10 WORST Capstone Skills in Borderlands History

These skill tree capstone are just TERRIBLE
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[@Derchlands]

I feel like Hades shakles could of also made the list but other than that I highly agree with it. For best in no order 1. Leadership is one of my all time favorite capstone's because it's simple but does so much. 2. Ruin for auto slag and you are phaselocking anyway 3. One for Each of Ya 4 to 6, All 3 of zeros 7. Bloodsplosion 8. Avatar 9. Death follows close 10. Short fuse

[@adandygoon]

@derchlands dude your skill tree videos is some of my favorite borderlands videos on KZbin

[@gabrielhathaway4234]

Yooo! Derch, I love your videos! When farming xp or a rare item on bl2 I love listening to your character breakdowns or good, bad, and ugly videos

[@johnbonham1139]

That's weird! I just started watching a derch video yesterday showcasing doppelganger skills, welcome back to BL's, I remember you being my plug for bl2 knowledge back in the hayday 🎉🎉

[@kvetoslavzeleny1764]

I don't see Hades Shackles as Capstone Worthy, but it does all the stuff for Maelstorm stacks. Only if the Nova scaled from Grenades damage did better.

[@Derchlands]

@@kvetoslavzeleny1764 it's not terrible but it's also a weak part of the tree you don't really use

[@acey6991]

Having a class mod that specs into a capstone is wild.

[@Junkmeister]

Also I did go all spec into purple tree once. Holy shit fl4k couldn’t kill shit. The badass loader pet on the other hand melted everything

[@stephenlewis6922]

I wish they did this with legendary class mods. Just one point in another capstone. It would be silly.

[@petermiller4953]

Having Zane's Clone getting a clone of the one gun you had when you summoned it is probably if not the best capstone, then definitely ONE of the best!

[@lastwymsi]

I always wondered if Axton's nuke was supposed to deal explosive damage & set people on fire like a nuclear flash would do.

[@TomCat2563]

I use the nuke to stun enemies.

[@bradschrader2805]

I use the purple tree for flak so my pet gets a copy of my shield. A nova shield is fun for this.

[@Aderon]

Fl4k's purple tree focusing on survivability just seems anathema to Fl4k's expertise in being both a glass cannon alongside aggro management; Their pet can already revive them partway through the green tree for a single point, so more survivability just feels redundant like with Running on Fumes, since Fl4k doesn't really need the extra survivability, their pet is hearty enough that when holding aggro, Fl4k can already be ignored by enemies.

[@BearWith_You]

Yeah, and you gotta pay for the purple trees xD. Honestly it wouldn't be that bad if it was base stuff but they made us pay for that crap

[@captainspaulding5963]

​@@BearWith_You and BL2 made you pay for literally EVERYTHING aside from the Lilith DLC..... it's almost like companies need money to keep making games, or something like that

[@BearWith_You]

@@captainspaulding5963 Its like maybe if you're gonna pay for something extra ontop of the cake it should be gold not shit

[@CptnWolfe]

I had a feeling Axton's Nuke would've been here, it's actually taken my brother as Krieg a few times

[@morganwillow5301]

Axtons “double up” skill is my fav capstone, gives him a second barrel on his turret and both shoot slag, its an absolute game changer for UVHM, especially when combined with “mag lock”and “longbow turret” makes you able to slag enemies from any angle without swapping weapons, you Can even combine it with the “gemeni” capstone in his survival tree for two turrets.

[@captainspaulding5963]

Laughs in "give pet a copy of your shield"..... granted, that doesn't make up for the rest of the tree being pretty terrible, but if you set it up correctly, purple tree can do some serious work with Fl4k

[@Awwscrewit]

Many Must Fall is soooo much fun in a first playthrough but then falls off a cliff at TVH and higher. Death Bl0ss0m will always be a favorite thanks to marking multiple enemies and being a source of slag in UVH.

[@pumaplays6143]

I’d have to say Athena’s Wrath of the Goddess Capstone of her Green tree was pretty fun to use while also being useful for mobbing.

