100% S-Tier: Pwnage StormBreaker Review

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Thoughts on adjustable sensor after you watched the video? Should more mice include this?

[@8020Alive]

No. The balance shifts and that's not good. Would love it up top ONLY if they could design it with 50 / 50 balance. 1 step forward 1 step back.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

@@8020Alive depending on your grip style and choice of placement the weight shift is very very minor in feel while ' in game ' if you fingertip like myself then yes its going to be more obvious . but target audience is claw/palm.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

@@Divinity_vA Another thing to stress out about hahaha that is true, some people will worry too much xD

[@ApparentlyPeter]

@@UpgradeLemonade let me add it to my list

[@ApparentlyPeter]

would be interesting to try as all the mice i've used have the sensor in the center

[@jilesbraeden]

bro im supposed to be saving up. you cant keep doing this

[@UpgradeLemonade]

must. buy. pwnage. 😈

[@heatnup]

@@TonyTheTiger1000 its a small ergo. the EC1 is a large ergo

[@MrMaxim]

Imagine you're drawing a circle with a pencil. If you hold the pencil near the tip, you have to move your hand less to draw the circle. If you hold the pencil at the end, you have to move your hand more to draw the same circle. The circle size doesn't change, but how much your hand moves does change. This is similar to the mouse sensor position here and that metaphor helped me understand. The sensor is like the pencil tip and your hand is like where you're holding the pencil.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Great way of looking at it too 👌 appreciate you stopping by the channel MrMaxim, respect to your content 🫡

[@AimAdapt]

Incredible detail in this review. A must watch for anyone looking to pick up this mouse.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

🫶🥲 means a lot homie, your videos are always incredibly well done

[@Dreklo_]

holy shit, I need this edit: absolutely cracked video and review btw

[@UpgradeLemonade]

get it bb. it needs you.

[@ApparentlyPeter]

Please return this masterpiece to the museum you got it from

[@UpgradeLemonade]

😅😅

[@DaveAlkema]

Both myself and a buddy pre-ordered this, we're both still waiting for fulfillment, but looking forward to receiving it! It's been great to see the positive reviews for this mouse, I had almost cancelled my pre-order, glad I held out now.

[@mt.sefuri3909]

6:23 “I really love the feeling of raw magnesium” 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Better than plastic feeling 🙃

[@bops8296]

been waiting for this!

[@TMKM]

"well, is this a miss or a hit? lets find out" the title:

[@UpgradeLemonade]

I forgot I said that while I was making the thumbnail.... LOL,. im tired damnit need sleep after grinding this one out today XD

[@oluna8369]

great video lemonade, one on my list to save up for! love the look and coating detail.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Appreciate it Luna 🙂 glad it helped

[@seriphonic]

After watching this I ordered the mint/turquoise version! Super excited. Great review and subbed :D

[@UpgradeLemonade]

much love, glad it helped 😀💛

[@8020Alive]

This review quickly became your most popular video - people are curious about magnesium 💕

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Ya seems so , did not expect that 😅

[@ChessBoxin]

Hey I hover around 33cm /360 as well too :D At least for overwatch I am. In Valorant its a lot slower of a sens. Did you find yourself aiming better in OW with the sensor higher or lower? This got me thinking to look at my mice and see which ones ive aimed with best and my ec2a might be the one i aimed with the best and its positioned the lowest. Lamzu mini and Pulsar xlite v2 mini are more higher and mid positioned. Nice video thanks.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Yeah I tested it in OW and honestly a lower position was nicer imo. I really like the stability it brings to the faster 33cm sensitivity. It's like an interesting balance

[@snekxs]

Super solid video and super solid mouse

[@UpgradeLemonade]

thanks homie

[@IOSam]

Was waiting for your take on this one... Solid review (as always)!

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Means a lot from you Sam , appreciate that 😊

[@C0BEX]

What I would love to see from most of these mice manufacturers, since they are already developing their own software, would be per application settings. Especially for something like the polling rate. I don't want to go to the software, or hardware button every time I play competitive, but I also totally don't need 2K or 4K polling when I'm browsing the web.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

GWolves actually has a setting called advanced power mode that does just that. (You can check out my HSK video the last one) but it doesn't really work consistently lol . Essentially it lowers polling to 500hz when not gaming and when in game it boosts it up to 1k,2k, or 4k depending on the setting you pick

[@jakeufps]

Splendid review, Lem. The slam click prevention is really smart, and you've generally opened my eyes a lot when it comes to the StormBreaker. I thought that it was going to be a magnesium cash grab, but seeing how they've taken the release serious with all the delays and with 4K incoming as well, I truly believe that there are some people behind this project that genuinely care.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Glad you enjoyed it brother and well said 👌

[@Jigsawh_Reviews]

mouse looks sooo good...

