10F Punishers Ranked WORST to BEST | Data Comparison | TEKKEN 8

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MishimaComplex

MishimaComplex

Күн бұрын

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Today we're starting the data collection on who has the best punishment in TEKKEN 8. The first category is 10 frame punishers. Hope you enjoy!
Raw data is available in the #discord-tech channel in our Discord server. Let me know what you guys think!
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:10 - Rankings
02:16 - TOP 10
03:00 - Highlights
03:52 - Tier List & Outro
Music:
The Black Mages - Those Who Fight Further FFVII

Пікірлер: 141
@Dr.Happy11
@Dr.Happy11 Ай бұрын
Jim, Lili and NSS Yoshi keeping their i10 wallsplat. Meanwhile, Raven after we've witnessed the results of his training: 💀
@Shirikatsu
@Shirikatsu Ай бұрын
Jim? As in 3ddy?
@Dr.Happy11
@Dr.Happy11 Ай бұрын
@@Shirikatsu Jim Mousaka, Yakuzer's son.
@dat1faclesdude
@dat1faclesdude Ай бұрын
he practiced his jutsus, punishing is lame
@MaskedGuyCh
@MaskedGuyCh Ай бұрын
Yeah Raven had a lot of unnecessary nerfs. He's bottom tier right now, but hopefully not for long.
@NYG5
@NYG5 Ай бұрын
Kazuya not getting Hei's 112 wallsplat but getting his stupid CD44 Kick
@mikhaillunin3478
@mikhaillunin3478 Ай бұрын
Let's not forget that he threw his dad into a volcano. You know what Hei's last words were? "No 112 wallsplat for you, enjoy my stupid CD44 kick!"
@user-ry5oh3qt2u
@user-ry5oh3qt2u Ай бұрын
Kaz 112 wallsplats in T7 too as far I know
@M1ROHPLAY
@M1ROHPLAY Ай бұрын
@@user-ry5oh3qt2uno it’s not
@strykah92
@strykah92 Ай бұрын
​@@user-ry5oh3qt2unot for a combo.
@zombecreative
@zombecreative Ай бұрын
All of zafina’s moves out of tarantula are at least i18, so really you’re only +5 at best after being +22 which was a necessary change in the last patch
@icarus212121
@icarus212121 Ай бұрын
TRT df1 is an uninterruptable follow up for 12 chip damage which is 34 total "damage" and puts her at +6. I think her 10f punish should be rated a little higher
@zombecreative
@zombecreative Ай бұрын
@@icarus212121 not against a wall
@CosmicVoid420
@CosmicVoid420 Ай бұрын
What do you mean? You are only +5 at best? She is +22 after hitting with 14 at 1:52. So even if her moves from tarantula were i30. That only leaves the opponent 8 frames to intercept.
@patrickoconnell9387
@patrickoconnell9387 Ай бұрын
So her fastest move is 8f slower than the fastest move you'd normally have standing. That would make her effectively +14
@zombecreative
@zombecreative Ай бұрын
@@patrickoconnell9387 Im going to look it up really quick hold up
@BlondeVoyage12
@BlondeVoyage12 Ай бұрын
Low parry tier list
@Topgamer357
@Topgamer357 Ай бұрын
That's an interesting idea
@Doublejho
@Doublejho Ай бұрын
i'd bet nina and king would be in the top 3
@marioster2
@marioster2 Ай бұрын
I think that’s been made but I could be wrong. The list is a lil skewed now more so since I think Joe crush showed he could get half life off a low parry
@w_smith_1990
@w_smith_1990 Ай бұрын
Another excellent lesson from Mishima complex
@Kibzzzzz
@Kibzzzzz Ай бұрын
I appreciate the effort you put into these, acknowledging that some people will just skip to the list lol. Great vid
@mccollio0909
@mccollio0909 Ай бұрын
You're putting up top content all the time, keep it up!
@Wuuj_
@Wuuj_ Ай бұрын
i think you forgot about hwoarang's 2f3, which has terrible range but its got it's uses and does more damage then the 12 string
@daemonrec8817
@daemonrec8817 Ай бұрын
Commented the same thing a while back. Strange it wasn't included
@sudharsanana4442
@sudharsanana4442 Ай бұрын
Lili's 2,4 has a very bad range tho... Jin's 2,4 is definitely better than Lili's
@Dr.Happy11
@Dr.Happy11 Ай бұрын
"he needs it" ⚰️
@notyourbaby4978
@notyourbaby4978 Ай бұрын
Another quality vid from a good content creator! Here's another idea for this kind of content: Best heat engager or best heat smash. Keep it up!