[@MavisXe]

Hear me out but the Phoenix capstone for Lilith is insane. With a Specialist Class Mod and a Fire Relic, you walk next to enemies and they die. Playing with my mate in the General Knoxx DLC, I managed to clear out 90% of the enemies, including the cars just by Phasewalking. Badass enemies didn’t last 2 seconds. Watching the health bars literally disappear in seconds by simply standing next to them is possibly the most fun thing I’ve experienced in Borderlands.

[@alphtheor.879]

Nisha's "one for each of ya" and "the unforgiven" for best cap skills, I have an MC'ing FL4K and it's really sad even with an MC'ing class mod, grenade, blue cap skill and the purple tree action skill MC augment.

[@DG-ez6of]

The 'we ran out of ideas, hot garbage' capstones

[@0rion-1665]

7:08 axton doesn’t actually have any explosive damage increases, just grenade damage and rocket launcher damage bonuses

[@lonelywolf8734]

If you don't play on op. 10, with claws with melee Gaige build is pretty good for mobbing.

[@nimbus7727]

As a Krieg player, Bloodsplosion is easily a top 10 capstone. That says a lot, considering RtB makes melee astonishingly powerful at OP10. Bloodsplosion just has it all: It can work with melee builds! It can work with gun builds! It can work with fire builds! It can work with hybrid builds! IT CAN ONE SHOT RAID BOSSES!!! (Pete is easy, but I’ve seen people bloodsplode Vora, Dragons, and maybe even Vermi).

[@Ki11ersix]

Krieg has two of the all time best capstones.

[@Donanzador]

Can one shot and can one shot reliably are two different things. Pyro Pete sure, but Vora and Dragons are way more RNG dependent cause they move so much.

[@nimbus7727]

That’s fair. But he CAN do it, and it’s dope.

[@TheRadarplay]

Moze's short fuse in the demolition woman tree, also Nisha's capstone that let's her duel wield whatever pistol she's already using.

[@rositchi5889]

This.

[@Leviathis_Krade]

nisha with double luck cannon is pretty fun

[@Dutch_is_a_Weird_Language]

Before they made the great and logical decision to swap its position with Death Follows Close, Zane's "Seein' Red" was one of the best capstones in the game. It was the whole reason you worked your way down his Blue skill tree in the early BL3 days as it meant a huge power spike for him (at least until the "Seein' Dead" class mod was introduced).

[@KyuubiDragon4]

Hmm, ten best capstones... I'd have to say, in no particular order: Megavore (20% crit chance on every shot no matter where it hits is insanely good, especially for the glass cannon that is FL4K) Double Barrel (giving Zane's clone a dupe of your gun is just kinda broken when the clone doesn't need to reload) Wrath of the Goddess (okay maybe not the best capstone in terms of function but playing Athena like she's Captain America is just so much fun) Promote the Ranks (similar to Double Barrel, having Jack clones is already a godsend and having a badass clone is even moreso) One For Each of Ya (giving Nisha a second copy of her pistol basically makes her a pseudo-Salvador, and we all know how broken Salvador could be) Come At Me Bro (a health restore and damage reduction is already fantastic on its own, and the taunt for drawing aggro is always going to be a handy trick in co-op. Plus Salvador flips the bird to activate it and that's hilarious) No Kill Like Overkill (the excess damage added to Salvador's weapons just creates a snowball effect of stacking excess damage to bowl over everything in Sal's way) Double Up (Axton getting a second turret is nice, but the turrets now dealing Slag damage makes this skill invaluable simply for allowing Axton to slag enemies without having to swap weapons) Ruin (again, allowing a BL2 character to inflict slag without swapping weapons is golden. This could have also been Scorn, but I went with Ruin since I feel Maya is less likely to be throwing around a lot of melee attacks, though mayhaps it's the better skill for bosses) Death Bl0ss0m (being able to apply Zer0's death mark from range is incredibly useful in all contexts, especially since death mark doesn't just apply to Zero's damage but also his allies') And as an honorable mention I'd like to point towards Lilith's Phoenix from BL1, since while most capstones are just meh in that game, Phoenix's double whammy of not consuming ammo and causing fire around Lilith is pretty potent. Phase Strike is also pretty good from the sheer damage multiplier (800%!!!), but a bit more situational since it's melee-out-of-phasewalk only.

