10 WCW Stars Who FLOPPED In WWE

From Buff Bagwell to Lance Storm to Lex Luger, these are 10 WCW Stars That Flopped In WWE.
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[@wolvie667]

Ultimo Dragon was way underused.. Loved his entrance with the Pyro

[@GM-tw4el]

Yeah! People pretend they liked Dean Malenkos style now, because it's the "in" thing to be into small technical wrestlers, but people who are old af like me remember the only cruiserweights in wcw people gave a shit about were jericho, kidman, the Mexicans and Japanese wrestlers. Ultimo Dragon was my personal favourite along with La Parka. Dean Malenko was around 15 years too early. Today where people get hard for PWG dance routines they'd love him, but when he was around he was never entertaing and never would have been a draw back then even with a major push.

[@cakk26]

Ultimo Dragon and Shinsuke Nakamura... Team or Feud?

[@Iconhulk]

True

[@12345Yeah]

@@GM-tw4el he was like a smaller hybrid of Bret Hart and Chris Benoit

[@PopThieve]

Here's some potential video ideas that I don't see people really doing - 10 Best Raw episodes - 10 Best Smackdown episodes - 10 Best NXT Matches on TV - The 10 best matches of WCW You get the idea

[@holtender1029]

This has to happen

[@heisensaul5538]

10 WWE stars who flopped in WCW

[@7601jrod]

FOTN 10 best out of the arena promos would be good. Like the time Kane busted a kids crane machine with toys

[@Iconhulk]

Or Just the Wcw Matches...

[@caseyelliott8120]

This needs to happen! Instead of making the same videos over and over they need to do videos like that

[@michaellavender]

Buff bagwell is the definition of what the 90s looked like.

[@eyzzquare7811]

Vince on not giving WCW stars a chance: It's such good sh*t

[@Iconhulk]

Nah dumb business move.. Smh

[@JoeSmith-hv7oe]

Vince: I’ll pay you all 3 million dollars to sleep with me and stay quiet

[@allencollins5666]

​@@JoeSmith-hv7oeWCW And Their Wrestlers Didn't Play That. The Kwee Wee Character Was A Vince Russo Character

[@rogregg29445]

What went Wrong with Vader. Shawn Michaels backstage politics

[@GavinWoods]

Yep HBK was at his bitchin best (or worst) and the masterdon paid big time. It was one of the main reasons Cornette didn't have a good word to say about Shawn for a long time.

[@blockthewind8544]

The competition between then WWF and WCW was exactly what made that era so amazing and memorable.

[@TheNemisisx]

It's absolutely criminal what happened to DDP. It would be like if The Rock went to WCW only to have him get squashed by Sting then he tumbled down into the lower midcard losing to guys like Disco Inferno and La Parka.

[@williamshoven]

DDP was never as big as the Rock, so that comparison is asinine. Edge would be more comparable to DDP in popularity.

[@youtubemember1115]

@@williamshoven I think you get his point. Also you can't compare edge to ddp in 2001. DDP was one of WCW's top 5 stars. Edge isn't even top 10

[@williamshoven]

@@youtubemember1115 Edge held more major belts, than DDP and belts make you the man, while you have the belt.

[@cameo1013]

​@@youtubemember1115 2006 Edge > 2001 DDP

[@mattalan6618]

@@williamshoven yo face is ASSinine

[@disciple_316]

Dean Malenko was one of my favorites growing up. I still admire the man and have much respect for him. His skills in the ring were second to none.

[@JakeTVSalesman]

Vader was straight up bullied, who would have guessed it!

[@superrobz]

Jake TVSalesman Vader should have just knocked Shawn the fuck out, I know who my money would be on in a fight

[@dbone3356]

@@superrobz Who?

[@ItDoesntMatterReally]

@@superrobz Hopefully you'd split it with Vader after he would assuredly be released after Shawn politics him out of a job for daring to lay a hand on him.

[@superrobz]

D Bone Vader would have knocked Shawn flat out legitimately, but we all know what Michaels was like back then so he’d probably go cry and complain backstage

[@dbone3356]

@@superrobz There is no "maybe" about it. Of course Michaels would have cried about it. But I'm not so sure about Vader slapping him silly. Not saying Shawn was a tough guy who could hold his own in a fight... Just from what I've heard Vader was a super nice guy IRL...