@sly_tk8463
@sly_tk8463 Ай бұрын
Lee has easily the best i10 punish in the game. He should be in "OP" tier imo.
@marshawn_ing
@marshawn_ing Ай бұрын
Despite saying he’s treating it as if there’s perfect execution involved, I think he may have still considered its execution barrier for the tier list at the end Should most definitely be top 1 with perfect execution
@sunnyerizawaYT
@sunnyerizawaYT Ай бұрын
he literally said that lee 10f punish takes execution to be reliable 03:14 ..... thats why its not in op tier
@odkgame693
@odkgame693 Ай бұрын
i10 wallsplat punish is stronger than acid rain. Also lee has shortest jab in the game that cant reliably reach every -10
@Keikeijay
@Keikeijay Ай бұрын
@@odkgame693Source? Because I can’t imagine Lee having a worse jab than Devil Jin
@Shirikatsu
@Shirikatsu Ай бұрын
​@@Keikeijay I have no idea about either but source is literally practice mode
@redline841
@redline841 Ай бұрын
Why lock the data behind discord? No Google doc or PDF?
@Cherilyn_45
@Cherilyn_45 Ай бұрын
Very informative as always! Thank you so much. Btw, what's the bgm? It reminds me of walkyrie profile...
@beshlawi
@beshlawi Ай бұрын
most damage (no heat) #1 is yoshi because after NSS 1,1 dash f+1+2 is guaranteed and just before the wall he can get d222
@QuiksilverX7
@QuiksilverX7 Ай бұрын
First Xenoblade, now some Final Fantasy 7 music? You gotta drop that 🔥 music playlist.
@Nerevaar
@Nerevaar Ай бұрын
Some slight remarks - Leo players often go for 1,2 instead of 1,4 when they're not sure if they can punish in time, 1,2 doing even less damage - Hwoarang can go for 2,f4 instead of 1,2,(3 or 4) for a bit more damage
@tableprinterdoor
@tableprinterdoor Ай бұрын
Lars’ basically guarantees a mixup on hit, if they duck it’s a launch with orbital
@Majxd95
@Majxd95 Ай бұрын
Loved the vid
@daemonrec8817
@daemonrec8817 Ай бұрын
What about Hwoarang's 2,F3?
@KR0WFGC
@KR0WFGC Ай бұрын
You can choose to not go into crouch dash when using 2,4 on Raven by holding back.
@thecpu3949
@thecpu3949 Ай бұрын
I like how going into the new game Asuka's 10f punish improved from a jab to... jab and a wacky low kick lmao. Just keep jabbing at this point, +8 is so much more to work with than few more points of damage and return to neutral.
@Dr.Happy11
@Dr.Happy11 Ай бұрын
that was T7 season 5. Asuka got those new tactics and brought them over to 8.
@eckysgaming
@eckysgaming Ай бұрын
If you count heat (Jack/Feng) then wouldn't Lars have an A+ i10 punish ? The mixup is guaranteed since he's +8 it's between a 35 damage low and a 70+ damage launcher and the opponent can only guess even if they guess correctly Lars don't die from both option the low is only -12 while the mid launcher is safe
@blech2217
@blech2217 Ай бұрын
Lest goo 🔥
@doppe7186
@doppe7186 Ай бұрын
didnt see hwo 2 f3 which does 24 damage and leaves him at a slight advantage other than that great vid
@chimakalu41
@chimakalu41 Ай бұрын
2:35 yoshi NSS. I did not know his sword came out with the 1, 1 command
@shindig9000
@shindig9000 Ай бұрын
Love it
@richardmartinez5109
@richardmartinez5109 Ай бұрын
Paul on Top once again 💪🦅
@dylridders
@dylridders Ай бұрын
Azu 1,2 deserves a spot higher I think. You can go into back turned mix ups with plus 8 and it wall splats for a full combo
@MiejscowyPan
@MiejscowyPan Ай бұрын
Azucena has one more i10 punish 2,1 20 dmg +6 which is maybe not the best, but still an option depending on what you want (1,1 stance, 1,2 dmg + wall splat, 2,1 + frames without stance)
@localgenshinplayer50
@localgenshinplayer50 Ай бұрын
Lili's frame advantage was +24 though while Zafina's was +22?
