#10MinuteTalk

[@Tannerpope01]

I wait all year just for these cartridge talks! Can we get a 22 hornet talk?

[@jasonweishaupt1828]

My favorite night time hunting round!

[@DocOmaley98]

Yes!!!

[@chris_2413]

22 hornet needs more coverage

[@keithprinn720]

toy remember decades ago was a common fox pelt taker.

[@johnkeisterelquattro2553]

I second this!!! And to make it more awesomer even….. make it a dual talk, cover 22 Hornet and 218 Bee in the same talk!!!! 😁

[@joshkrebs1999]

Allow me to help Mark make a decision on which ARC to get. BUY A SUPPRESSOR FIRST!

[@B.P._]

Make sure it’s 338 bore too

[@scottparks95]

YES!!!!

[@lonecrapshooter6197]

Christmas day 2024, I killed an eight points buck with a .22 ARC and a 70 grains CX bullet. Neck shot facing me 192 yards, bang- flop, fell dead

[@leviball8345]

Mark deserves a golden microphone for that singing performance

[@andrewtisdale4186]

Okay, how do you guys manage to be psychic? I was just thinking yesterday that I would like to see a 22 arc 10 minute cartridge talk. I'm glad it's more than 10 minutes!

[@js7127]

Made me question what planet Mark was from when he asked if anybody had heard of the 6ppc, LOL!!! Must say hats off, that was a thorough talk, chock full of pertinent info.

[@scottparks95]

Thank you sir. Really appreciate the comment.

[@kylechristopherson4361]

I know I'm not the first to say this, but I love the 1 hour "10 minuet talk"

[@scottparks95]

Hehe, love it!

[@duckslayer11000]

Thank goodness someone finally mentioned the PPC when discussing the ARC family. The 6arc is an almost direct copy of the PPC, and nobody acknowledged it as if Hornady came up with it on their own.

[@jfess1911]

Not really. Two entirely different cartridges using similar cases. The 6mm PPC is specialized for 100 - 200 yard shooting with relatively light, flat-based bullets and has a much slower twist. It's CIP specs call for 1-in-12", but, in competition, as slow as 1-15" is often used. The 6 ARC was optimized for 600 - 1000 yard shooting with heavier bullets. It has a faster twist barrel and more freebore, allowing better stabilization of higher-BC bullets. The longer freebore also allows more of the bullet to project from the case, reducing encroachment on powder.

[@fam121el]

22ARC is essentially what the Russians wanted with the 5.45 IMO Love my 6ARC and excited for a 338ARC build next

[@sgtpickles1319]

Hoping Santa brings us a 300 Savage cartridge talk, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year guys.

[@mathewb1059]

👍

[@andrewtisdale4186]

If all you have is a 556 suppressor, then get a 22 arc bolt gun and take full advantage of the compact quiet package you can create.

[@jacobnoe5899]

I watched a Hornady video just a few days ago where they said the 22 arc was based off of the 6.5 Grendel.

[@andrewtisdale4186]

If you're neck down 6.5 Grendel it becomes the perfect overall length for 22 ARC without any trimming

[@joelriggs9153]

Uses the same headspace gauges too. 6arc is actually shorter and has it's own gauges

[@gpearce11]

I wish they'd mentioned it in the video, as it's the most obvious explanation for their conversation about 22 ARC being faster than 6 ARC. Of course it does. It's got a longer case and higher case capacity. That's normal.

[@gpearce11]

Another great cartridge talk. However, i have two glaring issues. The first is regarding your early points regarding velocity. The biggest design difference between the 22 ARC and 6 ARC (other than bullet diameter, obviously) is case length. 22 ARC is a necked down 6.5 Grendel, while 6 ARC has been trimmed down to accommodate high BC bullets without affecting COAL. So, 22 ARC should have higher velocity, as it uses a bigger case. Secondly, how did you manage to have a 55-minute conversation about 22 ARC-a intermediate .224 calibre AR15 compatible cartridge -and not once compared it to 224 Valkyrie, which is basically the exact same thing, only using a 6.8 SPC base instead of 6.5 Grendel?

