$10k Coyote vs LS3 Shootout - The Build

[@danielbargas3377]

Ls3 Simplicity Best bang for your buck Proven for years

[@johnsteil9245]

I agree for the time being. The LS has been around for far longer than the Coyote and I think that helps the LS with the 'bang for the buck' aspect. Spending 1/3 of available cash for a used Coyote block possibly took up a lot of what 'could have been'. Only time will tell how much potential the Coyote has.

[@QSpeedRacer]

+john steil they should did LT1 then..

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

*Push-Rod Chevys* *Cheap and Simple*

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

@@mewrongwayKOCXF - Ford's High Performance engines are far more POWER DENSE than Chevy's Push-Rod Shit

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

@@mewrongwayKOCXF - Mustang Sales Killed Camaro Sales in 2018 - Case Closed

[@robertclymer6948]

I was really surprised on the LS-3 block price! Being a Ford guy, I still love the LS-3 engine and believe it is one of the finest motors GM designed.

[@kirbyvanduzer6565]

I’ve heard from a lot of people that the ls was designed by Ford someone told me it was originally designed for Jack roush but they dropped it for the modular design if that’s true it’s a Ford design and Chevy is just taking credit for it I’m also a Ford guy but I’m starting to see Ford durability in the ls engine you look at all the other Chevy engines they suck they are very poorly built

[@Otto_von_Chesterfield]

Literally here just to see a good comparison and in the comments fanboys are raging.

[@BalrogUdun]

IKR

[@hardball107]

The Ford 5L is a good motor if you have the money and room but from a practical point of view the LS wins hands down. I'm a builder and have done a half dozen LS engines for friends dropping them into various vehicles, mostly swaps and there are literally millions of them out there. When you can go to the junk yard for $500 and buy a good used engine with harness, clean it up, bolt in a few go fast goodies for another $500, do a harness upgrade, reflash and install a high pressure fuel pump and Corvette fuel filter/regulator for another $500, exhaust, mounts, cooling and misc. for $500, you've swapped in a modern, fuel injected, 350-400 hp engine with tons of performance and driveability for less than $2500 all in and all fun. You can't buy a Coyote for less than 5 Grand that I've seen and I have a friend that did swap one into a '67 Mustang, major problems with size and the expense involved. A good motor just not for the masses ..............

[@85MasterV]

It's easy to build a junkyard SBF Windsor for $2500, why people pay $8k for an LS crate engine is still retarded.. seems like its mostly kids that don't know how to build anything

[@meifert2]

Ken Fischmann yeah...most LS swaps are not LS engines but the 530 pound LQ engine. that kills the balance on most swaps.

[@darleneamaro4389]

Mmm hmmm sure lol

[@mb-rs6pk]

What fast goodies are you buy in for 500?

[@SilverRaven1959]

Based on what...the millions of junk Yard LS Motors...Jesus you guys are full of Shit. Put the 5.3 against the 5.0 and see where it gets you...we all know the outcome but no one wants that test!!!

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

UPDATE: The Coyote has been dyno-tested. Working on the video and part 2 of the article now. LS Dyno Results have been posted --> www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/ We are sorry for how long this has taken. We had experienced some oil pressure issues which are NOW resolved. But we were on the dyno and had the issue, had to rebuild the engine and then reschedule the dyno session.

[@soadous]

+Power Automedia you guys should have done the cobrajet inake for the coyote. no loss of torque and a higher rpm redline

[@dubyatf3827]

+Power Automedia LS engine loses since it had to be built twice!

[@austincampbell7243]

+dubya TF the coyote had to be built twice not the LS. Not to mention they had to buy a junkyard coyote block and bought a new LS for less money.

[@danwitherow9708]

+Austin Campbell Its crazy that they charge that much for a junk yard motor, they were better off going to an auction and buying the entire truck/car for that. But it makes sense the LS has been around for ever so they are a dime a dozen. The coyote is relatively new so they are going to be harder to come by and more sought after.

[@kronikally420]

+Power Automedia Testing has been done, LS coils were better than MSD.

[@ADR3NALIN31287]

i think you handicapped the ls3 by using new parts vs the used f150 parts. for 10k you could get way more out of the ls3.

[@ksnapp]

+ADR3NALIN31287 Good point

[@Tiovergudo]

Great point. Now imagine using a used truck block for the LS build. More money for HP.

[@mfnbigdaddy73]

They had to help the ford out like always. Its the only way they can compete.

[@meifert2]

They went with stupid shit on the Coyote to hinder it's power.

[@meifert2]

gripking131313 I know. They did it on purpose to push the LS. It's what happens when GM is your biggest donor

[@davisspeedshop2031]

coyote motor would be prime for hitting crowds on a budget

[@chrismaraccini9932]

The sad part is you got 30 likes for this lame ass comment. Congrats

[@ghostex200]

CeRSeI 5oh triggered

[@deeremeyer1749]

On a budget? What kind of a fucking budget? Its a modular Ford. There's nothing "budget" about it.

[@BobbyOfEarth]

Total waste of budget for the Ford engine... I can see the bottle neck in the parts list reflected by the 5.0 takeout truck engine with 9:1 compression heads? ...while the LS has CNC ported heads?

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

*Chevy's Push-Rod V8* *Same Shit Different Day*

[@91Wildcat700]

So yea part 2 would be awesome

[@brianmartinez3234]

still waiting *cricket chirps*

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

+97jag440 So far we have final results from the LS3. The Coyote engine has been tested, but a few more tweaks need to be made: www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/

[@redneckrevolt1]

@@PowerPerformanceKZbin😂😂

[@subjectmatterexperts2550]

I had a 96 mustang Gt in high school pretty much stock other than exhaust. It came with the 4.6 v8 rated at 275hp I believe. Those 5.7 LS1's out of the 98-2002 camaros and trans- ams gave me the blues! Im talking all factory cars, I never stood a chance. Needless to say Ive moved over to the dark side of the force. LS all the way baby. lol.