@HeartPliz
@HeartPliz Ай бұрын
TIL jack has a i10 heat smash. Has anyone done a list of all the heat smash? Thats nuts. Lmao
@MaskedGuyCh
@MaskedGuyCh Ай бұрын
2:19 Jin's 10f punisher also wall-splats, you missed that (which is odd considering you counted wall-crush which is weaker than wall-splat). I think Jun's uf1 also wall-splats, as well as Azucena's 1,2, and Yoshi's 1,1 in NSS (or in heat).
@DjGaiden
@DjGaiden Ай бұрын
Is there a way to calculate the best sidewalk?
@TheDocbach
@TheDocbach Ай бұрын
Eh... maybe... but just to put it simple... Lilli.
@blazaybla22
@blazaybla22 11 күн бұрын
Nina’s 23 isn’t a good punisher obviously but could be mentioned as like an addendum in terms of interrupting strings if you’re calling out a delay mixup or whatever, since the 2 into the knee and stomach lock is a combo on counter hit. I forget the guaranteed damage but I know if you win the 50/50 you can get up to 62 damage if you do the powered up 1 break (for whatever reason out of the ws3 and 23 the damage is reversed from doing the normal grab chain, ie the 1 break does more than the 2)
@adamyohan
@adamyohan Ай бұрын
Hell yeah
@reirei_tk
@reirei_tk Ай бұрын
It's hilairous that asuka's used to be even worse LMAO (every follow-up used to not be guaranteed). Edit: her CH 1,2,4 used to be strong, but not as much in this one
@itsmeshady1770
@itsmeshady1770 Ай бұрын
I feel like Nina’s 1,2 is insane as despite its low damage, it opens her up to run her side step 1 shenanigans and snowball into so much damage.
@makeomengreatagain
@makeomengreatagain Ай бұрын
They still did not fix 112 wiffing on hit even after mentioning it in patch notes
@ericchicas805
@ericchicas805 Ай бұрын
Doesn't law have a 10f heat engager of his 111?
@coldsixthousand1
@coldsixthousand1 Ай бұрын
Only guaranteed on counter hit, not as a punish, same thing with Bryan and Dragunov.
@noobslayer1196
@noobslayer1196 Ай бұрын
Yay!!! 🥰
@Countdownsmiles
@Countdownsmiles Ай бұрын
Is there something i'm missing about Kazuya's 112? Like i know it's good but i don't know by what metric it's top 4 in the game, when top 1 is Jack 8's heat smash lol
@AsshatRSA
@AsshatRSA Ай бұрын
Knocksdown close to you (a pretty big deal considering kazuyas 50/50), it ends in a mid instead of a high that someone can duck and luanch and last hit is confirmable.
@Countdownsmiles
@Countdownsmiles Ай бұрын
@@AsshatRSA Is it ever worth using the alternate in heat mode, where you pass through the opponent? The obvious would be when your back is to the wall but even the normal 112 is essentially getting you out of the corner
@AsshatRSA
@AsshatRSA Ай бұрын
​@@Countdownsmiles if you need 10 more damage to kill otherwise hell nah not even for the side switch.
@Kovar99YT
@Kovar99YT Ай бұрын
As an asuka main her 10F Punish Feels like starting up a Car in the Cold, JUST THROW THE DAMN KICK 🦵, she be taking forever to throw the kick and most of the time it gets parried
@ryanphan7433
@ryanphan7433 Ай бұрын
Is Devil Jin 124 in the equation or is it just considered useless
@yharnamsunrise9528
@yharnamsunrise9528 Ай бұрын
A video like this for everyone's while standing punishment would be interesting too
@doppe7186
@doppe7186 Ай бұрын
You missed hwoarang 2,f3 which does 23 damage and leaves him at plus 9 albeit with a lot of pushback
@queencard97
@queencard97 Ай бұрын
I think xiaoyu could be a tier above solely for the ability to transition into HYP stance and being +9, its specially more dangerous if she's in heat coz she has the best option in HYP when she's in heat.
@ChestyMcGee
@ChestyMcGee Ай бұрын
i know you specifically said you're not factoring range into this equation but raven's i10 range/hitbox is pretty much broken and just fails to connect sometimes lol
@sapphirus217
@sapphirus217 Ай бұрын
Bro make the same idea with tier list maker e longer video
@Doublejho
@Doublejho Ай бұрын
1:59 if reina is +14 here, does she get a free d/f+1, 1+2?
