#10MinuteTalk

High-stepping .17’s, your good old .223, the lightning-fast 22-250, or the dog-anchoring .243? Which of these cartridges takes the coyote crown. Or is it another? Just about every cartridge has taken a coyote at one time or another, but what’s the best coyote cartridge and why? Mark Boardman, Ryan Muckenhirn, and in-house coyote connoisseur, Bill Krivanek, sit down to discuss this question. Do you agree with their reasoning? Tune in to find out.
00:00 - Intro
2:40 - The Most Common Coyote Cartridges
4:33 - Which One is the Best?
8:37 - .223 vs 22-250
10:00 - Gas Gun vs. Bolt Gun
11:26 - Best Type of Projectile for Hunting Coyotes with the .243.
15:27 - 22-250
19:51 - 6 ARC
29:10 - Shotgun Loads
30:56 - Closing Thoughts
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[@user-qh1pj4xd2p]

Please rename this podcast to “22 reasons why Ryan has beef with the 22-250”

[@chevyon37s]

Dude has random beef with a few great cartridges.

[@nmelkhunter1]

@@chevyon37s Yes he does. I remember he said it pained him to acknowledge how good the 270 Win is. Really Ryan? I'm not sure if he's just stirring the pot or this just a chance for him to air his grievances to the world.

[@user-qh1pj4xd2p]

243 is “ok” at everything… however here in the dakotas not many deer/pronghorn get taken with rifles after November so the WAAAAAAAY too large 243 projectiles are much to destructive on pelts!!!! 🎙️⬇️ In all reality my hunting partner shoots 243 and he anchors coyotes lol!

[@cameronbaker7959]

@@linescum444 it is

[@kab5275]

He doesn’t like the 250 bc he doesn’t own one and has never had the “wow” factor of how inheritently accurate the cartridge is. You can have it in a gas gun if you want Also I think my 243 with a brake kicks harder then my 22-250 does

[@bradedwards3438]

I love how all these 10 Minutes Talks are a half hour long.

[@mrjeffjob]

I was just noticing the 33:21 time on the “10” minute talk also. Get to the point guys. The longer it takes to say the less likely the info is worth the investment of time.

[@chadperry4021]

I agree with 243 being top choice. It’s been a around for a long time and it’s not really going to leave you wishing it was something else.

[@tedsell1455]

So Versital and Accurate !

[@bertpulaski2492]

Been using mine since the early 90’s from coyote to hogs to whitetail.

[@chadperry4021]

I agree with Ryan it is basically a 22-250 with more mass. I taught many coworkers who had never shot a gun before the joy of hitting a 2 liter soda from across the field.

[@dbart45]

.243 Federal 80 grain soft points. Oh yeah!

[@JAKDRZR]

If you don’t care about the fur a 25-06 with 85gr nosler or 90gr sierra blitzing at around 3600fps is absolutely amazing on yotes!!

[@foonus406]

Devastating on the barrel life too!

[@cameronbaker7959]

@@foonus406 barrels are consumables

[@kirkmartin2223]

Let's say barrel life is 1200 rounds..... if I get the opportunity to take 1000 shots during any hunting scenario with one rifle I'm going to be a very happy guy! A new barrel CAN cost less than $500. All said and done the most expensive component in a rifle are the bullets.

[@JAKDRZR]

@@foonus406 you’ll get 2000 rounds through it easy.

[@charlesmullins3238]

My 6.5prc waypoint drives the 95gr v max over 3600fps…3666fps my highest so far…little to hot so i backed em down a scotch…havnt shot game yet but man what it does to a 20oz at 250yrds is wicked….itll send pieces n all directions if you center punch one…my fn spr .308 puts 110v max and varmageddons over 3500fos from 24” barrel and just as devastating…dyin to hit something besides jugs to test penetration and expansion which is minimal…

[@leeturner3143]

If there is such a thing as the perfect coyote setup, Ryan's new Howa Carbon in 6ARC is a strong contender for that title. We need an update!

[@benjaminsims9046]

While I don’t hunt dogs, I’m a little surprised that the .22WMR didn’t at least come into the conversation

[@waynehendrix4806]

I have to tread very carefully here, but after hearing the mini-14 video... I'm questioning the intelligence of "this channel".

[@illinidave]

No good over 100-130 tops is why

[@danielcurtis1434]

@@waynehendrix4806I can say with certainty their “historical expert” guy is a joke who gets tons wrong. This channel is flawed probably because it’s a podcast???

[@wonderingweirdo7476]

​@@waynehendrix4806what did they say about the mini?

[@kross1261]

@@waynehendrix4806years ago I had unfortunately had a lot of issues with 3 different AR’s. Went to mini 14 target out of frustration. Took off the barrel resonator and put on a rubber Hogue stock. 1-1 1/2” groups at a 100 yards. Has never jammed and very reliable and pretty handy. Awesome road gun. Now it’s not my sneak gun but I really like it. Now the regular mini 14’s yes are pretty bad when it comes to accuracy

[@Stewart7516]

Im a fan of a fast twist 22-250 with a 60 grain pill of various assortments. The ability to hold on hair out to 300-500 yards when a hasty shot is required is nearly unprecedented

[@happyhorsexxx]

I think you were talking about close to the idyllic Setup for foxes. I live in Australia so we do not have coyotes

[@Stewart7516]

@happyhorsexxx I bet it would work on Dingos killing your livestock too. Or are Dingos protected?