[@datrumakboy1020]

A 96 gt had like 215 crank hp

[@marks7494]

Hey can you guys weigh them as built as part of the comparison?

[@brycepalombo3543]

I was going to ask the same thing lol

[@marks7494]

Bryce Pal yeah i was surprised at how small the ls is. Got to be quite a bit lighter.

[@brycepalombo3543]

youd hope so lol

[@ChuckBeefOG]

LS is lighter, i would guess at least 30 lbs.

[@NickThePilotUSA]

+Gilbert McGillicutty 18 pounds

[@CarsAndSodaBars]

The Coyote motor is huge compared to the LS3 0:41

[@HappieFaith]

Because of the overhead cams

[@mikesamra9126]

I'm a Ford guy by nature and I teach automotive electronics and emissions and where many fall into the perrineal Ford vs Chevy battle,I say both engines are spectacular and are head and shoulders above the rice boxes.. GO USA!

[@177SCmaro]

+Mike Samra Hey now, some of those "rice boxes" can put down some pretty impressive numbers for no bigger then they are.

[@meyawabdulaziz3863]

+177SCmaro indeed

[@mikesamra9126]

177SCmaro Yes but we have the ecoboost 4cyl and the V6 Ecoboost that is 3.5L going in the Ford GT which makes over 700hp so that ain't too shabby neither.You can build a Chevy or Ford power plant for a lot less money than the foreign competition.

[@177SCmaro]

Mike Samra Who's "we"? And, yeah, in general, domestic stuff, especially the old stuff, costs less dollar for horsepower. But just like a lot of import guys bragging about horsepower per liter, at the end of the day, an engine doesn't care. It also don't care what name is on the valve cover or how much money you spent making a shit-zillion horsepower, it just want's to go fast, right? That's what it's all about.

[@meyawabdulaziz3863]

177SCmaro i think the ecoboost 2.0 , 2.4 and v6 3.5 are designed in europ and manufactured in Valencia ,Spain

[@wheeledrides4144]

This should be a good one! I can't wait to see how the next video comes out!

[@SoFLaZ06]

Part 2 would be cool, when's that coming m8

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

+SoFLaZ06 In due time, thanks for watching and stay tuned!

[@Strunz0]

I like how one of the "rules" was not to use a truck block because the LS engine would have an advantage in the price arena, but then you made an exception for the Coyote. I also wish they would have used a 5.3 engine to show that a OHV engine can put down some respectable power and no one could say "the 6.2 has waaayyyy more displacement"

[@Mang213]

+Rob Galles thank you for this post. I'm getting tired of these dohc guys running their yap all day. The 5.3 can hang

[@Haulass95gt]

Except they paid 3 grand for a coyote that can be found in a ton of F-150s for 1000-1500 and can handle 800 hp already. Then they put $1600 pistons in it....this entire comparison is stupid and benefits the chevy already.

[@tgc281]

I bought my truck coyote and installed gt cams for 2k

[@SilverRaven1959]

You sir are a Genius...simple and they don't even get it. The internals on that Coyote had nothing wrong with them. This whole thing is a BS GM Fest so they can say they win. only an IDIOT can't see that a 6.2 with after market internals and aftermarket heads is not a fair comparison. Just boost both of em at 12-15 PSI and see where that power advantage goes...really fast on the Coyote side!!!

[@SilverRaven1959]

LOLOL I know, yet these clowns cant build a FORD the right way!!!

[@Rendezvous70]

Jegs ..Ls 376 iron with aluminum heads crate motor $7050 430 hp. Coyote 302 aluminum crate motor $6800 435 hp seems like the the coyote is lighter same power with smaller displacement & a better deal. Both on jegs

[@uptownsamcv]

i prefer the simplicity of the LS3 as well as the huge aftermarket plus great reputation. i drive a tow truck and i rarely see any LS cars having any trouble. worst i have seen is a bad water pump and i have seen a few alternators go out.

[@dimmacommunication]

samuel lopes that's why somebody say " LS swap everything"

[@SilverRaven1959]

LOLOL Get your head out of the sand...steady tic, smoking, worn out to fast and just cant put HP down like a Coyote. This test is built around uneducated people!!

[@WhoThisGuy515]

Yeah, I work on GM stuff all the time and i have seen quite a few LS engine failures. Dropped valves, rod in the oil pan, timing failure.

[@jonpeterson5534]

have you seen any oil pump failures? high pressure valve getting stuck in LS3 motors

[@nobodyspecial313]

HP/CI is a stupid measurement. Consider that the coyote will be running at a higher rpm, flowing more air, when it makes it's peak power in comparison to the slower turning LS. If you're flowing more air, you're also burning more fuel. Even though the Coyote has a smaller displacement, it is likely using that displacement less efficiently than the LS. If you really want to compare volumetric efficiency, compare. HP/(CI*RPM) not HP/CI. A more useful measurement is which makes more horsepower per lb? I could put a 19L cummins in my car that makes 700hp, but it wouldn't do me any good since it weighs 2 tons.

[@michaelfloydwright]

Great video, looking forward to the next one.

[@PMitchell106]

2 months later... Are you releasing part 2 or going out of business?

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

+PMitchell106 UPDATE: The Coyote has been dyno-tested. Working on the video and part 2 of the article now. LS Dyno Results have been posted --> www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/ We are sorry for how long this has taken. We had experienced some oil pressure issues which are NOW resolved. But we were on the dyno and had the issue, had to rebuild the engine and then reschedule the dyno session.