@Napstablooky
@Napstablooky Ай бұрын
It's +14g so they are able to block after, same with Zafina's +22
@Doublejho
@Doublejho Ай бұрын
@@Napstablooky ohhh i see, okay, so that's what g means as far as frames are concerned, thanks
@playertwoeightfourninezero4236
@playertwoeightfourninezero4236 Ай бұрын
I think eddy has a very good 10 punish. He can end it either in handstand or relax which will force a 50/50. Even though I could do a more damaging punish (other than a launcher), I prefer his 10 punish due to the 50/50.
@artembochkarev6285
@artembochkarev6285 Ай бұрын
It doesnt force 50/50, negativa can be backdashed after punish so hell sweep will have no clean hit, and hand stance need charges to even have mixup in a first place. Also punish that force really bad risk/reward stance is sux.
@playertwoeightfourninezero4236
@playertwoeightfourninezero4236 Ай бұрын
@@artembochkarev6285 from negativa you have a few low options. Even though the 2nd hit from the hell sweep won’t hit, the first one will which is added damage. 2nd option is just a regular low hit which will also add extra damage. And the 3rd option is a 40 dmg throw (technically not a hit but ducking is it’s counter other than breaking it. As for the handstand , I use this option if I have some charges but the throw is also an option if you don’t have any. This throw does wall splat as well. Also playing eddy means playing a 50/50 game since he lacks in poking, strings, etc.
@pureOwarrior
@pureOwarrior Ай бұрын
Why can’t my opponent sidestep if i am +5?
@squiddyseut6103
@squiddyseut6103 Ай бұрын
General rule of thumb is that if you are -4 or less you can dodge moves by sidewalking. -5 or more tends to not work
@CosmicVoid420
@CosmicVoid420 Ай бұрын
It's more to do with the hit boxes of the moves than the frames. You can sidewalk if you are at -9 if they do slow moves with bad tracking. The opponent may even be inclined to do slower moves when they are plus giving you more time to step. For example even when Reina is +8 you can still step right her HW2. So there is no hard rule it's a case by case type of thing.
@maaramori3404
@maaramori3404 Ай бұрын
Jun gets good situation after uf1 only against the wall. Otherwise it knocks your opponent too far away
@sorataakihiko4875
@sorataakihiko4875 Ай бұрын
someday... someday... i ll get an actually i10 punish xD (Asuka main)
@madhavmandava
@madhavmandava Ай бұрын
As long as feng is still A list, I'm ok with that 😁
@BuckshotBill118
@BuckshotBill118 Ай бұрын
Honestly, in many situations, NSS Flash is better to go for, even if you have to dash up for it. 8 frame punish that full launches.
@chimakalu41
@chimakalu41 Ай бұрын
3:39 yoshi good damage by nss with no heat.
@thomasschmidt1452
@thomasschmidt1452 Ай бұрын
Disagree about Law and Xiaoyu. Law has average damage but can go into dss into his infinite pressure. Xiaoyu has shit damage but she can go into two stances by choice or stace in a neutral stance. Although the frame advantage isn't great but it's above average. So her best ch launcher is uninterruptable. Ans also, her jabs has a follow-up launcher for a nice damage - so no one will ever try to challenge it and almost any move can be done.
@chimakalu41
@chimakalu41 Ай бұрын
1:26 1,1 on yoshi.👍🏾
@xavdervish4460
@xavdervish4460 Ай бұрын
heat engager tier list
@TomiokaGiyuus97
@TomiokaGiyuus97 Ай бұрын
kazooyers may have a ton of hit box issues and bugs but asuka is still actual poo at everything so it seems. i seem to hear less complaints about her which is nice. asuka mains are goated imo lol i always enjoy your data analytics and your videos in general!!
@thoraero
@thoraero Ай бұрын
So Asuka just didn't learn Kazama's style that well? I previously assumed that Jun's i10 punish was similarly bad.
@ragnarok7452
@ragnarok7452 Ай бұрын
Well tbh she is portrays as someone who is inexperienced going by lore. And her moves do reflect that. Like on ff2 whiff, animation shows she is somewhat clumsy. In endings she has been shown to be schooled by Feng. On the other hand, Juns moves look more elegant and refined. She is also portrayed as really strong in the lore.