[@Ki11ersix]

Good answers

[@MagnificentErgo]

Dude, Dominace is very useful when heavy mobbing. It's basically an on effect Red Fang taunt centered on the affected enemy. You trigger it constantly with aimed shot crits. Works the same as Mesmer. It's awesome for crowd control and creating breathing room on Fade Away cooldowns. Very useful for Maliwan Takedown and any place with mob density like Slaughter Shaft, etc.

[@kcollier2192]

I ran a ThoughtLock buiid with Maya and loved it, reason being I usually killed the Toughtlocked enemy first, let the process transfer to another enemy and then the next. Depending on how many enemy were around I could keep a crowd off of me and at a distance as well. As for the best capstone, Krieg's release the Beast, Zero's Critical Ascension and Salvador's No Kill Like Overkill are all great IMO.

[@westonflame9702]

Maya’s Ruin capstone is probably one of my favorites, that, and I just really like having Blight Phoenix. Zane’s Sunny D capstone is also pretty good.

[@rngsmiles3979]

My absolute favorite capstone has got to be bloodsplosion. It's probably my all time favorite skill in borderlands and the sound of a bloodsplosion chain breaking the audio makes my brain happy. In general I think Kreig has a bunch of useful capstones, they all fit well and feel pretty impactful. Though his fireball capstone is not flashy, it is very good for maintaining flame stacks if you are doing other elemental damage types. such as running through a loader area with a corrosive kitten.

[@BearWith_You]

I remember when Zane's capstone got swapped. I hada redo my entire build to get it back. Thats how you know it was a good skill worthy of being a capstone

[@biohazard724]

Spec'ing into splash damage will keep Iron Bear up _significantly_ longer than the purple capstone

[@attmay82]

Before Mayhem existed I would have said Amara green capstone. Turning the entire map into a giant game of pinball where the ball is actually a wrecking ball is an insane amount of fun. It was the most fun I had before Spirit Driver existed

[@Lavender_Fox]

Even as someone who hasn't played BL2 in forever, i can tell you that critical ascension and bloodsplosion are making the best list

[@Ki11ersix]

Yep

[@TomCat2563]

Yep

[@Ki11ersix]

Yep

[@tannedbalony]

Yep

[@Somethingclever11111]

Bloodsplosion isn't even that good. It's just an AoE attack with immense versatility and damage potential that stacks with just about every Kreig build and can humilate the Pyro Pete raid boss. Complete trash

[@awesauce1]

Jack’s leadership skill just synergies so well that I feel like it should be in the top 5 best cap stones

[@Dayyyjoey26]

Fl4k's megavore, Moze's short fuse, and Maya's ruin are my three favorites

[@coop3965]

Release the beast will always be a number 1 honest choice. It feels like a capstone and completely changes the dynamic and power level of krieg so easily. Bloodsplosion being a close second, but both are just so unbelievably overpowered for different reasons

[@Mrcheeseman200]

Zer0’s Critical ascension and Nisha’s One For Each of Ya are super OP

[@travispoole96]

@@Mrcheeseman200 is sad that the dual wield glitch got patched out for Nisha :( but still your so right

[@dorianthegray]

The pre sequel had a huge issue with the co-op skills, with Aurelia being the worst (in my opinion). I didn't pick it up until there was basically no one to co-op with so that skill tree was a write-off from day one.

[@Akiro367]

I remember The forbidden Hyperion flack playthrough the purple skill tree was a curse

[@ravenlinosoriano2867]

Best Capstone Skill for me would probably be Zane's Doubled Barrel and Moze's Forge in BL3. Life saving Capstones

[@HiImMatt12]

Best Capstones: Double up and Gemini for Axton, Bloosplosion and Release the Beast for Krieg, Ruin for Maya, Megavore for FL4K, Short Fuse for Moze, and Double Barrel for Zane

[@travispoole96]

Moses purple tree capstone is actually really good The fact that I could run from the start of the guardian takedown to halfway through without iron bear running out time is ridiculous

[@Ki11ersix]

Yeah but you can literally get Iron Bear back instantly most of the time as is.