[@SilverRaven1959]

Your a farce...let some Ford guys do this test or just stroke the Coyote to 5.8 Liters...Your LSX test is designed around the GM Crowd...sad like a Peta-file.

[@HaynesJP]

Rabbi Schlomo really? Lets compare sales of the Mustang against the Corvette and Camaro.

[@HaynesJP]

Rabbi Schlomo how many of those are still around...I’ll wait.

[@SilverRaven1959]

Like a pedafile your going back to 50's and early 60's....and yes Mustang has out sold Camaro 3-1 forever and Corvette is not even close. The problem with you GM guys is you only look at your video and keep in touch with your own. NOT UP TO DATE!!!

[@Ichibuns]

LS376 is the LS3 with a few factory upgrades. Cost less than 10k and make 525 HP

[@tjcook9464]

Gregory Kanniard The fuel injected ls376/525 costs a little over 10k. The carbureted ls376/515 is a little under 10k.

[@rudyleon7321]

yea id stick with a 383 can make same hp under 10k including the block

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

UPDATE: For all of you that have been patiently waiting for Part 2, here's the link to the showdown and results. Enjoy and thanks for watching! kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXfOgKxme5qbfck

[@smackledorfmcsween]

You took a 5.0 out of a f-150 and compared it to an engine that has a extra 1.2L of displacement, picked conditions that favored the L's engine and crowned it the winner. So, um....WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU USE THE 6.2 THAT CAME IN THE F-150? I mean seriously, wtf is this? It's up 1.2 liters of displacement, of course its gonna make more power and torque. 6.2 sohc "takeout"= $2-2.7k. You paid 3k for a 5.0 truck engine? This is complete bullshit. Compare shit equally. What's wrong with people now and days? That's the thing though, you could've just re-ringed the Ford 6.2 and had custom cams ground and came out waaaaayyyy cheaper, but- then ford would've won something, and we can't have that now can we?

[@ND4SPDspecV]

I can't believe I'm standing up for the ford motor buuuuuttttttt.... the coyote may be down 1.2L of displacement but it also has twice as many valves and four times as many cam shafts as the LS3 and revs a solid 1k rpm higher. The 5.0 is what ford put in their muscle car, the LS3 is what Chevy put in theirs. Stock for stock in those applications they're within 10hp of each other. Sounds like dramatic butt hurt ford fan boy excuses to me

[@jasonalvarado2819]

Typical Chevy fanboy BS. Nothing else. Been happening for years.......Camaro vs Mustang for years was 5.7 vs 5.0 and they cheer when the Camaro wins by the plaque on its teeth. Whatever

[@ND4SPDspecV]

+Jason Alvarado riveting argument Jason you must have been on the debate team back in school... since when was displacement the only factor taken into account when determining how "equal" two engines are or are not? Despite what Dominic Toretto may have "taught" you, there are many replacements for displacement... forced induction, direct injection, increased compression ratios ect. No fan boying in my argument bruh just facts and common sense

[@jasonalvarado2819]

My man, I was actually commenting on the video itself, not your post but OK. If you notice, I said Camaro v Mustang not Chevy engine build v Ford engine build. Throughout the 90s it was a pushrod 5.0 Windsor v the pushrod 350 when the 351 was readily available and only came in the Cobra R. In these cases, it really did come down to just displacement. Been a student of this for many years man, don't need movies....

[@briand.1694]

Great! Make a video with no follow-up to find out the results of the builds. BRILLIANT!

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

+Brian D. It is currently in the works. Stay tuned!

[@Dave_Menz_p4p_number_1]

ridiculous watched 5 mins for nothing,

[@408SPLKINGS]

@@Dave_Menz_p4p_number_1 5 minutes of nothing & $3000 for a engine your gonna junk 90 % of...I hear crickets

[@spillow762]

This is probably what will answer the Camaro VS Mustang question to a lot of people. Hope to see Part 2 soon!

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

+ TheAndrey Here's the link to Part 2! kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXfOgKxme5qbfck

[@65elcamino283]

good stuff. looking forward to the dyno sessions. I know i'll eventually have to rebuild my motor down the road (hopefully not till WAY down the road) so very interested to see how a built coyote performs.

[@bmeyer40]

Not bad. Curious to see the results. Would liked to have seen a used ls3 block so you could spend more on induction setup.

[@thephranc]

Should have used a seasoned LS block too and put the money into more power.

[@408SPLKINGS]

Yeah bcuz you dumbass spent $3000 on a used engine your gonna throw away 90% of smart move glad you dont run this country

[@408SPLKINGS]

@Zo Fryer bored, honed, machined cylinders, polish crank & rods, balanced assembly myself. It was a waste of money what they did is what your not understanding

[@408SPLKINGS]

@Zo Fryer I think so. Coyote are awsome engines no doubt but not as common in junk yards. Using only a block from junk yard is fool hearty I don't see the value unless it's a super rare engine.

[@408SPLKINGS]

@Zo Fryer yeah agreed, flat plane VooDoo engines sound awsome & by design just rev higher & smoother & capable of building very linear power thru out the power band. Many engine manufacturers are moving to flat plane & cross plane for these reasons.

[@jimdavidson5208]

Don't see many people complaining about the mismatched cam specs either. Listed cam spec was 0.617" and 0.624"range for the Chubby and 0.492" and 0.452"" for the Ford. Apples to cinder blocks. The displacement of 6.2l to 5l is waaay off too.