[@Stewart7516]

@happyhorsexxx but yes.. it works wonders on grey and red fox as well. Also bobcat and Lynx while we're talking about it.

[@jeffbyram9043]

Only knock on 250, it doesn’t buck the wind as well

[@Stewart7516]

@jeffbyram9043 it does a great job of it with a 75 grain bullet. But honestly how far out can you shoot a coyote? Let's be honest, on a yote 500 yards might as well be a mile. As fast as that bullets moving it doesn't drop much all things considered.

[@jameslovesjammie]

.204 is SUPER popular for coyotes in Eastern Montana.

[@randyfrieler5524]

Minnesotan here, got four 204's in our p.dog hunting group that we take to s. Dakota.

[@lukebiller1747]

I don't understand his "lead balloon" comment @@randyfrieler5524

[@bryanheard5278]

22-250 is my choice. Ruger M77 hearvy barrel. The topic is best coyote caliber not dual purpose caliber.

[@stevenlewis6781]

Guy I knew made a pretty decent supplemental income with that exact same setup. This was before the days when calling was really a thing, and a good pelt would fetch 60-70 dollars. He had a knack for spotting them and would get 40-50 a year. Back in the 70s that was pretty serious money.

[@ThrowingItAway]

I found it a bit annoying that Ryan kept coming back to hunting deer when the question was Coyotes. 243 would likely pass through and isn't moving as fast with more drop.

[@muleycrazy121]

220 swift

[@rus2092]

I think given a few more years, the 6 ARC will be a stand-out Coyote round.

[@whiskerbiscuit99]

Already is, sooo many guys around me have switched to it, especially handloaders. Seems like every dog hunter around me is running it in an ar platform now. Most very content, now with 22 arc several are chompin at that bit lol.

[@kochj0713]

And y’all know that we load them up up to bolt rifle specs there’s no reason you can’t especially when using the proper bolt on an AR it’ll last for a long time

[@gregz4249]

I have 243 , I doubt I will shoot out the barrel,so I don’t see any reason to change since have gun have components even if a better cartridge comes along Very happy with 243 Winchester

[@derekcombs6497]

I run a 75 grain vmax in a .243 win MV-3470 (avg) I'm in SE Missouri . Shots vary greatly. Depending on where I'm hunting. Most of the time we are hunting over hayfields. (Because we like to shoot long) we typically hunt in 2 or 3 man teams. Each guy has a different job and weapon. The caller is in charge of the call and decoy he is usually running the shotgun loaded with 3" #4 buck and a XF choke. The Postman (Because he sends it) will carry the bolt gun. And is responsible for all long shots. And if there is a 3rd guy we call him the Pepper, he carries an .223 ar with lpvo and is responsible for dogs on the run. So as Ryan would say "it depends" but ultimately they will all wax a song dog. That's how my crew does it in SEMO. Good luck out there and hunt safe

[@justice1327]

I deer hunt down in licking and salem mo. Would love to go hunting with your crew for song dogs.

[@bruceeckstein9311]

Sounds like you’ve got all possible scenarios covered… well planned

[@mrjeffjob]

Postman because he sends it. Love. That. Many thanks 😊

[@buckaroobonsi555]

I am a 6,5 Grendel guy because I have the rifle, the brass, bullets, the dies. It has been around for 20 years. Howa has made a 6.5 Grendel for a long long time and plenty of AR from PSA to Alexander Arms. Ruger makes a bolt gun in 6.5 Grendel and I am sure they have an Arc as well if not they will!

[@MontanaWillie44]

Grendel is awesome. I have a bolt and gas rifle in it. 6 ARC is great too. Ruger already has a 6 ARC and is chambering it in their new Gen 2 line.

[@jakal104]

6.5 Grendel 👍👍 Ruger 👎👎

[@Chester_Oliver]

6mm Remington, I didn't hear it mentioned so I thought I would throw it in the ring.

[@BlueCollarRay]

As a 6.5 Grendel lover, of coarse the Grendel is the best. And is a gas gun, and kills Deer, I reload so I’m biased. Just rest easy, I’m right and everyone else is wrong….🤥 unless it’s almost every other rifle cartridge made😀😀😀 we all got our favorites. I think the yotes are in trouble. Loved the conversation!

[@TAWier]

I love this cartridge so much that I now have 3 rifles in this cartridge. One is an AR-15, one Ruger American, and a Howa 1500. Both bolt guns shoot lights out! My AR is less accurate, with most groups averaging around an 1 1/2 to 2 inches.

[@BlueCollarRay]

@@TAWier I agree. I have the Howa also. It’s scary accurate. I really appreciate it when I get another rifle out. I’m in Tennessee…so the Grendel covers everything. My cousin in Montana kills Elk with his. I’ve never done that, but I don’t doubt what he says..

[@Thepaintballinfool]

Grendel is also my favorite

[@clayrog6405]

Grendel is my latest build in the AR platform. I just polished all the touch points and disassembled the bolt and polished everything, so it moved easily when lubed lightly. The results of a cheap 20-inch BCA side charging upper, when paired with a tight lower with a 3.5 lb. Drop in trigger is groups you can easily cover with your thumb at 100 yds. I also have a BCA 350 legend 18 inch, that after a lot of polishing and mag mods, gets the same 100 yd groups . The cold hammer forged barrels have been quite impressive so far. So, I'd yote with either because I live in East Texas and shots over 200 yds are rare.