[@jeffpracht3534]

I came to your channel to comment on the latest episode to ask for a breakdown of the differences between 22 arc and 224 Valkyrie and I stumbled upon a brand new video drop on the 22 arc. Let's see if you address this question I have pondering

[@20020x]

About 10 years ago I worked with a customer on necking down 6 Haggar brass to 22 for light bullets. 12 twist 22" bbl AR platform running a 60gr V-Max at an honest 3800 at mag length. 220 SG Howler (JGS). The 22 Thunderbolt and another were Highpower comp heavy bullet versions with a longer throat, this had a standard match 223 lead. I am going to have to build an upper in 22 ARC for coyote hunting I reckon. Thanks Again Guys

[@CliffFlynn]

I see your point about the 22 arc is, a 22-250 here in Kentucky 300 to 400 yard shots about the most you’ll get so I’ll stay with 22-250 but you make a good argument

[@andrewtisdale4186]

I get where you're coming from, I would like to get a fast twist 22-250 barrel myself but I get 3140 feet per second with a 70 grain TSX loaded with temperature stable powder in my 22 ARC. You have to admit 22 ARC gets pretty close to 22-250.

[@ngallakp62]

22 creedmoor

[@mosinw6697]

Ol Scott is full of cartridge wisdom.

[@coldandaloof7166]

I remember a gunwriters article about the super short Magnums when they come out comparing them to a C battery with a bullet stuck on top. This one reminds me of a CR123 battery with a bullet stuck on top lol.

[@kramerkid02]

Love seeing the 6ppc come full circle back to the 6ppc in a different font, which is now called the 6 arc. Neck it down, which for sure nobody had ever thought of for sure until hornady, and call it a 22 arc, and we have a new cartridge. You know what, hell ya.

[@vernonkuhns3561]

Happy Holidays?!?!?!? Baaaaah Humbug. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

[@timhalloran7910]

Every trip to the range, I bring home a good amount of free 556/223 brass for reloading for a 223 bolt rifle. I haven't seen any 22 arc brass laying around, yet 🤔

[@jeffdavis7616]

Because we all pick up our Brass to reload it. We take the boxes home too.

[@linkbond08]

And you won't find any for while.

[@mikemelina7395]

Maybe scrounge for 6.5Grendel brass and work with that.

[@js7127]

A buddy asked a guy at the range for an empty to put in his cartridge display. Answer was, it was a matched set so.....No.LOL!!

[@jeffdavis7616]

@@js7127 that's hilarious. 🤣😂🤣

[@jaydunbar7538]

Alpha brass is what Gavin at ultimate reloader used to push his 308 win to 105k psi to get 300 win mag performance out of a 308.

[@mikemolina8739]

Always good to see Scott on the podcast 👌

[@scottparks95]

Thank you Sir! Always good to be seen!

[@burkspat3009]

Merry Christmas!

[@biggs8729]

To answer your question, the Sierra 210, 220 and 230 all hit well above .550 G1. The 230 is a .800 G1.

[@jasonweishaupt1828]

Unitah Precision out of Utah makes a .22 ARC bolt action upper for you AR. 20” barrel, guaranteed 1” or better at 100yd.