[@UpgradeLemonade]

yeah i love the all white, its just so clean

[@lnbabz]

@@UpgradeLemonade Gives me pad Pegasus SL12 vibes

[@philipp594]

The movable sensor is great .. but they should have had threaded inserts in the plastic and used non countersunk screws ... not a good design. The benefit is that you can set the sensor right to the plane where you would rotate your wrist, so you don't get unintented mouse input from turning the mouse slightly while swiping.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Ya they can improve on the implementation but the effort to even implement this is more than most manufacturers attempt to do in their mice . I'm sure we'll see updates to this design as Pwnage keeps using it

[@thatzaliasguy]

Man; this would be great if I didn't game on a trackball (GameBall).

[@koxx_hun]

10 days later, what do you think it's worth buying, is there anything annoying wrong with it? How long is the battery life?

[@UpgradeLemonade]

yeah still very much worth buying! nothing has come up with my unit that changes the video recommendation. In terms of battery its hard to gauge I charge it like once or twice a week (I cycle between various mice) The only competition this may have this year is the Lamzu Thorn or Xlite v3 but we'll have to see what comes of them (next few months)

[@VoltaReviews]

Appreciate the detailed sensor placement breakdown you gave 🫡 That colour way looks 🔥 But not as 🔥 as this review! Awesome work 🍋

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Appreciate that homie glad it helped 😁

[@officialteamroc]

bro boardzy needs to take notes!!! good review!!!!!

[@UpgradeLemonade]

appreciate the kind words homie. but I have mad respect for Boardzy, he got me into reviews along a few others, nothing but love. His humor and style is unmatched

[@SaifAliShugan]

High Quality content :)

[@ebean9158]

My biggest concern is software support. Will Pwnage provide any routine updates at all or will they release a Stormbreaker 2 when the latency on the mouse becomes uncompetitive? They did this with the symm/symm 2 years ago. Looks like they have software updates now but it was infuriating when I had my Pwnage mouse for a year with no updates and terrible latency compared to every other brand.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Yeah hard to say but I hope they continue supporting it well into the future. That said with LDAT click latency average of 0.6ms that's insane considering some 4K are hitting around that and this is only 2K atm. Haus Gaming is getting his video out maybe next week? So he can confirm if the click latency is true to that #

[@Steamrick]

Given that they're already sub-ms latency - I don't think that you can rationally argue that it even *can* become uncompetitive. Even halving the latency just means another 0.3ms latency. There's a lot of other points to address before that even begins to matter.

[@OlicheckGamingTech]

Great review bro! Everything has been covered in this video! Amazing Job 👍 You convinced me. I wanted to save for ULX but I need to get this now 😁. The blue one looks 👌

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Awesome brother I'm really glad you enjoyed it 🫶 respect your content too! I'm still getting ULX for fingertip but Pwnage made a real solid 2023 mouse and ergo top contender

[@mr.clickey]

Im debating if I get ULX finalmouse or stormbreaker

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Im def getting a ULX for ftip haha. it really will just come down to shape and looks for you though. from a tech standpoint they are both bleeding edge so you wont have bad performance regardless

[@Katze822228]

I looked at the paper too and it seems a bit flawed to me because all participants were used to a sensor positioning around the center from their regular mice and they were not given much time to adjust to the different sensor positions. So it could just be that they performed better on what they were used to. It'd be interesting how much the participants can adjust to different sensor positions after months of use. I guess with this mouse you can experiment yourself although the sensor positions possible on it are nowhere near as extreme as those in the paper.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Yeah the study wasn't perfect but it's more data than we normally get regarding new mouse tech haha. And it really is more of a difference in feel than you'd experience vs some of the other stuff I mentioned.

[@MargaretSosa-v5z]

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[@Orlyy]

I went from a g903 to a starlight 12, and I can't go back weight wise. The FM even on medium is a tad uncomfy, so I'm hoping this will fill out my hand a lot more, lol.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Oh yeah def will 👌

[@WhiTeyFU]

Hah, I kept telling myself I wouldn't order any more mice this year after I got the DAV3, but I wanted to try this after watching your video, so I pulled the trigger on one. Oh well.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Glad the video helped I guess haha 😆 let me now how it works out. Fresh really enjoyed it and he was a big fan of the Dav3

[@lxnnar1287]

Hey Im looking to buy this mouse but I really need to know, Does the software come with a changeable debounce time so I could doubleclick?

