10L80 Transmission upgraded with PPE Deep pan for the 3.0 Duramax

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[@TheLumberZak]

Great video- right on time!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Jim.Christy]

Love your videos but you didn’t explain why your switching to the larger pan. I love that it has a drain plug (which is almost reason enough) but what are the benefits? Also wont it take twice as long to get the fluid up to temperature?

[@David-yy7lb]

SERIOUSLY....you mean to tell me that GM has cut cost to save a dime by not having a transmission dipstick tube to fill the transmission or to check the transmission fluid.....I guess not having an oil dipstick tube to check your oil is the next thing they will ax!!!...but anyway excellent video

[@hightide9513]

It’s filled from the factory and doesn’t need checked. The fluid level changes depending on temperature and I just think GM doesn’t want anyone doing anything stupid. I don’t think the dipstick cost more than any of the extra moving parts and electronics involved with the 10 speed.

[@robertwotring7318]

I’d say 75-80% of the modern vehicles have gone to these “sealed” systems. Idk If it’s better mechanically , but it discourages home mechanics from diy service. We had a 2016 explorer sport, same. Then all my Diesel Vw Touareg’s were the same.

[@skrsys]

It's surprising since Ford 10r80 version on the F150 has a dipstick.

[@samlenser8998]

Bmw did away with the dipstick several years ago. It's a pain, but the oil sensors does a pretty good job while it's running

[@robertwotring7318]

@@samlenser8998 Vw Diesel as well. You can get a real time display or with my scanner can get an actual measurement off the sensors.

[@seankellogg6154]

Did you reuse the original pan gasket? I bought the pan from your site and I don’t know if I can reuse the original gasket. Also, the filter bolts in the link you provided say they don’t fit the 2021 Yukon xl 3.0L model….. the transmission is the same as your version, correct?

[@DemonWorks]

Pan gasket is reusable and the bolts are the same for truck and suv, you are good to go! Thanks for your support !

[@evangilden9806]

you wouldnt happen to have a part number for the alluminum bolts that hold the filter in?

[@DemonWorks]

Added to the description

[@evangilden9806]

@@DemonWorks Thank you

[@joshuaplace9095]

Is there a way to check the transmission fluid level when it’s cold? I.E sitting over night

[@DemonWorks]

Great question! Unfortunately, no. The fluid level gets higher as it gets warmer, so if you checked it cold, it would be overfilled when up to temp.

[@joshuaplace9095]

@@DemonWorks that’s what I figured. I just didn’t know if you could put like an Allen wrench or something like that to get a cold reading. Of course when it’s operating temp it’ll be dribbling out. Thank you!

[@DemonWorks]

@@joshuaplace9095 you got it!

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[@victorcalderon6970]

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[@ryanlogan2911]

Oral like Monica?

[@bareaneye]

By putting coal in your mouth, the only outcome would be black teeth. I don't recommend it....

[@Italianborn]

There should also be a mod for a dipstick with it, not sure if it is also ppe or another company… if you look into it and find anything post a video of that !

[@SuperBuggerboo]

Is that deep pan now the lowest part on the truck? If so that’s a hard no go for me it wouldn’t last a year.

[@DemonWorks]

Far from it … you are plenty safe.

[@MolotovGarage]

My only beef with this pan is clearance, I once in full darkness and blinded by incoming traffic lights , drove over a full tire with rim that was in a carpool lane once in my Mercedes GL and it scraped underbody plastic covers. My GMC doesn’t have any underbody protection besides metal pan in the front, and next would be this extra deep ALUMINUM pan sticking out. that’s a huge concern, If only PPE just make the pan same size as stock would def be a go

[@antonioso17]

If I keep the original pan is it 8qts of transmission fluid or 13? I keep finding conflicting numbers. Thanks

[@DemonWorks]

8.1 quarts is what it calls for when dropping the pan to replace the filter and retain the stock pan.

[@antonioso17]

Thanks for the info! Love the videos, keep up the great work!

[@DemonWorks]

@@antonioso17 thank you, I appreciate the kind words!

[@Jim.Christy]

Does it come with new bolts? It looks like you have different Allan bolts

[@DemonWorks]

It does come with new bolts. Thanks for pointing that out, I should have explained that better in the video.