[@AhmedAlsarraf]

5.0 more powerful , best inlet cfm modern engine but i love lsx because its simple

[@Artchred]

The fact the the LS3 is 30% smaller in size. It wins

[@JohnnyRebKy]

Artchred tape measure size. The LS3 has quite a bit more displacement. What is it...376 cubic inches or so?? No question the LS3 will put down more power. The old saying still stands...no replacement for displacement”. However I have a F150 truck with the 5.0 coyote that puts down 380lbs of torque at 4200rpm STOCK. I find it odd they increased the torque by 10-15 pounds over stock with 10k dollars LOL. I’m no Ford fan boy...drove Chevy my entire life and my F150 is my first Ford...still got my Silverado. But something stinks about their final results. They made good torque improvement in the LS ( no surprise) but only 15 more pounds on the Ford ????

[@177SCmaro]

JohnnyRebKy Don't judge the 5.0 too harshly. You have to keep in mind it's a modern, high flow, high efficiency 4 valve engine out of the box. That means it's difficult to improve on. At 380lb/ft of torque from just 5L that's 78lb/ft per liter. The LS3 at 425lb/ft of torque from 6.2L is 68.6lb/ft per liter. If the 5.0 was as large as the LS3 it would be making over 480lb/ft of torque out of the box, before any improvement.

[@JohnnyRebKy]

If you took the time to actually READ my comment you would see I said the same thing. I am a big fan of the Coyote. If the same size the coyote would murder the GM.

[@177SCmaro]

JohnnyRebKy I wasn't being critical of you dude, just adding my 2 cents.

[@jeffcollop]

Loving the video production, thanks guys!

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

+Jeff Collop Thanks for watching and stay tuned for more!

[@alfonsoValle21]

+Power Automedia I want part 2 already

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

+alfonso valle we are working on it. We posted above - UPDATE: The Coyote has been dyno-tested. Working on the video and part 2 of the article now. LS Dyno Results have been posted --> www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/ We are sorry for how long this has taken. We had experienced some oil pressure issues which are NOW resolved. But we were on the dyno and had the issue, had to rebuild the engine and then reschedule the dyno session.

[@alfonsoValle21]

Awesome keep up the great work looking forward seeing the LS come out on top from the get go cough cough block

[@czarekaj1098]

ls3 hands down.

[@Cbarnes281Strkd]

Great video i personally like the LS3 but Ford Coyote is sick too...

[@JohnnyAnderson1]

Looks like they both lost? Still no Pt 2 or did I miss it?

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

+Fullforce LTX You didn't miss it. Here are the results after dyno testing: www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/

[@Likethetacosauce]

+Power Automedia u only put the ls3 on there or did I miss that?

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

slammedlyfe The Coyote has been tested and a video is in the works, which will include the results

[@Likethetacosauce]

+word to your mother haha yeah probably, ford as needing that little edge

[@Ishliss2012]

+word to your mother no oil pressure had to be rebuilt

[@AKDMB]

I know comp says you need phaser limiters for the stage 3 cams, but you really don't. Getting rid of the phaser limiters saves money and also allows for more VCT tuning making for better torque. I think the lockouts will kill torque on the coyote. Either way awesome comparison, glad to see all this info.

[@CamaroRick]

It really says alot when a used 5.0 block is still over twice the cost of the new ls3 block. Would prob suck ass to change the 5.0 cam setup compared to the lighter, more compact ls3.

[@ghunt81]

It wasn't a used block, it was an entire take-out engine.

[@CamaroRick]

Thats not bad used 6.0s with a lit of miles sell for near that around here. I missed that sorry

[@brochslanders1845]

This may be a silly question but here goes anyways. What does power per cubic inch or power per litre have to do with anything when it comes to going faster? I can see power per pound of the engine but what does the internal dimensions have to do with anything? Externally, physically, the small block chevy is smaller and lighter, a metric that equates to going faster on the race track (less weight=profit), not how much power it makes for the internal displacement of the engine. I've just always wondered that.

[@SuperSilvi1990]

awesome man thats bad ask. do you have problems getting in and out of it. i mean it's so low to the ground and all.

[@ElijahWash]

LS3 gonna have more TQ but the coyote might have more POWAAA!

[@alekssbelskis3544]

Stock the LS3 has more power and torque.

[@twinsandboost191]

@@alekssbelskis3544 no Lmaoo which coyote though ? Gen 3 coyote makes 460

[@alekssbelskis3544]

@@twinsandboost191 ls3 has 430hp, and an LS7 has 505hp.

[@twinsandboost191]

@@alekssbelskis3544 we’re talking about the ls3 here, and having an LS7 making 505 with 7 liters isn’t impressive. The Shelby gt350 motor makes more than that and it’s a 5.2….

[@Ws6Ms]

@@twinsandboost191 ls7 is underrated at 505 .. voodoo rpm isn't impressive when you can make a ls Rev as high

[@crispincurtis8585]

Kinda hard to beat a 4 valve head😎👍

[@chadjones7462]

I guess you can run fords with no heads? i seen the ls3 cnc ported heads on the build sheet with a price, but forgot to add the expensive dohc ford heads! Got to run them head less to keep it on the same price point. Would love to hear more about those bad ass "truck heads" that your running on that truck block?

[@serg2963]

Because the stock truck heads flow awesome. Stock for stock, the 5.3 can't touch the Coyote.

[@408SPLKINGS]

Stoner spent $3000 for a used engine hes already upside down on build no money for heads

[@177SCmaro]

Looks like it's going to be a battle between multi-valve airflow and raw displacement. I think the 5.0 may end up with more peak hp but I'll bet the LS ends up with better average numbers.

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

+177SCmaro Here are the results: www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/

[@177SCmaro]

Power Automedia Thanks, but I think you mean here are *half* of the results : ). Looking forward to the 5.0 results!