[@ludeguy]

I fall into this group as well. My 6.5 Grendel AR build is a tack driver… also love my 224 Valkyrie for coyote.

[@Yellowsierra02]

6.5CM is a very popular chambing in todays rifles. I picked up a sig cross in 6.5cm for coyote hunting because it made since to me. light weight, accurate, packable, removable mags and the 18” barrel works great with a suppressor. Ive been using it for 2 years now for nothing but coyotes and havent looked back. 90gr Noslers and 95vmax work awesome on coyotes. 187 Coyotes where taken with that rifle in 2023. Im excited for the new 100gr eld-VT. Hopefully I will get to try those out soon.

[@richarddoty1498]

Old tote hunter told me "more coyote are shot with a .223 than any other round, and more coyote are wounded and lost with a .223"

[@John_439]

And more people think that they can shoot proficiently than actually can. 223/556 is plenty of gun if you actually know how to shoot and are capable at the ranges you are shooting at. Could you go bigger sure go have fun with 300 win mag. But if you are actually a skilled shooter and not some fud ok with their dinner plate accuracy at 100m you should be just fine with 223.

[@21psd]

@@John_439 well stated

[@pjbarney9580]

South Texas ... I use my 6.5 grendel lighter weight bullets for the added velocity... much like the .243 concept. it's a great middleweight contender. I have an 18" gas gun. but have taken deer and hogs also. most stuff down here is considerably smaller due ti climate and food sources😊

[@LRRPFco52]

Have you looked at Hammer 80gr 6.5mm for the Grendel? It will do 3020-3120fps from an 18”. 90gr TNT Federal factory ammo is great too, as is the 95gr V-MAX. 90gr Federal TNT does 2900fps from my 17.6” Lilja Grendel.

[@pjbarney9580]

@@LRRPFco52 I will have to look into those, Thanks

[@LRRPFco52]

@@pjbarney9580 Even 110gr PPU has been very flat-shooting for me from my 12" Grendel. I've made multiple 1st-round hits at 780yds with it, no misses, then connected 1st-round at 900yds on a 1.5-2 MOA plate. Couldn't believe it.

[@zekethefishgeek8690]

Maker Trex 85gr bullet...

[@boogerdog5247]

​@LRRPFco52 I have a great number of .264 Les Baer Custom in 20" barrels and built grandson a 6.5 Grendel in 16" all Type II. I love the 6.5 Grendel cartridge but finding ammo flat out sucks. It's a shame too.

[@gcbahamafisho5439]

223 definitely does the job. I know it’s not cartridge talks but con we bring in more about barrel life in the talks? Especially when it comes to varmints. Including magnum calibres. Love the podcast. Great work guys

[@foonus406]

The industry tends to hide the fact that barrels are a disposable component - perhaps not to scare away potential customers with an increased operating cost. It's the main reason i grab a 6.5 when my more accurate harder hitting 300PRC sits in the safe - barrel life. Worst experience i have had for varminting was with a Savage .17WSM that shot lights out new but after only 2 days and 2 cases of ammo (only 1000 rounds) the barrel was throwing groups almost 4 times the size of when it was new. We bore scoped it - cleaned it to bare metal - still would not shoot. Really opened my eyes as to how fast you can burn out a barrel on a fast chambering.

[@cameronbaker7959]

@@foonus406 yes barrels are consumables…. It is what it is shoot as much as you want they’re relatively cheap

[@midwestbd7144]

For 95% of people barrel life doesn’t really matter. If you know about barrel life/care about it you probably already know what calibers to avoid.

[@foonus406]

@@cameronbaker7959 True enough but the ratio of 1 barrel to 1 gopher colony is a very painful cost added to your ammo and gasoline. Stepped back to a .22LR that's accurate up to a couple hundred yards and between the ammo cost and the fact it wont burn barrels its great for the job.

[@cameronbaker7959]

@@foonus406 i think every figure in that statement is exaggerated but 👍🏻

[@Off-target-xy6bx]

The 22-250 has been the most popular coyote cartridge in my part of the world for many years. Flat trajectory and doesn’t take long to get there on moving targets it seems to be the bolt gun choice.

[@mikecross2435]

6.5 Grendel FTW!

[@LRRPFco52]

Especially with the new 100gr ELD-VT, on top of 90gr TNT, 95gr V-MAX, 100 NBT that have already been getting it done. If we got even lighter bullets for Grendel, it will do 3400-3600fps, depending on barrel length, and do it with less chamber pressure than any of the others.

[@BlueCollarRay]

Amen

[@leeviwerner4629]

Been running 6 ARC last two years and currently building 22 ARC not speed demons but super efficient. Small rifle primer and ar15 mag length. Hard to beat.

[@johnstewart7022]

I find these "what is the ideal caliber?" discussions very entertaining. It's good for the deer camp discussion, the barroom debate and so on. Personally, here's my take: What is the ideal caliber for coyote? My answer: .308 What is the ideal caliber for eastern woodland white tail deer? My answer: .308 What is the ideal caliber for elk? My answer: .308 What is the ideal caliber for feral hogs? My answer: .308 Are you seeing a trend here? I ask myself: Can I hit the target in a vital area? Will it deliver enough power for a clean kill? If the answer is yes and yes, then it's right. Other calibers work well, of course, but I choose .308 because I have one I shoot very well, and it kills cleanly. As Col. Cooper said "If you shoot something with the .308, it stays shot." ...plus the inexpensive availability of NATO 7.62mm M80 ball encourages frequent practice without the chore of reloading. What else is needed? Well, thanks for an entertaining podcast, and please keep up the good work.