[@thecodex0994]

Damn i miss chris kanyon such an great talent he left us to soon.

[@dbone3356]

Who better than Kanyon?

[@TheForeverRanger]

Kanyon was one of those guys that were way ahead of his time. Chris's style would be perfect today and would have likely been a top star for WWE or another company. RIP

[@rhyno82much]

He was that generations Jake The Snake. He had that charisma Jake had in the ring. If they had wanted to they could have given him so much heat and a great run.

[@acerimmer8338]

They treated Kanyon like such shit. Even his supposed friend, Undertaker, fucked him over both w/ that headshot and in the locker room.

[@rhyno82much]

Bottom line, Vince bought WCW so he could ruin it. He lined each wrestler up to fail that came over with the purchase. There just wasn't enough room for their wrestlers and WCW wrestlers. They got squashed.

[@Hunkzilla]

They could have easily divided all those talents into 3 seperate brands: Raw ,Smackdown and Velocity.

[@PeacefulSubmission]

"Laugh-a-Minute Lance" is the name of my new band.

[@matthewlane518]

Not gonna lie, thats a pretty good band name

[@MrJobelp]

Let me guess you’re a cover band because you steal everything?

[@mikeddh2018]

Adam- 4:36 - 4:44 The New Age Outlaws- "We'd like to have a word with you.

[@denjowim2359]

Ohhhh he didn't know?

[@zerorisker9161]

Also the New Day

[@ZOOTSUITBEATNICK1]

imo Good vid. Malenko is one of my all-time favorite wrestlers, not making it in WWF/E says more about the promotion than it does Malenko. Wyndham, Scorpio, Storm and Vader also deserved much better from WWF/E. Vader was a great monster. imo

[@mrvice308]

Vince has blown so much potential great superstars. When he bought wcw and wasted all its talent was when I STOPPED watching wrastlein

[@qpeocn]

Lol, they didn't flop. Vince didn't want push WCW superstars, so eventually they're just there to collect a paycheck.

[@jasonw2942]

If Vince didn't make you, he'll just bury you. Like look at DDP for one. One of the biggest stars in WCW, then pretty much turned into Undertakers personal punching bag

[@zionkraze9965]

So are we going to ignore the fact that Vince legit got pissed at Ulitimo Dragon for his ring style because he wasn't flippy?

[@clearskies]

Vince bought WCW to bury it.

[@Iconhulk]

Like an idiot.

[@Hunkzilla]

Its stupidity at its best. He could easily have doubled WWEs viewership figures if he didnt treat WCW talent like trash .

[@allencollins5666]

​@@HunkzillaI Haven't Seen A Dumber Stupider Businessman.

[@nolan2606]

Do 10 Wrestlers Who Never Wrestled In WWE That Should Be In The WWE Hall Of Fame

[@Sheeklouch151]

Word....they did Vader dirty

[@PlatinumRoseLady]

1st edition WWE Barry Windham - my first wrestling crush. Lex Luger - Proof that wrapping somebody in the US flag does not automatically turn you into Captain America.

[@tyle5362]

I’m surprised that Sting and/or Perry Saturn were not on this list!

[@scooobydoo27]

Sting never joined the company, so he never failed in the WWE.

[@Bejita666]

@@scooobydoo27 Sting joined wwe

[@gggamer3851]

@@Bejita666 he had his back broke by Seth rollings so.he never failed. He was injured and forced to retire.

[@Bejita666]

@@gggamer3851 i know

[@Lord_of_darkness978]

Sean O’Haire is missing.....

[@mikeddh2018]

Nah. You can only have ten and this list is legit. I'd swap DDP & Bagwell's positions, but I understand why they have it listed that way.

[@fillgollinsdergroarticheme8442]

... and the rest of the 2001 WCW buyout.

[@marcus813]

The way O'Haire was wasted never sat well with me. If Eric Bischoff was able to save WCW in 2000, he would've showcased O'Haire.

[@EssexAggiegrad2011]

@@marcus813 Or put in him in NWO number 20

[@ItDoesntMatterReally]

@@marcus813 I was big on O'Haire too and always heard his push was killed due to being associated with Piper while Roddy was at odds with WWE while still collecting a paycheck. Either way, considering his criminal record I'm sure Sean's push would've inevitably came to a screeching halt. Sad, such potential lost to inner demons.

