10 Underrated Post-Trane Tenor Players You Should Know About | bernie's bootlegs

[@egyptianminor]

Steve Grossman is another underrated bad-ass. Dave Liebman too.

[@max-db9pq]

Dave liebman is insane bruh

[@michaelhaack3298]

No idea why 9 out of these 10 are underrated, they are all huge names in Jazz.

[@ulcosi]

Steve Grosmann, The Master Musician

[@heyhawtie53]

Anybody know where the clip of Gary Thomas is from? I'd like to check out the full video

[@bobblues1158]

Glad you got Ralph Bowen!

[@zangsax]

Cool, Andrew White never gets any love and he is a genius.

[@imantss]

6:58 a bit sus

[@peedrowchan-man102]

Man these dudes is bad! Thanks for posting em because really I’ve missed most of them and they really should be heard good and plenty!!

[@KeisOhtsuka]

Pharaoh Sanders, Dave Liebman, and Melissa Aldana?

[@zangsax]

Such scary good players.

[@mikeschouten4732]

Gary Thomas is a bad bad man on that horn…

[@ryanzapanta7382]

bob malach

[@timmo491]

Secong guy passable imitation of Bob Berg well done. Actual Bob Berg later in the clip is pretty well credited not sure he needs to be on this list

[@benjaminweston3699]

@2:17 to@4:57 Nah, they're all just making it up as they go along!

[@eliveltonreis6186]

Thanks

[@alexlossenko9031]

6:40, 9:00

[@ireneasti208]

You're kidding, Grossman at #8.... He is the NUMBER 1 and BOB BERG #2 then Bill Pierce and the rest of your list...Sorry you lost me when you put Grossman. He has more talent then anyone on the list. Ask Joe Allard.....The stories are legendary... Ughhhhh

[@Apheresis]

wow as if it really matters in the long run. Like the people you never heard of- they were important human beings too. Fame is a grain of sand on the shores of 4ever

[@egyptianminor]

Gary Thomas is a true original, I'm glad you put him in the list , Senator - Gary is kinda like a player's player in the best sense of the word - Baltimore's Own.

[@TheRealG2024]

EgyptianMinor yes. He is,so way AHEAD of the rest. People have to catch UP to what he he doing much like TRANE when he showed up for the PLANET xenon

[@MrPburl]

None of these cats are underated for anyone paying attention to jazz over the last 25 -30 years! They are Masters and have been for a good while!

[@TonyAguirreJazz]

Ray Brown Trio with Ralph Moore, one of his best!

[@Bebopopotamus]

Bernie! Thank you so much for reminding me of Gary Thomas. Used to listen to him quite a bit and somehow I forgot about him over time. I love that Yusef influence in his tone.

[@TheRealG2024]

Bebopopotamus check out Billy Hart from Texas who Gary studied WITH. MONSTER Player with a HUGE pure TONE like pharaoh .

[@larsjacobsenmusic]

Geoff Bournes Billy Harper, I think you meant to say, IS a great and undersung tenor player, whose tone, in particular, seems to be an influence on Gary Thomas. Billy Hart, the drummer, also great, played with Herbie Hancock's Mwandishi, and many others.

[@roderickberry2508]

Billy Harper is the tenor player from Texas

[@egyptianminor]

Billy Pierce is a bad ass - I once heard a version of his for Monk's 'Epistrophy' on D.C. Public Radio circa 1994 that was killin but I was never able to find again.

[@thewarhenk]

Unbelievable lineup Bernie! I agree with all. Was well familiar with Walt Weiskopf, Bob Berg, and Bob Sheppard.

[@taylorfusion]

I'd pay good money to hear Bob Sheppard

[@easysax1]

I appreciate that you are a saxophone aficionado. I'm a pro sax player since 1960, Vietnam Veteran USN Unit Band Pacific Fleet 1959-1964

[@tayoung301]

This looks like my 80's/90's CD collection. I was waiting for Rick Margitza and Courtney Pine. :-)

[@ThomAvella]

who are you and what have you done with bernie

[@fakkmorradi]

lol

[@rillloudmother]

oh dear, oh my...

[@vpsaxman]

Man some people are dumb af.

[@jacksontru4346]

That Cadillac Club recording is so frickin tight

[@FCntertainr]

I met Ralph Moore in the 90s? Very cordial cool Brit and he let me play his Yamaha soprano they just gave him lol. He was with Freddie Hubbard! I know Tim Warfield from York, P.a. near Harrisburg where I grew up. He left Howard U architect program to play jazz tenor full time. Always liked his playing and with him. Both cats are cool brothers

[@thenthoggetsthajonse6059]

This is great stuff. Where did you find this video of Gary Thomas, and do you have the link to the original video?

[@michaeldean9338]

Gary Thomas! Wow!!

[@egyptianminor]

Bob Berg was one hell of a saxophone player. That tune is Chuck Mangione's 'Friday Night at the Cadillac Club'.

[@Dvishnu61]

Didn't Bob write that tune?