[@travispoole96]

​@@Ki11ersix I gotcha I gotcha 😊 I was running full iron bear mode that's why I mentioned it It was funny to see iron bear decimate everything 😂 I remember day 1 it was used as FFYL saver now it's useful

[@SargeWolf010]

Ok the Psyco bits funny 😂

[@lonewolffang]

Flak'a skill can be easily replaced with the Mesmer grenade, and Maya's is pointless. I know because I tried it and immediately reset my skills.

[@Jake-rv8td]

I only use Fl4k's purple tree to make my Nurse Fl4k and I still don't go all the way to the capstone. My pet gets all the kills with this build on M11 while I use gear you would almost certainly never use, and it is hilarious. (Also, Teammates like me). Action Skill: Gamma Burst with Atomic Aroma and Endurance Pet: Horned Skag Green: 5 Self Repairing System = 30% Max Health/1.5% Health Regen 3 Sic Em = 30% Attack Command Dmg/30% Attack Command CD 4 Eager to Impress = 2S Action Skill CD on Pet Kill and auto reset of Attack Command 3 All My BFFs = Share half my health regen with allies and all regen with Pet (note all my health regen as we go). 3 Turn Tail and Run = 0.9% Health regen/21% Dmg Red while moving and some while standing-still bonuses I don't care about. 3 Fast and the Furryous = While >50% Health; 30% Pet Dmg/10% Move Spd. Blue: 5 Ferocity = 50% Pet Dmg 3 Persistent Hunter = 45% Action Skill Duration 5 Go for the Eyes = 75% Pet Crit Dmg and 1st Melee attack by pet on each enemy is guaranteed crit. (Horned Skag attack command is a melee atk). 5 Who Rescued Who = 2% Health Regen for 5 sec after pet deals dmg (combine with He Bites for constant Health Regen). 1 He Bites = Pet reflects 5% dmg (Only picked to proc Who Rescued Who) 1 Psycho Head on a Stick = 12% Pet move spd/20% Pet dmg kill skill 1 Mutated Defenses = Pet dropping to critical health level causes it to gain 30% dmg res/6.7% Health Regen for 6 sec. 3 Pack Tactics = 15% Max Health for Fl4k and Pet/21% Dmg for Fl4k and Pet Orange: Nothing. SHOCKING I know. Purple: 5 Gotta Go Fast = 35% Pet Dmg/40% Pet Move spd (with Psycho Head, this lets the Horned Skag zip around and catch enemies easily) 5 Agility Training = 40% Reload Speed for Fl4k and Pet (Just to move down tree but still useful). 1 Combat Veterinarian = 30% of dmg dealt goes to healing for Pet. 3 Throat Ripper = 15% for Pet to Crit (Megavore for Pet). 1 Take This = Pet Gets Copy of Fl4k's Shield (Absolutely Critical for the Build) 5 Monkey Do = Pet gets 70% more crit dmg, among other stuff (combined with Throat Ripper and Go For the Eyes deals a lot of dmg) 5 Not Even a Challenge = Stacking 35% Skill Duration and Cooldown for each Pet kill, 10 Stacks max (Always have Gamma Burst up) Notice absolutely no Capstones needed. Gear: The Res (you heard me), Hive, EM-P5 (For Running Fast), and Guardian 4N631. (Gamma Burst Active Rad Dmg Anoint on everything) King Arthur's Holy Grail (I promise, I'm still not joking) = 30% Max Health/3% Health Regen AND Reviving an Ally gives both Fl4k and the Ally 50% Wpn Dmg/33% Move Spd/AND 10% Health Regen for a full minute. (Pet counts as an ally if you revive it, which you can do with The Res BTW, plus your teammates if you want to). Red Fang so Enemies ignore me. Grenade doesn't matter, I use The Piss grenade to soften up enemies for the Pet. Brawler Ward Shield = 2% Health Regen Shielded/4% Health Regen un-shielded/300% Roid Dmg on Melee while broken (Remember, the pet is also wearing this shield, and the Horned Skag is almost exclusively Melee; and his Shield will always be depleted so 300% more Pet dmg that stacks with other dmg from the skill trees and scales with Mayhem) On average, my Fl4k has 9.4% Max Health Regen/sec with 75% more Max Health (up to 21.4% with shield depleted and Holy Grail active; and this doesn't include passive roles on class mod). This is shared with Pet and Allies keeping both alive fairly well. If anyone goes down, I shoot with the Res and activate Holy Grail. The Pet is near immortal even with Gamma Burst down because of all the shared health regen, and the only time I ever see him go down is in Mayhem Water when Gamma Burst is over, but I just shoot Pet with The Res and watch it zoom around with the Move Spd from the Holy Grail. You kill things by using the Attack Command for the Horned Skag. It is a Melee Charge so it auto crits from Go For The Eyes (If it is the first attack on that enemy) and the build has massive pet dmg bonuses and the 300% from the Brawler Ward Shield; and the dmg bonus from holding the Guardian 4N631. The Attack Command auto resets its cooldown if Pet kills an enemy, so you can spam it. On the occasions that the Horned Skag can't hit the enemies, switch to War Loader with Messy Breakup Shield (or fire an 86% amped Hive shot from the other effect of Monkey Do, then switch to the 4N631 before the Hive ball starts firing).

