

[@y.k.2726]

I personally feel that Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and The Suicide Squad(James Gunn) were the best movies in the DCEU.

[@rufuslacue435]

BvS could've worked after Man Of Steel IF it was only about Superman and Batman then make the Dawn Of Justice part as a Justice League movie.

[@MrHam0117]

DCEU Movies: Man of Steel - flaws outweigh ambitions. Dawn of Justice - messy. Wonder Woman - ambitions outweigh flaws. Suicide Squad - bad. Justice League - insufferable. Aquaman - surprisingly okay. Shazam - better than bad. Birds of Prey - abhorrent. Snyder Cut - a lot of slow motion. Wonder Woman 2 - laughably inept. The Suicide Squad - genuinely entertaining. Black Adam - not good. Shazam 2 - not good, not bad. The Flash - dry-cleaned turd. Blue Beetle - better than it needed to be.

[@kevinhunt1202]

The only things you can compare the dceu to is she hulk , secret invasion, runaways and any show before iron man! Marvel got you excited to go to the theaters and stay after the credits! The dceu had u looking at your watch!

[@flifreddie]

Henry, Amy Adams, Ben, Jeremy Irons, Lawrence fishbourne, gal gadot etc...what a perfect selection of actors an WB effd it up. Snyder or no Snyder someone needs to pick up the pieces an give them a fair closing

[@EPICJ0HN]

Wonder Woman 1, Shazam 1, aquaman 1, suicide squad 2, and peacemaker were amazing, but it doesn’t matter how amazing he side characters are if u miss on the your big 3 characters

[@southblossom7805]

Ray! The movie you’re thinking of is The Twilight Zone movie from 1983. Zipper girl freaked me out too!

[@urbandaniel100]

lol you gotta love RBM talking about Starro haha

[@justin1871]

1.) Superman 2.) Batman 3.) Wonder Woman 4.) Cyborg 5.) Aquaman 6.) Flash ⭐️ ⭐️⭐️Justice League 1 ⭐️⭐️ 1.Suicide Squad, 2. Shazam, 3. Black Adam, 4. Blue Beatle 5. Flash 2 Paradox 6. Superman 2 with Sashe Calle, with appearance of Cyborg vs Brainiac 7. Batman & Suicide Squad vs Joker & Harley Quinn 8. Woman Woman 2 with introduction of the green lanterns

[@mogg34y]

Should have done Man Of Steel 2. Then tease Batman across the bay. Then do a affleck batman film 🎥 and intro Wonder Woman in that film. Then do a Wonder Woman film. Man Of Steel 3. Then a Afflecks Batman sequel. Then a team up. Audience is now invested!

[@PaballoKobe-xh9ve]

Then bvs the jl then apocolypse then shazam then aquaman then flash.

[@aquamich129]

Robert Meyer Burnett explanation is just absolutely exquisitly true, precise and objective. Nothing to say more. Such a waste. The truth is their best sucess, aquaman, is more a MCU kind of movie than DC! and the movie is great and it is not even a great DC character because in comics, aquaman is not that interesting (beside few runs..) Nolan's batman was dark so it is not a question of tone neither. there is something else which is more around having a movie bringing either fun or solid plot to please.

[@JoelJoel321]

I love Rob's T Shirt.

[@RJ_____________]

i liked most of DCEU but i'm happy it ended. i just hope that Gal Gadot will still being Wonder Woman, same way probabky Margott Robbie will still being Harley Quinn. i liked to hear you guys thoughts on this subject

[@sem5397]

Looking to the future ✊

[@thomasdumas1050]

I agree with a lot what was said, but I really feel social media and critics shared in the killing of these films also. And now that great Marvel legacy of films is going through a somewhat same process only their problem is trying to please the FAN BASE where DCEU stuck to their guns.

[@pjackson116]

I would have liked to see a man of steel 2 with ben affleck as bruce wayne showing up and then in a follow up movie him showing up as batman but a solo batman movie with diana prince may have worked better

[@ricobuttonpusher7061]

It went off the rails when they decided to make MOS the first movie by an artistic director

[@justified004]

Final thoughts on the DCEU: A ton of missed potential and outside interference.

[@PaballoKobe-xh9ve]

Trilogies make franchises

[@KG91GK]

I'm like John, I enjoyed majority of the movies in DCEU. LOVED MAN OF STEEL. LOVED ZSJL. Didn't like Harley Quinn or Wonder woman 2, but otherwise enjoyed the rest of the movies. Im someone who doesn't understand the hate for BVS either. There are so many great things in that movie, visually, musically, character wise.. It just eludes me.

[@codeghost7715]

I think you guys said it perfectly well. This balance between studio interference but also just flawed filmmaking as well. It’s not one or the other. Only the Snyder films were the really ambitious movies in this series in my opinion, and that’s because they were the only ones that could push the main narrative forward. But they were also so gloomy/ edgy. We didn’t necessarily need dorky Clark from the Reeves movies, or the super friends. But there are just genuinely bad ideas at play here. But also, these are definitely movies you can look back on and actually like. They are well choreographed with some amazing acting and potential. Though, it falls on its face as far as execution.

[@clamstrips]

I wish got Man of Steel 2 , Batman , and Wonder Woman before BVS .

[@PaballoKobe-xh9ve]

Dc needs to cut all that bs and focus on superman. Hes the core of the universe

[@nicelyfaithful]

Individual films like Wonder Woman, Shazam, Aquaman will continue to be beloved in my book down the road. I blame WB the same as I do Disney, I don't trust it.

[@DevDinish]

I enjoyed them especially the JL Snyder Cut