@AidenCosta-ze4mr
@AidenCosta-ze4mr Ай бұрын
On a counter hit the bears are probably the best bet yeah otherwise definitely Lee
@azazel7505
@azazel7505 Ай бұрын
Asuka players really have to play the game with Dragon Ball-esque training weights
@sakurablade333
@sakurablade333 Ай бұрын
Yet I main her and just got into orange ranks…. My other characters can’t climb to orange. I must be insane or a sucker for pain!
@bussdownPIMP
@bussdownPIMP Ай бұрын
​@@sakurablade333 lol lmao
@ragnarok7452
@ragnarok7452 Ай бұрын
​@@sakurablade333If you want easier characters at those ranks. Try Victor, Eddy, Jin, Bears, Alisa, Lars, Law, Jun and a few more.
@RisingJericho
@RisingJericho Ай бұрын
Would you believe her punish used to be worse?
@azazel7505
@azazel7505 Ай бұрын
@@RisingJericho yea I remember, the only character to not have a 10 frame punish XP
@laracroft2889
@laracroft2889 Ай бұрын
I think what would have also been interesting to take into account is the frame disadvantage on block if you "miss" the punish and execute it too late. Yes some characters have great 10f punishers but if they miss it they might take the risk of being -12 (Black Fist combo) or even launch punishable. That can clearly deter some players from actually using them or making them hesitant to use them and arguably make them miss the punish even more. It seems that even at very high level of play considering Phidx's various analyses of gameplay that sometimes tournament players don't always "risk the punish".
@toktar00
@toktar00 Ай бұрын
I always told my friends that Yoshimitsus 1,1 is just plain broken. If in NSS it not only does more dmg but ALSO HEALS YOSHI. This is some nonsense and it literally makes Yoshi one of the most effective characters when not knowing the match up, because 1,1 always pays off in NSS / Heat.
@strykah92
@strykah92 Ай бұрын
What would knowing the matchup or not have to do with it? Going into NSS always gave Yoshi a stronger i10 punish even before T8 since NSS 2,1 used to be i10. Did you only play vs Yoshis who only mashed b111111 after a -10 move or something? 🤷‍♂️
@MiddleEasternBorder
@MiddleEasternBorder Ай бұрын
Jack is #1 * puts him in C tier 😆
@UmoralCaratol
@UmoralCaratol Ай бұрын
Lilis 24 punish unreliable due to range
@ClamTheClammy
@ClamTheClammy Ай бұрын
Im surprised dragunov is C tier
@sillysmy
@sillysmy Ай бұрын
My character is actual poo.
@TOAST-FACEKILLAH
@TOAST-FACEKILLAH Ай бұрын
Buff hwoarang
@Tekkenandgaming
@Tekkenandgaming Ай бұрын
Does anyone have the problem of not finding anyone fun to play?? Ive tried almost all and they are all just mehh
@IWantToStayAtYourHouse
@IWantToStayAtYourHouse Ай бұрын
Try Lee bro. After trying out a bunch of characters hes the only character that clicked for me
@hoa5419
@hoa5419 Ай бұрын
Guess you are just burnt out bro , try doing other thing
@Tekkenandgaming
@Tekkenandgaming Ай бұрын
@@hoa5419 yea you might be right.
@stuffies3841
@stuffies3841 Ай бұрын
The explanations be ruining the video lol
@IWantToStayAtYourHouse
@IWantToStayAtYourHouse Ай бұрын
Would you say Lee's acid rain is number 1 then if you have perfect execution? I can do acid rain like 95% of the time. I find i basically delete opponents hp if they keep using unsafe moves. I feel like he should be in OP tier
@odkgame693
@odkgame693 Ай бұрын
You can do it 99.99% of time but at the final final round in the tournament you will drop it when it should kill and lose the game.
@angquangnguyenthac2833
@angquangnguyenthac2833 Ай бұрын
King's blue spark iSW is probably the best 10f punish in the game if you can handle the execution. But it's not easy to actually imput it.
@odkgame693
@odkgame693 Ай бұрын
@@angquangnguyenthac2833 the only thing that you can punish with it is powercrush. So it's doesnt count
@odkgame693
@odkgame693 Ай бұрын
@@angquangnguyenthac2833 can you prove that isw break window is smaller on punish?
@IWantToStayAtYourHouse
@IWantToStayAtYourHouse Ай бұрын
@@angquangnguyenthac2833 Its not really a punish if its not guaranteed
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