[@k.j.hallingswest5231]

Vader held the WWF championship in the "boy meets world" universe.

[@GavinWoods]

Too Cold definitely should have been bigger in WWE. He lit up the ring in every other company. Another classic example the WWE not knowing what to do with a character they hadn't created.

[@slystallone4462]

The greatest wrestler in history (tied with taker) Sting was treated very very badly

[@slystallone4462]

In the ring undertaker is ofc the goat but sting had more storylines that made him great, but in the ring he also is the goat of tna and wcw

[@ricky-sanchez]

@@slystallone4462 Undertaker was a wwf good ole boy. To ruin Undertaker would simply be a bad move for vince. If the undertaker ever left wwe at anytime in history, the company would flop.

[@rhyno82much]

Sting had instant heat. Just as much as Austin or the Rock had late in their careers. It was a missed opportunity.

[@fillgollinsdergroarticheme8442]

If you have Storm, Kanyon, DDP and Bagwell in the list, you can name everybody from the 2001 buyout here.

[@dbone3356]

Really? I liked Above Average Mike Sanders as much as the next guy... But Idk if I'd call him a "star".

[@SeelkadoomandJokic00]

"Putting new in front of something doesn't necessarily make it better- In fact it never does" Newlegacyinc would disagree with you.

[@denjowim2359]

Road Dogg and Billy Gunn, wants to have a Talk with him

[@Grassyknolldallas]

WCW tried to elevate Buff but he just couldn’t get past mid card.

[@wilhelmfriedrichi3865]

Still to this day the biggest failure of wwe is the InVasion angle

[@TheFreakOnee]

No JOIN US at the beginning, Adam what are you on

[@dbone3356]

Anyone else pause the video and try to find a picture of Ultimo Dragon without a mask?

[@trollking99]

Me haha. Didn't find one.

[@jugghead82]

These WCW Stars didn't Flop WWE just didn't Push them they all were Great Talents

[@mjstory1976]

Except Bagwell

[@badvoodoo2097]

They didn’t flop you guys just don’t use the correct title They were buried by the politics in WWE that were protecting their top spots

[@joesantos5809]

And diamond Dallas page is on aew now

[@sw8467]

So is ur mom

[@jackwhitewater9440]

Wow your so edgy man

[@marcus813]

I always felt Vader's WWE career could've been so much more.

[@stevegallo8483]

A better title would be former WCW stars that Vince buried. If WWE didn't build the wrestler's career, Vince doesn't know how to use them properly, and I would be surprised if he wanted to do so.

[@namikstudios]

All three were established stars well before they went to the WWE. Ray was with WCW until the very end. He and all the rest of the cruiserweights have never had the same kind of exposure and push that they got on Nitro. Every single show they were featured prominently and had some of the best matches in the history of the industry. Vince and the WWE have always preferred bigger wrestlers and have favoured them over the smaller guys. Those three would never have even been given a chance to shine in the WWE had they not already been developed into stars by WCW.

[@Mr99RAT]

4:35- new day

[@mr.nobody3604]

I was wondering what happened to the two Adam's that narrate wrestling to my liking. Idk what happened with the other channel you guys had but I'm glad I found this channel💯

[@christophermallory3400]

Ultimo Dragon was my guy. Liger vs Dragon. 1 of the best matches ever. Kanyon Morbis did moves I never seen before. Dude was cool as hell

[@EssexAggiegrad2011]

How do you talk about Too Cold Scorpio and not mention his run in ECW?

[@raoulk35]

I wouldn't call Barry Windham underrated . All serious wrestling fans acknowledged his greatness .

[@wolvie667]

Have to correct Adam There is one tagteam that worked with new in the name... "New Age Outlaws"

[@aaronhurst4379]

OH, HE DIDN'T KNOW

[@StageRight123]

The New Day.

[@elgringo1058]

New world order

[@StageRight123]

@@elgringo1058 That's not a tag team, that's a stable.

[@rhyno82much]

I don't remember previous tag teams called Age Outlaws, World Order, or Day. So it's kind of different when they use "new" in their names.