[@jfess1911]

Although there are some cartridges that seem generally more accurate and easy to tune than others, I think that chamber design is a big part of that, especially the length of parallel freebore. Part of this is the constraint of fitting into an AR15 with a COAL of only 2.26". The freebore of the .22 ARC is 0.2245" diameter and 0.1314" long.... that is over half a caliber in length and more than 5 times longer than the 223 Rem. It is also much longer than the 0.09" run of freebore in the 6 ARC. To normalize, the section of parallel freebore of the 22 ARC is 59% of the bullet caliber vs only 37% for the 6 ARC. To give a little more perspective, the 6.5 Creedmoor, which is known to be fairly easy to load for, has 0.1992 inches of parallel freebore, or 75% of bullet caliber. The 6mm Creedmoor also has 75% freebore. The 6.5 PRC, 7 PRC and 300 PRC are also all have freebore with a length of over 70% the bullet dia. It is important to note that these long freebores are for use with long-for caliber, boat-tailed bullets. Shorter, and flatbase bullets seem to do fine with shorter sections of freebore. The PPC is optimized for those, with freebore often 0.060" long. I have read that a rule of thumb for the PPC is to jam a bullet and make certain that the base is less than halfway up the neck.

[@GeneralObeseus]

please talk about the 9.3x62!

[@charltonlwalker]

I’m 3/3 for deer this season with the 6 ARC. Howa will have 22 ARCs coming in 2025. Decisions.

[@colbyryder512]

Just built an ar in 22arc I’m so on board love it

[@linkbond08]

I'm more interested in 6.5 Grendel. the longest hunting shot I have here in SE Georgia is 350 yards on a recent clear cut by a creek.

[@superdave103harley]

Same results as my 6.5 Grendel with CFE 223 1/4 to 1/2 moa on ladder powder charge testing. I'm using a 20-inch Odin works Gas build and it is my go-to deer rifle now... In my testing my most accurate weapons are all AR-15 builds.

[@DanielReyes-hz1qk]

And I second the fact that Alpha brass can be run HARD. For safety reasons I'd never recommend it of course, but it's pretty awesome

[@andrewboore3899]

Awesome content, how about an episode on the 30-40 Krag? Merry Christmas!

[@rickschwertner282]

My 2025 Christmas wish is to be on this pod cast for next year. I can tell you guys are juiced on this one. I will agree with the cartridge inherent accuracy. My 204 Ruger was boringly simple to shoot dots during load development, if you subtract the pierced cci400s. Oops, rookie mistake. The 6.5 Grendel shoots everything into 3/4 moa. Nothing worse and almost nothing better.

[@exodusz19]

The question then becomes how long until other ammo manufacturers take up the ARC’s for production?

[@BcFuTw9jt]

HSM is loading 6mm ARC now

[@exodusz19]

@ wohoo! I’ll go look them up, thanks

[@AlexMackensen-x7j]

I believe AAC is considering 338 ARC in the future

[@exodusz19]

@@AlexMackensen-x7j just 338?

[@CactusLegzz]

Uggghhh…now I need another one. Very very cool. Missed the 6mm as I was already fully vested in my Grendels.

[@shanerhodes925]

This might be the only caliber that has come down the pipe in a while that I might actually think about trying.

[@halcyondiver]

Can we please get a cartridge talk on 358 Winchester or a lead balloon?

[@frontlinerejects8029]

7.5 Swiss let's go!!!

[@josephlopes4477]

Can we get a head to head 7PRC vs 300 wsm

[@fattigla]

I was wondering when we would see this. Its about time. Merry belatted Christmas!!

[@onebadjack1313]

Id like to see some of that data Steve has. I just put together a 22arc upper. I converted 6.5g starline brass but haven't loaded it yet. Awesome talk and very timely for me.

[@mrthebeaudry]

Great video, any chance of a 9.3x62/9.3x74r video?

[@karencarroll2571]

Ryan...just get another Howa! 22ARC soon

[@skeet330]

been waiting for this

[@Tommy1198S]

Depends on what you want to do with the round you are shooting.

[@JosephHaynes-s1o]

I am a Grendel guy, but this 22 ARC is starting to make me think about another barrel. btw ten minutes seems to be like an hour 😂

[@mfallen2023]

Does Hornady own Vortex/share a parent owner? Seems like the only time I see this channel pop-up anymore is when there's a vid of Vortex slobbering all over Hornady's "genius" like an OF "model"

[@806Guns]

64 TGK that Sierra doesn't like to make is a coyote anchor in the 22 Grend/ARC

[@bobpena1490]

6mm arc is nice in gas gun .i found out you need to krimp case to hold bullet ..

