$100 Budget CEDH Gameplay | Anje vs Kinnan vs Lavinia vs Tymna/Kraum

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[@bevans224]

Also, thank you guys for being budget friendly. The budget cedh community gets so much flak because "it's not cedh, just proxy" but people fail to realize that cedh is a mindset and gameplan, not JUST all the best cards. It really helps ease casual players into a cedh mindset as well, and normally how much they would pay to build a normal casual deck. I can say that the reason I'm a cedh player now is because of budget brews that I've fallen in love with and slowly upgraded.

[@Narabedla4]

this so much. you build a competetive style deck fundamentally different to a normal casual deck, independant of budget. Especially as someone who thinks budget breeds creativity, i would love to find a playgroup for a kind of budget cEDH pod (though at the moment, i don't have time for that)

[@bevans224]

@@Narabedla4 if you join the cedh budget discord there are plenty of us with a bunch of budget deck lists. The link.os in the cedh reddit! Although it's mainly for budget brews, some of us have made a pod, which is really nice!

[@CapsFan117]

I don't think easing casual players into cEDH should be a thing unless that casual player is willing to play a different sub format like cEDH and considers it to be a different format with a different meta and focused on a spike mindset of winning at all costs. This will be a quicker adjustment and allow people to not think about pubstomping battlecruiser type players.

[@bevans224]

@@CapsFan117 I agree, but my original comment was talking about people who want to play cedh or higher power but don't know where to begin. Thank you for clarifying though

[@isaiahcaudill277]

I completely agree with this. Everyone just tells me "proxy this and proxy that" but I'm also a collector and I don't like proxing cards I don't own because it feels wrong to me. (Idc if others do tho) . My kalamax deck is 550 and it hand itself pretty well but that's only because I've played it so much and know every in and out. My gitrog... 150 no proxys. You are very correct CEDH IS A MINDSET

[@Xplayer007]

Nazhal is what happens when Mystic Remora grows up.

[@LethalPigeon7]

It's a remora on a stick. An elusive stick that eats ships for dinner.

[@EthanKTufts]

Ryan the whole game:......i hate u guys. Just let me rummage....is that a THIRD attempted narset?!

[@dallaschaffin1946]

The reserved list is silly. Removing a handful of cards and saving 8000$ shouldn't happen. Magic is weird in all aspects

[@gqsnowman]

Yeah, but it either needed to never happen, or it needs to exist forever. You can't murder the value of cards people have paid ridiculous money for and not get a huge backlash from a ton of long time players.

[@kilpta4746]

@@gqsnowman A lot of long time players want to be able to keep playing the game.

[@gqsnowman]

@@kilpta4746 There are plenty of formats that get nowhere near the reserved list.

[@winter945]

@@gqsnowmanmay I point you to shivan dragon as to an example of how it isn't as simple as get rid of the reserved list and people would lose money

[@yanlopez674]

@@gqsnowman Lmao multiple MTG youtubers have said reprinting the reserved lists almost always does not lessen the values of said cards. Hell, Pokemon even reprinted foil Charizard with the same design from the very first set and its price did not even change ffs. Watch Professor's vid on this

[@cortezmonaro2714]

Yeeah, Anje! Is it a chance to see 150-200$ K'rrik or Niv-Mizzet?

[@milna64]

Niv is a great deck to build budget without losing anything. The curiousity/ophidians eye/tandem lookout combo cards are cheap and your game plan is largely stalling the game out till you draw them so - you don't need expensive tutors. What you need: 15-20 0-2 mana counters (at least a couple free ones like misdirection and foil) 15-20 mana cards - mostly 0-2 mana rocks but cards like rite of flame and treasonous ogre are also good. 32-38 land. As many dual lands as you can fit, then mostly islands especially if you wanna run moon. You don't need many creatures but baral, glinthorn bucanneer (for an extra combo out) captain lannery, spell skite are good (along with tandem lookout of course). Some stax elements are useful, blood moon, mystic remora, grafdiggers cage, cursed totem, stranglehold. Mileage may vary depending on your meta. Other important cards: snapback, mogg salvage, submerge, cyclonic rift, cantrips, fact or fiction, pongify, rapid hybridisation, rolling earthquake, pyroclasm. For a more casual meta amp up on the board wipes. If you wanna run windfall/other wheels effects throw in a market. The wheels seem nice but you're generally looking for hand sculpting, not draw since you want to stick a niv and keep it around, and he'll draw all the cards you need. Hope this has helped. Edit: if you have spare budget you'll wanna add dockside and both forces first. Then, Fierce guardianship and deflecting swat. Next Imperial recruiter as it finds glinthorn and lookout for either half of the combo.