[@UpgradeLemonade]

I mention that in the video, but no its not a setting that is available at the moment. it defaults to 0ms debounce though

[@fiorxe]

should i get the final mouse or this? I play clawgrip

[@r_se]

if you keep your fingers really straight on the right side and need a lot of space there like most cs players, or if you do a carpal stabilized rather than pincer claw, ergo is probably better/ more comfortable. if you value vertical range of motion, care about weight being as low as possible and a flatter/lower mouse go for the ulx. the sides don't slope in too much on it either so u might be able to work with it too even w/ straight fingers but won't have as much space as an ergo.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Overall good answer 👍 the shape is really going to be the answer. Their both using strong tech inside

[@fiorxe]

@@r_se ok thank you sm! I kinda stabilize my hand with the back end of my palm but do claw my fingers pretty hard. I’ll probably spend some time on my brothers ergo mouse to see if the overall experience is good. Because i’m on a gpx rn so it’s pretty hard to tell where i wanna go bc of the safe logitech shape haha

[@bloondoesntretaliate11]

can you review the pulsar paracontrol v2, i really need a review for this mousepad because i couldnt really find one thats really into detail 😅

[@UpgradeLemonade]

its not on my list of pads tbh sorry!

[@waseycoods9517]

bro this was a fire review. like much better than other much more renowned reviewers. keep it up chief ill keep watching

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Appreciate the super kind words 🫶🙏

[@7uff155]

Been thinking about picking up a gpro superlight for ages, but for a little more i think you cant not go for this one, espescially since its magnesium and lighter

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Yup agreed much more modern and interesting mouse compared to GPX

[@Shaitan808]

Are these available at Target or Walmart, it's where I get all my mice.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

gotta go to Kmart. only place to find legendary mice.

[@LogPile444]

The main mood killer for me is the magnesium build. I just can't imagine it being comfortable for me in fingertip grip. You definitely lightened the mood on this mouse for me though, im mostly interested in the sensor flexibility and more aggressive shape. I may pick one up if I dont get the Ultralight X 🫡 Great job Lemon 👏

[@zatozatoichi7920]

Yeah, the shape itself is very suboptimal for fingertip grip. You should mainly check out small ambidexterous mice like G-Wolves Hati S/G-Wolves HSK and their iterations, Xtrfy M4 with the lower hump, Xtrfy MZ1/MZ1 Wireless (well, these are not ambi, but almost), Razer Viper Mini, Pulsar X2 mini, Lamzu Atlantis Mini, Ninjutso Sora etc.

[@LogPile444]

@@zatozatoichi7920 Thanks for the advice 🙏 I've reviewed a lot of those options on my channel, but some on your list I've missed. I actually like fingertip on ergos, currently doing this on my EC1-CW whoch I wasn't expecting to enjoy so much.

[@null0452]

​​@@LogPile444 Try xlite v2 mini if you want ergo to fingertip(or skoll mini)

[@LogPile444]

@@null0452 I have used the xlite v2 mini (also reviewed recently), thanks for the advice :) not tried the skoll but i hear a lot about it

[@zatozatoichi7920]

@@LogPile444 Tried both, and still having a Skoll SK-S (Mini, Sakura Edition). Shape-wise it's almost exactly the same as the Xlite v2 mini, just considerably lighter with its 48 grams. Omron (20M)s, but a crispy implementation, removable micro USB/USB Type-A paracord with medium stiffness, plus you can set everything on the mouse PnP with physical buttons (except debounce time, polling rate indicator LED activity and fine tuning of sensor resolution). And the usual G-Wolves tin box inside the thick carton, with loads of extras inside (bonus PTFE feet, 2 x TTC Gold or Pink switches, a pretty nice grip tape set, a dust cover ("bag"), a brush and a Chanel scent pad for the nice smell). You can also try out the Razer Orochi V2. It's a pretty decent mouse for fingertip and it stops at 66 grams, if you use a 7,5 grams Energizer Ultimate Lithium AAA battery. Or you can opt for a Finalmouse Starlight S-12 S. Or the fingertip god Zaunkoenig M2K.

[@cardbored_]

I don't get the whole obsession with flex. Like who is flipping their mouse over and pressing on the bottom of it while gaming?