[@fightfanian]

nearly been 3 months, where is part two

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

+fightfanian UPDATE: The Coyote has been dyno-tested. Working on the video and part 2 of the article now. LS Dyno Results have been posted --> www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/ We are sorry for how long this has taken. We had experienced some oil pressure issues which are NOW resolved. But we were on the dyno and had the issue, had to rebuild the engine and then reschedule the dyno session.

[@kyle-de-man]

+Power Automedia You put over sized pistons in the coyote so that bumps the cubic volume which the rules were you couldn't?

[@kyle-de-man]

fightfanian Lol i dont care bout the engine size difference they made rules on there website that engine displacement couldn't be changed

[@1320horse]

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the heads diff on the f-150 5.0 than on the mustang coyote 5.0? And the ls3 gets CNC ported heads and the coyote gets as cast truck heads with no port work?

[@1320horse]

+Mark Gearhart I see, that's pretty cheap work on the ls heads I wish I could get decent CNC porting for that price. Of course mine are already CNC ported from trick flow so........😉

[@turbocamaro2213]

I feel you guys cheated by using a used coyote block. gotta take the cost of new into account if you're doing a price build vs. price build. No doubt the coyote is a pretty nice engine, but you can't beat the cost of LS new.

[@mfnbigdaddy73]

+Squigly Kimera They had to cheat to help those expensive ford coyote ohc engines out. ford cant compete with GM dollar for dollar !

[@MG1776-t9p]

+Squigly Kimera It is a price build. Both just under $10k. Let's wait and see the results for $10k before you go off speculating, whining and complaining.

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

+Squigly Kimera Both build teams could use new or used, with a Coyote we felt this was the most economical way to go for a core.

[@turbocamaro2213]

+Marshall Guillory There was no whining. Just an observation.

[@mfnbigdaddy73]

Power Automedia Could have gone the same route with the Chevy engine, and would have had more money to spend for more power.

[@bigdoo350]

how come the boss302 intake vs the stock ls3, I think the ls3 should have hi ram intake

[@alex369]

+88TransAmGTA No Fast 102 :(

[@bigdoo350]

+alex369 hi ram is better for hp, but not so good for hood clearance

[@bigdoo350]

+jeffgt3rs I know they broke the budget for the 5.0, they just not gonna say it. you have to have deep pockets for those motors. An stock bottom ls3 with H/C/I is 2x less to build, no need to touch ls3 bottom end, already built proof

[@bigdoo350]

+88TransAmGTA bullet*

[@DirtyGloveCJay]

There's not much more annoying than a watching a part #1 in anticipation of a part #2 maybe a week later, then 2 months later I'm still without a part #2.

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

+Johnta Pettis UPDATE: The Coyote has been dyno-tested. Working on the video and part 2 of the article now. LS Dyno Results have been posted --> www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/ We are sorry for how long this has taken. We had experienced some oil pressure issues which are NOW resolved. But we were on the dyno and had the issue, had to rebuild the engine and then reschedule the dyno session.

[@Laviathan50]

For HP/Cu.In. the Coyote will win imo. The LS is popular for swaps because: 1.) it has greater displacement in a smaller package (Due to having 1 single cam) so you can shove it in a Miata 2.) Its un-complicated due to using dated tech (i.e. pushrod) 3.) its cheap. The Coyote is: A) Much More Efficient due to its DOHC, and VVT ( this is why the motor is bigger) B) Superior technology B) is much more stout outta the box I think of it like comparing Turbo's to P.D. Superchargers. The Turbo, like the coyote, is: A) Much more efficient B) Can make a lot more power P.D. Superchargers are: A) Cheaper B) Less Complex C) Smaller packaging (Easier to install)

[@dexter2433]

so all remember a 6.2L ver a 5.0L

[@motonvipr]

I'll check in July if you guys finally made part 2. it is sad it's taken this long. :(

[@swflracing]

The ls3 is an old engine, the coyote fairly new. I'm glad ford has something to be proud of, I love the coyote motor too.it gets work done! I would hope the coyote wins, and I own a ls3. But I feel it should be compared to the new lt1 motor because they're the same generation kinda.Why feel proud for beating your grandpa in a foot race? Race your cousin to keep it fair :-D

[@kingz2871]

Well said this certainly won't be an apples to apples comparison. My monies on grandpa though he still got a little life in him.

[@sasouns]

how much do the lt1 motors go for?

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

+sasoun gaspar Here's the pricing for LT1 engines: www.chevrolet.com/performance/crate-engines/lt1.html

[@Purpose_Bilt]

+Power Automedia Figured they'd be expensive just because they're new for now.

[@daleostrom3613]

Aftermarket heads and 6.2 vs Stock heads and 5.0 (I would hope the LS would win)

[@408SPLKINGS]

Stock Coyote heads out breathe high end ported polished LS / LSX aftermarket heads.

[@soadous]

oommgg.. please make the video I cant wait anymore guys!!!

[@soadous]

+mistrot :((

[@soadous]

+mistrot r :(((

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

+mistrot r Video is being worked on and will be coming soon. Stay tuned and thanks for watching!

[@reidmurnan6708]

+Power Automedia how's the video coming along for us impatient people?

[@soadous]

its only been almost 4 months..

[@anthonylach8089]

OHV FTW!!!

[@matt-be8kt]

You guys can do all the videos you want. John Mihovetz already took a ford mod motor in the 5s. 5.88 to be exact with a 4.6 factory teksid block and 4v B heads. I dont see any LS motors touching 5s.

[@iant720]

This is funny because already you bought a new LS3 and a used Coyote. This is why these engines can't compare. And the LS3 is better in the real world.