[@4961Studebaker]

Thanks for the tip on the one use inverted torques bolts, time to order some new tools.

[@markruiz4366]

What is the reason for a deeper oil pan I’m curious and I don’t know. And would like to know so I can buy one

[@DemonWorks]

Extra fluid will take longer to heat up and the system will also have a larger amount of fluid circulating which could help keep the fluid at optimal condition longer.

[@lukehayvaz9194]

I have seen some high transmission temps pulling side by side on trailer up steep Idaho grades. Have had to stop twice do to high transmission temps.

[@caribeach2641]

Are you ordering a 2023 truck with the LZO?

[@DemonWorks]

Yes, I changed my order though. It’s now a 23 high country with max trailer.

[@DaveE-b1c]

I am getting one for sure and trading in my 2020 lm2 I think it’s gonna be great

[@DemonWorks]

@@DaveE-b1c yeah, the LM2 has been overall great and the new advancements in the LZ0 sound great!

[@nolanmcmanus4212]

I have a 2019 1500 Silverado 6.2.. and it has the 10 speed as well. Is there any difference between mine and this one? Thank you.

[@DemonWorks]

Same trans, well, very similar. The fluid, pan and filter are the same, the trans cooler lines and bypass valve is different.

[@JCunningham21]

Do not use Amsoil Fuel efficient atf atl. Amsoill says it will work but it will void the GM trans warranty. The amsoil is off by 11.6cSt @104F and 1.8 off @212F. a difference of 1.45cSt will void the warranty. Dexron ULV is 4.5cSt @ 104f and 19.2cSt @ 212.

[@flyer8493]

The only way a dealer will know you used Amsoil is if they send samples off to the lab, and they are not going to do that.

[@TheWhiteboy77]

Might be a dumb question but when running it at idle to you leave the plug off and wait for it to trickle out? Wanna make you i don’t screw that up

[@DemonWorks]

Good question 🙋‍♂️ I fill it until it comes out. Insert the plug and then run the truck up to temp. Then pull the plug with it idling. It will be hot! Once it becomes a trickle, engine still idling, install the plug and then you can shut the truck. Also want to note, clean the plug threads so you don’t get any of the crusty sealant (blue loctite) in the transmission. So, I will have the plug cleaned and a dab of fresh blue loctite on it when I know it will be the final reinstall.

[@mr.yamaha2855]

It has a drain plug...weird. Thanks for the great video.

[@kingpin16052]

The one time use bolts on the filter, GM is telling me they cant find a specific number and are not able to order individually. Do you have any info? Thanks in advance

[@DemonWorks]

It’s part of a package. Link in description has the part number.

[@gerardopedraza22]

What temps do you now have with pan?

[@DemonWorks]

Small change, but takes a while longer for them to climb. I cannot say specifically what temps because if the 5 3.0 Duramax diesels I have owned, there are two different trans cooling system styles. The lz0 stays around 190 while lm2 was 160-190

[@keithm7087]

What is meant by 44 inch pounds then 128 degrees?

[@DemonWorks]

the bolt needs to be tightened to 44 inch pounds with a torque wrench then use an angle meter (often built into newer torque wrenches) and tighten the bolt an additional 128 degrees

[@tonykucherry8846]

I just ordered the pan and cooler from you, I also ordered bolt kit of amazon. I have to show my ignorance here. when tourqing the filter bolt, whay does the 128 degrees mean/ Thanks Tony K

[@DemonWorks]

Hey! Thanks for the support! The 128 degrees means that after you reach the base torque, the bolt needs to be tightened an additional 128 degrees.

[@justinpatterson522]

44 in/lbs, then ~1/3 extra turn.

[@johnhaynes9133]

I gotta question for ya! Have you thought about installing the ppe engine oil pan? Only reason km asking is because I have an oil pan leak and thinking about getting it.

[@DemonWorks]

Hey ! I absolutely will once I have a reason to. I will add the oil pan to my site in the very near future. Www.demonworkshop.com

[@Jim.Christy]

What are your thoughts about Amsoil Signature Series transmission fluid as a replacement in the 3.0L

[@DemonWorks]

I bought it then later learned that it is much thicker than factory and I decided to not use it.