[@gael_le_cruel]

Spoiled milk drinking contest, the best way to determine who plays first

[@oORoOFLOo]

I love their sense of humour, on top of fantastic gameplay, and spectacular narrating, honestly, this is the best (c)EDH channel. No offense to others, they are incredible, too, but PWTMTG games are always exciting.

[@bevans224]

@@oORoOFLOo yea. PWP and play to win are my personal favorites, a lot of personality and fun in the videos

[@sea81793]

It’s funny that this video is budget based, and happens to be almost twice as long as other videos.

[@zmonty011]

There aren't a lot of tutors in budget decks, so it makes them less consistent or have that one tutor that makes a hand win on turn 3 with fast mana.

[@whatgoat_]

there's a reason why tutors and fast mana are so expensive lol

[@RobMedellin]

Yes of course. The best decks win in T2 or something. I love the low cost concept, more magic!

[@blinky101]

I think that was mostly the early arcane laboratory which nobody wanted to be the person to remove it

[@justabear9317]

well imma be that guy but mike didnt need to discard to hand size, big fish Nezahal gives no max hand size

[@stuartalt7418]

Not only did he not need to, but he actually couldn't.

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Was a misplay on his part.

[@justabear9317]

Big oof but all part of the game, the lost value and he still gets stuff done solid game

[@aarongill5176]

These budget videos are awesome!! Please keep making them

[@Litt1eFishy]

This is what I’ve been hoping for for so long. It has finally come! The budget cedh video!! I love you guys for doing this!!!!!

[@tlouie3181]

I really enjoy these $100 budget cEDH matches. Not only does it give me hope of playing near cEDH, as I can't afford the top cards, but it demonstrates the skill these guys have piloting the decks. I would love for this format to become a staple of the channel's rotation.

[@connorl0204]

Seeing ThOr win without a consultation is such a refreshing thing to see.

[@marcelolima70]

Yeah, sure. But Septer + Reversal its not really diferent. But i dont saw any underworld breach, so am ok.

[@Jugglerman]

Thanks for posting these! Love to see some more budget CDH

[@AffinityForCommander]

This video proves that budget doesn't mean low powered! Great game guys! 😁

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Thanks! Glad you liked it! We love your channel!

[@AffinityForCommander]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG 😍

[@petercampbell6051]

11:54 why discard to hand size for mike if he has nezahal?

[@loganmorris2793]

I just looked and im not sure at first I thought it was talking about the windfall but that's not right either.

[@MintyMagicMTG]

Must have been a mistake. He does it a couple times. :/

[@WowItzNemo]

i also caught this and like pmintz said he does it acouple times

[@SivanasArtStudio]

I love games like these! It feels like I could actually hang at this table with my $100 dollar decks!

[@khazixthevoidreaver9499]

tripple narset + Hushbringer + Fate unraveler + Tocatly honor guard and an attepted spell thief must have been fun for Ryan

[@addambarcelos]

Always cool to see these budget cedh decks. The game was quite intense

[@eduardomendez7573]

Anje player looks at Narset, Verity Circle, AND Tormod's crypt... FML pass

[@rubesobar5203]

I love this series and I am adding your decklist to my collection of cEDH budget decks right away.