[@garageliving3658]

I've found the same. Other thing that works, but I don't like it as much, is using a smaller bushing die to increase neck tension

[@bobpena1490]

Yup did that too..They say alpha ocd brass holds bullets better than starline and hornady brass ..

[@John_Redcorn_]

@@garageliving3658just chuck your stem and expander in a drill, take some 120-180ish sandpaper and polish off a few thou. Finish up with some steel wool to get it really polished and shiny. Obviously if you already have the neck bushings then no need, but this option is free and can be done with a standard die. I had to do this with my hornady 22 arc die, as it was only giving me about 1 thou of tension.

[@smallgameslam1755]

Big Sixy! Start printing the shirts!

[@scottparks95]

I'm really going to regret making that comment, lol

[@johnkeisterelquattro2553]

All you need is some Big Sixy & Spotted Cow and you’ve got a great afternoon at the range!!! 😂

[@Gamer-dq8kr]

I've been wanting this thank you

[@peterreily1490]

22ARC isn’t legal to take medium sized game in my state. 6ARC is legal to take medium size game in my state. Which is weird because even up and over to the mountains shots on eastern white tail are still 120 yards max. But clearly some dipshits were plinking deer with 22 something not humanely killing them and the state said .230 or larger. That being said, my cousins land in the Shenandoah I’m using an 18” 6.5 grendel gas gun 416R SS because I really don’t care if I replace the barrel after 3k rounds or so but I want that accuracy. I also use 129gr SST loaded by Alexander arms (Grendel’s creator at radioed VA armory) and it’s a plunk and dunk in the dirt. I go with the heaviest because even if I take a clear shot across a valley meadow 250 yards I know I’m on point. But most shots are pine forest 60-100 yards. The heavier 129 SST will break shoulders and wreck lungs/heart. The 129 plows through and opens up. Just like it does in hogs back home in Florida. (Im VA born south FL raised) I don’t need a what 108gr 6ARC to make a 460 yard shot or 300 yard shot. 123 SST longer range like where my buddies out west but 129 SST (I prefer Alexander arms loadings I don’t know why but I like them better than hornadys and it’s hornadys bullet) is perfect for hogs in south Florida and eastern white tail in the mid Atlantic/eastern mountains.

[@mfallen2023]

I kind of get why they do it. You'd end up with 75IQ individuals lobbing Tula 5.56 fmj at big game if they didn't have these restrictions. Or people not knowing the difference between canterfire and rimfire, thinking it's legal to use a 10-22 loaded with Thunderbolt for elk, lol. Honestly, projectile construction would be a more productive "floor", but that would require law makers to understand guns, projectiles, ballistics, hunting, etc and that's a pipe-dream. A .224 TTSX impacting at 1800fps+ is plenty sufficient for medium game like whitetail, even big body, corn-fed midwest whitetail with proper shot placement. But we aren't governed by logic, but emotion and outdated "truths"

[@jnichols959]

They're saying the 22 ARC bullets are all higher BC than an equivalent 6mm ARC. The first three I looked at - ELD-X, CX and ELD Match - are higher in 6 ARC than 22. ELD-X: .224 80gr G1 .485 vs 6mm 103gr G1 .512. CX: .224 70gr .392 vs 6mm 90gr .418. ELD Match: .224 88gr G1 .545 vs. 6mm 109gr G1 .585. What am I missing? I guess it makes sense you could get higher velocity in 22 ARC since it seems to have higher case capacity and lighter bullets, but this BC advantage - I don't see it.

[@PatriotPaulUSA]

Unless your a varmint/coyote hunter I would think the 6mm ARC is going to fill so many more roles and be legal for more game. It would have more ft lbs energy and a very slippery bullet and many brand and weights to pick from which is usually more economical. If all your hunting is varmints and coyotes and target shooting maybe a 22ARC is your caliber. I would still use 6 ARC for all those and be able to shoot up to deer sized game personally. Its is cool to see how accurate it is for target shooters however in 22ARC.