[@Jim.Christy]

@@DemonWorks would be an interesting podcast to see if Amsoil is a viable option for the 10L80. It does now list Dexron ULV & Mercon ULV on their spec sheet for signature series fuel efficient

[@ericjenkins3424]

If you do a complete transmission service, new PPE pan and filter. How many quarts do I need? Everything I see is it takes 13 quarts for a complete service along with 4 extra quarts for the PPE. Do you know if this is true or how many I need?

[@MrWeaponlord]

How fair down past the cross member does it hang? Im considering TalonsGarage skid plates for overlanding.

[@ash136789]

Thank you for this!

[@trollingdirty8910]

Great upgrade, only thing I would recommend is like with any drain and fill, check the fill plug can be removed before you dump fluid.

[@DemonWorks]

thanks! But I don't follow what you are saying about checking the fill plug.

[@trollingdirty8910]

@@DemonWorks if you pulled the pan, replaced it, then unable to remove the fill plug…

[@ernie548]

I might get this. Would really like the ability to drain and fill from a plug. Though the most benefit I ever had was using great syth oil . Had my trans replaced (broke,), added recline day 1. 130k later at service flush and pan drop mechanic could not find any signs of wear. He was a little excited. Another 80k later different mech said it shifts like new. The rest of the car was getting old. :)

[@Italianborn]

Only problem i see here will be having off road set up like shocks and such but with a pan that can easily rub against rocks an stuff and brake..more fluid with a bigger radiator means 10-15 degree cooler liquid but you don’t need it…you don’t have a racing vehicle…

[@tgsubie]

Does only doing the DPP larger trans cooler require a capacity increase as well? Or does that require the oem amount of fluid?

[@DemonWorks]

the ppe deep pan adds 4 quarts of trans fluid

[@melvinhanson3659]

Do the pan bolts need to be replaced? Does the filler plug need to be torqued? If so to what value? Thank you great video

[@justinpatterson522]

the PPE pan comes with new bolts. 5mm alans with washers.

[@TovarEndwy]

What's better this or the Trans getting the ppe Trans cooler. I live in phoenix, az it gets hot here in the summer. Trying to keep the Trans cool

[@DemonWorks]

The cooler for sure ! www.demonworkshop.com/product-page/ppe-transmission-cooler-2019-2023-silverado-sierra

[@Jim.Christy]

Did you actually get 12 qts in with the larger pan? I didn’t replace my pan and was only able to get 61/2 qts in at 167° it was dibbling out at that point.

[@DemonWorks]

11 quarts in my case.

[@joedemonarco2735]

@@DemonWorksglad I saw this! I just installed the ppe trans pan and was worried that it only took 11 qts. I thought I was under filling the trans. P.S. my trans temps are the same 186-189 degrees.

[@joeshmoe8952]

How reliable are the 10L80 transmissions?

[@DemonWorks]

I feel they are very good. The 20/21 had a pump gear issue but otherwise they seem to be having minimal issues.

[@joeshmoe8952]

@@DemonWorks Thanks for the info.

[@toddmeadows1576]

Going to comment on an older video because I’m gonna ask yet another in depth question! I already have the ppe cooler and bypass…. When I go to do this pan how in the world am I going to get the tranny to 167ish when I just see over those numbers an hour after driving down the highway???

[@DemonWorks]

Power brake it a little. Mine will get to that temp within 20 minutes of driving.

[@toddmeadows1576]

@@DemonWorkshey man, so I just swamped mine. I was only able to get like 10 maybe 9 1/2 qts in. When I checked it at about 171 degrees I had the little bit of trickeling… normal?

[@DemonWorks]

@@toddmeadows1576 absolutely, it depends on if you pulled the trans filter and how long you let it drain.

[@toddmeadows1576]

@@DemonWorks I didn’t pull the filter and it didn’t drain for to long. Got it on, filled until it started coming out. Stated truck, filled until it started coming out again. Put the plug in, idled/power brake and shifted in forward and reverse until 170ish degrees. Rolled back under, pulled the plug and a decent amount came out quick! Let it run out until it started to trickle. I would assume if it’s full… it’s full haha. I may run home after work and check it one more time.