[@kwikdraw7332]

Let's be real. Wizards needs to just reprint cards at this point. I understand that SCG has dropped Legacy as a supported format, but LGS DO still have Legacy/Vintage events (not to mention EDH) that people can't get into because of the (increasingly) ridiculous price points. This was an extremely fun game to watch, but the fact that one card is responsible for over half of the expenses of the budgetless Blue decks is insane.

[@iscaleto]

YES ANOTHER BUDGET ONE! I did a 50$ Anje a while ago, finally get to see how it should be done :D

[@JustforKikX]

Love these budget CEDH decks. I use the Yuriko one from your other video and I adore it.

[@justinveron698]

I love seeing budget Cedh and Cedh gameplay! Keep it up!

[@apock2474]

Up until Nezahal I was certain that it was going to be Arcane Lab as the mvp because it had such a massive impact on the game.

[@necromega666]

It feels like the same argument used for keeping the reserved list is similar to "But think of the rich people"

[@necromega666]

Like im lucky enough to own a real Sliver Queen but come on i know tons of people who would love to make it.

[@olivergreer3690]

It's really not. Wizards tells people that they won't keep reprinting certain cards because the player's back then were getting mad that their cards' value tanked. People then literally invest in those cards just because of Wizard's promise. They can't go back on their word now because it would result in huge backlash from the investor community. "think of the rich people" as an argument would work if those rich people's lives were completely ruined financially because of the proposed policy, which is actual what would happen if certain cards were reprinted.

[@SmugLookingBarrel]

Yay more budget CEDH. I'm especially impressed with the tymna/kraum list, proving that you don't need a 3000 dollar mana base to compete at the CEDH table with a four colour deck.

[@nazgir5343]

I must thank you guys to bring me into the format. I got interested in building a more casual Krark/Sakashima list from one of your previous videos, but it was still too powerful for my regular playgroup. So this morning I got to brewing and made it into an actual cEDH list, and joined a Tabletop Simulater discord server and got my first few games in. Got SUUUUUPER lucky with my krark triggers (they always removed one of my krarks so never had more than one until the very end), managed to find an opening and push through a dualcaster/twinflame combo for the win. While at 1 life, with the thrassios/bruse pod player trying to kill me since T1 for the cursed totem I had down. So again, thank you for showing me how much fun competitive edh can be.

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

You are welcome! We are so happy to hear your journey into Cedh!

[@loganmorris2793]

I love this budget series. It makes me feel like I could compete with my 100 dollar decks

[@registeel8547]

Watching Kinnan in commander makes me want to re-live that spicy Yisan deck from season 1. Thnx u guys

[@johnbaird6752]

Man I love lavinia, control is nasty, bummer he didn't draw knowledge pool Oh also it feels good to see thoracle win without consultation haha

[@jmangaban1]

I love these episodes, please make more.

[@thecornhub6561]

Nice! I love it when CEDH decks have to work under budgetary constrictions. I always find it interesting to watch people try to play to the highest power without just slapping in the suped up expensive auto includes as it makes you be more creative with the deck. I'm curious on how a budget 100$ Nizzet curiosity deck would function, as his combo pieces are actually really cheap compared to many other cedh decks.

[@CriticalRainbow]

I think there's a misplay at 13:42. Ryan discards his hand due to the windfall trigger and casts the Strength of Lunacy, but the Anje should have untapped when he discarded a card with madness.

[@supachocobo]

They catch it later, it's untapped at 14:20.

[@curtisstith2573]

Love the idea for these! I think the sweet spot might be closer to $150 though so the tapped lands and 3 mana rocks could be replaced. Keep up the great content!

[@bevans224]

I called it, I knew who would win as soon as I saw the commanders

[@DarkEinherjar]

"You have no maximum hand size" has to be the second most overlooked and easily forgotten ability in all of Magic. **cries in Nezahal** If you're wondering, the first one is vigilance. :D

[@Cruzer50143]

I was coming to the comments to see the very same thing. @11:57

[@karanok]

I know it’s suboptimal but I always slot in a reliquary tower or thought vessel into my decks just so I can keep my cards

[@perekosmo2908]

As of today this budget version of Anje cazn be bought for a very good price of 57 € - 62 USD. This is in europe only 12 bucks more than the precon running for 45 €... Tanks :)

[@jacobjensen7704]

Man, Nezahal is similar to Elesh Norn- one of those creatures that cost a lot of mana, but MAN are they worth it when they come down.