[@RouteRider-i5t]

It appears that a innovation has been discovered in the cartridge performance industry. The short wide case - more propellant - with a long high B.C. projectile, like all the PRC's .They consistently result in improved performance compared to previous bottleneck design . It is difficult to improve on near perfection, but it is not impossible.

[@mikemelina7395]

Seems that way. The Grendel though preceded the PRC cartridges by almost a decade, the Grendel being the parent cartridge of the ARCs.

[@RouteRider-i5t]

@@mikemelina7395 Yes , there will always be improvement. and that's welcome. Things to consider with anything new ; availability, re-load component availability and cost. Plus is the increase in performance worth it for your application. If I was to consider a new rifle - I wouldn't take anything off the table.

[@MrJtin69]

338 arc would be amazing !!!

[@lucasvaughn629]

As a lead balloon

[@msquared9605]

@@lucasvaughn629that’s what I’m thinking. But I think hornady’s marketing won’t let that happen. I don’t agree with everything Kevin Brittingham does and says.. but he hit the nail on the head when he said he sees the 338arc as a toy gun (and more than acceptable for that use case) but it really has no real world performance to speak highly of

[@AlexMackensen-x7j]

Deer within 150 yards, I like the idea of 338 Arc Subsonic! A lot.

[@LeakyJoosbox]

Im planning on building a 6 arc in 2025 for coyotes and maybe deer/antelope if I feel like it. For coyotes I'm definitely using the 80 gr vt match they got for it because its got the velocity for flat shooting on the dogs and the ballistics with 3000 fps(box velocity) it will do good at range. Would probably run the 103 eldx if i decide to hunt deer or antelope though. Cool cartridges, the 6 arc just seems to fit what i want better. 308 capabilities in a low recoil small frame gasser

[@leviball8345]

Got a question for Ryan. I am a fan of the Barnes TTSX and the Sierra TGK for performance. I do reload, but on my new 7MM PRC Build I am running the Federal 170gr Terminal Ascent. What is your opinion on this bullet performance in comparison to the TTSX and TGK?

[@mr.mr.3301]

Somebody make a 7 mm Grendel please. As far as I know, there are no 7 mm in the AR 15 platform. You can call it a 7 mm arc

[@Laluna2345]

My guy 7mm08

[@Laluna2345]

Actually, i guess that's an ar10 nvm i think you're right

[@John_Redcorn_]

I dont think youll have enough case volume to push heavy 7mm bullets. I would surmise 6/6.5 being about the point of diminishing return.

[@mr.mr.3301]

@@John_Redcorn_ I’ve wondered that as well. But it would have more case capacity than a 300bo. If you dont know, go look at the 30 Remington ar. It flopped but super cool.

[@DanielReyes-hz1qk]

I have a 23 inch barrelled 6.5 Grendel gas gun and a 20 inch barrelled 223 bolt gun I use for varmint and predator hunting. SUPER interested in a 20 inch barrelled 22 ARC gas gun and maybe even an lightweight bolt gun since I have an action with a spare bolt in the appropriate bolt face for it

[@robertbroxson4582]

I may have missed it but will be see the 6.5BC at shot show?😉

[@jason91notch]

22 arc is pretty phenomenal.

[@andrewtisdale4186]

It certainly punches above its weight class for sure!

[@JAKesler]

I love they are expanding the ARC line, but I think I'd still stick to the 6 ARC for a do everything well kind of gun. The 22 seems great but a little more restrictive in purpose. And for a funds limited builder that appeals more to me. Also expansion diameter is important 🤷‍♂️

[@terrydoyle1765]

What's the most efficient cartridge in each caliber? For 7mm, I think it's the SAUM. It would have the most energy at 500 yards per grain of powder.