[@Italianborn]

So i was looking at different install from older duramax, ppe used to sell a spacer along with it that goes behind the filter so that it would reach the oil closer to the bottom, does the 3.0 need that part or they took it out of sale for this engine ?

[@DemonWorks]

That was for an allison, this does not need it. The additional fluid it holds actually site below the filter and as the fluid is returned from the lines, it''s poured into the pan mixing the fluid around. The allison used the filter as a suction right at the base. I like this design better because now you have tall baffles to maintain fluid control / sloshing.

[@Italianborn]

@@DemonWorks i thought even this was allison made and bought as deal between ford and chevy

[@DemonWorks]

@@Italianborn this one isn’t Allison branded like the 2500+ is

[@CHRISINMCNEILL]

I have a 21 LM2 truck. Best mod is a Banks pedal monster. Cold air intake, exhaust and trans mods is a wast of your time and money.

[@DemonWorks]

Banks pedal monster merely fools your pedal, just push the pedal harder 😂 Thanks for the insight!

[@CHRISINMCNEILL]

@@DemonWorks You are correct. I takes the spongy delay away and the truck is very responsive and fun to drive. Everybody that owns a LM2 truck that has driven mine has one. They have ordered them on there phone shortly after feeling the difference the difference. I was a naysayer until I drove a truck with a Pedal Monster.

[@DemonWorks]

@@CHRISINMCNEILL that’s great, nothing wrong with people buying what they want!

[@paulbenderavich3833]

@@CHRISINMCNEILL I have the pedal monster installed on my L5P. Despite it not adding any hp or tq, one would be fooled. No more dead pedal!

[@DaveE-b1c]

Yes pedal monster helps with towing and pulling my boat out of the water less drag more pull less pedal.. you can also adjust the trim on pedal as well which is good too

[@antonioramos1636]

I only have one question for all the modifications that you have made, do they violate the factory warranty?

[@Italianborn]

😂 if they can prove it when issue occur yes.

[@InspireNThrive206]

Yes they do...but you can swap out to stock if you have warranty work to be done lol

[@philipjohnson882]

They have to prove the modification caused the issue. Transmission, oil and differential covers would very unlikely void your warranty. Unless you screwed something up when changing them out.

[@zsteinle]

whats the point of 3 extra quarts?

[@DemonWorks]

4 extra quarts. Takes a little longer for the fluid to heat up and helps extend the life of the fluid overall because there is more in it.

[@GospelofGabriel]

Is there any downside to this? Such as power or fuel economy loss?

[@DemonWorks]

@@GospelofGabriel no downside to it. Improved looks and added fluid capacity. Win win.

[@GospelofGabriel]

@DemonWorks If you have any real world stats or testing to point to, I would greatly appreciate them.

[@blackflag_garage]

@@GospelofGabriel my best real world stats come from the trans cooler video. Only way I can prove the pan didn’t cause anything negative is that it didn’t cause any issues with me or others ?

[@robertwotring7318]

They don’t recommend shifting gears before fill? During the process.

[@DemonWorks]

It is recommended and while it wasn't specifically mentioned in this video, it will be in the complete how-to instructions that I have been working on.

[@robertwotring7318]

@@DemonWorks solid, looks like a worthwhile modification!

[@DemonWorks]

@@robertwotring7318 I think so ! Pairs together nicely with the trans cooler. I’m going to toss in the bypass valve next to do some testing with that. I think the pan and the cooler may be my favorite mods so far.

[@robertwotring7318]

@@DemonWorks Absolutely I will probably do both of these together over the winter. I’m still not sold on the bypass valve because of the cold winters out here, I worry it may not get up to temperature. i’ll see what kind of results you get out of it when you do it.

[@DemonWorks]

@@robertwotring7318 I agree and that’s why I want to test before winter just to see. There is a heater built in as well after the bypass valve.

[@johnmar7701]

Stock GM pan has magnets on the bottom. No magnets on new aftermarket pan.

[@TheGreatOne2922]

Did you even see the video....or at least read up on the aftermarket product?

[@johnmar7701]

I looked at video, did not see any magnets like the stock pan had.