[@dylankubilus1422]

I’d just like to add that Brecker is also underrated, and no matter how many people love him, it will never be enough

[@henridelagardere4584]

Senator, these list vids of yours really make a difference, they're both informative and inspiring. Thank you!

[@jegherfabio]

YOU made a great document. I would also mention Doug Webb

[@tomizziomelli3060]

The man with a lot of faces...now U.S Senator Bernie Sanders again. No problem at all. I dig most of your jazz videos. Hope you uploaded your entire jazz records collection one at time.Get your hands on the shelves and choose the best ones you've always been doing. Show for KZbin that you are the guy (i may say Sir). Thanks.

[@egyptianminor]

That Rich Perry solo must be from the late 1970s....Looks like it's the Thad Jones - Mel Lewis Orchestra. I believe M-BASE originator, Altoist Steve Coleman was in the band at that time too.

[@jjh4902]

NOOO, whats with good ol' Bernie Sanders. He was an Institution in Jazz!! You can't just replace him like that. The people will not be accepting this!

[@vpsaxman]

Bring back Bernie!!!!

[@byronsigrano6849]

Antoine Roney, Louie Belogenis and Albert Beger

[@mikehawk2148]

Is it Bernie, is it Bird, I'll never know now

[@Sleptane]

Mike Hawk Bernie "Bird" Parker

[@matthewriggen4334]

Where's Mark Shim? He works with Vijay Iyer and he's kickass. I also think it's telling that a lot of the footage these 'modern' tenor players is shot on is on legacy media--tape, VHS, etc, which means it's ~20+ years old. Most of these videos were shot when Yugoslavia was a country and we called AIDS 'gay-related immunodeficiency disorder'. What definition of 'modern' are we using?

[@TheRealG2024]

Matthew Riggen for TRANE forward by definition would be modern

[@mattgros86]

Modern as a genre of jazz I believe

[@209zfinest4]

Ralph Moore!!

[@simonsays525]

Perry sounds damn close to Henderson.

[@mambojazz1]

Rich Perry is even playing the same mouthpiece as Joe Henderson here.

[@YiannisKassetas]

amazing video!!! greeting from Greece!!! [P.S. How about Rick Margitza , Courtney Pine , Eli Degibri on the list?

[@edge60able]

They're not on the list because everyone that plays tenor already knows them and because they're about 100/100 square jazzmen

[@YiannisKassetas]

so you mean that everybody knows Eli Degibri? wrong. Everybody knows Bob Berg though.Also explain to me what do you mean by 100% square jazzmen? Also have you seen Courtney Pine live?? All these guys have played different styles of jazz and music in general and they are killers!!!

[@drmcb61]

joel frahm

[@fatheadthedog]

heard Tony Dagradi?

[@pgonzo98]

thank you for the gary thomas add. i think hes wonderful..

[@wyndhleodumegwu253]

Billy Pierce, wasn't he ex-Art Blakey's bandsman, as well as mentor and instructor to Bransford and Wynton Marsalis? Ralph Moore was/is an excellent lyricist. Adore his growls. Tim Warfield is one of the young lions, from which pack James Carter has broken away. Cat can converse tirelessly - Tim. Bob Sheppard and that sound! Definitely a 'Trane alumnus... Walter is new to me. He has structure and improvisational organization. I adore and admire him. Steve Grossman is a known able-bodied virtuoso who, I agree, needs much more renown and acclaim. Bob Berg and Michael Brecker :'52 and '49 - my two main 'Coltranian Jazzicians (RIP) Ralph Bowen has been added to my list with his great sound, dexterity and 'Tranean embellishments. These dudes are all equally great - in their own right. Antoine Roney, tenor saxophone brother of Wallace Roney, trumpeter... Avery Teodresse(sp), Abraham Burton, Courtney Pine, Andy Sheppard... Mr. Bernie, thank you much.

[@jeanlouismoisset6164]

have you heard of max ionata ? by the way, i just loved the sax with herbie...bob something

[@Darrell1019]

My people, please check "Best Smooth Jazz with Ron Lucas", he's usually on Ytb on sundays!

[@allgems]

Nice list...here's two more......Joe Ford and Dino Govoni

[@fatheadthedog]

sensational posts! how bout one for bari players?

[@trarich1983]

Good Stuff!! Keep them coming, I'll watch haha!!

[@cerimccoy]

Gary Thomas!

[@nicolasfrancolino2461]

next one hope some alto players too!!

[@jazztranscriptionssax]

thank you for Gary Thomas and Rich Perry !! I didn't know about them.

[@jazztranscriptionssax]

thank you ! good)

[@andrealeone1821]

I miss you Bernie

[@TheShadowWolfz]

You forgot to put me on here man😂😂😂

[@TheRealG2024]

TheShadowWolfz me too.

[@Jazziant29]

Nice video! Food for thought: it would be nice to see more of a female representation in your videos in general, outside of "the top 10 female saxophonist..."