[@6digitz]

Ditto. I stopped watching as soon as I noticed that. This entire article is irrelevant due to its apples:oranges comparison. Dollar for dollar you will not beat the LS. Buy a used LS and mod it with a $10k budget and the coyote wouldn't be close. Poor article by Power Automedia. I unfollow you forever due to your bias and/or ignorance

[@dylanzrim1011]

So by that logic I should favour one cam over four. Yeah that's why the best motors in the world are still running pushrods... oh wait they change the rods after every 1/4mile

[@dylanzrim1011]

p shasty buy a ford Barra turbo motor. Shits all over the LS series. Cheaper too. People call it a boat anchor. Well it's a boat anchor that eats LS for breakfast

[@dylanzrim1011]

Ian Thompson hell even 2.5litres of Nissan power is far better than an LS motor.

[@londoncustom1452]

Dylan Zrim I don't see any ford Barra turbos, or Nissan 2.5l making wards best engine list numerous times, while powering everything from work trucks to sports cars, drag cars, and transplanted into many import. It's one of the most widely used engines, if not the most widely used engine in swaps, it weighs little more than an inline 6, size wise is as compact as a inline4 turbo motor, and has renowned and proven durability. If it wasn't such a nice engine you think people would still be swapping them after 20 years? Now let's see how many Nissan 2.5l engines are getting swapped into cars 20 years from now.

[@2012omar302]

when is part 2 of this vid coming out ???

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

+2012omar302 Here are the results from the LS3 engine: www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/

[@speedlimit350mph]

sooo PART 2.....?

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

+Mr. Jay A We apologize for the wait, but here are the results from the engines after testing: www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/

[@carlsonthomas]

I didn't see the cost of the PCM. Will either engines be smog legal?

[@jameslandon4126]

When I wasn't looking, Dennis Quaid took a bite of my sandwich.

[@EGGINFOOLS]

How original

[@nickpalaroan8865]

+Jim Garrison Your lucky it wasnt David Hasselhoff.

[@trtlepwr]

really like this comparison. looking forward to the results. I'd like to see how they do under boost as well.

[@devinwermes9347]

So for the same amount of money you can have a used junkyard ford or a brand new forged ls3..uhh that's a no brainer leave that ford in the junkyard

[@fordfan7689]

+devin wermes It is a fully forged coyote block as well. It is just easier trying to buy a complete motor on a budget then trying to purchase everything you would need for the coyote.

[@robotron1236]

Devin Wermes the only place a Ford belongs!

[@teds4983]

Devin Wermes exactly

[@philllsxga.7737]

LMAO!!! Perfect!!!!

[@captainkaos754]

Ford coyote and boss engines were used here in Australia in the rubbish ford falcon which is the competitor to the vastly superior Holden commodore( chev Ss as you know them in the us) they were overwhelmingly outsold ten to one by ls powered commodores and hsv high performance versions. Even diehard ford dickheads don’t go near coyote crap.

[@GTX1123]

Somethings never change. Chevy still rules small blocks IMHO. I loved Chevy small blocks back when I grew up in the 70's and am still very happy with my 98 six speed Corvette I have now. Back then, GM, Ford and Mopar all had great big blocks but I'd have to give the edge to Mopar with big blocks. They had so many great muscle cars and motors - especially the 426 Hemi. But Chevy ruled small blocks. Parts were always plentiful, affordable and interchangeable.

[@AsaKnox]

I love how all the chevy girls are crying about how big in dimension the ford motor is vs the ls but they don't complain about that displacement advantage they get

[@seanbailey317]

Was the coyote 3000 then had to be machined? Did they include the machining costs?

[@joebutch4647]

I want to see hemi included in this build

[@JohnmillerPowerlifting]

good to see more, going for the coyote just now

[@Imaboss8ball]

3 grand for a used engine?

[@alexpowers9158]

David Serrano makes like 480 lol

[@408SPLKINGS]

He was high when he bought it or just plain stupid

[@ScrapyardFights]

so you guys changed the cams in the coyote but not the ls3??

[@Monificent]

did you watch the video?

[@SaTrickster]

Next ls1 vs 5.7 vvt hemi

[@top-notch9761]

that makes more sense to me, identical liters which of course is 5.7 or put up the ls3 or whatever 6.2 liter LS against the 6.2 liter hemi.

[@butteredbiskit3497]

but the hemi sucks....

[@JimBrodie]

Digging the score. Got the title for the first track please?

[@BLAZEDGODD]

ls3 strong and simple have to kill these motors and when you do parts are everywhere

[@markfrazier2575]

Are you EVERY going to test these engines?

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

+Mark Frazier The dyno sessions will be happening in due time. To learn more about these engines, check out our in-depth feature on each build: www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/tech-ls3-versus-coyote-budget-engine-shootout-building-the-ls3/

[@markfrazier2575]

When will the Dyno sessions happen?

[@williefinazzo6501]

so basically the Coyote is just a cam swap with a little clean up job and the ls3 gets heads cam coyote still going to win though

[@bigdoo350]

it's so expensive for Ford and it will go over budget

[@williambrown6620]

JRudolph

[@diyguy6054]

Nobody that knows what they are doing buys a brand new ls block like that. I could yank a lq4 with computer for $800. Get a balanced and forged rotating assembly for$2500. $500 at the machine shop. 500 for fasteners. Cam, heads, and intake. $1800. Injectors 1k. Or 500 if you go cheap. And 3k for me to Fab a turbo kit. That bitch would make 1500 all day everyday reliable.

[@stlchucko]

So basically, they spent waaaay more than they needed to on the LS so the Coyote didn’t look like and expensive chump.