[@mikedundee65]

I like your logic

[@stephensmith6599]

Have you considered the .308?

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

Ideal and acceptable arent the same word.

[@chasekrohn6346]

308 is king of versatility. Carries plenty of energy out to and past 500 yards👌

[@kingrider75]

I use many but I love my 204 ruger for daylight hunts! Pretty cool seeing bullet impacts

[@jigrig6010]

YEAH .204 RUGER IS SUPREME

[@lukejames2049]

I thermal hunt here in Indiana and I’ve never had a coyote get away after I hit it with a 32 grain 204

[@kingrider75]

@@lukejames2049same here. I’ve never lost one with mine and rarely had runners! I shoot a hand loaded 39 blitzking and it’s absolutely deadly

[@jeffh5664]

Can't believe you left out .22 Hornet for Coyotes

[@geralddunn9138]

204 all the way! Shot placement! If you can cover 3,4,5 shots with a nickel 204 no questions!

[@worksonjunk]

Theres a lot of calibers you can do that with

[@claybenge1755]

Got my first Coyot with my 270 (150 federal fusion) while deer hunting and listening to the 10mm vortex podcast.

[@DanTheMailman330]

Bolt gun: 22-250 with a 55gr ballistic tip Gas gun: 6.5 Grendel with about a 110gr varmint projectile. A close second would be an AR -10 in .243

[@eskimoreloader]

I use 204 and 22-250 on ring seals. Bearded seals here in the Arctic in Baffin Island

[@tjb7850]

.243 for me, used to use a .204 but wolf population is getting high and i wanted some extra horsepower for the big pups

[@laneh1968]

My last two coyotes were taken with 450 Bushmaster. It was devastating. I’m in heavy wooded area so distance is not a concern. I wanted a cartridge for hogs, deer, coyote, and anything else that needs dropping in its tracks.

[@danielrobey1759]

That'll damn sure do it 😂😂😂

[@cameronbaker7959]

😐😐😂

[@reillyberg7761]

After what I saw a 250gr do to my doe a couple years ago it must have damn near cut those coyotes in half 😂

[@cameronbaker7959]

Went straight past 6,.25,6.5,6.8, 7mm, .30,.33,and .35 😂

[@VortexVortex2724]

Thats one expensive and gruesome coyote kill lol

[@benjihunter4687]

Absolutely fantastic! I’m from Northern WI originally. Now live in NW Colorado. Keep these coming gents, well done! ❤

[@jjgriffin3275]

LOVE the 6 ARC.... this is an AMAZING round and needs to be talked about more !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@russherbert839]

Well…not too much cuz I still need more brass!!

[@jjgriffin3275]

@@russherbert839 its on a bunch of websites just sells out fast, shows its a popular round, but yes needs more support, bc its so popular

[@billwell9266]

love mine

[@onebadjack1313]

@@russherbert839 amen

[@tripplebeards3427]

Still the same bullet shot out of a 243 but a little bit slower does the same thing.

[@seetownwv]

22 Creed is way more popular than you all think. 22 Creed where your restricted to 22 cal for sure. I think New York is only 20 cal. I'd probably do 243 if i could. An once you go thermal you can't go back lol

[@ThrowingItAway]

I'd argue that the velocity of the 22-250 makes it better than the 223 at 200-300 on a moving target which wasn't discussed. You're looking at half the drop, and 33-50% more energy from the 22-250 by the time you're out there.

[@foonus406]

If your coyotes have spotted you at 2-300 yards and are running - you've got bigger issues to deal with than your rifle's chambering..

[@ThrowingItAway]

That's a lot of assumptions@@foonus406

[@baitammo4652]

you ar correct! SPEED KILLS!!

[@packerjh2]

22 creedmoor

[@ThrowingItAway]

No one is chambering 22 CM yet, it was only approved a few months ago. I'd love to get a Tikka in 22 CM when they finally get around to making one.@@packerjh2

[@bruceyoung6112]

25/06 hands down.

[@user-pd7qe8he5g]

I love the 25/06, soooo easy to reload and devastation on anything you hit! Blows the 243 out of the water, in fact on this podcast, they stated the 25/06 blows the 6.5 C out the water. And it does out to 3-400 yds.

[@bruceyoung6112]

I am strongly considering a tikka t3x and get barrel chambered for the 25/06 AI with a 1 in 7 twist. Talking about smoking the 6.5 cm.

[@raywall5945]

AI that and she is Lights out in yote town. Not good if you want fur though.

[@Swampytheroot]

Nice presentation. The 243 is probably the best answer. As far as the 22-250: I don't know I've ever actually seen one in person. Could the 224 Valk not be loaded with the lighter 58gr Vmax and outperform a 223? I know it's designed for heavy for caliber bullets, but does something prevent using lighter pills? Seems to me that would go a long way toward bringing the AR up to (closer anyway) par with a 22-250 bolt gun. I'm in heavily wooded and rapidly growing Central NC. Coyotes are a newish issue here. But they're numerous down along the wetlands half a mile below my house. Debating 223 vs 6.5 Grendel vs 6.5CM. I have all three in bolt and gas guns. I have Controlled Chaos loads for both 6.5 rounds, so that's where I lean. All sorts of varmint rounds in 223 and even Federal 110gr varmint loads in 308. Always enjoy these. I do wish the didn't ramble quite so much so as to stay somewhere close to the stated 10 minute mark. But it's cool when I have half an hour to kill.