[@turtlesandwich77]

For best capstone, Zer0's Many Must Fall is definitely up there. It just cements his whole ninja theme.

[@Ki11ersix]

Love MMF with a Rapier

[@patrickgrace5980]

Bloodsplosion is definitely my favourite capstone. Some other capstone skills might be more game changing depending on context, but the immediate impact on your playthrough once you click that skill and for the sheer fun of seeing a chain reaction of explosions that clears an entire room? Bloodsplosion all the way!

[@danmorgan6097]

Thoughtlock is additional 4 sec. Total 14.5 if spec'd into suspension.

[@Ki11ersix]

Yeah. Still sucks

[@Ch4osKing66]

Zer0's Death Bl0ssum skill is great but combine it with Death Mark and it's god tier.

[@jamessatherley2022]

I definitely think Bore for Zero should have been a capstone because it's just so O.P

[@doltrennthompson215]

Hhmm kinda like maya thought lock the basic flak maya skill 🤔

[@Eyebrowguy420]

I Actually Thought Axtons Nuke Skill Was Good Despite its lack of Explosive Damages Due To Its Knock Back. It Was Really Good For Mobbing

[@matthewmcdaniel875]

Nisha's Thunder Crackdown has very little value considering her others (One For Each of Ya and Unforgiven) are among the best of anyone.

[@DragonWizard1991]

While he's not my favorite character to play in the Pre-Sequel, I have to shoutout The Doppelganger's Leadership capstone. Giving him all of his kill skills on a controllable trigger was absolutely phenomenal.

[@therealdude707]

12) double up. 11) Release the beast. 10) the unforgiven 9) no kill like over kill. 8) avatar 7) forge 6) bloodsplosion 5) Ruin 4) death bloosom 3) death follows close 2) critical ascension. 1) short fuse

[@Cevsy]

I hope my girl Gaige doesn’t show up and get done dirty with the anarchy claw capstone she doesn’t deserve it

[@Ki11ersix]

Welp

[@musichowl]

Moze: Short fuse & Fl4k: Megavore

[@gigacanno750]

Thoughtlick’s only use is to force Bulwark out of his rock sooner

[@Ki11ersix]

True haha

[@YRhandlesathing]

My faves in no particular order from Borderlands 2, 3 and Pre-Sequel Kriegs bloodsplosion and release the beast. Nishas one for each of ya. Jacks leadership. Flaks megavore. Mozes short fuze. Axtons double up.

[@rositchi5889]

Double casting on Amara is top tier for easy stacks. And the one from the red tree.

[@D4rkn355Inf3rno]

Tbf Amara has a fun build when you use her purple tree capstone with a melee build, a face puncher, a white elephant, and an ice breaker relic. Trigger with 1 kill and your face puncher shoots seemingly sticky ice grenades. And i think also in the purple tree theres a skill that allows melee attacks to cause aoe explosions so every trigger pull on a face puncher makes it look like blue fireworks with many pellets worth of ice novas lol.