[@jnichols959]

What 22 ARC does Geissele make? He's talking about Geissele having their 22 ARC gas system dialed in. And the groups he's talking about - how many shots in each group?

[@danielstclair8402]

I am by no means a creedmore fan (due to over hype) and I own a 6ARC, huge fan! But it makes no sense to go with a 22ARC with a bolt gun when the 22 creedmore is available.

[@andrewtisdale4186]

I am strongly considering getting a 22 creedmoor barrel myself. I wouldn't say that 22 Arc makes no sense. When it comes to efficiency, 22 arc beats out the creedmoor all day long. I get 90 plus percent of the way to a 22 creedmoor using 70 to 75% of the powder shooting my 22 Arc 16-in barrel bolt gun. 3140 feet per second with a 70 grain TSX with a temperature stable powder. That's close enough to a 22 creedmoor for me.

[@taylorcleblanc]

It still makes plenty of sense...

[@compted10]

The CMMG ANVIL needs to make a return, until then the ARC in a gas gun is a no for me.

[@Evan-t1b]

Love me some vortex

[@peterreily1490]

6.5 birthed greatness because it itself, is greatness. Not sure about pouring needmore on anything. Unless you needing more somehow makes it better. Better at needing more.

[@peterreily1490]

6.5 grendel.

[@barryw5911]

I really enjoy these 10 min Talks, but I'd like to make a suggestion : Could Mark remove his hat? and Jim and Mark move their mics to their LHS and Ryan move his to the RHS. Would make it better for viewers! Just my idea. Cheers Guys.

[@fishingwithgunns9490]

Nice video! I tried listening to the podcast and the audio was dreadful, unsure why. One guys was loud the other was super low. Maybe the missed turned up? Sounds good here though… 🤷🏻

[@keithprinn720]

apart from an AR15 option why would this be a better option? varmint or stretched out to whitetails/antelope like the creed? so much to like about 222 and 22/250 for varmints.

[@BcFuTw9jt]

The ARC handles the heavy for caliber bullets a lot better than the 22-250 even with a faster twist.

[@vikingsoftpaw]

Why does the gun industry seem to skip over the .25 calibers? .25 Creed. .25 ARC.

[@Back_Lash]

So a commercialized 22 DPC (Grendel necked to .224)

[@DarrenArmstrong-q6z]

Pretty close. The 22 Grendel has been a wildcat for years: 224 predator, 22bgw, 22grendel….etc. the 22Dpc is a 6arc necked down to 22. The shoulders are slightly further back on the 22dpc vs 22arc. The 22arc is a commercialized, standardized and saami approved 22 Grendel. It’s now available to purchase off the shelf instead of through custom orders.

[@DanielReyes-hz1qk]

Please don't neck down your 6.5 Grendel brass! If it's Lapua sell it to me and buy yourself the correct 6 ARC/22 ARC brass. I've been shooting 6.5 Grendel close to 15 years now and most bolt breakages I've seen are people running loads WAY too hot, and/or poor gas system timing/tuning. I always get a new bolt with a new barrel and typically get around 3k rounds with my slower match loads or down under 2500 if shooting lighter/faster varmint loads

[@Tess_untamed]

Merry Christmas and happy new year to you all.

[@BigRob345]

Maybe 2025 is the year for 6BR cartridge talk.

[@ohmbre300]

Mark needs to get the three upers for the gas gun! so then he's got the whole arcing family.

[@flattenedprimer-hz6vw]

Merry Christmas.

[@jasonnichols2462]

The ELD VT 62 gr gives the arc the edge over the Valkyrie for coyote hunting and needing less drop out to 400 yards. I have heard that loading that same projectile in the Valkyrie then the Valkyrie out shines the 22 arc. Is this true or has anyone tested this theory?