[@armeddiver]

That was a really interesting conversation. I am not a hunter, but I am a gun builder and shooter. Based on [your conversation] and my own experience, I personally think that the 6 ARC has absolutely eclipsed everything from .243 Winchester on down. I have both a gas gun and a bolt gun in 6 ARC. On the gas gun I am running a Wilson Combat 18” Tactical Hunter 1 in 7.5” twist. I am getting 2617fps with Hornady Match 108gr ELDs. An 18" gas gun is losing approximately 150fps from factory tested with a 24" barrel. I have found the 18" gas gun to have about 35fps less muzzle velocity than a 22" bolt gun. I am able to get 3/4” groups at a 100yds from the bench, on a bipod and trap bag. I don’t know why more manufacturers are making the cartridge yet, but I have found Hornady BLK and Match readily available at around $1.10 per round. My very personal belief is that it will become the U.S. Military’s new battle rifle cartridge. SOCOM is using it right now as their secondary behind 5.56. I do not believe that the 6.8x51 will ever have more than a limited use in the military, but that is another story for a different day.

[@johnparker9139]

In the Appalachian mountains the 223 gas gun is best. I’ve used everything from 55 grain sp to 75 gr BTHP.

[@johngeisel901]

55 gr sierra 1365 in a 22-250 22-250 ai 220 swift or 22 creed is a sweet spot for performance and minimal pelt damage

[@wmsteinman8166]

100% Sierra #1365

[@emmanuelcalderon1982]

I wish this had come out a few days earlier. I bought a couple boxes of the 58 grain v-max thinking I would develop a load for coyotes. I also picked up a box of the 80 grain gmx. Do you guys think it would have the same effect as the 100 grain soft points? I always look forward to new podcast episodes, keep up the good work guys! 👍🏽

[@91shanej]

I like the 204 ruger for coyotes longer distance need the 40 grain but for here in the yard wich is 350 yards and in the 204 ruger with 32 grain is perfect

[@CrisCov-qm9yt]

0 knock down power.

[@str8shooter159]

Buddy of mine took a couple the other morning with a 22hornet

[@smackfpv]

243 is what I use and agree with your findings....

[@k.robatasio9471]

Im another 6.5 grendel fan!!! It can run in a gas gun or mini action bolt gun... can handle deer, coyote, and able to buck the wind as well as reach out and touch em. I love mine in a 16in light weight AR build.

[@paulnirschl6500]

Up here in Northern Wisconsin a 12 ga. works best in the swamps and pine mixed with hardwood forests.

[@RealDuckMaster]

Would be a better podcast if they talked bullet, bullet load, how far from the jam is and case preparation. Or even talk factory hot loads with a specific bullet type and weight. Because without those all rifle calibers are good and bad when it comes to killing yotes. Hell the ultimate rifle wood be a 50 BMG Example a .223 shoots a 35 to 85 grains in many different variations, tails and olives. A 22-250 will do the same. Which one is better well a 22-250Varmint Grenade won't stabilize in a 1/14 or 1/12 twist. But it will in a .223 1/8 or 1/9. Sure the .243 will and anchor a yote its shooting a 74-110 bullet in various configurations, however it wont anchor one with match bullets like a Sierra 90gr Match-King, Lapua 100gr Scenar, and Berger 100gr VLD. What I just said was just some of the variables n a coyote rifle of your choosing! Again all calibers are good and bad on yotes. These guys need more time killing yotes and allot more time understanding ballistics and bullet energy. I can say this and back up what I say as I have been trapping and calling yotes since the Burnham Brothers first aired on American Sportsman in 1966. When Dennis Kirk started making cassette tapes in the 1970s.

[@sisleymichael]

Terrain and vegetation affect the decision in my opinion. I live down in the brush country of South Texas. On my place, a long shot might be 100yds. Why? The elevation changes and thick brush make seeing much beyond that quite impossible. Because I have one dedicated to the task, I use a 20" AR-15 in 5.56/223 with a 3-9 power scope. It works perfectly fine. Prior to getting that rifle, I was using a Savage bolt action, same cartridge. Still a good option IF you won't be needing to engage more than one. We have stealth coyotes. They are slinkers. They use concealment as much as possible. However, most of the coyotes get shot out by my chicken house. That shot from the back porch is 30 to 40 yards max. That is a 22LR shot easy. My wife has a Ruger 10/22 she keeps by the back door and she has gotten the last two. (those are her chickens, just ask her. She DOES NOT like predators!).

[@whiskeyplz4891]

I love my 224 valkyrie for yotes. Not sure if you have done a episode on the round. Like what it could have been and where it went wrong

[@jakal104]

Yep, Valkyrie is a much better caliber than 223... except for popularity.

[@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080]

I believe my 25-250 (aka 250 Savage, 250-3000) is the perfect combo compromise.

[@MrToddles12]

Just got a savage 99 in 250-3000 as well. Great little round.

[@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080]

​@@MrToddles12nice! Mine is a hand built Remington 600 Mohawk.

[@ryewaldman2214]

similar to the 6 arc is the 6.5 grendel, which will also be available soon with a 100 grain eld-vt load. Like the 6 arc, it will make predators plenty dead without undesirable rapid unscheduled disassembly

[@MaximusCorgi]

Another great podcast guys! I am surprised no one mentioned 224 valkyrie. Alot of groups im in from my state still use that and it's great!. Personally I am in the 243 camp but looking to build a 6 ARC.