[@ZUMBIS76]

No Kill Like Overkill, Bloodsplosion, Critical Ascensi0n and Double Barrel

[@clintbeastwood5116]

Moze's Short Fuse capstone is just unfair. "Hey! You know how Moze does really high damage and has infinite ammo? Well, what if we give her even more damage and make it so all of her shots have a chance to cause splash damage?"

[@tehfoxxy9630]

Amara's 4th skill tree capstone works with her melee build in general. Especially if you're building for Cryo and the whole Rainbow damage burst.

[@doltrennthompson215]

Now moze to axton shield turrets bubbles due to iron bear well reminds of on brawl Stars Nita bear 🐻

[@ijudgetakes]

I would argue bloodsposion and release the beast are the two best capstones in borderlands history.

[@cosmic12321]

With Claws would have been much better if it was 2% Melee DMG per anarchy stack. And for Amara's CLear the Mind, should have boosted Elemental Damage and Duration on top of what it offers imho.

[@MisterT.2962]

the first good capstones that come to mind when talking about good is Bloodsplosion, Megavore, Short fuse, Death bl0ssom, Critical ascention, Double barrel and zanes blue tree which I forgot the name of

[@theashenfox]

Bruh... My most fun Fl4k build is a purple tree build. Check out TermX's guide, I modified it quite a bit, but that's the base of it. I certainly agree the purple capstone is underwhelming on its own, but with a CMDL3T com, you get the capstone AGAIN! Sure, it lacks the outright damage of other VHs (about on par for bossing with a phasezerker Amara), but it makes you utterly invincible with over 1m shield and just shooting heals your shield (by the passive crits, you don't even have to aim for the head, though if you are a good critter, obviously that's even more effective. It's a pretty gear dependant build, I'm currently running it with a 2xturtle, 1xcapacity Infernal wish for about 800k shield which is the sweet spot imo, combined with urad anoints and a snowdrift deathless (with 28% rad damage as well other great stats), the damage is not great, but respectable (I can do true trials without cheesing, but it's not quick. It turns FL4Ks weakness (squishiness) into his greatest strength, and sacrifices about 30% overall damage. Spoiler - try a Lob with this purple tree/cmdl3t/infernal wish/deathless/urad build. If you want the save file I'll join the discord and pass it along. ;) Bottom line, any capstone you can make an effective 'true raid' build around, can't be the number 1 worst in the game. :P

[@nightmare62089]

Until they moved it and made a class mod that does the same thing, Seein' Red was phenomenal.

[@pyrosiscryo]

Moze's capstone skill in her blue tree. It basically turns all kinds of weapons into splash weapons. And since Moze boosts splash damage with her blue tree... you can do the math.

[@foxymanaic5934]

Hmmm. One that sounds a bit obvious but I'm going to say it anyway, Zer0's Kunai/Death Blossom. Very useful regardless of the build you use for Zer0 and it also gives you an option of slag so you don't have to shoot to slag a target and also of course the fact that it debuffs the enemy is the cherry on top. Even after Gearbox kept nerfing it over and over again, it didn't stop people from taking it because it's so crucial.

[@mhedestruction8258]

Overkill for Salvador is definitely up there

[@acey6991]

Hmm, what's my favorite capstone? Nishas capstones are super fun, but in terms of what is the best..?thats a real question...maybe flak or sal honestly. Throwing up middle fingers is awesome, but getting a damage boost because of it? Sick. And flak is just all around awesome

[@salamanteri_]

The best capstone is Maya's Ruin. On paper it doesn't look amazing but it makes gameplay feel so much smoother. That automatic slag on enemies is a privilege and I notice myself missing it when I'm playing other characters.

[@garethconnolly5557]

Damn I thought that Moze’s purple cap stone worked for iron cub this whole time and it was only good for keeping that ability going on for a long time.

[@Ki11ersix]

It does but action skill end and start perks make it more valuable to run out and restart imo

[@garethconnolly5557]

@@Ki11ersix Yeah, I saw somewhere where the kills increase cool-down rate by 30% anointment works with cub too so l run that on a fire old god.