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Not really an obsession it's just our job as reviewers to look for points in the build that are weaker than other areas so ppl know and companies can make them a bit more rigid in future versions

[@jcap8391]

Ill pass i had the symm 2 custom. My unit had alot of flex and also had a crusty scroll wheel 😢

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Rip :/

[@peaupi]

getting back to mice recently so i had to go watch my go to. Amazing review! Keep it up mr lemon

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Glad it helped 😄 and thanks 🙏

[@zeiyning]

Best review of Stormbreaker so far! huge details abt the sensor

[@koxx_hun]

Great review, thanks. I can't decide now 😅 (Lamzu 4K, Pulsar X2 or V3 pro)

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Hard to buy a bad mouse these days those are all great choices!

[@ApparentlyPeter]

buy them all

[@koxx_hun]

@@ApparentlyPeter 😅 true

[@xelerator2398]

Wait for pulsar x2-h oled 4k

[@KEROVSKI_]

Everything is great, but why didn't they made side plastics? Superlight, DAV3 pro and Zowie has that. There are people that don't care about it, but for me (and many others) is important. I rest my ring finger on that side plastic.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

The side and top is magnesium. Only the bottom and front are plastic .

[@MercyCEO]

I gotta admit, that whit colorway looks amazing!!

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Ya I asked to show the white cause it was one of the non limited options and also it's just clean 😎

[@ssss-kg7wz]

This mouse is very large, must be a strange combination with the low weight.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

It's not crazy big or anything. The combination feels really nice tbh 😁

[@fiorxe]

i’m saving my money to get the starlight drop coming soon. I’m really stressing bc i’m worried i won’t get one on drop

[@UpgradeLemonade]

It's continuous stock. So they'll keep producing it unlike the limited stuff like before

[@fiorxe]

@@UpgradeLemonade final mouse will?

[@fiorxe]

@@UpgradeLemonade will it still be like the lighter end mice?

[@fiorxe]

@@UpgradeLemonadeand i’m wondering if the quality on the final mouse is worth it i’ve heard a lot about the scroll wheel feeling weird and i don’t want to have to buy the mouse and not use it bc of the scroll wheel

[@fiorxe]

@@UpgradeLemonadei use my scroll wheel a lot because i play apex

[@TS-LordPhrozen]

Great review!

[@ScarKinq]

ist it possible to change the debounce time?

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Nope, I cover that in the video for a little more info regarding it all

[@lnbabz]

This was amazing! Really GJ and very in-depth review!

[@UpgradeLemonade]

I crunched the script filming and editing all in one day to get it out sooner for everyone. I'm tired 😫 so I really appreciate that, glad it turned out well 🫶

[@lnbabz]

@@UpgradeLemonade How is it for fingertip?

[@UpgradeLemonade]

@@lnbabz it's definitely workable, not the best ftip mouse shape but it's better than most ergos

[@Authentyc]

Great review man 👍

[@UpgradeLemonade]

thanks homie :)

[@gavrilo1389princip]

Whats thaat mousepad?

[@jeremyniels]

Switch grinding is one of the most annoying things you can have. It triggers an OCD in me that i dont even have. For this price its unacceptable

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Yeah agreed I just don't know if this is an isolated issue or not. The other few reviews up did not mention it and Pwnage reached out stating that isn't something they have experienced on units in their office. Obviously tho we'll see as more units go out.

[@DenzCasuela]

no ambidextrous?

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Naw sorry :/ id assume it's coming next? Or down the road

[@GRiMS2K]

Any tip or recommendation where u would put the sensor for claw/palm for example? - Also curious if u still use it? cheers mate, nice review!

[@UpgradeLemonade]

All preference really, whatever you like the feel of. There is no right answer. Just try both extreme ends first to get a feel for both then dial it in more if you need. Yes I still use it often 😁

[@GRiMS2K]

cheers bud! :)

[@steffdia7080]

Does the mouse wheel have clicking noise?

[@reykjavik9187]

I don't get it, why don't they make the scroll wheel out of aluminium and where is the free-scroll mode(in 2023)? But, I guess, this product is particularly designed to be used by gamers. Also, it would be nice to get the MINI version of this mouse.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Ya it's very FPS focused . But a mini would be dope

[@sinneddragon]

What is the clear grip tape that you have on your FM last legend?