[@weldmonger1560]

I wonder why people are always going for the new calibers? Any theory? Ammo is expensive af lol I don't like changing my rig at all. All Ive used since 2017 has been the 22 nosler and probably out of 20 coyote I've shot with it they haven't taken a step with it. Always drop upon impact

[@bertpulaski2492]

I considered a 6Creed. Instead I built a .243win but spec’ed out the twist and chamber to as tight of tolerance as the 6Creed. It will sling a 100gr Sierra to just over 3/8” 5 shot group. Now it’s ready for next deer season.

[@MaximusCorgi]

@@weldmonger1560 I think a lot of people are always striving to find something that can shoot farther, flatter, or harder hitting. The cost is outrageous for some of these new calibers but only time will tell if they become more available and stay.

[@Kross8761]

With regards to the customer who said you cant say "it depends" then i would say overall, for the widest variety of ranges, the .22 Creedmoor is the most versatile. You can run light bullets at blistering speeds just like .22-250, or you can run heavy bullets that hold their velocity well and hit harder at distance like the 6mm & 6.5 Creedmoors. If youre talking purely the most versatile and beat coyote rifle, now if it's pulling double duty as a deer or even elk gun I'd go bigger, the 6mm Creedmoor would be my absolute minimum for elk leaning much more toward 6.5 Creedmoor (as far as this converstion goes) But with a .22 Creed you can run it in a bolt OR gas gun, with bullet weights bewteen 45-95 grains and so with one cartridge you can hunt close or long range, and semi or bolt action. For coyotes specifically it has devastating potential at any sane distance and crazy versatility.

[@andrewpalmer7364]

You guys should look at long range ar15 cartridges. 224 Valkyrie, 6.5 Grendel, 22 arc, etc

[@nocturnalspecialties642]

224 valkyrie has been a disappointment for me and some buddys. I went back to 223 and been happy

[@jakal104]

Valkyrie and Grendel are great for coyotes.

[@nocturnalspecialties642]

@jakal104 yea if you can get one to shoot decent

[@whiskeyplz4891]

24" barrel and a fast twist rate worked for me out of my AR. But I never intended it to be more then about a 300 yard gun. Got to be a realist right

[@andrewpalmer7364]

Since I found a load in my 224 that shot well, I can pretty consistently get hits past 800 yards, and 1000 yards, although tricky, is fairly realistic.

[@RamTahoe]

My introduction to coyote hunting was also my introduction to 6mmARC. My buddy runs a suppressed 18" AR. He hand loads 70gr Nosler BT bullets. I haven't built anything yet but think might get 2 uppers, one gas and one bolt.

[@user-uf2ti8pj8v]

Elmer Keith claimed the .270 win is adequate for coyotes. As far a killing them, it is fine. Keeping them in one piece is another story with a 130 grain sst going 3k ish fps…

[@mosel42]

I think you have to separate them into fur friendly and not fur friendly. 204, 223, 22-250, 22 dpc, or 22 arc. Non fur friendly, 22 creed, 6 creed, 243, and bigger. Since I own multiple of those calibers, my favorite is the 22 dpc (Thanks Desert Precision).

[@foonus406]

Tell that to the ammo manufacturers too, who have all but dropped anyting this is not extremely fragmenting for "awe factor" among new shooters. Very few fur friendly bullets left in .224

[@justice1327]

The 22-250 and the 22 Creed are almost identical in performance… Why would one be fur friendly, and the other, not providing the bullets are the same?

[@michaelshaw8370]

So many variables here. Terrain, range, do you have to trek in with the weapon. Are you intending to use or sell the pelt. Or just out to remove the varmits

[@billwell9266]

Thermal hunting I've only used ARs starting with 223, 243 for only a couple months because of weight, and now a 16" 6ARC which I love. Bolt gun for daylight I use a 243 but may try a 6 Creed.

[@justinalter4510]

I have shot everything you talked about and the 243 with a sierra 85 grain bthp game king is my hands down favorite

[@baitammo4652]

that is a great bullet

[@Preying_on_predators]

Running a 6 arc 58 gr Vmax and 223 53 gr Vmax. Love them. 243 win with 70 gr Nosler or 75 gr Vmax are deadly. 6 creed 75-87 gr Vmax

[@jakewhite4321]

coyotes are front leg drive. That’s why they elongate when running.

[@robertharper8709]

For an AR-15 platform, 6.5 grendel is the way to go with the 6 arc only losing because of availability, if 223 isn't doing it for you. I dont think 224 Valkyrie is any better at light and fast than a 223 with factory loads, so your only advantage is throwing +75gr match bullets alittle faster, and every forum that i have read comparing 224 Valkyrie and 6 arc has the same outcome of people sayings they have rebarreled their 224 to 6 Arc for a more versatile gun. The 6 arc doesn't have the availability of the grendel yet, even though 6mm is probably the best diameter for the case size to get a good combination of velocity and b.c. with a 90 to 110gr bullet. For the 6.5 grendel, Federal lists the 90gr tnt at 3000fps muzzle, or if you plan on +300 yard shots the 123gr edl match will deliver energy on target. Only problem with the grendel is the moderate velocities of the +120gr bullets means large drops especially +300 yards where drop distances may become greater than the height of the coyote you're shooting at, this is where the 6 arc would have a little advantage with a lighter and faster bullet but the same b.c.