[@diyguy6054]

@@stlchucko yes lol

[@Ihelpyouwithtutorial]

I want to know where they found an LS3 block for that cheap everywhere I go they are like 2500$

[@408SPLKINGS]

$600 refurbished LS iron block Summit / Jegs $900 new LS iron block O.E.M GM Performance $1500 new LS aluminum block O.E.M GM Performance

[@v1nc3mc]

#LSSWAPTHEWORLD

[@daltex81]

Negative ghostrider

[@factsnotfeelings4901]

+daltex81 cant stuff it in your civic?

[@talismenf2253]

facts not feelings look up the civette

[@gunsight4162]

daltex81 Cummins*

[@darleneamaro4389]

Ok gay rod

[@bobbycuesroadhouse2204]

2 engines that couldn’t be more different

[@cbzo6]

LS3 for sure.. You never see anyone putting a ford motor in a chevy. There's a few fords with chevy engines.

[@ozzyg92]

That's because Chevy is a cheaper build than ford.

[@cbzo6]

+ozzyg92 no doubt 👍

[@gsppuffer]

LS is cheaper to build and plentiful parts just like mustang parts are cheap and plentiful.Best bang for buck is ls in a Mustang body that's why it's done.The mod motors dominate the LS in power and are the reason mod motors are not allowed in the engine masters competition anymore.

[@cbzo6]

+gsppuffer Absolutely sir!

[@michaelfloydwright]

+gsppuffer yup!

[@traviskrause8509]

Ok tell me the difference between a rebuilt engine and a crate engine from the factory what exactly is longevity between the 2?

[@dtimboggs]

I would still rather push my 2015 Mustang GT, than drive ANY Camaro

[@richwarren6449]

you probably are pushing it

[@jowest17]

dtimboggs wow, that's logical

[@youandyourself757]

Dam, it's already broken? You should LS swap it..

[@thewatcher611]

dtimboggs that's good because that's probably what you'll have to do.

[@bradgriffith4231]

Too bad your in a slug. Camaro is the ONLY true production car to post a top 10 lap time at the Nurburgring, & it's in the top 10 twice, 1st time with part of the track in the rain!!

[@jonpeterson5534]

have you seen any LS3 with oil pump failure? (high pressure valve getting stuck)

[@howardangelo82]

6.2 vs 5.0 GM must not have faith in its motor, closer C.I would be a good start 5.3 vs 5.0 stroked to 5.3 even steven.

[@member5488]

+angelo howard Who cares what it displaces. The only measure of a performance engine is power, reliability, weight, cost and physical size. One engine is a stuck as a high winding DOHC with a limited displacement, the other is a large displacement engine stuck with two valves and push rods. Frankly, inside that budget I don't know why the LS isn't at least 7 liters if they really want to make the coyote pay for having a limited displacement.

[@andrewfarrell4312]

The 5.0 Ford v/s 6.2 Chevy is absolutely fair,in my opinion. An engine is basically a large air pump. The 6.2 may have a larger displacement, but it is an OHV/pushrod engine. The amount of air &fuel it can move efficiently is limited by the RPM range,and only having 2 valves per cylinder. The Ford can turn alot more Rpms and is much more efficient throughout the rpm range,especially tword the top end, due to the dohc/4valve design. That being said, I am a Chevrolet man,through and through. Always have been,and probably,always will. But the coyote is one hell of an engine. It makes an impressive amount of power,is versatile, and efficient. But when it comes to building a hod rod,resto mod, or any kind of engine swap, the LS will always be the more practical option. You can build the LS,and slap on some sort of forced induction or nitrous,and still have a smaller budget,and easier build

[@mrpowers359]

They should have used Fords voodoo coyote 6.2. The results would have been totally different

[@jarrettgagnon6245]

I would like to see how they perform in a vehicle. Look at the test between the ls7 camaro and the gt350r. The ls7 makes more power on the dyno but got blown away in the drag/track test. Engine dyno numbers only tell part of the story.. i unfortunately also agree there could have been alot better choices on money spent on the 5.0

[@bowtie-man]

Hey if you bought a new block for the LS you should have done the same for the ford, even though it would have put you over budget. Was wondering if you were going to drop the compression in both motors, mount a couple of turbos and watch the little LS really outshine the coyote.

[@Haulass95gt]

Except a 4 valve coyote would take to boost better.... lol. Do you really know so little??

[@irishgamingxxirish89xx68]

and the ls3 is 1.3 l bigger lol plus the higher rpm cap on the 5.0 makes it better the gm ls is limited by the in block cam and push rods if u put a 4v head on it I’m sure it would be a good motor

[@johnrunion7258]

6.2 LS should be destroked to 305cu. in. for power output comparisons against a 302 cu. in. powerplant. Wouldn't that seem like a more equitable comparison of power production from two different designs.

[@uriahbleue1947]

I believe all modern engines should be DOHC, it's better technology and it can get way better rpm.

[@blacknova23]

+Uriah Bleue It's also far more complicated, Harder to work on, needs a far bigger foot print and more expensive. I'll take a small block chevy any day.

[@uriahbleue1947]

blacknova23 that tells me Ford's are better engineered than Chevy's.

[@fast98gtp]

+blacknova23 exactly

[@blacknova23]

Uriah Bleue Hey whatever rocks your boat. But when you consider we only want to go fast...