[@geaesdragon]

realy like this hope to see more budget cedh.

[@Magidex]

Wow. Totally forgot about Verity Circle. Every mana dork my opponent taps draws me a card??? Holy crap. To wit: I watch *this* and Play to Win, because it's JUST gameplay. It cuts 90 minute games down to 10-20 min videos.

[@BDYT24]

I love these budget videos

[@pieroalvarado4311]

15:36 Mike didn't need to discard to hand size since Nezahal is in play

[@crossr1984]

I've been subscribed for a while but only recently started really watching... Now I want to play cEDH!!! And if I can do it on a decent budget (or just proxy), I may start soon.

[@karstdeboer4538]

OMG! Im watching Scott Pilgrim vs. The World right now, and your K.O. sample is the same as in that movie, so I assume you got it from there, or from the same source as that movie. I am so hyped to find this out haha :D

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Good ear! That’s exactly where we got it from!

[@karstdeboer4538]

I literally stopped the movie, rewatched it, and posted this comment before I finished it. Really cool you got it from there, suits the awesome content (also suits the Cedh you against all the other decks mentaliteit a bit)

[@Dracomandriuthus]

You missed the Anje untap trigger when the windfall resolved.

[@MightyFoogle]

Another solid episode, Lavinia was doing her best to keep things locked down

[@zmonty011]

When I built the Lavina deck, it had non budget decks in mind to play against. I don't think playing it against other budget decks is it's best outing. I have tried it against fully tuned cEDH lists and it holds it own.

[@tmakalpha1]

@@zmonty011 yup, I only learned much later after I built it how effective she is vs zero CMC mana rocks and mana reducers

[@seventvarods7728]

Please make more I love these style of games

[@jonnymiller1989]

Kinnan doesn't need much to be powerful. My kinnan deck has been a on going investment and is OP now.... my first ever EDH deck was Anje and I'm currently trying to revive it without breaking the bank. Watching games like this I picked up on a budget replacement for deflecting swat. Thankyou.... And funnily enough before I decided to revive Anje I was contemplating building a Nezahal deck. Now probably gona try build both lol

[@pj3259]

i would like to see more budget cedh builds. it is very similar to what i do in edh. I try to win buy turns 7-9 instead of 10-12 like most games.

[@luckysword0455]

13:44 I know its an oversight but I'm pretty sure when Ryan discarded the strength of lunacy to windfall it should have untapped Anje

[@ChadZeluff]

Great video. As I search KZbin and watch these games without all the fast, expensive mana rocks, it makes me wish more of them were banned. The games feel more interesting when we aren’t exclusively using turns 2-4 to rush our way to 9+ mana.

[@monomagica.k.afrank6046]

Budget decks are cool and i will not budge on that thought

[@lordteeuwen]

8:10 , i guess when something "enters the battlefield with [x] counters" on it, it's not the same as the "enter the battlefield" effects that the hushbringer surpresses?

[@WhiteWizard42]

correct. "enters the battlefield with" and "as ~ enters the battlefield" are replacement effects. Triggered abilities start with "when", "whenever", or "at". So if it doesn't say When or Whenever, Hushbringer doesn't affect it.

[@lordteeuwen]

@@WhiteWizard42 cool, thanks! :) I had the focus on the battlefield enter part :p

[@Starwal-be5sw]

But can He Name a Color for qurion elves ?

[@WhiteWizard42]

@@Starwal-be5sw Yep. Quirion says "As ~ enters the battlefield" so it's a replacement effect too.

[@moralessanchezoscarelias6412]

Awesome game! I really like all these decks!

[@zach3553]

I'm surprised I don't see Multani's Presence in budget builds more (or just normal builds!)

[@sphj3493]

Great game guys!

[@qb1482]

I love budget cedh because since there is not a set meta. So you see some many different cards.