[@frankgrillo8094]

Ok- my turn, the questions should be - distance - terrain- prximity to population- for instance in my yard out to 150 yds i grab a 22MAG or 17HMR ,SOMETIMES my 17HORNET. Out to 250 or so perhaps my 20" DMR AR, ,beyond 250 or on a dedicated YOTE hunt it's time for the 24" /22NOSLER AR. Several yrs ago i got hooked on assembling ARs for different tasks, hence the various calibers, the proper tool for every task😂 -

[@bsa526]

With the possibility of wind, and longer shots, the 243 is a great choice with the availability of the ammo.

[@erich44magnum]

243 and a 223 all situations covered…

[@slypperyfox]

I was gonna say .22 Magnum. My dad has taken two bobcats over the past 30 years with a .22 Mag revolver. They typically show up looking for a quick meal and my parents used to have a cluster of chickens - not bought but roamed the countryside - and all were taken before dusk before they roosted in nearby trees. Also, they had a pair of white kittens but one disappeared without notice and it was presumed by another bobcat.

[@justice1327]

22 Creed. When are you going to test before and after Cryo performance of your barrel?

[@VortexNation]

Thanks for the Reminder! Mark B

[@DodgeCwby99]

Oklahoma- I currently run a bolt and ar in 223 55gr vmax and 45gr JHP.. I don't care about fur , I damage more hide with my 223s than I ever did with my 243 58gr varmint X loads.. all in all.. where I hunt.. 243 would be top in coyote cartridge.. due to the vast ranges of properties I hunt.. but in the same breath.. I've hunted coyotes with a 300wm, if I could only have 1 cartridge.. 243 hands down , only reason I stopped using a 243 is bc I couldn't find the winchester varmint X 58gr factory loads anymore

[@danielback3236]

If a 223 is good enough and a 243 is the best at anchoring and longer distance. The 22-250 has to be perfect. I run 22-250 mostly, 243 for wintertime coats and longer distances. TSS #2 is pretty hard to beat in the shotgun.

[@E1337Jerk]

I think the 22 arc will take over as the goto for yotes and other vermin.

[@V58dripper]

It's gonna take a shit like the valkyrie

[@whiskerbiscuit99]

As long as it doesnt flunk like the valk and they can actually supply brass for the reloaders unlike 6 arc when it first launched.

[@joshuaoestreich1182]

Made me laugh right out of the gate! Time and money. Out till after 4am and eyeing thermal scopes that cost more than my boat (the wife just shakes her head). Interesting concept shooting a heavy bullet out of the .243 or 6arc, making 2 holes and not destroying the pelt. It flies in the face of my previous thought process. Previously, I have been a faster twist 22-250 and looking forward to trying the ELD-VTs. but if you are going to reload, might as well run a 250AI. Question then would be, 250AI or 22 creed. It would be an interesting comparison. 🤔 Either one would be a great "hold for hair" round.

[@dustinweaver3032]

At 100 yards or less 17hmr, 22 magnum, 17wsm Will do the job. Make sure you have a clean shot. 17wsm is more forgiving than any of the other rimfire cartridges. Anything over 100 yards 204 ruger or bigger, 22-250 is probably king. I still love my 204 its super flat shooting.

[@joshuahanna9812]

Would the heavier bullet/less devastation effect hold true with 308 if used in this manner? I know it’s a bit much for coyotes but if guys are running 6.5 Creed then why not?

[@catherinefarr3140]

G'day again Gents. I like the energy for the 6mm ARC. My 6.5 Grendel is great on pigs but affordable hunting projectiles are scarce. What are your thoughts on a middle ground 25 caliber Grendel or ARC? I ask because 25 cal hunting projectiles are plentiful here.

[@hepfarms9101]

I have 85gr Barnes TTSX loaded at 3450fps for my 243. Coyotes, deer and pigs...all bases covered for north Texas

[@jasonhurd1509]

Best cartridge for coyote for everything you guys talked about in the video- distance, gas gun, etc etc……….6.8spc and it still doubles as midrange deer/ hog and it also performs well on bobcat. I don’t live out west but from my experience with the cartridge on deer and hogs I would say it would work well for wolves and mountain lions at intermediate ranges as well. And I’ll add that even though I don’t own one nor have I ever shot one, 6.5 Grendel seems like it would be a good choice as well. I have had much better success with deer using the 6.8 over the 243. 6.8SPC over every caliber y’all mentioned for every purpose y’all discussed (caveat: bullet selection is key). Two years ago y’all performed a podcast speaking about the 6.8 spc. Interject this conversation into that one and redefine some enthusiasm for the 6.8 cartridge.

[@msb2948]

My 270 with 85 grain Sierras has worked for over 20 years on our ranch. What is even more fun is running a couple Stag hounds.

[@kevinkeller6569]

I just purchased a CVA Cascade camo bolt action chambered in 243. Leupold VX-3i scope 3.5x10x40. Using 55 grain Hornady Vmax. Imho, this is the best round for coyotes.

[@davidduffner4337]

Have to also think on sight picture after the trigger is pulled. And to tame this, sometimes weight is sacrificed. 22-250, 223, and so want to try the 22 arc

[@tommymorgan9926]

Just got a 6mm Creedmoor for long range target, coyotes, and deer. Bought Hornady 103 ELD-X to start with. No idea on what to use as far as bullets specifically for coyotes? I usually run into targets of opportunity while deer hunting.