[@gigagdragoon2345]

BMW S85 5.0 Litre V10 engine, DOHC 40 valves, 90 degree bank angle 12:1 compression ratio 240KG 507 hp (378 kW) @ 7750rpm/520 N·m (384 lb·ft) torque @ 6100rpm The S85 utilizes both individual throttle bodies and Double VANOS (BMW's infintely variable timing for intake and exhaust cams) It also has equal length tubular headers. GM LS7 7.0 v8, 90 degree bank angle, pushrod single cam in block valve train 16 valves, 11:1 compression ratio, 206KG 505 hp @6300 rpm, 470 ft lb @ 4800 rpm, plenum intake manifold, basically log headers, no variable valve timing. S85 power&torque:weight ratio, (2.113 HP/KG, 1.6 ft lb/KG) LS7 power&torque:weight ratio (2.45 HP/KG, 2.28 ft lb/KG The Ls7 outdoes the s85 is nearly everything and has FAR less technology. Now let's see what happens when the ls7 actually comes with more technology, Mazzanti Evantra's variant, 701 hp at 6600 rpm and a maximum torque of 848 Nm at 4500 rpm, woe that's overkill, and still has the 11:1 compression ratio and still more room to improve. Smaller, lighter, more torque, lower CoG, better power band and still more room for improvement through aftermarket parts. I'll warn you not to argue because I can literally write a research paper on this subject and already have valid evidence proof, sources for this argument readily bookmarked.

[@GurshEffect]

I have coyote motor mustang, but if i was buying just engine, I would always go LS.I say that purely because it is way easy to work with an ls and find people who can work with it.

[@pllumajsgarages9149]

Coyote for the win

[@Aresfire2]

How about the 2016/17 LT1 Engine?

[@scottthompson292]

How is this a reasonable comparison??? 6.2l vs 5.0l Brand new vs used Old and cheap vs New and expensive.... I know... lets make it a budget build... yeah right!!! No bias here at all... I'm gonna laugh my ass off when the coyote beats the handicapper. Better look for part 2 in another 4 months. maybe it'll be done by christmas.

[@joerobertson7047]

Used but machined = new. Fucktard.

[@whatyareckon5985]

you know the ls3 won right lol

[@scottthompson292]

Joe Robertson Used but machined = REFURBISHED... Not new... FUCKTARD. Modified and New do NOT have the same definition. Do they not teach that sort of shit where you live. There's no material added to replace what was removed during the machining process, so now components aren't the same size, shape, thickness etc. compared to how they were designed and stresses act different accordingly.

[@BnMGarage]

2 valve vs 4 valves, pushrod vs DOHC, the coyote has the superior more advanced design. So it does make sense to compare the 2. and the machined block has 2 extra cubes. That helps with power, not much but definitely won't put it below stock.

[@scottthompson292]

Stephen Ayeni I hope this doesn't come across too aggro (I have a tendency to seem angry when I'm not) but the more efficient heads of the coyote can still stuff only so much air into the cylinders. All that technology won't put 25% more air in so how is it a fair comparison to put the coyote against a motor that has 25% more displacement? As you can probably guess it takes about 145 cubes for the LS3 to overcome the superior design of the coyote. Notice how they didn't go for the LS2 even though it has the same displacement as the LS3? My biggest issue is how the coyote was handicapped with a piss poor budget. The LS engines have been around for ages and has a massive aftermarket following so there's loads of cheap parts on offer. Compare this to the relatively new coyote, and there's not as many aftermarket options as yet (more are coming...) Add to this the fact you need 2x more valves and springs, 4x more camshafts, a much longer timing belt with loads more pulleys etc. and $10k evaporates rather fast. At the end of the day I can see no reason to blow $10k on rebuilding these motors when there are crate motors out there for far less money.

[@Lunatech04]

So when is part 2 coming up?

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

+ Juan carlos Luna Here's the link to the final showdown between the LS3 and Coyote engines: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXfOgKxme5qbfck

[@thagreen72]

TeamCoyote

[@hassanosman523]

Rob 72 and team coyote got shit on even with the help of using a truck block to save money

[@SilverRaven1959]

Just goes to show how uneducated you are...like the rest of these LS GM Bag suckers . The Coyote out powers the LS Easy with boost. They wasted all that money on rebuilding the Coyote when they could have just boosted it! Your LS POS needs all the Forged internals to be boosted...LOSS goes to GM. You see the Coyote already had all the forged internals from the factory, they designed this test to make sure the Coyote lost. Rebuilt the Coyote where it never needed it! The truck block is not an advantage...it makes 70 HP less from the factory...again rigged test!!!! Now lets talk Windsor 351...The real competitor to the LS cause the LS was designed by duplicating what the Windsor is. Even port Spacing, Timing, main caps and firing order. LOSS = GM. cant do shit without stealing it from another manufacturer!

[@QuantumPlaysOfficial]

@@SilverRaven1959 but ls is cheaper and more accessible

[@europlebr3216]

SilverRaven1959 Isn’t it the other way around? I see PLENTY of stock bottom end LS’s hitting high hp numbers under boost. Not only that, torque, weight, compactness, and value all go to the LS. Don’t get salty because of the LS’s superiority

[@timothysmith6523]

OK.. why wouldn't you use the Holley High ram intake manifold which would be similar to the coyote having the higher ram style intake? Seems like you kind of limited the air if you are moving into the induction process by using that composite style manifold on the LS3

[@beznerindustries3057]

would the coyote engine stuff fit a 85 ford 5.0 motor

[@mrmidnight32]

This is an awesome series.

[@SOVAStreetScene]

Hurry up and release part 2 damn

[@PowerPerformanceYouTube]

+Chris Adkins Sorry for the delay, but here are the results after dyno testing both engines: www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/

[@SOVAStreetScene]

+Power Automedia what did the coyote make?

[@TheGat2012]

shouldn't the LT1 be compared as current GM vs. current Ford engines?

[@TheRevanchist]

How is a 5.0l bigger in stature than a 6.2l?

[@gioalviz1392]

About how many degrees of cam timing does the phasers have on the coyote?

[@Bricklinsv1970]

I wonder which engine could make the most power without blowing up?

[@badlilstang]

When is the dyno session?

[@badlilstang]

Looking forward to the results!