[@josephtucker8456]

I feel like this was just normal EDH with the interaction everyone should be playing lol

[@MstrKipper]

>Tomer has entered the video

[@adamreed2088]

I love the budget edh decks look awesome

[@EDHNeoRoyal]

I feel you, draw triggers are the worst to edit 😅

[@markalexander5578]

This is the stuff I wait for

[@zackslocomb8364]

I love this serious

[@oliverhenneberger6054]

Adam could have drawn cards off Kinnan or Anje tapping for their respecitve abilities while controlling Verity Circle.

[@markwilliams6008]

Love the budget games!

[@felipesilva2806]

Budget is so fun

[@rexone9564]

I dig it. I have $100 izzet pirates, and araumi.

[@princevegetaprinceof212say3]

More $100 cedh. I took a crack and built $100 Meren deck with a protean hulk package or ways to recur it's pieces and have been enjoying it. Maybe another blind commander game using $100 budget

[@wilfulbuckle13]

I definitely respect budget decks, it would be a struggle for me to build one. But, it's not my favorite thing to watch. I watch a lot of cedh for the powerful fun cards.

[@lucaslu739]

I think Mike shouldn't discard to hand size all those time for Nezahal, unless there is something Im missing.

[@moreparmesan5261]

This should really say something about how ridiculous the reserved list is. Also why my group uses proxies. ESPECIALLY with recent prices. Every time I think im in a good position to start buying duals again, they spike way outside my range. I spent $4 on a good proxy compared to almost $1,000 currently.

[@thevp_ssb.]

Mike didn't need to discard to hand size with Nezahal out. Oh well. Lol.

[@Bleach213monster]

I'm going to start playing on spell table and was wondering what CED H group I should join that allows proxy I don't care about points or cash prizes I just play for fun and the spirit of cedh

[@Josh-zn5uk]

The competitive scene on the PlayEDH Discord server is completely proxy-friendly

[@Bleach213monster]

O OK thanks I didn't know I thought just some of them aloud proxies

[@uphillwalrus5164]

I've never heard of a cedh playgroup not allowing proxies

[@caex]

@@Bleach213monster people who play cEDH want to play against players with their deck at the best it can be, not a deck restricted by budget

[@Bleach213monster]

@@caex thanks I was just making sure before I bought a Webcam and all the tokens I will to play Webcam CEDH

[@gravecrawler1629]

Do you guys do commander requests? Could you do a deck with Nicol Bolas, The Ravager? I've been dying to see how you guys would play it in a format like this

[@chachi_arcola]

What I've been growing to dislike more and more about cEDH is the overuse of the same card pool over and over again in every deck, simply because they're known to be the most optimal, efficient cards available. No one wants to deviate from the proven formula or try something different just for the sake of spicing it up. Playing on a budget restriction forces you to make choices that can lead to something fun and interesting. Something a little different. This was refreshing to watch, great job gentlemen. Still sucks that Thassa's Oracle won yet another cEDH game

[@apolo_guardian8408]

Why was he discarding to handsize when he has nezahal out??

[@Dinoschnaffy]

More more more loved this

[@Jakxlll]

umm am I missing sth or shouldnt mike not discard to hand size with Nezahaul?doesnt it give you infinite hand size?

[@LoboGuarah]

Yeah, think you missed it. "This spell can't be countered. You have no maximum hand size." Dont worry.

[@DiploRadio]

lower the music in the intro is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much smoother! nice small improvement

[@gobby85]

19:36 Mike had Nezahal so shouldn't have discarded to hand size

[@richardjohnson8991]

Every time I see/resolve a Nezahal in a high power game because "that card sucks" I just silently nod until we all die to it. That stupid dinosaur is deceptively strong and weirdly enough the lower power you go the more people respect it

[@S_l_o_p_p_y]

How come the red/black player lost against the blue decks??