[@sneakymagic]

Nisha's middle skill tree capstone to dual wield her current pistol is really good

[@BeansWCornbread]

Megavore & FL4K with a monarch is just nuts

[@MrIamsosmrt]

Megavore is probably one of the best capstones in the franchise. The synergy with the rest of the red skill tree is huge and it's a massive damage boost even if you have k6 aim. Zane's double barrel can also be extremely broken with the right weapon like sandhawks or grease trap.

[@MrEhster]

My favorite is axton with two slag turrets. And boosting explosion damage.

[@br0br0123]

I think megavore could make the list. or maybe as an honorable mention. being able to hit a crit from anywhere is one of the reasons I chose FL4K as my first character.

[@captainspaulding5963]

WORST capstone, not best

[@br0br0123]

@@captainspaulding5963​​⁠I know but he was asking for the best at the end of the video. That’s what I was referring to.

[@dthless]

Salvador no kill like overkill that skill alone can kill raid bosses

[@jamesjdog]

Zane - Double Barrel, Digi clone with your currently equipment weapon is Insane. Especially with an - ION Cannon or Monocle

[@mushroomGdog77]

Krieg's blue cap Skill Release the Beast was good times chaining the skill ending each badass Buzz Axe Rampage when below 33% Health then reactivate badass Buzz Axe Rampage for infinite head wounds and baptism of blood! GOTTA THINK BIG... There is no me, there is no you! There is only the never ending spit and bile of combat! The twenty-four hour murder spree of shining metal! I drink the blood and eat the loot and breathe the numbers, because I! AM! A MONSTER! NOW AND FOREVER!

[@takeachance5881]

This got me thinking. Wouldn't it be a good idea to make a list of top 10 (or 15 considering how many candidates there are) non-capstone skills that are way stronger than capstones?

[@dorianthegray]

I have to say that trespass was one of my favorite BL1 skills, but maybe that says more about BL1 being underwhelming.

[@tf3israel584]

Clear the mind is literally Amara's second strongest capstone. It literally turns off the damage penalty for every element. Running on fumes is Moze's second strongest capstone too. Tenacious defense and Forge are much worse. Dominance literally stops enemies from shooting you for twelve seconds. All you have to do is aim down sight and crit. Confident competence is much worse than all of them.

[@br0br0123]

i think the point is that none of them are deserving of being a capstone.

[@tf3israel584]

@@br0br0123 They literally change core gameplay mechanics. Clear the mind removes the downside of every element, Running on fumes stops the action skill timer, Dominance turns off enemy targeting on you. Tenacious defense restores a portion of the shield and gives 30% gun damage. Getting to that capstone already offers more than twice as much gun damage. A skill in the same skill tree also restores a portion of the shield. Forge is literally outperformed by a skill in the same skill tree. Confident competence gives up to 35% gun damage while your shield is active. Violent momentum offers up to 640% gun damage. Commitment and Synchronicity each offer 40% gun damage. Commitment also adds extra cooldown rate. And it literally takes fewer skill points to get these three skills than it takes to get Confident competence.

[@takeachance5881]

There's also the point of a capstone being at the end of a tree that's not worth investing in vs capstone at the end of a tree that's filled with value points left and right (forge and green tree)

[@tf3israel584]

@@takeachance5881 Forge is literally the capstone of a skill tree that only has one skill of value in the second half. And that skill is not even the capstone.

[@JPooserAnimations]

Critical Ascension and Scorn are disgusting. Avatar for Amara is nasty, too. Proc your action skill twice while it's on cooldown? Yes please

[@riemaennchen]

Thoughtlock would've been okay if it didn't replace the regular Phaselock. If it was an additional effect after Phaselock ends it would been so much better. Especially with the skill that makes your Phaselock target another enemy if the previous target died.

[@LordZeroTheNightmare]

im going to be 100% honest here: I spec'd purple tree cuz I saw "war loader" and I thought i was gonna get a BL2 style war loader. I like mecha so i still kept using it anyway as Flak isnt my main, but damn.

[@windebiesteultima3317]

Zane’s Doubled Agent capstone is definitely making top 3 no doubt.