[@RahubaatNeteru]

Damn... I actually liked Flash Funk

[@smoothst9303]

Me too

[@tehjboney4249]

Dean Malenko WrestleMania 16:Too Cool vs The Radicalz WrestleMania 17:Eddie Guerrero vs Perry Saturn vs Dean Malenko-WWF European Title Ultimo Dragon WrestleMania 20:Ultimo Dragon vs Rey Mysterio-WWE Cruiserweight Title Lex Luger WrestleMania 9:Lex Luger vs Tatanka WrestleMania 10:Lex Luger vs Bret Hart vs Yokozuna-WWF Title Vader WrestleMania 12:Vader vs Ultimate Warrior WrestleMania 13:Vader vs Mankind WrestleMania 14:Vader vs Goldust

[@donkey7577]

9:45 u forgot a feud w/ Raven .......10:18 u forgot a small feud w/ Heath Slater ....... 12:24 So Hugh Morris wasn't a thing Adam ?...... .

[@dbone3356]

Raven is on the same level as Goldburg? Or Hogan?

[@kevinjames8039]

How come "Wild man" Marc Mero aka Johnny B Badd (I loved his character in WCW) didn't make the list? His gimmick was lame. His career was underwhelming in WWE. He got pinned by his own wife Sable.

[@SeigiChoujin]

I've seen the '96 Royal Rumble. They misused Vader from the start. It took him six minutes to eliminate anyone, Yokozuna out powered him and, in fact, he and Yokozuna were sneak eliminated by HBK while Yokozuna had him over the ropes.

[@Kylersinjin]

Not going to mention that Vader lost his push because Shawn Michaels couldn't even handle his working punch?

[@DancingMike]

So except for Bagwell and possibly Luger (who could be a great heel if used properly), the story is: great wrestler goes to WWF, which doesn't care about wrestling, and can't get over because Vince doesn't give a damn about wrestling, only "sportz entertainment." That's why I stopped watching WWE almost a decade ago. I still watch wrestling, but don't miss whatever it is Hunter and Vince are doing.

[@Dragconus]

Some of the best matches I've ever watched were Chris Beniot VS Diamond Dallas Page . Epic matches .

[@Jmjm-wl7pd]

I may be one of a few who truly believes Kanyon was extremely underrated the guy came up with cooler looking moves in the 90s then most peoples finishing moves today most of all he did this on the fly

[@Tonyis4given]

Kanyon was impressive, he just never got the right push in WWE

[@Jmjm-wl7pd]

@@Tonyis4given yep he's another great star like a Sean o hare that could have been still one of my favorites from WCW especially his mortis persona

[@closrod8856]

Sting should’ve been on this list. WWE dropped the ball with him completely.

[@scooobydoo27]

The video is about wrestlers from WCW who joined WWE. Sting never joined WWE. He did a one-time cash grab match in 2015 at Night of Champions, but that’s it.

[@jeremywilliams5141]

Scott Steiner Sting Mike Awesome Ernest Miller Juventud Guerrera Perry Saturn

[@fightdelaw47]

Technically, Buff Bagwell was a flop in WCW too 😂😂😂

[@alanwayte432]

Technically your a flop at KFC drive thru, but they keep paying you minimum wage...

[@trollking99]

Nah, he was one of my faves.

[@icfwu9774]

Buff didn't Flopped. He was only there for 1 match they didn't really give him a chance ...

[@logankerr8090]

Scorpio DID return to WWE TV as Flash Funk. he was in that Raw 15th anniversary Battle Royal

[@logankerr8090]

also DDP's last WWE match was in the Memorial Battle Royal at Mania 32...

[@mikesbeard2058]

I'm amazed they never gave Buff a second chance.

[@flareinc7413]

Videos like this make me wanna watch WCW in its best days... Is there like a streaming service where one could watch WCW or do I have to just scour KZbin?

[@rhyno82much]

WWE television. It cost like 10 bucks a month I think, but I had it for a while because they have the whole archive of all the WCW Monday Nitros as well as going all the way back to old school NWA. It's really a good service for nostalgia.

[@JeremyBearimy913]

Vader was probably the single biggest casualty of The Kliq's backstage politicking, and yet nary a mention of Shawn Michaels' very blatant, documented undermining of the man. Now I like HBK as much as the next person, but what is the benefit of glossing over the sins of past, especially when even Shawn himself is so willing to cop to them? It's not like you guys have a working relationship with the man to protect. Sack up and drop the sugarcoating and the innuendos. Big fan of the channel, tough love...