[@uriahatkinson2103]

Wow what a game everyone..fish for the win..keep up the good work... Next time not so much blue lol

[@isaachaahr8691]

Kinnan is the kind of nonsense that can be a lot of fun. Gives you mana and something to dump the mana into with big dumb things to beat face

[@smegmalasagna]

I have discussed making 100 dollar budget cedh decks with my playgroup :p They said: "But can budget cedh still be considered cedh?" I'll show them this video. If everyone's powerlevel has been lowered, nobody's powerlevel has been lowered. (Well as long as you still have your 100% necessary cards of course)

[@orsettomorbido]

Ugh, not the spoiled milk D:

[@esimplx]

Ya... Nezahal says "you have no maximum hand size". Ouch.

[@usquared]

I’m curious why the table didn’t work harder to deal with Nez? Wasn’t it clear that letting the kinnan player draw 5 extra cards per turn cycle wouldn’t end well?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Stax was locking down the board.

[@stephenvance4867]

I just looked at the deck lists and the Anje deck is one card short.

[@therubyskeleton1002]

Ummm apparently transmute artifact is 300$, I’ve had one lying around 🤩lol😂😝

[@bodaciouschad]

My only deck to ever win a game against the spikes who brought cedh decks to our casual table was a niv mizzet deck. All it ever did was combo with curiosity or ophidian eye and hope that I don't deck myself before everyone else is finished off. I hated the deck and playing it, but no other strategy I had the cards to play could compete with force of wills and pact of negations running around to counter everything I tried to do. I had to run 35 counterspells. Sad thing is that nowadays, they'd have maindeck hate to shutdown my deck through hullbreacher and narset. There reallys needs to be an official distinction between cedh and edh.

[@DarkEinherjar]

You and your friends should discuss decks' power levels before you start the game.

[@bodaciouschad]

Everybody says that, but the problem was that they didn't care.

[@SiwelYhtomit]

Alright I'm dumb and just starting to get into cEDH from casual play, but the only wincon I see in the Anje list is the Comet Storm off an infinite Worldgorger/Animate Dead(etc) mana combo. I see the red counterspells and redirects, but with a telegraphed combo like that won't people just hold up the mana to counterspell? Or are you relying on the fact that drawing most of your deck will put the counterspells in your hand to keep the combo safe?

[@milna64]

Anje is an extremely fragile one chance combo. It's also very fast and easily assembled. Playing the deck well has a lot to do picking your moment carefully.

[@SiwelYhtomit]

@@milna64 thanks! Makes more sense. Wouldn’t something like impact tremors or dragon tempest make it more stable? Or is the 2 extra mana too much?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Also Avacyn's Judgment can be discarded and cast for X. You can also have Bloodhall priest on the field with no cards in hand and flicker WGD with priest to drain opponents.

[@SiwelYhtomit]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG thanks! Excited to learn more. My original playgroup was very non-infinite combos so I never really got into them until recently.

[@DarkEinherjar]

There's also Sunscorcher Desert, which will ping players over and over again during every Worldgorger cycle.

[@Draco9909]

May i recommend using feather the redeemed in the next budget or heck even regular cedh game for a interesting game

[@brisinger117]

My question is why did Mike keep discarding Nez says he has no max hand size.

[@whiteking07]

Adam why did not play his commanders??? he could assign them as blockers weird thing to do instead using veriy circle's activation???

[@7hardy8]

Any chance for the lists without the budget? Like the $5k Kinnan one you mentioned at first

[@rkbmcb]

13:44 Anje triggers on discarding any card with Madness, not just when using her ability. She should have untapped there.

[@supachocobo]

They catch it later, it's untapped at 14:20.

[@rkbmcb]

I catch the mistake and then don't catch the fix!

[@Serouzo]

Lavinia is an odd choice for a commander at a budget table where most of the fast mana (moxen) and free spells (FoW) are not present

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

He built it with full-budget cEDH in mind.

[@Lonewanderer6666]

Mike wins the spoiled milk drinking contest T1: Mike has dihedra and was in the washroom for 30 minutes.

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

I was too busy vomiting in the bathroom to remember the text on Nezahal 😂

[@sorry987654321]

blind obedience is allowed in uw !? thats cool!