[@SilenceDoGood4th]

How about a 7arc? I want 140 grains

[@Jeffreyperez-rp6ow]

If , the more you look at it, the more you like it. Then just wait till you get a good look at the .358win during THAT episode !! jmp

[@aquaman6081]

I wish 8208 still existed

[@JayJay3Fifty7]

There is .1 gr H2O capacity between ARC and Valkyrie. Valkyrie got a bad start, but I see no difference, should have talked about that.

[@jasonweishaupt1828]

.22 centerfire, not legal for deer in Virginia. You need the 6 mike mike.

[@Gamer-dq8kr]

I do have a question if 556 is an over pressure 223 and 308 is an over presser 762.x51 why dose 762.51 seem weaker cause it's 308 but you cant shoot 308 in 762.51

[@msquared9605]

What exactly are you asking? Because you answered your own question, 308 has higher pressure than 7.62x51

[@John_Redcorn_]

308 has slightly more case volume than 7.62nato brass because nato brass is thicker. And you can absolutely shoot 308 in 7.62 nato chambers. Dont believe anyone that says otherwise.

[@msquared9605]

@@John_Redcorn_ you absolutely CAN shoot 308 in a 7.62 chamber. But you’re absolutley a fool if you do it on a long term basis. Don’t shoot ammo out of a gun that’s not rated for that ammo

[@John_Redcorn_]

@@msquared9605 lol. Ok. Ive only been doing it and handloading it for years upon years. Its the same with the old 223 and 5.56 fudd nonsense. Your gun isnt going to blow up. If your gun is going to blow with one of those, then its not safe to fire the other one either. Its like telling a handloader if you go over book data your gun will explode. Lol. Its all about knowing and watching the pressure signs.

[@msquared9605]

@ never said anything about making the gun blowup. Still, using x pressure ammo in a y pressure chamber is unwise. Even if all it results in is less barrel life

[@dthayer1045]

Oh..... I didn't see ya there 😂😂😂

[@taylorcleblanc]

The ole energy on target comment got snuck in. It means nothing outside of bullet expansion.

[@michaelmason7591]

I think he called the prototype the .22 Coyote.

[@joebob4609]

22-250 laughs at the question on the title. Hahah

[@Jankapotamus1]

Debatable. .22-250 has 10-15% more velocity, arc can safely run bullets that are 20% heavier with a higher bc. You can re-barrel a .22-250 to a 1:7 twist to stabilize those projectiles too, but you’re running at their upper limits at .22-250 velocities, and are likely to see some bullets spinning themselves apart. Neither one is a bad choice, it’s just a matter of if you want the velocity or the payload

[@joebob4609]

Audio is off on this one for some reason. Breath is louder than the talking.

[@northernoutdooradventures3883]

Isn't this just a 22ppc? I mean, talk about going full circle.

[@justahologram2230]

Yep, just like they did with the 6mm ARC

[@DarrenArmstrong-q6z]

Pretty close, it’s basically a standardized 22ppc for heavy bullets.

[@mikemelina7395]

Bill Alexander must be shaking his head in disgust. All the ARC cartridges are based off his Grendel cartridge and he gets zero credit or royalties from Hornady. Yes, he based his work off the Russian 220 cartridge, but all this started with the 6.5Grendel.

[@leelee7249]

If your running vmax loads of any weight You might as well keep the 6 arc .. no need for the 22 arc in hunting.

[@travislangholz1026]

22 cal bullets are typically cheaper, and in more supply. There’s 2 reasons 😊

[@BcFuTw9jt]

Yup $2 difference between 58gr 6mm v-max and 55gr .224 v-max for 100 count from Midway

[@garypage2994]

Happy holidays WTF!! Grow a pair and stand tall!! Was going to watch but stuff the PC crap!

[@Jremr]

Ar gas vs AR bolt 6arc

[@RumblestripDotNet]

Sorry but I don't see a 22 ARC rifle or barrel offered by Geissele

[@scottparks95]

Yeah, we may have talked about it a little early. They are coming though.

[@timtruelove7214]

.224 bullets are cheaper to reload on average