[@shanehansen3705]

shouldn't the title be WCW stars who were buried by WWE out of spite

[@theexplainer2235]

You didn't mention Scott steiner and sting

[@Rusty2FTW]

I remembered Dean Malenko had a title match against Scotty 2 Hotty at Backlash 2000. That match almost stole the show, but of course, The Rock vs Triple H match with assistance by Stone Cold did.

[@stosh5082]

They mention 2 Cold Scorpio, and I think of another casualty of the Brawl For All: "Dr. Death" Steve Williams. Although I would say his run in Japan was more successful, he racked up a lot of credentials while in WCW. Then when he came to WWF in 1998......well, the less said, the better.

[@paulclinton6414]

Williams was old but had the image and voice to have had a great feud with Austin.

[@burnthetrolls5971]

I feel like the opening monologue might be still be relevant in 15 years after the Wednesday Night Wars

[@everetth-top4760]

Buff Bagwell will always be number 1 on my list of biggest busts.

[@mjstory1976]

Buff Bagwell was overrated. A low midcard at best

[@jimcooper1320]

"Liter" and the Hardy Boys, lol

[@elgringo1058]

What about perry saturn??? A love affair with a mop? Thats one way to put someone down hahaha

[@RagnarokMic]

#1 should be DDP, as he had the most potential, such a great worker, on the mic and in the ring, to be entirely wasted.

[@jacknealy97]

Top 10 sibling tag teams in wrestling history

[@KennyPowersUrOut]

They wanted buff and Booker Ts main event match to fail. It was in WWF territory they coulda waited a week and itd been wh3te WCW was born. And the match itself was good. The fans just was hardcore wwf loyalists which I was to to be fair.

[@mikeattard3543]

According to Vader, he went to WWE injured and needing surgery, got the surgery, and then got rushed back to the ring in weeks instead of the six months he needed to recover.

[@ultrustic]

So... Shawn Michael have nothing to do with killing Vader's status? I'm surprised Shane Douglas is not on this list either.

[@CB-ci5ys]

Shane was just a prick...too full of himself. Also a lot of the guys that have a beef with The Kliq is because the Kliq would tell you like it is. Also Shane gave Vince "or else I am leaving" to which Vince said "Sorry to hear that and you can leave if you want to." They left because they wanted to.

[@kagemaru259]

Wyndham was the very definition of underrated. His tenure in the Horsemen was my all time favorite.

[@jadegizmo]

My favorite tag-team of all time , The Public Enemy could of been on this list. They were well over with the fans in wcw.

[@Danimal1177]

In all fairness to Buff Bagwell, he wasn't much of a star even in WCW so the odds of him succeeding in WWF were very slim.

[@DZ-lo4vu]

Vade and DDP deserved the top. Ultimo Dragon and Dean Malenko deserved to win titles too. Lex Luger ruined by bad carachters. It's really bad what happened to them

[@newavengerxx4428]

It's strangely ironic that out of all the Radicalz, Dean Malenko was the one who lasted the longest in WWE. Eddie Guerrero died and got inducted into the Hall Of Fame, Chris Benoit died and was never spoken of again for obvious reason, and Perry Saturn seemed to vanish off the face of the Earth.

[@namikstudios]

Last time I remember seeing Saturn he was canoodling a mop... I guess that pretty much says it all, doesn't it 😂

[@PWNHUB]

Did you really claim Kanyon was a player in WCW ??? Did you watch WCW ??? He wasn't even a mid card...he wasnt even a good member of the flock.

[@Phutlikka]

You say 'Flopped' I'm hearing 'got fucked over out of spite'.

[@seanB009]

I would like to bring clarity to the reference “adding the word new” does not translate into success. He was speaking of adding the word “New” in front of an old gimmick that previously worked. Jim Cornet was smart enough to realize and use the word “original” Midnight Express. I do not think he was referring to word “New” on a fresh gimmick. It’s sad the poor writing, expensive gimmicks and selfish direction eventually took the WCW down.

[@themr_wilson]

Mac (from "Always Sunny") has always reminded me of Buff Bagwell

[@animejoe4041]

I think Vader's downfall began with that horrible politician Hogan coming to WCW and then accelerated in the WWE.

[@lionheart7019]

Early 90s WCW as great.

[@paulclinton6414]

Used to talk about early 90s WCW in gym class with everyone else.

[@adden2242]

too bad Vader died, im still a huge fan!!

[@sMASHsound]

dman, i loved dean malenko with chris benoit... they were great to watch.