[@AceOfShamrock]

For best capstone I can't help but love Krieg's Bloodsplosion. It's powerful, and it can really change the dynamic of the game once you have it (Pyro Pete who)

[@GeraldWCarr]

High Fives Guys maybe shouldn't be a capstone but it's hilarious running up to enemies with your hand up and getting 50% fire rate, 15% gun damage and 3% health regen while taking no damage from the hit.

[@stinkyjaws]

I think if bloodsplosion isn’t on the follow up it’d be a disservice to Kreig fans.

[@Donanzador]

I think With Claws is by far the worst capstone. On top of being pretty weak, it has no synergy with the rest of the tree apart from requiring anarchy stacks to begin with. There's nothing in that tree that helps with Gaige's melee (quite the contrary, blood soaked shields hinders melee builds by giving you shields when you kill an enemy, so you lose the roid bonus). And to top it all off, if you include With Claws, Gaige has a total of 3 skills that increase her melee damage. Strength of Five Gorillas giving up to 33% melee damage, if you boost it with a class mod and Upshot Robot giving 4% every time you kill someone with DT active. Capacitance, while not exactly amazing, at least has synergy with the rest of the tree. I would move With Claws to #1, then probably Nuke and Capacitance at #3. Dominance is another skill that I disagree with. It has a lot of synergy with Fl4k's other skills, both for applying it, and when it is applied to an enemy. While not as strong and impactful as Megavore or The Power Inside, it definitely has its use cases. I would've replaced it on the list with Zane's Confident Competence. Up to 35% gun damage and 50% accuracy when your shield is full is laughable for a capstone, and it's on the worst tree as well, so you're wasting a lot of points to get that far in the first place. As for the strongest capstones, Ruin, Double Up, Death Bl0ss0m, Avatar, Megavore and Wrath of the Goddess are all amazing utility skills and work pretty much in any type of build. Critical Ascensi0n, No Kill Like Overkill, Bloodsplosion, Short Fuse, Double Barrel, One For Each Of Ya and The Unforgiven are amazing damage skills. And then there's also Leadership, which transforms Jack into an absolute beast in the battlefield.

[@ethanator8265]

I have to disagree on the thoughtlock pick. For one, I’m pretty sure it just increases the duration of the base action skill by 4 seconds, it’s not a lower duration like you suggest. Plus while locking one enemy can be convenient, I find that the other twelve enemies I’m fighting are still quite dangerous, so distraction ends up being better. Plus if you go up to the skill you get to take 5 points into subsequence which when paired with the duration, you get so many activations of converge and ruin. Scorn is a great skill, but the points to get to it are somewhat wasted as you don’t need 5 points in life steal anyway. Plus it’s been noted that scorn aggros enemies very far away which can mean even more enemies shooting at you. I’ve also personally never liked juggling scorn and ruin to maintain slag on groups.

[@canihave1dab724]

Gotta disagree, in part, on the purple flak tree. If you’re doing a “pet only” run, it’s got some really solid options, plus you get access to war loader.

[@Ki11ersix]

To each their own

[@ImHellish]

trespass is broken wdym? not having to worry about any shield, specially fighting gurdians? hell yeah

[@Ki11ersix]

Yeah Trespass is good

[@jordonbrown9762]

Well, Moze's Short Fuse Capstone is great. As is Krieg's Bloodsplosion or Release the Beast

[@travispoole96]

Lets hope BL4 improves on all this 😊

[@joshrupard1593]

Honorable mention for greatest capstones: seein red for Zane. And honorable mention cuz it used to be his capstone

[@galactor24]

Oh man. IVe missed the top 10s

[@richardfarmer6570]

Forge for Moze, hands down.

[@TruestAura]

i think thought lock is bad cuz its not usefull in bosses. but in mobbing it can be really good as they locked enemy pull aggro, also i feel like sals flip off isnt really that good

[@GARYHODGKINSON]

Shocked to see Claptrap's Rainbow Coolant isn't on this list, not only are the novas super weak, but it unlocks yet another worthless action skill package, Laser Inferno. Do you want a disco ball to obscure a third of your screen, while doing next to no damage? Then have I got the package for you.

[@Ki11ersix]

It was originally number 10 but I bumped it since I already had High Fives on there