[@leobrahmachari6611]

This video roughly represents the number of top level female jazz musicians

[@allocca7]

Nah

[@TonyRosenberg]

Only Jazz what have you done to my man Bernie!?

[@PhilipLupercal]

Jamie Oehlers pls

[@JayVeMontgomery]

David Boykin of Chicago.

[@rasecbarravino3490]

Check out Dave Ellis, played with Charlie hunter

[@leandroquintella6349]

Rasec Barravino or John Ellis?

[@It.wasnt_me]

I haven't seen all of your videos so it may have already been covered, but could we get a top 10 including women sax players, e.g. Tia Fuller or Melissa Aldana. Thanks.

[@luisperalta6893]

Steve O'Gorman OR MAYBE TOP 10 WOMEN IN JAZZ!!!

[@PerezSoundMusic]

Older players: Sue Terry, Virginia Mayhew, Claire Daly Younger players: Sharel Cassity (totally shocked you wouldn't name her since you seem to know your stuff), Karolina Strassmeyer (saxophonist with the WDR Big Band.... There are quite a few...maybe none would be on your list of favorites, but plenty of great female players who are respected on the scene.

[@It.wasnt_me]

Luis Peralta well yes but it seems to be saxophone orientated here. There would be a lot of vocalists with a title like that.

[@luisperalta6893]

Steve O'Gorman Yes, excluding vocalists, I forgot.

[@mase4556]

bernie's bootlegs & more Anat cohen

[@jasworld4671]

Ben Solomon

[@afonsosilva9077]

Hi! Is this in a specific order or is it totally random? Great video btw.

[@afonsosilva9077]

Can't agree more! :)

[@poolandmusic]

Although the groove was wack, Bob Berg was the real deal!

[@jazzfan2222]

poolandmusic bob berg tha goat

[@wyndhleodumegwu253]

poolandmusic : If Michael Brecker were around, he would have been the first to agree with you. Bob Berg (RIP) was the man - he and Michael Brecker, alumni of the "John Coltrane University of The Fine Arts"

[@jugglerjoganoy]

What mouthpiece is Gary Thomas using?

[@williamarchibald4478]

A Strathon. The baffle is adjustable. Some players had trouble with them leaking. I was very surprised to see Mr Thomas using one on his 10M back in the day. I remember them from the mid 70s.

[@will955000]

What are the lists of the videos that these were taken from?

[@pigeonboy7696]

William Wang I know the Ralph Moore one is from J.J. Johnson's group playing Blue Bossa, I don't know about the others though.

[@jasonjagemann3995]

Can anyone post a link to that Gary Thomas set?

[@marcroigcebrian]

Grosstrane!steve grosstrane!

[@soltbitch]

whats gary thomas's tune?

[@soltbitch]

Thank you, Sir!

[@soltbitch]

@Jack Tripper I completely forgot.

[@PickeringDempsey]

Dave Leibman.

[@PaulHirsh]

emile parisien

[@brucebud]

This is actually a VERY good list USSBS! Just as I got to #9 I was thinking to myself, "what? no Ralph Bowen?" and then, #10 was Ralph, and I had to say, "well played, Bernie, well-played." Who did you leave out? Somewhere, in one of these lists should be tenor man Danny Walsh. He's been a killing somewhat underground cat in New York for many years: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpK5h3qpl61nkK8

[@rkomada88]

As a side note ---- if you play as many notes as you possibly can and ALWAYS shove in every possible substitution you can dream of then NO ONE will figure out that your stuff doesn't really fit the changes anyway. Also, isn't it amazing that all these songs, whatever they are, all sound the GD same?

[@egyptianminor]

Ralph Bowen sounds a lot like Michael Brecker on this solo...great, nevertheless.

[@PaddieFunk]

Why'd you change your name?

[@iJiggsy]

All of these are great players, but I wouldn't classify a single one of these tenor players as "modern", whether you're talking style or age. I mean, most of the recordings you chose were from the 80's and early 90's. I feel like if college kids today can't remember seeing these guys live, they aren't modern. Most of these players were in their prime before college aged students were even alive. I mean, Bob Berg died before kids in high school today were even born, so can this really be considered modern at all? I'm not hating on any of the artists you chose, I just feel like you shouldn't label them as "modern". They may have been modern, but that was a long long time ago.

[@iJiggsy]

I whole-heartedly agree. This is why you're our president, Bernie!!!

[@Bobeen2]

Like most of yours video, all these guys - the killers! And in my opinion - many of them have star status! Thank you for the video ! Not really Underratted

[@robinnicaise1978]

Agree! Bob Berg and Steve Grossman especially

[@jakemichaud9456]

You picked a pretty old video of Rich Perry, he sounds a lot different now!

[@jakemichaud9456]

Haha yeah.. Rich is one of my favorites though. Such a unique sound

[@peterforlano8620]

Lots of notes.....kind of a sameness to all of their playing.......long to hear a unique voice.

[@TheRealG2024]

Peter Forlano Gary Thomas.