[@UpgradeLemonade]

It's called Ghost Grips from HID labs. You can find it on lethalgaminggear . You have to cut it yourself and it's a bit annoying but it's the stickiest grip I've ever tried and thinnest

[@Troint]

Your code doesnt work on the mouse

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Yeah sorry I checked with them now it's not available for StormBreaker:/

[@Troint]

@@UpgradeLemonade this is no bueno

[@Ricey20]

Nice review! I don't see 4khz mentioned on their product page anywhere. Just wondering, is there official word they're still going to release it later?

[@UpgradeLemonade]

It was sent in the reviewers guide and their team didn't correct me when they reached out after my video released so I'm assuming it's still planned

[@Ricey20]

@@UpgradeLemonade That's great to know. Thanks!

[@ohhhh]

Pwnage actually made a great mouse!

[@kil1337]

why not put the sensor to the right position regarding the study and save up some weight and reduce probability of breaking parts?

[@UpgradeLemonade]

??huh

[@kil1337]

@@UpgradeLemonade sorry I'm not native, may be I didn't express myself properly. I'll try another way. if there a studies on proper sensor positioning,l and the majority of tested subjects had it centered, why not put the sensor where the vast majority had it positioned? you could save the weight of the mechanism and there would be less parts that might break e.g. the screws or that plastic that holds them.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

@@kil1337 ohhh I see what you mean now, sorry! Yes most mice do this but as a mouse enthusiast I really appreciate companies pushing innovation and giving users options beyond what we normally see to dial in performance. It does introduce more failure points yes but we'll just have to see how it holds up over long term use.

[@squee05]

just bought a dav3, and im also getting the finalmouse, so probably going to miss this one, but still really cool!!

[@UpgradeLemonade]

RETURN DAV3 GET PWNAGE!!!!! 😈 jk, enjoy brother and thanks for watching the vid :)

[@fiorxe]

how do you know your getting the final mouse? they haven’t come back in stock yet i’m waiting for the drop but i’m worried i won’t get one

[@rajahutan1981]

they making a left handed version? i really need an S tier mouse left handed

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Naw, RIP lefties. Jk idk lol . Pulsar is making an ambi mouse with button on the right side coming this year

[@rajahutan1981]

@@UpgradeLemonade that would be nice :D

[@lilycarries]

awesome review Lem! i wasn't sure what mouse i want to get next time i get a new one but this one looks like a strong contender.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

thanks Lily :) glad the video could help and appreciate you watching the vids. yeah this feels like a proper 2023 mouse.

[@Dwellic]

had my eye on this mouse for a little but ended up passing on it becase I had my eyes set on some other mice. Looking forward to the ULX release and got my order in on the Lamzu atalntis mini 4K.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

We got a lot of amazing choices this year so can't go wrong either way. I'll be checking out the 4K OG Lamzu soon and of course ULX is on my radar

[@LiveAndLaughs]

WARNING: This company's customer service is bad. My mouse arrived broken and their support had me in an infinite loop of questions and taking 3 days to respond to each answer. After weeks of going through that, I finally got them to let me send it back for a replacement, but now they won't respond and it's been over a week. I'm not sure what options I have for getting my money back.

[@drizzify7850]

The moving sensor seems like a cool idea but at second thought it seems like changing dpi can do the same thing and its done without a screwdriver.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Not quite, cause then you'd physically be moving the mouse more ( if you had a lower dpi) by adding distance to your swipe. Plus their are benefits to higher dpi with 4K and lower latency. Regardless it's more about praising something different that adds another layer of personalization Making another ergo mouse is a bit boring and safe

[@rhapsoz]

the sensor pos preference part was pretty interesting to hear about, sick review!

[@UpgradeLemonade]

yeah I was gonna write it off before I got the mouse... but after digging into it just found some strong value there worth talking about. glad you enjoyed it rhapso

[@rhapsoz]

@@UpgradeLemonade aha I wish 😢

[@Ian-hj8qk]

Hi! Loved your review of this mouse as it's one I'm currently looking at purchasing for the collection. Btw, what is the "Mouse Tester" software you mentioned around 3:34. Thanks!

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Thank 😁 and just type in mousetester GitHub in google it should come up

[@SniffersCreepers]

almost $200 is a crazy price

[@UpgradeLemonade]

It can't have the most exotic materials and unique tech and be the same price as the others , doesn't work like that lol That said Dav3 is solid option for $150 or wait for new Pulsar xlite V3 coming soon should be in the $100-150 range

[@yeysbaws]

#ad

[@UpgradeLemonade]

But howwwwwwwwww