[@foonus406]

With the destruction of our fur industry this topic has become moot. At todays prices you can't recover the cost of ammo or gas so you are doing it purely for land management. That said, I hand load for 22-250, 6.5, 270, and 300PRC. The 22-250 was originally purchased for coyotes, with a fur friendly load in mind. With no availability of large rifle primers to reload them and the fur idea eliminated, moved to the 6.5 creed with small rifle primer Lapua brass.. was able to secure 7000 of those primers. 6.5 doesn't use that much more powder than the 22-250 either. The past few years have seen our local area trappers also quitting - the result this year on our whitetail and game birds was noticeable, this year was the first that our neighbor had so many sheep lost to coyotes that she sold the ones that survived. They come at night and in Canada we aren't allowed to do anything about it when our idiotic law prohibits pest control at night.

[@user-hk5lk7yu5s]

that brass is hard to get your hands on

[@foonus406]

@@user-hk5lk7yu5s Yes they are, I suspect in part that a lot of folks are necking them down to .22 Creed as well.

[@user-hk5lk7yu5s]

i 0wn 3 model 700 rems all built in early 70s.absolute hole cutters from factory.to bad they dont make them that good anymore.@@foonus406

[@justbaggit70]

Here where im at its more common to call them in 100 yards or less. 223 AR works great. I love the 204 and 20 practical. Ive used 6cm and 6.5cm. Bad news close range. Rips them open and all required follow ups. 223 with 50gr pills drops them down hard.

[@calebkoehler259]

What about 204 ruger in AR 15 platform? Could build your own or go with the Wilson combat

[@austinsuter1990]

I love my 6ARC. The only thing is Hornady published two different sets of load data - one for bolt, one for gas. Might not matter for coyotes, but the performance is noticeably better out of a bolt gun.

[@Jbomb-ep4jr]

Muckenhirm is gold lol The 204 Ruger commentary had me lol

[@brackishbass]

This is s topic I've been interested in...

[@dalton12316]

Y'all took 300 prc off the table, I'm patiently waiting for the new Hornady eld-vt to be in stock so I can load some up 😂

[@paulnelson7384]

I look at one not mentioned here the 22 GT! A load with a 77 to 80 grain bullet a carbon fiber barrel looking at 3350 to 3400 fps in a lite weight barrel and stock, makes coyote gun elegance.

[@garrettdial9194]

22 Creed bolt day 6 ARC AR-15 thermal night

[@BirdDogey1]

I have a number of coyotes that live around my house. They are very used to me so frequently join me on my porch. Love those babies.

[@ronlowney4700]

🤠 I Live Out West and The 243 is Wildly Popular (In a Bolt Gun) With Ranchers (Some Do Like the 25-06 as Well) - To Have One Versatile Cartridge That Can Also Put Down Deer and Antelope! And, You Are Also Correct That The 6mm prc and 6.5 mm prc Are Very Useful For That Too! I Am Really Hoping That The 6mm prc Catches on More (I Think It Is Ideal For Coyotes), But the 6.5 Creedmore's Are Just Flying Off the Shelves Here and Seems To Be Able to "Check All the Boxes" For Most Hunters, As a "Do It All Cartridge"! 🤑

[@edwardabrams4972]

Give me the 270 win with a 110 grainer🙌👏👊

[@PassivePortfolios]

Here in the South, a lot of people use cheap .22 mag. bolt action rifles with JHP 40 grain bullets, plus a 4x or 3x9 scope. Virtually all shots are under 100 yards. Works on coyotes, racoons, foxes, bobcats, whatever. Some people poach deer and hogs with the same set up.

[@ronlowney4700]

🤷‍♂️ I'm in Montana, So That Won't Work Very Well! However, That 110 grain Bullet Out of the 270 Winchester at 3,500 ft/s Will! 🔥

[@ronlowney4700]

🤠 FROM GOPHERS TO GRIZZLIES" - and Everything In Between - My Grandfather Killed With His 270 Winchester! 🐻

[@ronlowney4700]

🤔 I Have a Duffel Bag Full of Ammunition and Several Clips Loaded With Different Weight Bullets For Different Game Animals! 🥳

[@mitchellbeyer5205]

So I've been using my 300 blackout any thoughts on this round for coyotes

[@TRoutdooradventures]

Im using my ruger m77 in 300 win mag with 150 grain soft point from federal. Works like a charm

[@rickyshultz2051]

Had one come in to the cabin at daybreak, 55 yards and three penned dogs going nuts, 25 yards from him , 22LR dropped in his tracks !

[@wyattengelhardt1982]

45-70

[@matthewdanko9719]

243 with Barnes 80 gr. TTSX is awesome for Coyotes and deer. Also .17 HMR works great 100 yards in or closer!

[@BryantYazzie]

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[@chasenwolford1922]

DJ Kool with Biz Markie & Doug E Fresh “Let me clear my throat”

[@OutsidetheEchochamber]

Let me clear my throat Not 4 Not 3 Not 2 Not 1 When I’m on the mic the suckers run Clearly the Beastie Boys

[@PureCountryof91]

DPMS G2 rifles are coming back. They're pretty light for an ar10. And they mentioned.243. im considering an upper for my sf308 as an option

[@jasonf5466]

30-06 with a 150gr nozzler ballistic tip is an effective coyote anchor. Only tried it once out of necessity because of the rifle I had with me