[@CB-ci5ys]

Let's see 1) Kanyon was just given the US Title he didn't ever win it. Shane told Booker T to give him the title for being the Alliance MVP. 2) A lot of these guys didn't live up to their potential. As Vince said "I give opportunities." He hopes that the ppl he signs will "get over" it isn't on Vince it is the talent's job. 3) He being Vince didn't buy WCW to bury it. He bought it because he wanted to one day create a library for sone of the greatest matches ever seen. We wouldn't have War Games in NXT or Clash of The Champions or Starcade or the ability to learn about some of the greatest champions of the past. 4) Vader was extremely out of shape and injured throughout his run. J.R. tried to help him but Vader didn't want to listen. J.R. had seen what can happen with Andre and didn't want it to happen to Vader or Yokozuna. Did Shawn cause problems...hell yes. He was well an arrogant P.O.S. or as he said "a hand-full" Shawn had the weight of the company on his shoulders during that time also NWO ring a bell? Vader was a little arrogant and believed his own hype. Mr. Wonderful Paul Orndorff helped kinda cure that with a butt kicking while wearing shower shoes. Just saying.

[@namikstudios]

Pretending that Vince somehow bought WCW out of generosity to wrestling fans so we could have the honour of having to fork out cash to watch a show that WWE had no part in producing is stretching just a little. Streaming services weren't a thing back in 2001. Vince bought WCW to put it out of business so he could monopolize the industry. That's it. What's more, it was sold off for no good reason for far less than it was actually worth. WCW never failed, it was killed by TimeWarner when they sold it to Vince, who promptly buried it. Nitro in 2001 was still pulling ratings of over 2.0 - Raw today in 2022 is lucky if they get 0.5. Same with Dynamite on the very same networks WCW used to be on.

[@andrewberenson5717]

I think WWE did not know how to use Ultimo Dragon. Again, this should not be the wrestler's fault. As for Barry Windham, he had a successful run in WWF before he went to WCW. He and Mike Rotunda were the Tag champs and had a good run in the early 80's.

[@Vipers_Pit]

Vince to Vader: “welcome to WWF I have big plans for you” Vader: thangs Vince. HBK enter the Room. HBK to Vince: “yes but actually NO”

[@supernovamcr]

Vader needed surgery when he came to WWE, and after being promised the time off to heal and regain strength, was rushed back way before he was ready, he couldn’t perform to the same levels. His booking was appalling though and an insult to a man of his talent.

[@mjstory1976]

Maybe he would of been used better if he wasn't detained in Kuwait for losing his temper

[@Nepthu]

Storm was a contender in ECW and WCW. WWE failed him. If not for Stone Cold, he would be remembered as one of the greats. The "boring" storyline was meant to usher in personality changes. People forget he did a segment in Golddust makeup to get more personality and then was rumored to have a huge dick in a bunch of segments with Val Venis. Then the storyline and push was dropped abruptly. WWE didn't follow-through with the story they set up for him.

[@GM-tw4el]

Ok STOP! Dean Malenko was not over in wcw. People didn't care about technical hipster wrestling like they do today. People only cared about jericho, the Mexicans and Japanese in wcw cruiserweight division. He was boring AF to watch. I'm not saying people can't appreciate it now, but don't pretend that in the Monday night wars/attitude era, that people cared about Dean Malenkos wrestling, because they didn't.

[@miroslavtomic7038]

It is well known fact that it was DDP who was originally booked to feud with The Rock during Invasion as his WCW character was much closer to The Rock's then Booker T's who ended up doing it. For God knows what rason, they went with Booker T and ruined a potentially perfect feud. Only things The Rock and DDP ever had in common is SIMILAR but NOT THE SAME finishing move.

[@themr_wilson]

As we know, WWE was squashing WCW wrestlers after acquiring them. They sure took off with the Diamond Cutter, didn't they?

[@jarieldiccerson173]

whats the baccground music

[@ApexZer0]

Always had sympathy for bagwell

[@nigel_saxon]

You can thank Shawn Michaels for Vader failing in WWE

[@aaronknowles5359]

Big Poppa Pump was so underwhelming he did not even make this list.

[@mikebottomlesspitdunham2954]

Actually, Eric lowballed Lex by offering him less than Vince was paying him, then Lex took it so Eric did what he could with Lex(and suceeded I'd say)